Has there been a company that has fallen so far from grace that

There is literally nothing wrong with Blizzard.

Valve.

>>389314624
>Now they're a company that has conformed the status quo and inserts microtransactions into each of their main games
Blame the people who buy all the dlc crap and demand dlc's even when games are not even out or finished.
It's your fault, kid.

>>389314624
Bioware.
Squaresoft

Anon you are talking some nonsense. Blizzard makes all the money. Ever since World of Warcraft launched they have done nothing but win and print mad cash.

>>389314859
His post was like three sentences, was it really that hard for you to read before posting?

>Went from being the king of rts titles

to

>King of MMOs, King of RTS, King of MOBAs, king of Class based shooters

Yeah man what a fall from grace.throw your le ebin blizz hate memes at me now

>>389315003
>King of MMOs, King of MOBAs, king of Class based shooters
So pretty much a kingdom made of shit?

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>>389315003
>King of MOBAs

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>>389314624

Prove me wrong

>>389314692
>>389315003
>Then: Warcraft I-III, Starcraft/Brood War, Diablo/II
>Now: World of Warcraft Expansion 15, Diablo 3/Reaper of Feces (even the console port had better), P2Wstone, Hero MOBA Clone 2015, Hero Shooter 2016
Kill yourselves.

>>389315003
>King of mobas
????

>>389314624

Nah fuck off. Blizzard is doing fine. The one you're thinking of is valve. At least Blizzard still makes video games.

>>389315473
>One loot box has been deposited to your Battle.net account for immediate use in your favorite Blizzard title!

>>389314624
>There is not a single one of their franchises left that they haven't ruined yet.
The problem is that their games are still well polished turds so there are plenty of drones that unironically enjoy the garbage they are shitting out nowadays.

>>389315003
>King of MMOs,
A dying king.

>King of RTS,
King of a barren land.

>King of MOBAs,
They're nothing compared to the actually huge mobas.

>king of Class based shooters
Couldn't even motivate Valve to update TF2.

>>389315523
>lootboxes
>not Activision Fun Credits™
They sure are cheaping out now.

>>389315857
The first three points are valid but if you seriously can't accept that Overwatch was a huge success then I don't even have words for your level of deslusion

>>389316115
If it's such a success, why can't they say how many players it actually has? Why did it need to be given out for free in Mexico?

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>>389314624
>Has there been a company that has fallen so far from grace that they're nothing but a shadow of their former selves?

V A L V E
A
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>>389315250
Lol

These threads always crack me up. Blizzard realized early on in WoW that the hardcore audience was too small and too fickle to cater to. They're right where they want to be now, catering to the casual masses who will without thought throw $100 at loot crates and will do nothing but play only Blizzard games.

>>389316454
Keep in mind they're not "Blizzard" anymore, they're Activision-Blizzard. Old Blizz is as dead as it gets.

>>389316226
>If it's such a success, why can't they say how many players it actually has?
They do
>Why did it need to be given out for free in Mexico?
It wasn't

>>389316556
>Activision
This is why Bioware went to shit. So I will consider this to be why Blizzard aimed at the lowest common denominator too.

>>389316338
a-any day now...

>>389316819
>They do
No, they say how many "accounts" or "sales" or whatever they have, not how many players it has. They don't give out real player counts because it helped fuck over SC2.

>It wasn't
Look it up. It was free with cheap office supplies. That's not a promotion that makes sense outside of desperately boosting numbers.

>>389314624
>blizzard thread
Funny i was just about to start playing sc2 multiplayer after 7 years. Anyone here still playing?

>>389317034
No game gives out a constant report of playercount anymore.

>Look it up. It was free with cheap office supplies. That's not a promotion that makes sense outside of desperately boosting numbers.
Promotions exist to make money. Look it up.
>outside of desperately boosting numbers.
But you just said they aren't posting the numbers, why would they want to boost non-profit numbers they aren't showcasing?
Retard.

I don't understand why it's this hard to accept that a popular game you don't like is popular.
I don't like Overwatch either, but I can clearly see it's the new LoL. Blizz struck gold with it.

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Raven Software doesn't get any respect even when they do things right.

>>389317179
yea dude sent u an invite

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>>389317282
>No game gives out a constant report of playercount anymore.
you what?

>>389316338
This one hurts because of how great Valve used to be...

and you can't even blame them. There is literally ZERO reason for them to make Half-Life 3, or any other game, when Steam (and microtransactions in Dota2 and CSGO) are printing money. It sucks that we don't have the Valve that we used to know and love anymore, but it makes sense why they just aren't making new games anymore

>>389317282
>No game gives out a constant report of playercount anymore.
Literally anything on Steam.

>But you just said they aren't posting the numbers, why would they want to boost non-profit numbers they aren't showcasing?
They don't give out active player counts, they give out total "accounts" and other statistics that never decrease. Giving away a million copies means they can say they have "a million more accounts" even if 0 of them are active players. Is this really so hard to understand?

>>389317589
Still waiting for a legitimate argument as to why Overwatch isn't popular and a success.
Hiding low numbers aren't the only reason a company would want to not publish player counts and "wahh they had a promotion!!" is not an argument.

>>389317505
>There is literally ZERO reason for them to make Half-Life 3, or any other game, when Steam (and microtransactions in Dota2 and CSGO) are printing money.
That's even more reason to take risks and try out new ventures. What is their development team even doing?

>>389317505
Valve didn't bother actively making HL3 because they wrote themselves into a hole they couldn't get out of. Did you read the leaked script? My god it was awful, and good luck trying to explain the Gman in a way that doesn't suck ass. That's why they stuck to Steam while making games like Left 4 Dead and Portal, as well as CSGO. Valve is known for taking their time in regards to making vidya, or was at least.

>>389317709
>thinks games don't give out player counts
>calls others retards due to own poor reading comprehension
Sorry, you're too much of a joke to argue with.

>>389317890
>Sorry, you're too much of a joke to argue with.
Concession accepted
Feel free to return with an actual argument any time you're ready

>>389314624
Bioware, Ea, Valve.

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>>389317954
>throws a tantrum
>other guy walks away trying not to make eye contact
>"heh, sure showed him"
that was embarrassing to watch

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>>389317850
What kind of game you want senpai?
>Uhh give me one that's all the rage that the kids love, and something different from what we already offer.
Hearthstone? Say no more.

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>>389318124
>guy makes stupid blind claim
>doesn't actually back it up with anything and refuses to do so when asked
>thinks he's in the right
that was embarrassing to watch

>>389317865
>Valve didn't bother actively making HL3 because they wrote themselves into a hole they couldn't get out of.
I don't think so. I think what happened is that, in typical Valve fashion, they ended up having to make several delays to get the game up to their standards. After one too many delays, they probably realized that too much time had passed and it wasn't worth just doing another episode anymore (remember, the stated reason for the episodes in the first place was to have shorter campaigns that released and more frequent intervals). They probably worked on it for about 4-5 years after Episode 2 and then scrapped it when they couldn't get it out by then. Of course, that didn't stop people talking about it, and I think people assume that Valve worked on it for a lot longer than they really did.

>Did you read the leaked script? My god it was awful,
I actually thought it was pretty good. I enjoyed it and it sounds like it would have been a blast to play.

>and good luck trying to explain the Gman in a way that doesn't suck ass
This is, however, my one complaint with the script; it still did nothing to explain who Gman is or what he's trying to accomplish. This shit has been a mystery since 1998, and it's getting old as HL1, HL2, and the Episodes have told us almost nothing about this guy. I think you're right, however, in that there's almost no way to explain Gman at this point in a way that doesn't suck. This is probably why they're just going to keep avoiding having to provide an explanation.

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>>389314624
post yfw you've never spent even a single penny on blizzshit

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>>389314624
>acquired by Activision
>create Starcraft 2
>fail
>create Diablo 3
>fail
>continue to fuck up warcraft until you don't even bother reporting subscriber numbers
>card game miniproject starts shitting money
>realize microtransactions make a lot of money
>redesign your Titan project to be a hyper watered down fps/moba bastard
>create an actual moba, fucking hilarious it's so bad
>overwatch is slowly dying as players drop the game because even meta is worse and you can't balance worth shit
>valve announces they are making a card game
>xiv starting to catch up
It's fucking hilarious

>>389317954
You know what, I'll throw you a bone. You want to pull burden of proof shit? You first. Prove Overwatch has more players playing right now than TF2. Not more Twitch viewers, not more accounts. More players in game. Obviously a "huge success" made by the "king of shooters" would easily surpass a tired old title with no updates.

>>389318596
While I commend you for not giving money to nu-Blizzard, you basically just outed yourself as a babby who only started gaming after Blizzard already went to shit.

>>389318862
>he doesn't know the easy serial for sc1

>>389318840
>You want to pull burden of proof shit? You first.
Nope, that's not how it works.
You're the one who made the claim. Prove it.

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>>389318739
It's not just balance, they can't even do a fucking matchmaking algorithm

>>389318739
They weren't acquired by Activision you idiot, they were merged by both company's owner, Vivendi. Activision can't actually make Blizzard do anything.

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>>389318862
>not giving a developer your money means you never played their games
anon...

>>389319016
My only claim was that they didn't even make Valve bother doing more updates. You are the one who said I didn't think it was a success. You claimed it was a huge success and that Blizzard is "king of Class based shooters", now prove it.

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>>389319016

>>389318739
>xiv starting to catch up
What? There's like 500,000 in that game and no way for it to increase by an exponent because the game is stagnant as fuck. Warcraft at least tries to nurture its playerbase and mix things up. I'd say even Korean games have more players just by virtue of not having a subscription fee in fucking 2017.

>>389319330
>My only claim was that they didn't even make Valve bother doing more updates.
Which directly implies the game isn't popular or relevant.
But if specifically that is your claim, then back it up. Prove the correlation.

>You claimed it was a huge success and that Blizzard is "king of Class based shooters"
Wasn't me. I came in at >>389316115

>>389315857
MMO's are dying too. Blizzard owns both genres at this point for better or worse.

The only big competing MMO is FFXIV and random Korean F2P shit. I can't even comment about how successful FFXIV is because I get the feeling the game's initial failure cost Square a painful amount that they may only recently have recouped.

>>389319520
NA has hit 400,000 for xiv which is half of WoW's playerbase

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>>389314624
Would it be hard in america to lobby for a law that says if a game companies senior staff that has made x critically acclaimed titles in the past, and have said staff leave the company, they are forced to undergo a name change?
Those people made the games, they WERE the company. The new people don't deserve to use that name. They have to earn the new one.

>>389319595
Quit dodging the question. Can you prove it has more players online right now than TF2? If it's "popular", surely it would have more players than an old game that isn't as "popular".

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>>389314624

>>389314624
If by falling from grave you mean developing the most successful games in the history of mankind, probably not

>>389319808
You couldn't get that to happen. Who would back that bill? Big companies want to keep their branding, they have money, they'd lobby to shut that down.

>>389319808
The people leading the company have been there forever, it's not like some random 3 year veterans are running this shit, christ you people are retarded.

>>389314624
Blizzard is a great example of "too big to fail."

They made so much money off of WoW that it really doesn't even matter how bad they fuck up anymore. So what they've done is decided to alienate everyone without a loose wallet from their core audience. They don't want any of us playing their games and then going around giving them bad press because they've done a shit job or this or that. They'd rather have casual idiot fanboys who just swallow anything they shit out with glee. Sure it's not as profitable as trying to appeal to EVERY audience, but they don't give a fuck because WoW prints money.

>>389314624
They're the most tame fall from grace I've ever seen. Even if their games aren't as good as they used to be, they aren't controversial and their games are fine.

I seriously don't see what drives people to hate them so much other than changes in business strategies, which is what has happened with everyone.

>>389315350
>Thinking Hearthstone is P2W
I too believe in a literal bullshit attempt at an argument.

>>389319816
>Can you prove it has more players online right now than TF2?
I never claimed this.

>Couldn't even motivate Valve to update TF2.
You claimed this, and you're sitting here refusing to back it up and desperately trying to deflect away from it.

>Quit dodging the question.
The irony.

>>389314624
Valve.

*cough*artifact*cough*

>>389314624
every company that was bought by EA

>>389320027
I figured as much. It needs to be some community effort to highlight exactly who made so and so game, and if they are still at the company or not.
It feels too vague when they leave, it doesnt seem to make that big of a deal initally but subsequent games obviously suffer tremendously
>>389320119
this isn't japan, game companies in the west have a much higher turnover rate brah

>>389320168
>They made so much money off of WoW that it really doesn't even matter how bad they fuck up anymore.
I wonder how many people just left auto-renew on. I have family still paying for AOL.

>>389320261
You claimed it's popular, prove it. Quit dodging the question and admit that you can't. There's no shame in it, you're anonymous, you can run away after.

>>389319735
Neither of these games have released their subscriber count though. The most we can observe is their census.

>>389318739
This. Activision-Blizzard is slowly becoming the new EA.

>>389319735
Based on what?

>>389314624
Talk about being overdramatic


What about some other similarly medium-big companies who made games they like to being bought out to make apps and shovelware then shutdown at the first sign of bleeding money

>>389320401
>You claimed it's popular, prove it.
In response to you claiming it wasn't.
You made the first claim between the two of us, you have to back it up or you're just blindly spouting bullshit. This isn't that fucking complicated.

Valve, easily

>>389320503
My weeb asshole.

>>389318739
>xiv starting to catch up
Really?
Does slow and steady truly win the race?

Blizzard didn't fall from grace, gamers did. Put the blame as much as you want on the company but in the end companies give players what they ask for.

>>389320529
Go read up on "burden of proof". It's not a magic "i can say anything i want now" button, you claimed it was popular, not "you don't know it isn't" (which would not require anything else).

But seriously, if you think it's popular, why don't you get those numbers? Can you at least prove it has more players than Battleborn?

>>389320589
The game sucks and is never going to change, so likely not.

>>389318739
what is this picture trying to say

>>389320872
It's saying blizz is lazy and is devaluing things.

>>389320667
>When you drop your morals for money, its everyone else fault
>When you raise bad children, its everyone elses fault
shitpost/10 I would like to think you were an upset Blizzard shill but we both know they live in their own little bubble.

>>389320750
>Go read up on "burden of proof". It's not a magic "i can say anything i want now" button, you claimed it was popular, not "you don't know it isn't" (which would not require anything else).
Burden of proof is on the person who makes the initial claim. That's you. You said a thing, I called you an idiot and told you to back yourself up, and you're refusing to.
You're approaching "I know you are but what am I!!" levels here

>>389320589
I think its more that its the lesser of two evils, its not great, infact I quit after during most of Stormbloods early content but its better than WoW for the most part just by virtue that isn't shit. (Anyone burnt by WoD etc is going to see the difference in quality)

>>389314624
bioware?

at least blizzard's games are still fun. what kind of shitty bait thread is this anyway

>>389320976
It applies to any claim, not only initial ones. By that logic, you could say "oh you said it wasn't popular, well i say it's the best selling game of all time forever" and expect to not have to back that up. Now, why can't you prove it's more popular than TF2 (which isn't all that popular) again?

>>389315003
You mean
>went from actual games
to
>braindead bullshit that any fucking four year old retard could play competently, characters that literally only take holding down LMB to win 1v3 and shit

Garbage that appeals to shit that has no business playing games in the first place. That's a fall from grace. Good thing humans aren't immortal and all of these pieces of shit will be gone some day.

>>389321338
>characters that literally only take holding down LMB to win 1v3
Did you rebind ultimates to LMB?

Reminder that Blizzard is spending less on games development as their profits skyrocket.

No one falls from grace by selling out. Blizzard was bound to become bigger anyway

>>389321449
They already are trying to make bnet into Activision Steam.

The worst part about Blizzard is the way they give constant free updates to Overwatch with new characters, maps, and skins without charging anything for them.

>>389321316
>It applies to any claim, not only initial ones.
I'm not claiming anything, I'm telling you that your claim isn't valid because you aren't actually backing it up with anything.

>By that logic, you could say "oh you said it wasn't popular, well i say it's the best selling game of all time forever"
No, because that's a separate individual claim of its own.

You're an idiot. If you can't prove to me that Overwatch being dead and irrelevant is the reason TF2 doesn't get updates, the thing you claimed that I called you out on, you're just pulling nonsense out of your ass and nobody has any reason to listen to you or debate with you.

You said a thing, you provided zero evidence for it, and until you do it's invalid and meaningless. That's all there is to this.

>company gets big
>wants to make max money
Wow story of every game company that gets big, get over it

>>389321705
You sure seem frustrated. Could that be related to your inability to prove OW has more players than TF2? You can just admit you have no idea. It's okay, again, you're anonymous, you can blend back into the shadows after admitting it.

>>389321950
>Could that be related to your inability to prove OW has more players than TF2?
I don't have to, because I never said this.
Stuff all the words you want in my mouth, it won't change the fact that you claimed something and can't actually prove it.

>You can just admit you have no idea. It's okay, again, you're anonymous, you can blend back into the shadows after admitting it.
Take your own advice.

>>389320298
What the fuck does the turnover rate, that you don't know what is, matter here? You can go look up the people who run the company, you can see how long they've been there. Are you actually an idiot? I was just insulting you before, but now I'm wondering if you actually are LD.

>>389322029
So, a "popular" game can have more players than a non-"popular" game? What does popular mean then? Does that mean you didn't really claim it's "popular", you just don't really mean anything and start arguments online for some reason?

You could shut me up entirely by just showing how OW has more players online right now than TF2. I even said you could use Battleborn instead. But somehow that isn't happening. Wonder why that is.

>>389322380
You're the only one talking about popularity. You're deflecting with unrelated bullshit that nobody brought up but you.
>Couldn't even motivate Valve to update TF2.
You made a claim, prove it or your claim has no merit. It's as simple as that.
I'll be waiting, any time you're ready.

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>no one realizing that all fresh, fun concepts always come from the work of lone, passionate developers and never multinational corporate investment holders, the thread
Yawn... this again. Nothing of value was lost.

My guild boosts mythic NH and people buy 4 million gold worth of wow tokens for the gul'dan mount, my guild master has dropped several thousand euros on HotS and HS, sure they are creatively bankrupt but they know how to make money.

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Blizzard's quality may have gone to the shitter (mostly due to executive meddling). But i'm glad and proud for its success. Warcraft has become big enough to impact mainstream and has its own con

Happy that the Blizzard brand isn't the one that was left in the early 00s like Westwood, Ensemble Studios and Maxis