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>shittiest gtx 970 >perform games 3.5x better than an Xbox

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>shittiest gtx 970
>perform games 3.5x better than an Xbox One and a Ps4

I don't get console users who stick to consoles because "they prefers it", i mean you can use Steam big picture and gamepads just like a console anyway.

I am getting 150fps on Vermintide while Xbox One gets 30fps and seems to have less enemies. I get 144fps on Skyrim while Special Edition runs at 30fps on Ps4.
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>>389256992
normies man. I still have a friend that I keep in touch with from high school that has a good pc (bought a prebuilt) but he still feels consoles are superior. he is a total normie faggot though. even plays his ps4 on a 720p native tv.

normies man, there are a lot of them.
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I know and I'm planning on buying a used 970 next month to add to this cheap prebuilt I have so I can play games at university. Current gtx1070 pc is too big to transport to and from university and home every couple of months. 970s are cheap anyway.
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>>389256992
At what resolution fo you get 150fps in vermintide?
I have a 970 and the framerate jumps from 40 to 90, the game's terribly optimized
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>>389258024
>to and from university and home every couple of months.
sounds like you should leave your pc at home nad get a gaymen laptop. or just leave your pc at the dorm like a normalfag. you don't need vidya every weekend you go home faggot
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>tfw cant find anything fun on pc
I'd love to actually use 980
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>>389256992
console fags are literally retarded and i think they use consoles cause it makes them feel less addicted to video games.
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>>389258247
>reading comprehension

I said I'm leaving my gtx 1070 pc at home and I'm going to get a gtx 970 to add to a cheap prebuilt I have in my university so I can relax and play games in my spare time at both places instead of having to invest in a console, an overpriced laptop with a shit graphics card or having to transport my home gtx 1070 pc around.
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>>389258531
i torrented deadrising on pc the other day,pretty fun. I never got to play it back in the day. I also play pubg.

anon you could get dolphin and play literally any gamecube game to your liking, and it will be in full hd with good grafix.

you'll find something my 980 bro
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>>389258686
> Current gtx1070 pc is too big to transport to and from university and home every couple of months.
that made me think you've been transporting your peecee int the past, anon. which you probably fucking did a few times, don't lie.
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>>389258686
but yeah, you have the right idea. build a 2nd cheap pc.
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no physical media on PC, all your "ownership" is dictated by some fat fuck in Washington or EA who can and historically have in the past, revoked licenses to digital downloads of games.

This is why PC gaming is dead.
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>>389258695
Thanks, I think I'll try emulating stuff. PUBG looks interesting on Twitch, but I'm not into supporting these broken early access games.
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>>389259097
>plays console games over PC games
kinda proving the point that PC sucks.
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>>389258947
This is the one legit reason to prefer consoles. Paying for pc games today is fucking stupid
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>>389259886
Yeah, it is pretty shitty right now.
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>people actually bought a 970 after they knew about the 3.5gb fiasco

why
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got this stupid prebuilt laying around in my house

cpu seems pretty ok, but I'd like to change ram and add a new video card

970 seems kinda overkill, I'd just need something cheap and not that huge

suggestions?
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>>389256992
Same here OP.
Bought a Sapphire 290 fo the price of a 280, haven't felt the need to upgrade yet until I get a 1440p/144Hz monitor since it runs everything maxed out and even older games at 4K.
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>>389260232
gtx 1050 maybe?
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>>389260232
470 or 1050
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>>389260037
yeah, if you don't pirate every PC game if you are so inclined to play on it, then you are actively contributing to the death of the industry. The first thing any of these companies wants over you is ownership of the product and of your cash. Valve secured that a decade ago and PC gaming is dead for consumers.
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>>389260232
1050Ti
ignore >>389260354 and >>389260457 as 1050 (regular) simply isn't worth it (barely better than integrated GPUs) and 470 is too expensive due to miners
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I like consoles for the exclusive games, and I like physical releases. Despite that though, I still play the vast majority of multiplatform titles on PC unless I can get the physical copies on PS4 / Xbox One for less than $20.
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>>389260130
Because it's still a good card even if it was falsely advertised, better power consumption than GCN, a monster at overclocking and wasn't very expensive. It can still max out almost everything at 1080p.
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>Not owning a PS4 for neato shit like Everybody's Golf and Bloodborne and then a PC for everything else
lol
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>>389261502
>Owning a PS4 when you have a PC
Why?
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>>389261502
I bought all the consoles because I'm a fucking retard but the only one I feel is truly necessary is the PS4 at the moment. Pretty much only play PS4 and PC since finishing BOTW months ago.
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Whats the cheapest 4gb ~ 6gb gpu I can get right now?
No amd please.
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>>389259886
emulating through dolphin and playing gamecube games that way is 100x superior to playing it on normal cube.

>pc sucks
I can't think of a single console game I want to play. maybe red ded. sure got me
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>>389261603
denuvo

>>389261658
emulation is inherently inaccurate and ultimately inferior.

>maybe red ded
your problems is shit taste. go back to your streamer bait. and gambling games like cs go.
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>>389260089
>>389259886
Just because you retards don't like games doesn't mean pc sucks

Company of heroes 2 is fun pc only
Age of wonders 3 fun pc only
Divinity original sin 2 is about to come out, fun pc only
Any shooter out plays better on pc than console, higher fps and all, see siege, insurgency, overwatch, etc.

Starcraft remaster is fun if you never played it (albeit dated)

I mean you're not even trying to find games
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>>389261502
That's the thing though, the "everything else" is garbage. Maybe I'm just a weeb, but I don't want to play Battlegrounds and LoL when there's Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild. Even Nierfags are complaining about not getting any patches on PC.
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>>389261656
Whats your price range
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>>389261828
lol you have shit taste and have never even played on dolphin. thanks for confirming you're a normie loser with no taste
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>>389256992
they like playing good games instead of jacking off to a yellow number on the top left of the screen
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>>389261898
now tell me about scam citizen next, get me really hyped for those early access, drm-ridden, non-physical PC games. C'mon, you can do it.

>>389261969
emulation will always be worse than original hardware, enjoy trying to emulate what I've been playing for decades on a god-tier CRT and with 100% accuracy.

oh and enjoy your windows input lag.
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>>389261656
1050Ti probably. Maybe 1060 3GB. 1060 6GB might be overpriced depending on where you live.
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>>389258176
2560 x 1080, ultrawide
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>>389262186
All the games I listed are released save dos2 which is launching in a few days anon.

What's your issue? You don't like video games you can just say it.
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>>389261828
>Denuvo
I pirate Denuvo games.
This console gen is the very worst form of DRM by the way.
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>>389262098
But PS4 has no games except Bloodborne.
>inb4 Nioh
What a massive disappointment, no wonder everyone's already forgotten about it.
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>>389261902

There is a ton of weeb shit on steam. There are threads bitching about how it's "ruining" steam. How in the fuck are you not finding this shit?
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>>389262364
I know right? Nothing says awful DRM like being able to take out your game disc put it in any console and play it.

stop listening to total biscuit, when you repeat his dumb arguments it just makes you look dumber. You don't even have real ownership over your games and you're convinced that you are on a platform of freedom.
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>MUUUUHHHH LE MASTUR RACE XDDD MUH GRAFFFFFX!

Just STOP. PC has literally nothing else than dogshit indie garbage, Blizz/Valveshit and western console ports. You're a huge fucking retard and/or underaged if you aren't bored by the general games collection of PC.

I swear to god that only Yakuza 0 is more fun and entertaining than 95% of PC exclusives in 2017.

t. idort
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>currently using a 7850
>need a current gen card that will let me 60fps all the latest titles
>only have $150
is the dream possible?
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>>389262542
I sold my HD 7850 for 60 bucks and bought a 970 for 210 last year.
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>>389256992
pc just doesn't have much exclusives. Also it gets ports way after everyone beaten it already on consoles.

> in b4 some 999999 retro pc exclusive bullshit that everyone's phone can play.
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>>389262604
>bought a 970 for 210 last year.

You got ripped off.
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>>389262608

you're retarded
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>>389262526
It's completely irrelevant though
If you want to play any multiplat you should always play it on pc

Having hot opinions such as "indie sucks xD" doesn't actually make indie games sucks

Age of wonders, factorio, civilization, any rts you want to play, you're only playing those on pc, and they aren't bad games / genres just because you want it to be. Faggot.
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>>389257491
>in the meanwhile I play Undertale on my overclocked pc, mustard race wins again ahahahahahahaahaah
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>"Hey, guys, you know, I like to play games in my 42" TV, on my sofa, not in that small monitors of yours, lol"
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>>389262526
don't forget denuvo, late ports, extremely buggy ports, and the crowning achievement of the mustard race:
EARLY ACCESS AHAHAHAHAH
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>>389262186
Bluray movies and games have the most aggressive DRM and copy protection in history, and next gen consoles will probably use UHD Bluray which is even worse. PS4 and Xbone are incredibly locked down as well. Every single thing about consoles is explicitly designed to fuck over the user as hard as possible. Complaining about DRM and going to console is like complaining about shooting yourself in the head to cure a headache.
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>defending hostageware
ayy lmao
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>>389262702
Na, not really, was when new price was 300 and it still has a value of 170-200.
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>>389262542
GTX 1060 6GB is $200-250.
So save a little more.
Avoid the 3GB version.
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>>389261603
I can't play Everybody's Golf or Wipeout Omega Collection on PC you dumbo
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>>389262503
It might not be the ultimate solution but I'm definitely a hell of a lot more free on PC than on console.
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>>389262747
lots of PC multiplats are buggier, have issues with newer operating systems, fail to recreate the developers intent, are missing graphical effects, many are missing content.

the "all multiplats are best on PC" meme has never been true. Some are, a lot aren't. Some games have superior PS2 versions. Some have superior sega saturn versions. Some have superior xbox versions, some have superior PC versions but only work on windows 98SE, some have superior PC versions but only work correctly on windows XP with era appropriate hardware and drivers.

Some games have had fan support to incorporate some of these changes and differences from other platforms or keep the games playable, but many of these inherently introduce inaccuracies.
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Wait for Nvidia Volta GV106 GTX 2060
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>>389262713
you're salty
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>>389262747
Well it really sucks when PC multiplats either don't launch same day, don't have a confirmed launch date, don't get patched, etc., etc.
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>>389262798
nobody buys a console for anything but games and maybe tertiary shit like netflix. next argument please. You are losing.

>>389262920
nobody buys a console for "freedom." but you can't say PC is more free when you don't even own your software.

Hey, good news is soon you can buy mods as well. PC sure is great! Getting better too! heh! Master race!
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I play shite like dota and strategies on pc and use ps4 for sport games and exclusives.

It's not rocket science you fucking autists.
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>>389256992
>because they prefer it

You answered the age old question right there, because they prefer it. I got a pc and a pro and 95% of the time, I'm playing on ps4. That and I hate dealing with pc. The parts, the price, the games, yeah I'm content with console.
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>>389262503
You don't even own your console. The PS4 gives you zero control of the device unless you hack it. Sony TOOK AWAY functionality remotely when they launched a firmware update preventing you from dual booting Linux on the PS3. Sure they got fined, but that didn't change anything did it? Sony and Microsoft can brick your console AT ANY TIME, and at most they'll get a slap on the wrist.
>B-but I can just play offline
Yeah, and 99% of console games are buggy trash at launch and require a day 1 patch.
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>>389263001
What are some games that happen on your first claim? Because I play rainbow six siege , overwatch, and and counter strike and they run better / higher fps than their console counter parts.

A game recreated or ported isn't necessarily the same as a game that is a native multipla t, which is mostly what I refer to. I don't blame anyone for buying a game that takes 6 months to port to another console / platform
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>>389263001
>over 20 years & 1000's of games, some are better on consoles or only work on older OS's

Yeah no shit, because you get shitty devs like Gearbox phoning in a port of Halo:CE, but most multiplats are better on PC
Meanwhile PS4 doesn't even have BC
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The true master race is the Idort Master Race.

All else is just dumb fanboys being too poor for afford everything.
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>>389263143
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>>389262604
>>389262702
970? hmm
I'll look that up. thanks.
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>>389263143
>Haha Consoles are more free, take that PCfags
>Oh Sony increased the PSN+ price? well ill just choose another service, oh wait
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>>389256992
I have an upper mid-range pc, as well as a switch, ps4, wii u, ps3, vita, 3ds, etc etc. Why? Exclusives, retard. I like games, hardware is secondary to games. I'll buy shit hardware if that's what it takes to play a good game.
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>>389263143
>nobody buys a console for anything but games
Which have loads of copy protection, it's built into the Bluray spec. Bluray is inherently anti-Freedom.
>tertiary shit like netflix
Which requires both software and hardware-based DRM to function.
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>>389263304
nobody
buys
a
console
for
"""""""""""freedom""""""""""""
you fell for a meme and now are using it as the foundation of a highly flawed argument.

>>389263305
GTA SA looks best on the PS2 and has exclusive graphical effects for the PS2 version.

>>389263330
Maybe 20% of all multiplats are best on PC.

>>389263373
>bait is anything that I disagree with!
did you get lost?
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>>389263490
>playing online
don't out yourself as a casual so quickly.

>>389263552
nobody buys a console for freedom. they buy them for games. deflect harder from the ever increasing control everyone has over you on PC. There's even DRM for your fucking mice now. How pathetic.
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>>389263586
If someone bought a pc to emulate ps2 games perfectly I'm not sure what to tell them? The fact you can emulate it at all is great but not like we need to pretend that you shouldn't play it on the native platform 16 years ago
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>>389257368
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>>389263297
Something I would never do is going back to consoles.
Not only I can't play anything uder 60FPS, but also every time I play a game in 3 screens I feel like in heaven.
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>>389263586
>>389263143
>Consoles are more free than PC!
>No they're not, here's why.
>N-no one buys consoles for freedom! We like hardware-based DRM! F-for the players!

Also, more like 99% of multiplats are better on PC. Even Arkham Knight, the infamous "worst port ever," is almost completely fixed and runs great.
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>>389263775
PS2 emulation is N64-tier. Not to mention the number of games with FBR will play horrendously and look horrible too.
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>>389256992
I have that GPU.

It's loud as fuck and I had to install Afterburner to lower the resting fan speed because it was giving me a headache. Playing games sends the fans in overdrive.
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>>389263967
Welcome to PNY.
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>>389263898
>clinging onto a throwaway statement so desperately
arkham knight also isn't the worst port ever. Did you start playing games in the past 3 years or something?
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>>389263872
This, most console games are borderline unplayable. Framerate is gameplay, that's why old school consoles and arcades usually targeted 60fps. Every console after the SNES and Genesis has been flaming garbage and not worth buying except for the novelty.
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>>389263997
>bought $40 pny SSD
>win10 blue screens over and over again
>had to revert back to HDD
painful
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>>389264225
framerate is framerate. Not the best argument to use when PC gaming's classic titles from 1995 and before are renown for running at sub 35FPS. Not to mention the presence of the european 50hz standards.

Really bad choice son. It's not like a game will magically be improved by a notable margin if the developers didn't ship it targeting 60fps. The games that benefit most from 60fps already run at 60fps.
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>>389256992
My reasons:
Consoles only cost $200-250 now bundled with a game, run games well enough for me, and I don't have to deal with troubleshooting issues that come up that sometimes do on PC.
I mostly play Japanese games anyway and not all of those even get PC ports, and the ones that do are usually pretty rough.
I play a lot during summer with limited AC use, so if the console shits itself eventually due to running so often when it's hot, I can get a replacement system for less than the cost of a replacement graphics card on PC.
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>>389262526
there is nothing to play on console, pal. keep trying though
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>>389262773
learn to greentext newfag

enjoy your shitbox
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>>389264609
>Really bad choice son.
How is that a bad argument when most of the console exclusives praised here are borderline unplayable? Bloodborne is a blurry stutterfest with broken physics since From can't program worth a damn, Driveclub was hyped up then died instantly since no one like racing games at 30fps, every notable FPS on console feels garbage to play. (At least Halo 5 targeted 60fps) Consoles are legitimately just not fun to play 90% of the time. They aren't good enough to play games on.
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>>389265025
shouldn't you be petitioning for bloodborne and yakuza right now?
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>>389265161
The only bloodborne petition made couldn't even get enough people to sign it, even at the height of its popularity. No one wanted it then, no one wants it now.
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>>389265809
damn, there's even less PC gamers than I thought.
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>>389256992
WIth consoles u dont have to fuck around that much. Buy console, buy game that say console name on box, insert disc, play. No messing around with settings, no finetuning, no balancing between graphic details and fps, no need to mess around with your os, its plug and play, guraranteed.
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>>389258247
Who the fucks falls for a gaming laptop, like how stupid do you have to be
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PC doesn't even have 30% of my PS4 game library, let alone PS3.
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>>389265074
I don't mind 30fps in 3rd person games but in first person games I can't tolerate it. Another big issue on console that doesn't get enough mention is that first person shooters always have no FOV settings so you're locked at 85-90 degrees making the games claustrophobic as fuck. Only first person console games I'm aware of with FOV settings are DOOM and Mirror's Edge Catalyst.
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>>389263898
He isn't saying consoles are more free than PC, he's saying people buy them because of convenience instead of freedom because they are infinitely more convenient and easier to setup than PCs at the cost of everything that makes a PC good
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>>389263050
you're wrong
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>>389266397
you must not have played doom or quake until they were out for over a decade.
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>>389266138

>>389266138

But anon you need house sofa tv car grill to play console plus every game takes 30 hours to install plus 20 hour day 1 patch download.
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>>389264882
>Consoles only cost $200-250 now bundled with a game
Last gen they never bothered with game bundles unless it was a blue moon or towards the end of the 360 and PS3's days. This gen only Microsoft really bothers, as Sony only offers the Uncharted 4 500GB bundle PS4 Slim and the limited-run Destiny 2 PS4 Pro. Even then only Xbox One S Forza and Minecraft bundles clock in around $250
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>>389266414
thank you for having basic reading comprehension. Onto the next point, PC did have an appeal for freedom as being a legitimate marketing point for a time, but is still paraded around despite DRM getting significantly worse, gamers no longer having ownership of games be in their hands, but rather being at the mercy of EULAs and authentication systems like steamworks, and things like the latest gaming OSes like Win10 being bogged down with explicit spying on users.

These are legitimate issues and I think it's reasonable to say completely undermine freedom as an argument for the superiority, even the legitimacy of PC as a primary gaming platform. Even mods are in jeopardy.
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>>389266654
there's been new game bundles every year for the PS4. At least get your facts right, shill.
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>>389266465
I've probably been playing Doom longer than you have, it's cute though that you had to bring up games more than 20 years old as if it means anything in the context of contemporary games.

Prey and Dishonore 2 for example are two games that were completely unplayable on console due to the framerate and FOV.
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>>389267038
so you know then, that doom was locked at 35fps and it wasn't for some time that source ports rectified this. prey and dishonored 2 are unplayable games by virtue of being in the most overdone, boring genre of their time and offer nothing of value. But you're doing a great job proving how old you are with such mature taste.
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>>389267038
Are those games fun though?
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>>389266063
>damn, there's even less PC gamers than I thought.
less PC gamers with shit taste*
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>>389266654
Microsoft only bothers to have an assload of bundle options because they're second-banana to the PS4 and need something they can market (WOW YOU GET A FREE GAME) and even then it doesn't do them any good when they're being outsold by a system that has less bundles because it has more games anyway
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>>389267324
lol no.
http://steamcharts.com/app/578080
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So, can I expect CPU prices to go down in 10 years or so?
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>>389267185
>so you know then, that doom was locked at 35fps
I'm aware, who doesn't know that? You're comparing a 2.5D game that uses sprites to modern fully 3D games. Just because it was acceptable in 1993 doesn't mean it's how games should be played today. i still like chocolate doom for nostalgia though
>prey and dishonored 2 are unplayable games by virtue of being in the most overdone, boring genre of their time and offer nothing of value
And what games would you say offer something of value, this should be quite amusing.

>>389267319
On PC they are
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>>389267473
touché
Though that game will likely do well on every platform, like it or not.
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>buying a 900-series

Enjoy your prices getting marked up by up to 300% because of muh bitcoin.
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>>389267718
it hit the highest number of players on steam ever.

>>389267672
>And what games would you say offer something of value, this should be quite amusing.
yakuza 0, gravity rush 2, nier automata are good places to start.
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>>389264609
>PC gaming's classic titles from 1995 and before are renown for running at sub 35FPS
>>389267185
>so you know then, that doom was locked at 35fps

Whats your point, its not 1995 anymore 60+ FPS is what most people play at on PC in the current year.
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>>389267883
>yakuza 0, gravity rush 2, nier automata are good places to start.
I bought all of those games on PS4, only one of them runs at 30fps.

Doesn't change my opinion that first person games are unplayable on consoles.
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But I can't pirate games on the PS4 though. Atleast I can on the PS3 and PC.
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>>389268000
doesn't change the fact that first person games as a genre really shouldn't be a selling point. Terrible genre.

>>389267925
its more like 30% of all PC gamers are in that 1080p60 for all games territory.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Not to mention the quality of ports has shown that games that are running on hardware that is theoretically 2-4 times more powerful than consoles is in reality achieving similar or 15-25% better performance.
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>>389256992
> 3.5x better
What about the ither .5?
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>>389268498
thats where the frame tearing and frame time comes in.
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>>389268309
>doesn't change the fact that first person games as a genre really shouldn't be a selling point. Terrible genre.
In your opinion, I think Dishonored 2 was better than Nier and Gravity Rush 2. Nier was mediocre as shit outside the lewd fan art.
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>>389268772
that's kinda pathetic. I get it though, right? I used to think first person games were the be all end all for a time. Started getting bored with lying to myself that these games were any good and weren't incredibly bland, predictable homogenized embarrassments with focus-group design, god awful writing, and a general lack of merit.
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>TFW you did not get any money from the class action lawsuit that was brought up on nvidia
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Pcbros are the loudest fags on the internet

>Waaaa game is capped, I want to play at 1000fps
>waaaa game's not on pc, dev hates money
>Waaaaa game's lagging af, shit port shit dev
>I can pirate it because I can ;)

Kys yourself pcbros
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>>389269117
I got my check a couple months ago
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>>389268931
Your elitism is amusing given you don't own a platform capable of even enjoying these games.

I got bored with Nier halfway through ending A, I had to force myself to play through the game and get far enough where I could get to the trophy merchant. Never played it again after that.
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>>389268309
>Not to mention the quality of ports has shown that games that are running on hardware that is theoretically 2-4 times more powerful than consoles is in reality achieving similar or 15-25% better performance.
Kek, is that a joke?
Just because something runs on ultra at 1080p60 on a GTX 1060 doesn't mean it's only twice as powerful as a PS4 running the same game at 1080p30 on medium-high.
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>>389269920
>Just because something runs on ultra at 1080p60 on a GTX 1060 doesn't mean it's only twice as powerful as a PS4 running the same game at 1080p30 on medium-high.
True, especially when you consider most 30fps console games are not anything close to locked 30fps.
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>>389269496
oh, you didn't even beat the game. hard to take anything you say very seriously.
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>>389269920
ah the graphics settings meme. yet another thing PC gamers cling onto as if graphics settings fucking mean anything any more.

There isn't even a real reason to play PC games any more.
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>>389271294
>Look at this screenshot from a Youtube video, take THAT!
Kek
Also, the point was that on the same settings as a PS4 a 1060 would run games 3-5x better.
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>>389270549
>you didn't even beat the game
Yeah, I guess beating it doesn't count as beating it.
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>>389271294
I can cherrypick too
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>>389271294
>There isn't even a real reason to play PC games any more.
It's the only way to play most games at a good framerate.
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>>389271294
>shits on pc in one thread about how muh grafix on console are similar to pc
>goes into another thread about how xbox one x is shit because no one cares about grafix

at least keep the narrative straight
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>bought a 970 3 years ago despite of all the meme going around that it wasnt really 4gb
>still working fine
>barely any game actually uses over 3GB of it even when on max settings
>GPU only really struggles if I play higher than 1440p

But the funniest part about this whole thing is that I tried some badly optimized games on my friend's 1080 gtx PC and shit still runs bad.
I rejoice everytime I find an actual well optimized game. Battlefield 1 is a good example, that shit runs smooth as butter on max at 1440p for me.
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>>389271467
>route A
you beat the equivalent of world 1 in mario and said you beat the entire game lol

>>389271515
here's a PC game built from the ground up, low settings are the only settings that look remarkably different. the ultra graphics settings meme hasn't been true since crysis back in 2007.
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>>389273828
>you beat the equivalent of world 1 in mario and said you beat the entire game lol
you stupid faggot, you don't even unlock the ability to buy trophies until finishing A2's ending.
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>>389258686
>he didnt buy a mid tower
>or even a micro box
check out this full tower tard
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>>389271294
Graphics aside
>higher frame rate
>higher resolution
>Free online
>Cheaper games
>More choice when it comes to controller
>Upgradable

Play on whatever system you want but to say PC has no advantages other than a "graphical setting meme" is retarded.
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>>389257368
3.5+5 is 8.5
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>>389258686
>he didn't cram his shit into a shoebox
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>>389257368
>mfw AMDs rival ad campaign was literally "we give you 4gb of ram. all 4 gb"

laughed heartily, still got a 980ti because AMD only sell to crypto fags
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>>389274163
>free online
>have to pay for individual games for "the servers" like wowcraft
>cheaper games
well yeah they're cheaper, you're just buying a license that can be revoked at any time.
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>>389275523
>>have to pay for individual games for "the servers" like wowcraft
And yet I don't have to pay to play online in games like Dark Souls 3 or DOOM or any non-MMO.
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>>389256992
>le don't mention the cost of the motherboard, cpu, and ram meme
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>>389256992
>mfw I know a guy that works at PNY, so I can just get GPUs at MSRP and not deal with inflated prices because of miners
feels good
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>>389256992
>have 960
>can still play most games, even games from this year, on high
console fags btfo
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>he doesn't have both a pc and a console
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>>389261902
PC has more than just those you know, if you actually liked vidya instead of circlejerking about muh waifus maybe you'd realise that.
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I only own consoles for exclusives.
And I refuse to pay again to use my own internet service, especially considering PSN, XBL, and NN all have shit download speeds while I can hit 25+ MB/s on Steam easily.
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>>389273828
If you can't see the difference in those settings than your eyes are fucked. Not all of us are glasses wearing fucks with busted eyes like you.
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>>389275685
good. online is for faggots that play fucking nudoom.

>>389275984
all the japanese games on PC ask for at best a PC with winxp, which everyone has. The PC question is about whether or not it's worth to actually use it as a primary driver for games.

spoiler: it's not.
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>>389256992
Why are pc losers so bitter?
I have a 'gaming pc' and ps4 but playing games on my ps4 is just more fun.
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>>389276153
>I-I don't even want it
Kek
Consolefags (read: Sonyfags) are hilarious.
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>>389275948
I used to have a 960 and I know you're full of shit. Unless you like playing games at 18fps
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>>389276153
I'd say having the better version of multiplats, tons of good exclusives going back 30 years and access to emulation up to the WiiU make it worth it as a primary vidya machine.

this is probably bait though isn't it?
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>>389256992
They are too stupid to build one themselves.
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ITT Buyers Remorse.
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>>389276140
nah they all look really similar except the low setting. here's a real graphical settings difference. I understand if you've never seen this before, being so young, you aren't used to games having actual options.
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>>389276539
I would agree if Nintendo made games for people older than 10 years old
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>>389257368
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>>389276539
this was addressed already and proven wrong.
see: >>389263001
pc gamers can't meme.
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>>389276205
lol
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>>389276719
I'll take missing graphical effects if it means 60fps over a locked 30 desu.
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>>389256992
>tfw 1080
>tfw 1440p 144hz monitor
>tfw SSD loading speeds
>almost puked when my monitor reset to 60 hz after a driver update
>can't imagine the fucking horror of playing on 30 fps at medium settings with HDD loading speeds

Kek at console peasants
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>>389276869
I guess you'll take missing levels too.
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>>389277158
Name 10 games that do this
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>>389256992
Still using the GTX 970 and I can safely say I haven't had any issues with game performance except for the new destiny which wasn't that big of a deal since I just turned down the graphics to high. I'm interesting upgrading but the market is so shit and I don't want to settle for an amd card.
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I play on consoles because I play fighting games and no one serious plays those on PC lmao
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>>389277258
if you didn't use MSAA (which was not well implemented in the beta but will be on release, according to bungie) it runs fine. maxed out 60 fps on my OC'd 970. there is literally no reason for 970 users to upgrade for another year at least.
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>>389276140
Since 2007 or so games barely have any difference between low and high
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8
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>>389277195
k
splinter cell, powerslave, PSX Doom, Portal (360), Starwars Battlefront 1 & 2 (Xbox), Armed & Dangerous, Full Spectrum Warrior (and its sequel), Rainbow Six 3, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory.
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>>389277409
Yea I'm definitely going to wait a few more months before upgrading, probably going to settle for a 1070
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>>389277307
the funniest shit is when pc plebes actually brag about using a fucking keyboard lol
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>>389277591
this kills the PC gamer
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>>389266907
GOG exists which is far more free than anything that existed back in the day. You realize that every game that didn't have copy protection back in the day had a code wheel or password in the manual that you needed? Without the box you literally would be locked out of the game you paid for.
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>>389277883
Not really, the biggest reason for pc gaming is higher refresh rates and resolutions, not quality settings
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>>389277783
Stop right there faggot. You have to really see the difference when using a keyboard and mouse, it feels much better.
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Is Fallout 4 just badly optimized, some dumb shit with the Godrays, or what? My 1070 in cities barely gets like 50 fps with everything set to ultra.
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>>389277783
A keyboard is literally the same concept as a hitbox controller, just with smaller keys.
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>consolefags have to go all the way back to the fucking ps1 and 2 gens to think of a few multiplats that aren't better on pc

This has to be some next level trolling
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>>389277307
Fighting games is a dead genre that is only played by a vocal e-sport minority which only play SF2T or Melee anyway.
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>>389278361
Godrays and shadows. There's a mod out there that improves performance with shadows, basically the engine renders shadows that the player can't see hurting performance.
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>>389278152
not for fighting games. only good for clicker shit like rts games or pointer shit like shooters. shit for everything else.

>>389277997
gog lets you buy games you can much more easily pirate. they also sell you pirated games. next.

>>389278053
I thought it was for the games? Oh wait, it's just console ports. But sometimes slightly smoother. Still waiting for that nier automata patch, right? lmao. You faggots need some consistency.
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>>389278925
>slightly smoother
>144 hz is slightly smoother than 30 fps

Yeah..no
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>>389278695
here's some right now:
batman arkham knight, doom 2016 (denuvo lol), nier automata (denuvo lol), sonic mania (denuvo lol)
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>>389279050
>doom 2016 (denuvo lol), nier automata (denuvo lol), sonic mania (denuvo lol)
Denuvo was removed from doom, but it doesn't make that much difference anyway.
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>>389274439
SG13 is the best tiny case, I built my PC and fit it in my carry on on my overseas flight to uni. I drilled two holes in the power supply support bracket and managed to fit in another 7mm drive between the PSU and case wall for 3 ssd and one HDD total. There are many cases with greater volume which are poorly designed so you could never do that.
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>>389278992
>comparing refresh rates to framerates
please stop breathing you are too dumb to continue living
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>>389279245
They are the exact same thing you stupid fucking cunt.

Unless your hardware is too shitty to hit the max refresh rate of your monitor
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>>389262250
You're so full of shit.
A 1080 wont give you a solid 144fps on a 1080p monitor.
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>>389278925
>gog lets you buy games you can much more easily pirate. they also sell you pirated games. next.
Are you retarded? By that logic I should just steal console games from Redbox since it's easier than paying for them.
>Oh wait, it's just console ports
9 of the top 10 games on Steam are either PC exclusives or PC was their first platform. The other one is GTA V which of course was an enhanced port with phenomenally better graphics than the console version. The most popular non-Steam games would of course be stuff like World of Tanks, LoL, MMO's, Starcraft 2, and games like Overwatch which are primarily developed for PC. Don't really see what console ports have to do with it.
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>the price is never coming down again

Fucking jews
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poorfags arguing because they can't acquire every platform.

>mfw I can enjoy every game I want on every platform I want
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>>389256992
Lmao
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I don't buy consoles since I don't want to give money to Sony. I don't watch Sony movies, I don't pay for Blurays, whether they be movies or games, and I don't buy Sony consoles, handhelds or games.
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>>389256992
This may come as a shock to you, but there are games not on PC that people enjoy.

>But their shit solely because they're not on PC

And you're a faggot.
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>>389279529
>I can justify playing god awful games like gta5 if they look slightly prettier!
ah, how I miss the days of never ever where idiots like you would be fuming with rage over a golden face.

>>389279343
you actually think framerates and refresh rates are the same thing, holy fuck kill yourself. probably don't even know what frame times are.
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>>389279874
>probably don't even know what frame times are.
Oh jeez, do we seriously have a consolefag trying to bring up frametimes? When the PS4 probably has the worst frametimes and most inconsistent performance of any modern console? It's fucking hilarious, the PS4 has a better GPU than Xbone yet frequently huge games are much more playable and stable on Xbone while PS4 is a stutterfest. Somewhere along the line Cerny fucked up, there's been too many games with poor launch performance on the PS4 this gen to be a coincidence.
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>>389280243
Not him, but what could they have screwed up with the PS4 that'd cause the frametime issues?
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>>389279050
>Denuvo is bad because it's DRM
>Meanwhile, consoles can't even edit a file without a major system mod or CFW like Mocha and the like
I guess hardware DRM is okay for consolefags.
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Why was the 3,5+0,5 actually a thing?
I mean did they actually save any amount of money that matters on this or what?
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>>389281230
consoles aren't sold as platforms for freedom, nobody buys them for that reason.

PCs are pitched as that all the time, however.
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>>389281582
PC has freedom though, as DRM is often cracked and games like Nier, Doom, and (soon) Sonic Mania can all be pirated, free of DRM.
With consoles, you're shit out of luck barring, as mentioned, CFW and the like.
If you're going to make a comparison, it's pretty disingenuous to state that the downsides of one platform don't matter because of nebulous reasons.
But, that's pretty typical of your modern consolefag /v/irgin.
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>>389281748
you don't even own your games you pay for on PC. the drm argument doesn't even fucking matter if you don't have actual ownership.
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>>389282106
>Download game for free
>Install on hard drive
Who's going to take it away from me or say I don't have ownership?
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>>389282106
enjoy your disc rot
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>>389281296
>save any amount of money
Yes, they didn't have to design a new model because it was a dumbed down 980, they just removed some vram so the $150 would appear legit, in short, profit.
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>>389282197
pressed CDs will outlast me, and BDs will outlast even your underage self.
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>>389260638
TI should be implied when referring to 1050's.
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>>389281296
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Discloses-Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970
basically the primary issue is reviewers were mistakenly led to believe that the only major difference between the 970 and 980 was clockspeed, In reality the 970 was cut down, it had fewer ROP's, basically it couldn't output the same maximum amount of pixels/clock as the 980. This meant it could only have 7 memory ports, called crossbars, unlike the 980's 8. So .5GB of VRAM per crossbar, or 3.5 total. Except they tried something new. (or newish, they tried the fast/slow memory on another GPU before I believe but it was implemented differently) They wanted to shove all 4GB of memory down less pipelines instead of outright disabling .5GB. The issue is if all 4GB were utilized simultaneously they would bottleneck the 7th crossbar hard, reducing the GPU to 3.0 GB total. To avoid this they partitioned the memory in a way to limit the bandwidth of the last .5GB, so it wouldn't interfere with the first 3.5. So a neat solution, however the end result was still in practice basically the same, you had 3.5GB and going over it to 4 would cause stutters as the last part of the VRAM ran at a much slower speed. It really depended on the game though what would happen. This all could have been avoided if Nvidia wouldn't have disabled ROP's and CUDA cores from the 980.
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>>389282417
>>389282106
You do realize you can burn a PC game to a CD/Blu-ray, right?
What are you even arguing about here?
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>>389256992
>144fps on Skyrim
How? I heard the physics get fucked up if you try to go above 60. OP is a liar.
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>>389282106
No one gives a shit about DRM or copy protection in practice, people buy Blurays all the time and rip them for personal storage despite the fact cracking AACS is technically illegal. If you want to preserve your games crack them, whether it's physical or not and just keep them on your HDD or burn them to a disc without copy protection.
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>>389260130
There are truthfully very few games that use more that 3.5gb at 1080p, unless you use retardedly high texture packs etc
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>>389258695
>Thinking that GPU is more important than CPU when emulating games
Anon, please.
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>>389283075
Don't you know physical media doesn't exist unless your mom buys it in a box from Gamestop? It's not like you can just buy a Bluray drive for $50 and press your own games for long term storage.
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>>389277307
Nobody worth taking seriously plays fighting games seriously.
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>>389260130
With a 1080p 59 Hz monitor it was great for a budget. Still runs everything I play at maximum settings.
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>>389282106
>you don't even own your games you pay for on PC
You get more ownership via Steam than you do on PSN or Xbox Live. I can still play every Steam game I've purchased since creating my account in 2004 but I have PS3 games I purchased in 2012 on PSN that I can't play on my PS4.
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>>389258531
If you cannot find anything fucking fun to play, then that's on you m8, there's a ton of great shit out there right now.
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>>389256992
Upgrading from a gtx 970 and ordered a 1080 ti today, worst part is that i'm getting destiny 2 with it...
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>>389260130

Because it ended up not mattering in the slightest even up against the 300s "future proof" 8gb.
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>tfw my Radeon 7850'sfan stopped working
>only one fan spins
Had it for about 4 years now. What should I replace it with?
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>>389265161
i'd prolly torrent BB if it was 60 fps and ported to pc. but would I go out of my way to play a 20 fps game?" fuck no, not in the year 2013+4
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>>389271294
you're stupid.
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>>389286318
>Destiny 2
>4k
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>>389271294

Is it just poor people or what that keep pushing this ultra settings make no difference bullshit.
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>>389285771
hey man you might not want to get the armor edition 1080 ti, it has a ton of problems
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>>389256992
PS4 cost less than PC with your build and has better games. I'm not wasting money to count more frames in only some games on inconvenient clunky behemoth.
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>>389256992
tfw you have android, ios, ps4, ps3, switch, 3ds, ps vita, ps2 and a gtx 1080 windows pc and you get to experience all platforms. Feels good not being a poorfag.
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>>389286654
I mean, a lot of games it's 100% true.
Pic related for example, there's very little difference between the lowest settings and the highest settings.
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>>389262776
A $15 dollar link is a lot more practical than a $500 dollar shitbox.
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>>389286736
overheating?
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>>389287450
yea
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>>389263913
PS2 emulation is almost perfect.
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>>389261828
>emulation is inherently inaccurate and ultimately inferior.
Yeah, i sure hate having high resolution and texture packs.
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>>389286994
>I bet that min. isn't optimize at all.

How could you stand to play on that shitty min. setting? Do console players eyes just blur everything so they can pretend they don't have bad vision in games?

You can't even see the guard on the top rail... you'd get killed by an invisible glitch in the min version.

Disgusting
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>>389256992
Most games don't allow the auto aim controllers need to feel good. They put it in for Destiny 2 and the PC mustards were crying all over youtube and reddit.
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>>389286543
don't know why he posted 4k
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>>389256992
>tfw someone calls your 970 the shittiest 970
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>>389287835
o u
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>>389288339
They're complaining because you can use some device to make your KB+M function as a controller so you get the accuracy of a mouse with the auto aim of a controller.
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How much would I have to spend to futureproof on a build and now feel obligated to replace parts for 4-5 years? Assume I already have all peripherals and OS.
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>>389256992
>I get 144fps on Skyrim
I got a 970 and Im lucky if I hit fps in the 50's. Is your skyrim unmodded or what?
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>>389286543
>>389286318
>Fury X barely performed better than the Fury
>Cost $100 more at launch
>Air-cooled Fury cards went for sub-$300 last year
Why is this allowed?
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>>389290089
there is no such thing as futureproofing hardware as there is no defined standard to which "futureproofing" should achieve. some people would say buy the absolute highest end hardware for $2000 as it will allow you to play games at max settings for the next few years. other will say to spend a moderate amount like $500 and just be clever with the settings you use to have the best visuals and performance for the money. there are still people achieving 1080p60 on older computers which aren't expensive at all due to them not being retarded when it comes to their in-game settings.
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>>389290089
It really depends on what settings you want, no one knows where technology will be in 5 years. For 1080p with decent settings probably a Ryzen 5 1600/1600X or the future Intel Coffee Lake i7 8700K, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 1070 or Vega 56.
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>>389256992
>(((forgot))) to mention how much it is
>1/5th of a pc
>have to upgrade it twice as often
begone shill
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>>389290893
>>have to upgrade it twice as often
Que?
It's not 2002 anymore anon.
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>>389290634
>>389290673
Can graphics even get much better in 5 years? I thought that focusing any more on graphics at this point would just be wasteful unless we entered an era of VR.
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>>389257491
>my friend cares more about video games than building a pc for twice as much money so he can be a part of le master race
color me surprised
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>>389290893
>have to upgrade it twice as often
Why? Thanks to consoles keeping graphics down there is no need.
>1/5th of a pc
More like 3/5
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>>389290963
>Can graphics even get much better in 5 years?
Compare something like Hellblade to DmC.
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>>389290893
built this pc 4 years ago and got a free graphics card upgrade recently and it still runs rings around all the consoles even if i had my older graphics card and costs less than the ps4/ps4 pro upgrade path with 4 years of psn. it will easily last me another 3-4 years
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>>389287170
>a $15 link and a $1000 shitbox is way more practical than a $500 shitbox (not)
ftfy
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>>389287807
I sure love having 4k floor textures in a game from 2002, who cares if it fucks up every 5 minutes these screenshots will get tons of upboats
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>>389256992
>going past 60fps
>not just increasing AA/downsampled resolution

as autistic as going for 4k 30fps
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>>389261969
I'm not buying any more Epic games
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>>389291318
you've never played on a high refresh rate monitor, have you?
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>>389291164
I bought my ps4 4 years ago and it's only marginally less visually impressive than the upgrade you would have had to pay $400 for if you didn't get it for free. Is "I got it for free" supposed to be a valid argument? I gpt my ps4 pro for free, how about that?
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>>389256992
>3.5x better
kek
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>>389291112
The difference is that games today still don't look better than Crysis. A lot of titles that came out this year don't look markedly better than ones a few years ago if at all. We have nearly reached the peak and any more just puts unnecessary strain on the development process for marginal gains.
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>>389291498
I got my whole computer for free cause I stole it, suck it console gamers.
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>>389291476
no i play on a huge ass TV because fuck using a mouse and keyboard at home when you do it at work
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>>389290963
You have to keep in mind there will be a new Playstation and Xbox in 2019 or 2020. It might be a huge leap forward, maybe not.
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>>389291498
>I bought my ps4 4 years ago and it's only marginally less visually impressive than the upgrade you would have had to pay $400 for
Difference is that he doesn't have to run games like shit.
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>>389291557
Developers wont quit until games look like real life and cost $600 systems or $1000 PCs to run on low.
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>>389291557
Lighting and shardows are a lot better now, look at something like FFXV or Quantum Break with Global Illumination.
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>>389291298
Well they work on my machine. Also they are not 4k textures either, just somewhat higher. And the fact that you can rise the resolution already makes emulation superb.
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>>389291618
I'm expecting more outdated tech, but this time with AMD Zen cores instead of the garbage Bulldozer cores they used this gen.
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>>389291498
no, because my little brother has a ps4 pro and the visuals are considerably worse. half of the games don't even use anti aliasing, or it could just be that 95% of the ps4 pro library is 1440p which looks like trash on my 4k tv. my old graphics card being a gtx 980 would still run rings around all the current consoles and i already mentioned that in my previous post which you conveniently forgot
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>>389291537
I understand that reference.
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>>389291760
FFXV looks awful though, and Quantum Break looks extremely blurry and/or runs like shit.
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>tfw only have a 980 ti
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>>389290963
Modern graphics cards right now could run games that look truly next-gen (as in PS5) if all they were targeting was 30fps the way developers do on consoles. Imagine the kinds of realtime effects a 1080Ti could push at a low refresh rate like 30Hz if PC gamers thought that was an acceptable standard.
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>>389262186
>emulation will always be worse than original hardware, enjoy trying to emulate what I've been playing for decades on a god-tier CRT and with 100% accuracy.
you may have a point about accuracy although it depends on the emulator (ie would i rather play it in 1080p or 480p with 100% accuracy) and i'd say it beats having a million different consoles in the same place and a bunch of dvds and cartridges
>god-tier CRT
Why can't you use a PC with a CRT? I don't see why you would want to though aside from "muh nostalgia"
>oh and enjoy your windows input lag.
What the fuck?
>trying to emulate
jesus christ emulation isn't that difficult
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>>389263586
I can't think of that many bad PC ports I have played recently.
Hell, even GTA SA worked perfectly for me a couple years ago on a modern PC.
Only thing that comes to mind is one of those batman games which didn't work at all, but I got that for free with a GPU and wasn't going to play it anyway.
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>>389291936
Yeah it seems like the priorities go:
Consoles
1. Graphics
2. Resolution
3. Framerate

While PC is:
1. Framerate
2. Graphics
3. Resolution

it is a bit weird how people refuse to move onto 1440p and prefer to max out games at 1080p/60.
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>>389260130
Cuz the meme made them cheaper and 2 is better than one.
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>>389292438
>it is a bit weird how people refuse to move onto 1440p and prefer to max out games at 1080p/60.

well unless you have a 1440p monitor there is no need to increase the resolution unless the game doesn't have good AA solutions. most of the time pc games come with a nice variety of AA solutions so downsampling isn't really needed.
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>>389284535
*pic not related
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>>389292438
>unless the game doesn't have good AA solutions.
Which they don't. Downsampling is best AA.
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