Is GF EVER going to fix this cute fucker? I can't imagine

>>389228929
>>>/vp/

>>389228959
>you can't talk about Pokemon on /v/

Spot the obnoxious newfag

>>389229019
why would you when there's a whole board literally dedicated to the topic.

>>389229259
/vp/ is for the anime and furshit.

GF has specifically stated that not every Pokemon is designed to be competitive

>>389229501
Too bad they removed Contests and the Pokeathalon and anything else that would let you use these "non-competetive" Pokemon

>>389229654
You can take pictures with them now though so it's okay :^)

>>389229501
>we needed to make filler

They didn't. It originally had amazing special so using the elemental punches with it was surprisingly good. It was after the split that it became bottom of the barrel shit

>>389229654
I miss contests, online contests would be neat.

>>389230290
>amazing special
defense. spatk was always shit, all it's got is spdef and it's not even that good

When they fix Corsola, Farfetch'd, Luvdisc and Delibird.

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>>389230514
Luvdisc will always be the shittiest, unless for some reason they decide to make something worse. Not even a mega could save that thing

>>389229501
then what is the point in making so many pokemon? there is nothing else besides battles, if only gamefreak added other minigames in which you can use those non competitive pokemon besides filling the pokedex

>>389230662
Sunflora.
Luvdisc gets fixed in a rain team, because supersonic hydropumps still do stuff even if the mon is shit.

>>389230514
Corsola and Farfetch'd got pretty big buffs for SM.

When are they going to fix Ice Types. Please, someone tell me.

>>389230514

Luvdisc only exists for Heart Scale farming.

>>389231425
when they nerf fighting, so never

>>389231425
When Fairy gets nerfed, Rock gets a good special attack, and Grass types get a good fire and ground move they can all learn.

>>389231578
The only nerf fighting needs is getting rid of dark moves from their move pools unless they're fighting/dark.

>>389230467
idiot

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>>389228929
>GameFreak
>Fixing anything
Jesus fuck no, that would require actual goddamn effort.
>Typhlosion will forever have copy/paste Charizard stats
>All Pokemon with wings will forever lazily float in the air because GameFreak can't be arsed to use the grounded model that fucking exists

>>389231716
I'm still mad about Xatu

I will never not be mad until they do this shit right

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>>389231716
>Ariados gets buffed
>+10 special defense
Thanks, Game Freak.

>>389231774
>I'm still mad about Xatu
What happened?

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>>389231774
What do you mean? You mean to tell me that you DON'T LIKE Xatu floating in the air forever?

>>389231891
as the other guy said, he just flies in the air lazily like all other birds, which is fucking retarded

>>389231891
Xatu was originally this neat totem bird. Now it just floats and looks stupid.

>>389231716
>float
What are you talking about? Less than ten out of 90+ flying mons float.

>>389231931
>>389231954
That's fucking dumb, but just what I'd expect from fucking gamefreak.

GF phone it in every time. They'd rather make something new to fill a role than buff old Pokemon.

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>>389232061
>>389232073
>Literally the only reason it's like this is because of those stupid fucking flying battles that no one actually did in XY
>Most flying Pokemon just float around, but water type Pokemon don't swim or anything

>>389232171
>float
What are you talking about? Less than ten out of 90+ flying mons float.

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>>389229501
Ledian is not usable in any situation. Not casually, not competitively. Its main claim to fame is learning Reflect, Light Screen, Ability and Baton Pass through its natural move learnset, but there's a million other Pokemon who pull off screen setup better by simply learning the moves through cheap TMs, and are you REALLY going to dedicate a slot on your team to Agility+Baton Pass?

>>389228929
His job is to buff team with screens/sguard/tailwind and u-turn. He's not a fighter. Cool if he was though.

>>389232445
Every single fully-evolved user of screens, safeguard, and u-turn Is better than ledian at doing it.

>>389233638
But are any of them as adorable though, hmm?

>>389228929
He just needs a mega form that just gives him a fuckton of special attack and thats it and he's good.
it will never happen though

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>>389233790
He needs at least 20 more points in speed too.

also
>tfw 35 base attack iron fist

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>tfw all your favorite pokemon have shallow as fuck movepools that make them incredibly predictable

>>389234017
Most Pokemon should have limited movepools.

The game would be a lot better if there weren't dozens and dozens of ultra powerful sweepers and wallbreakers that get flawless coverage.

Z-moves would be a lot less disgusting, too.

>>389234738
That would likely make it way too easy to stall, so there have to make other changes as well such as nerfing status effects and/or recovery.

>tfw some of my favorites have been blessed with great abilities and one of them got a mega
>but then lurantis exists

>>389231174
You have a good point. The main inspiration for the game is bug collecting, anyway.

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>My favourite pokemon isn´t good!!!!

>>389231704
Ledian is gen 2 dumbass

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>>389235786

I know that feel.

>>389235961
There's a difference between it not being good and it being completely irredeemable garbage, but I think you already know that, shitposter-kun.

>>389235961
OP here, my favorite Pokemon are Galvantula, Beeheeyem, Mandibuzz, and Golurk, so suck my cock. There's just no excuse for how atrocious ledian is. Other Pokemon that also had little though put into them have been updated and made better in one way, shape or form, and gf has been (generally) much smarter in how they distribute stats and moves to Pokemon that are supposed to be 'weak'

Also God gen 5 introduced so many cool pokemon.

>>389235961
I don't expect every pokemon to be some 600+BST monster, but it'd be nice if there weren't so many fully evolved pokemon with rock bottom BST.

>>389229501
GF can go fuck itself

>like a Pokemon from Kanto that isn't fucking starmie or a starter
>"no es shit"

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While we're on the topic of irredeemably bad Pokemon

>only thing it was good for was a thunder wave that could hit ground types

>glare is then made 100% accurate

I just want to use cute things

I mean shit you can make emolga useable why can't these things be

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>>389236358
too bad because clearly GF don´t think like that
Ledyba evolve at level 18 without any gimmick, wich means you will get an evolved mon early in the game, wich is why ledyba is available early in the game
This game is about collecting mons and all of them can be used without problems in the main game
Competitivefags can hit the fucking road

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>>389236678
>I just want to use cute things
You and me both. You should try out pic related if you haven't already.

>>389231174
Some of us just like filling the Pokedex. I've never battled Pokemon with anyone at all and I don't want to put the investment into it, I already had to do something similar in Digimon Cyber Sleuth and that was downright awful.

>>389236568
Yeah, no, away with your bait. A good number of Kanto mons are good if not decent. Only gen 2, 3 and 7 are full of shitmons. Wigglytuff and Farfetch'd aren't all, you know.

>>389228929
No because he's shit and better forgotten

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>when a pokemon would be good but because of the Speed stat's heavy importance it's dead before it even has a chance

>>389230514
My farfetch'd was op in my casual playing through of xy

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>>389236678
>glare is then made 100% accurate
when did this happen

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>the city of onix

>>389237112
Gen 6, but in the same gen Electric types were made immune to paralysis.

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>>389236678
IT'S YOUR GODDAMN FAULT FOR LIKING A POKEMON WHOSE DEX ENTRY LITERALLY SAYS IT'S SHIT AT BATTLES

WAAAH WHY ISN'T EVERY POKEMON IN OU WAAAH

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>>389236774
Too bad it's only decent stat doesn't even work because of its shit HP and base fucking 35 is not fully evolved for ANYTHING that's supposed to be attacking. Cyndaquil has base 60. It's noticeably shit in the main game.

But I'm replying to bait, anyway.

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>>389237192

>>389228929
Honestly one of my favourite designs.

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>>389237192
>make it good only at some shitty minigame

>remove the shitty minigame and don't give it anything else

No, fuck you

slow

defensive

ice type

>>389228929
>Ledianfags
Worse than flygonfags, worse than fucking fartfetishfags

>>389237348
It's pretty sad when all of the decent ice types consist of Weavile

>>389237239
>Everything is bait
I fell sorry for you

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>>389237381
Mamoswine
Cloyster

>>389234738
>really strong but with less coverage
>balanced stats with good coverage
>not everything can learn shit like toxic
Would fix a lot of issues

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>>389237394
You're not even trying now

>>389237348
Why the fuck do they keep shitting on ice types?

>>389237149
Onix was always supposed to be nothing more than an early game boss, they even gave it an evolution with better typing so it would be less shit

>>389237381
well there's Mamoswine

oh and Kyurem-B who's ice type is the only thing keeping him in OU

>>389237031
I've been thinking they should remove the speed stat from the game, and put in a fatigue system instead. It'd operate by the same stages as normal stat reductions, but be automatic. A couple pokes enter battle, start out at neutral. Then each turn, they lose one stage of speed with the same cap of six reductions. One critter faints, a new poke comes in, and it's now faster than the remaining one. Speed boosting moves or abilities raise the stages as applicable.

>>389237594
>a pokemon that once had the highest BST around and was also a box legend
>ou

>>389237535
an early game boss that couldn't do anything against any starter not named Pikachu. If you were some pleb that picked charmander you could just spam ember and probably burn it. Not like it has any sp def

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Let's fix it

Mega Ledian
Bug-Fighting
Huge power

HP: 55
ATK: 35 > 110 (220 in calculation with huge power)
DEF: 50 > 95
SPA: 55 > 15
SPD: 110 > 100
SPE: 85 > 115

>>389237720
>a pokemon that once had the highest BST around and was also a box legend
Arceus always had higher BST
and like I said, it's ice type is the only thing keeping him in OU, the fact that it's keeping him out of ubers is irrelevant

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>>389237394
Well if it isn't bait you were just being retarded, so...

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>cute
>faster than almost all pokemon introduced the same gen
>pollen puff

What went so right?

>>389237720
That was the point, its special was fucking shit so players would learn about certain moves being more effective than others, Yellow was the anime wank game so they gave you an early game Nido in case of Pikachu choking (it would)

>>389234017
I love Lilligant, and have had some success on teams with a lucky sleep powder/quiver dance/petal dance/whatever setup (or at least when it works), but it is a shame she learns so little.

>>389237535
Yeah, they upgraded it to a mid-game tier boss in Gen II. It's a shame too since Steelix wasn't even a hard fight, they could've buffed its stats a bit.

>>389237893
i wanna fuck the rimbombee

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>>389237757
>it's a "my idea for a Mega is giving it huge power" episode

>>389238086
Steelix doesn't need a stat boost, it needs reliable recovery

>>389238146
You come up with a way to give it a mega that actually makes actually worth bothering with then without huge/pure power

>>389236358
>but it'd be nice if there weren't so many fully evolved pokemon with rock bottom BST.
>magcargo.png

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>>389237893
Gf got their shit together with the weak pokemon.

It was so cool to find out that the pathetic-BST beginner butterfly was actually going to be really fucking good this time around.

Though Mothim has definately been at least decently useable since getting quiver dance. Anything can be made decently useable with an attacking stat over 60, a decent boosting move and at least one good STAB.

>>389238304
Give it a new ability that puts up Light Screen/Reflect when it's sent out/turns into a Mega. It fits more with Ledian's more defensive gimmick.

>>389237757
Here's how I fix it:

Mega Ledian
Bug-Flying
New Ability that turns all physical attacks directed against it into special ones

Huge HP Boost
Same ATK
Same DEF
Same SPA
Huge SPD Boost
Same SPE

There, I fixed it

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>>389238490
>Light screens on switch

>salvageable speed

>u-turn

Instant UU?

>>389238490
>whines about huge power
>meanwhile comes up with a super special snowlake ability instead

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>>389238534
Why tho

It doesn't need to be competively viable, just not as pathetically useless as it is.

I would be happy if they raised it's attack to 70-90 and dropped.

>>389238595
Huge Power is the most generic ability used when people try to buff a mon. And it doesn't even fit with Ledian as a Pokemon. That's like saying Mega Magcargo should have huge power. And so should Mega Farfetch'd. And Mega Luvdisc.

>>389238439
speed also matters, Butterfree with 40 additional points in speed could actually be UU material

>>389237669
I'm pretty sure VoltTurn teams would be way too fucking good with this change.

>>389238304

>Ability: Kaiser Fist
The user's Fist moves ignore 2/3rds of the target's Defense or Special Defense.

>>389238832
With ledian's design of four arms and super fast (albeit weak) punches, i'd like to see it's mega have an ability similar to parental bond or skill link, double down on the flurry of blows theme.

>>389239253
Ledian's attack is so terrible you could give it a 4x parental bond for punches and it still wouldn't be ou

>>389238086
steelix was the most commonly used physical tank along with skarmory in gen 2.

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>k-kill me...

>>389239780
It's funny how Ariados, his night time/exclusive equivalent is still leagues better. Ariados even got a good array of moves to use in later gens like sticky web.

>>389239780
the little texts for terrible pokemone are kinda fun

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>>389239909
>>389239780

>>389240254
...man I'd forgotten just how utterly and completely terrible delibird's stats are

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>>389238439
>been using the same Vivillon online since 2013
>it still works perfectly

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>>389240254
>Abilities
>Insomnia
>Vital Spirit

>>389240454
delibird is a sad joke, and GF knows it's a sad joke

>>389237757
Here's how to do it

Mega Ledian
Bug-Fighting
Multi-Fists (Punches may be able to hit 2-4 times with thr exception of Comet Punch)

HP: 55
ATK: 35 > 100
DEF: 50 > 40
SPA: 55 > 30
SPD: 110 > 120
SPE: 85 > 120

Now you have something medíocre to take down subs.

>>389240598
>4x PuP

>>389240598
*Also learns Shadow Punch, Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash and Sky Uppercut

>>389239430
With 4 hits it gets a 35% chance of elemental bonus effects. You could perhaps somehow combine burn stalling with offensive punching. Could be an interesting concept.

>>389240695
>implying it'll live that long

>>389241009
>baton pass cursed umbreon into mega ledian
>4x drain punch

please think things through

>>389241447
>55 HP with paper thin defense
SmogonBird used Peck!

>>389241545
>paper thin defense
you cant read can you?

>>389241585
>what the fuck is priority

>>389241447
Increasing defence will barely achieve anything when it's total hp is that low. It's why Mantine was useless until his hp buff, and why Shuckle isn't nearly as tanky as his stats would make it appear. Another notable one is Onix, who has a sky high defence stat, but his abysmal hp makes him not that tanky.

>>389241631
An attack that cant 1shot a theoretically curse baton passed mega ledian

>>389241698
>>theoretically

>>389241728
Is mega ledian real?

>>389241698
Fucking anything can be good when it's got +6 curses mongoloid.

>>389241761
I understand youre angry over this but please understand that your madeup ability that allows 4 drain punches in a row makes a pokemon that cant be one shot easily immortal in more cases than none

>>389241663
>onyx and shuckle have access to 4 drain punches in a single turn

yeah alright you got me there

>>389241859
I'm not even him but your argument that it's *op* after somehow managing to baton pass a million curses is awful.

>>389241980
>somehow
its actually not hard to do at all

>>389229501

what I want to know is why gamefreak hasn't gone the way of the superior stat system

keep bsts but let players allocate them manually

>>389241980
Im not sure why you think setting up something that cant be killed isnt op

>>389242131
That would be terrible.

>>389241447
If your opponent lets your umbreon set up to +6/+6 without phazing you've already won

>>389229501
Ledian is noticeably shit even in-game. It's one of the only Pokemon that are almost unusable in any circumstance.

>>389242172
>can't be killed
>no HP and defense
What's with you?
It's like you think a wormadam with maxed defense can survive anything.
They don't.

>>389242241
Wormadam has 4 drain punches in a row?
I concede. You got me.

>>389242305
The point being it wouldn't fucking survive to even punch in the first place, you goddamn acephalous monkey.

>>389242359
It would if set up properly. If you focused on that instead of thinking up fancy insults you would understand.

>>389242359
Lmao dude relax. Youre getting all hot over pokemon and shit.
It doesnt matter dude lmao

>>389237757
>110 (220 in calculation with huge power)
That is not how this works.

>>389242428
Why is what happens after maxed out Baton Passing relevant?
And Drain Punch is easy to stop. Use something with good resistance or a ghost.

>>389242359
Youve been wanting to use acephalous in a sentence for a while now, havent you?

>>389242359
Its tome to stop posting if youre going to have a tantrum over pokemon.

>>389241447
>my Mega Ledian is great when I pass 6 curses to it!
Your great idea requires you to be matched against either a five-year-old or a drooling retard. A Shrekle meme is typically a nightmare after 8 Accupressures but that doesn't make it a good Pokemon.

>>389241761
> Go Ditto!
Get fucked.

>>389236678
Wasn't this basically made for contests only?

>>389230514
Farfetch'd got guaranteed crits in XY, and an extra +25 in attack in S/M. It's still shit, but at least they TRIED to fix it.

>>389237757
nice minmaxing lol

>>389228929
Not every pokemon is designed for competition.
There is no fix for ledian, it's just a fucking Ledian, you need some filler pokemon that just exist for no specific purpose, like real animal, stop imposing your cuckfighting standards to pokemons.

>>389242189
Why's that? People already hack to give the pokemon the stats they want and IV's and EV's are just egg hatcher simulators.

>>389246116
>slightly raising some stats is the same thing as choosing the stats in the first place
Come on.

>>389246116
Not him but it would massively reduce the pool of viable pokemon. IVs are admittedly shit but EVs already exist as a method of customization. Don't mix them up, EVs have nothing to do with breeding.

>>389229501
inb4 Smogon gets triggered