What's /v/'s opinion about the Final Fantasy franchises

fujoshibaiting trash. series is dead

Too much focus on named characters instead of jobs. Switches settings and theme too much. Needs it's own basketball game after guest starring in Hoops 3v3.

>>389217894
Hasn't added anything of note in over ten years, but I'm still fond of what came before. I'll probably start up a run through FF7 for its 20th anniversary this week.

>>389217894

XIII>XIV>XV

>still no FFT2
Dead franchise.

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It's shit

Lightning Returns had one of the most fun battle systems in a JRPG.

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>>389217894
I only play Mobius and collect pictures of Lightning so I guess I like it fine

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>Not starting with XII

>XII is (if not the best) the most complete FF in the series.
>XIII is great in what it does, high concept story and great re imagining of ATB but totally absent in everything else you'd expect from an RPG
>XIV is addictive but I'm not not into mmos and I just play it like a single player game
>XV is super comfy and unique in its battle system ( and ignoring the almost obligatory "muh Versus" reactions) it's a good re introduction to the series.
>Type-0 grind for years and years. I'll let you know in a decade.

>>389217894
MMO is good.

13 and 15 are trash.

At least, they released 12 at pc.

>>389217894
XIV the only decent one.

>ff13
Made by a crazed waifufag with absolute shit gameplay with an actually interesting world.
Too much focus on the characters and not the journey.
>ff14
lolmmo but YoshiP is doing the best of a bad situation I feel.
>ff15
Marketing gone wrong. Too much of a money pit. The game switched directors too fucking much. The 'final' product doesn't feel final at all. Of the two major scenes advertised only one made it into the game and it was butchered to shit. The core gameplay and 'roadtrip' feel is actually fun, but everything surrounding it is straight shit. Shame too, the setting and world have so much potential for an amazing journey.

Everything before this is good desu
of these three 14 isn't even *bad* it's just a shallow mmo, but it does what it sets out to do well. 15 is just not finished and has the worst marketing ever, and 13 is fucking horrible.

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>>389217894
I'll buy almost anything with the name desu. I'll admit it.

>>389217894

Not as good as their PS1 counterparts, but still fun. Hopefully they'll go back to that style for XVI and beyond, but I can't say I didn't have fun with XIII, XIV and XV.

>>389218534

XII has the worst story in a FF game after VIII. The game literally dies after the prologue.

>>389219093
The story is fine. The problem is that Vaan is still presented as the protag even though he's just a lense for the player.

The series is dead to me.

Enjoyed XIV but got tired of the theme park setup

XV was an ok RPG but has nothing that will be memorable years later beyond it's music.

XVI will probably be the last game I will ever play in the series, if I'm still alive by that time.

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>>389217894
Lost sight of itself. It's telling because XIV, the damn MMO has more final fantasy in it than our last 2 main entry final fantasies.

>>389219332
Honestly should of just been 4 characters, basch, ashe, balthier and Fran. Vaan and penelo were useless.

>>389217894
Used to be mediocre yet lovable. Is now polished ass gravy and detestable.

Who's the girl at the middle?

>>389219332

The story is abysmal, the party has no chemistry, Basch manages to be more one-note than Stein from IX, Ashe looks bored 90% of the time, Vaan is a non-character, as is Penelo and Fran is only there for Mist exposition.

The only good parts are the the prologue and the politics cutscenes in the capital of the Empire. The game is good, but the story is terrible.

>>389220010
Some random Miqo'te red mage from XIV.

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>>389220010
It's just a catgirl Red-Mage from XIV.

Wait, why does everyone hate FFXV so much? Explain.

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>>389218293

>>389217894
I like XIII, XIV is fun for a while but two expansions in they still stick to the exact same formula from ARR and it's getting really stale. Dropped XV halfway through and have no desire to finish it. Record Keeper is the best recent FF game.

>>389220415
blatant advertisement (assassin's creed and cup noodles) and a week second half

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>>389220010

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>>389220415
No Stella.

>>389220415
>Wait, why does everyone hate FFXV so much? Explain.

it's fine. /v/ is just the cesspool of shitposting for famous franchises.

>>389220415
Because it's almost effectively a non-final fantasy game riding off the coattails of the franchise for attention, and it has no business being a mainline entry. This does make sense as it was originally intended as a spinoff (Versus XIII) which would make more sense, but for some reason SE decided to rework it into 15.

Also I'm willing to wager many of SE's other projects suffered as a result of Vs.XIII/XV wasting so much of their money of it's dev period. There's a reason they keep pushing XV content/crossovers etc. in desperation to make make the money they've lost. Similar story with why XIII-2 & XIII-3 exist.

>>389220660
even if it meant being PS3 only it would have been worth it

>>389220415
They have Aranea pants

>>389220682
>Unfinished
>Open world with tons of invisible walls
>MMO tier fetch quests
>Combat lacks any sort of launchers
>Hitstun is almost nonexistent
>Half to watch a movie to even appreciate the plot
It is absolutely not fine in any sense of the word, the game is still receiving essential gameplay and story content almost a year after release. This is unprecedented and quite frankly embarrassing. It's the worst AAA game to come out in the past five years.

>>389217894

It's crap for fags and girls who think hairstyles and outfits are the most important parts of a game.

>>389217894
12 was the last good one, and it's a shame that only became apparent later on. It deserved better than getting shat on when it came out.

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>>389220478
It sure looks neat. What about BE?

>>389220998
>Unfinished single player MMO
Deserves all the hate it gets.

>>389220893
Even with TEN YEARS behind it, it still manages to be a steaming pile of shit compared to it's predecessors. I really want to see all the scrapped material for the game. I want to know just how much in terms of resources/assets/writing/etc. was wasted in favour of this painfully mediocre final product of 10 years work.

>>389217894
A lifeless husk.

>>389220769

XV is more of a FF game than VIII, XI, XII and XIII, though.

>>389220502
>blatant advertisement (assassin's creed and cup noodles) and a week second half
>>389220660
>No Stella.

Pretend upset for losing nomura's random concepts because too butthurt to admit they didn't like the game.
Totally not shitposting.

>>389220893
original shit applicate in any modern open world game
Totally not shitposting.

>>389221138
Well we know from trailers that the Insomnia invasion was originally going to be playable rather than delegated to a movie and the Leviathan sequence was going to play out much different, hopefully the original vision wasn't the Sonic 06 tier shitfest we got.

>>389221124
>>Unfinished single player MMO

XII is now unfinished. GUYS WTF with these memes.

>>389217894
XV>XIV>XIII

>>389221249
Please tell me one open world game to be recently released that is still receiving both essential gameplay content as well as story content.

13 - shit
14 - good
15 - shit

>>389221217
Fuck off xv-kun you fucking faggot

>>389221342

Underage please leave. If you weren't around when shit was hitting the fan during FF XII's development back in the day, you don't deserve to be here.

>>389221342
12 is legit unfinished, the development cycle was an absolute mess, worse than XV

yet despite that it's eons ahead of 13/15, just goes to show how leadership is important

>>389221381
all of them ?

>>389221350
>XV>XIV>XIII

From a classic FF sense this is correct but unfair. XIV is still great for an mmo and XIII is the most meta FF there is.

Should I get TZA? I heard XII is pretty polarizing so Im not sure but apparently TZA got great reviews.

>>389221610
>great reviews

every FF gets great reviews, even the shitstains 13/15, means nothing

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>>389221695

>>389221542
Give a specific example of a game that has released in a state as unfinished as XV where things like multiplayer, off road driving, a reworking of a chapter, story content that was obviously cut from the game to be resold as DLC where all added post launch.

>>389221038
BE has its moments, but the gacha is ass, the fights that are both challenging and fun are few and far between and actual FF characters are largely overshadowed by OC donuts while characters like damn near the entire cast of VI are relegated to dumpster trash tier units. The grind is also a lot more time consuming than it is in RK which I really don't like in a mobile game.

>>389221610

It's fun if you like worldbuilding, but it's shit story and gameplay-wise.

>>389221806
>shit story
FF has always had shitty generic stories so I dont really mind
>gameplay-wise
That might be a deal breaker. In what ways is it shit?

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>>389221217
Fine, have your (You) for managing to irritate me.

Not enough fantasy...but too much fantasy in 13.

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>>389221843
Have you ever considered watching gameplay and forming your own opinion?

>>389217894
The worst it has ever been. VII remake will be horribly disappointing as well.

>>389221610
I'm playing through it now. The story is basically Final Fantasy: Star Wars, so take or leave that, but the gameplay is pretty fun. The job system was a nice addition, and there's plenty of content.

>>389221610
>Should I get TZA?

yes. pro tip: don't ever ask for FF advice on /v/, you will get the most sanic tier obsessed shit posters you can imagine. LOOK AT THIS THREAD, there is not a single chin not in dire need of a beard to define it. RUN.

>>389221498
>12 is legit unfinished
>>389221472
>Underage please leave.

>game is objectively the most complete FF game in the franchise.
>call the "lol incomplete AAA game" meme to justify retarded opinion.

>>389221542
I love XIV, XV just ticked a lot of my personal boxes. I don't hate XIII, I just don't enjoy it as much as the other two, since I only really liked the gameplay and a few characters.

FFXV is fine, it's just boring most of the time. So, I guess it's still shit-tier for a Final Fantasy game.

>>389221970
I guess I'm being lazy but I just wanted opinions. I honestly can't tell if a game's fun or not until I actually play it myself. Gameplay videos don't really give me a good idea if the game would be fun for me, ironically enough.

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I listen to certain songs from FFX / FFXIII soundtrack almost everyday

>>389221975
>Final Fantasy: Star Wars
That's FF II, even Square admitted they took a lot of inspiration from SW.

>>389222071
FFXII plays somewhat similarly to an MMO, just more streamlined. The combat system is based around gambits which you assign in a hierarchical order for each player. So if you have the following gambits
>Heal >50% health
>Attack closest enemy
>Heal >30% health
Then the priority for the AI will be to heal any ally under 50% health, if no one meets that condition then it moves to the next one and will attack the closet enemy. You can also individually control all characters but the game is optimized and built around mostly using gambits.

It can be fun at times, particularly post game content but can also be a bit boring for early sections of the game.

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>>389218534
>Played 1, 6, 7, 14, and WoFF
>Forget about 7 after finishing the bombing mission
>Forget about 6 after the party gets split up
>Forget about 1 after getting fucking lost
>Have fun with XIV until beating Heavensward where I got completely burnt out
>Actually finished and had the most fun with WoFF
I don't know what's wrong with me. Maybe the reason I didn't finish the first 3 was because I was emulating them. I'm doing the same with 9 right now and while I enjoy it so far the combat's a bit too slow.

>>389222205
And it's FFXII as well. Nobody's claiming Square are above rehashing.

>>389218162
t.newfag to FF
What do you mean by jobs?

XV is an improvement over XIII. I haven't played XIV because I'm not paying for a sub, and I haven't played XI because it's still has a sub after all this time. XII is one of my favorites in the series.

I wish they'd just go back to the ATB system every once in a while. I get trying to reinvent the series, but there's nothing wrong with revisiting what works every once in a while.

>>389222316
im talking about myself btw not you
>>389218162

>>389217894
Last one I enjoyed was X. Everything after has been pretty average.

>>389221739
>the one FF with a shitty score is now the best one in over 10 years

If yoshida turned this piece of shit around, he should do the next single player FF as well. Even if he's an MMOfag, can't be worse than t*bata and t*riyama

>>389222316
Jobs are distinct party roles, like knight/thief/white mage/black mage. Too many FF games now end up with all characters being honogeneous and interchangeable by the endgame.

>>389221989

The most complete is VI.

>>389221975

Yes, it's Star Wars if every character was a personality-less robot and the scenes had no connection after the prologue.

>>389221843

Imagine if all batlles, except for 4-5 espers, had the same strategy, which involved a character with Curaja when HP < 40% and two characters with Foe nearest = attack. Now imagine not clicking a button for hours.

>>389222489
>FFXIV in release is the same XIV today.
Retard alert.

>>389222234
>FFXII plays somewhat similarly to an MMO

what you are describing is nothing like an mmo.

>>389222516
>Yes, it's Star Wars if every character was a personality-less robot and the scenes had no connection after the prologue.
So it's Star Wars.

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>>389222316

>>389222543
says the idiot who can't read

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>>389222381
Free trial up to level 35.

>>389222587
>old free trial was 2 weeks free where you could get to 50 and experience the good content
>new one is only up to 35 before any of the good shit

well done yoshi

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What did he mean by this?

>>389222516
>The most complete is VI.

it's like talking middle ages when games where made by 10 people and modern times where games need hundreds of people and multiple studios.

>>389222426
>Last one I enjoyed was X.

I remember enjoying X at the time, but it has the least lasting appeal. Horrid characters, terrible designs in everything, basic battles. XII and XV are my current favourite 3D/modern FF games.

>>389222686
>2 weeks free where you could get to 50 and experience the good content
The level cap for the old trial was like 20 or some shit

>>389222784
forget I said anything then, it's hard to demo this game when the beginning is the shittiest

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>>389222753
>What did he mean by this?

Tabata is the genious who managed to make a modern rpg, a Final Fantasy no less, in 3 years.

>>389222516
FF12's scene progression is fine, but the characters are extremely dull. In fairness Star Wars suffers from the same problem, and the only character who had a personality of their own was Han Solo. Ironically the only character in FF12 who has anything resembling personality is his shameless rip-off Balthier.

>>389217894

FFIX was the last good FF game and then I stopped paying attention to the franchise.

>>389222095
Sauce?

>dont give a shit about final fantasy
>in fact think its completely overrated and people praise the series games more than they're worth
>friend gets me to play FFXIV
>can't stop playing

enjoy it from an mmo and social standpoint
but god damn i dont understand 99% of the millions of references they slap at me

>>389222931
Those two statements are mutually exclusive. You can't claim the last game you played was the last good one, because you're unaware of what happened afterwards.
and also because FFIX wasn't good

>>389218534
>XII, XIII, XIV AND XV apologist at the same time
>Complains about Type-0 when it's the least terrible and most complete though all of them are still garbage

>>389222897
>Ironically the only character in FF12 who has anything resembling personality is his shameless rip-off Balthier.

How in the name of the good lord FF XII rips anything from the lol fest that is Star Wars ?
Just finished the game and this feels like an insult.

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>>389222753
What did HE mean by THIS?

>>389223113
>>XII, XIII, XIV AND XV apologist at the same time

>>389221989
MUST POST PICTURE OF A FINELY DEFINED /CLEAN SHAVED CHIN TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY

>>389223063
>mfw opposite for me, love FF but don't play MMOs

I hate MMOs and XIV has all the crap I hate like awful MMO gameplay, tons of needless walking around or paying to fast travel, a billion fetch quests, and a horribly barebones story. I've never understood the "social" aspect in MMOs, if I wanted to chat about vidya I'd meet my friends and play stuff like Halo 2.

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>>389222753
Something like this.

>>389223106

It wasn't the last game I played. I should have been more clear. I followed the franchise for a few more main installments (X, X-2, XII, XIII) and liked each one dramatically less than the last, concluded that the height of my enjoyment was with FFIX and wrote off the FF franchise as a mudslide of downhill quality that will never recover.

XII is the only good FF

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>>389223461

>the worst FF is the only good one

>>389222753
>2007-2011
>Tabata made an Action FF game with 14 unique playable characters with unique special attacks and tons of different spells
>But FF XV is Noctis-onry plus no magic

>>389223171
>cocky rogue with loose morals, a tall animalistic companion and his own aircraft assists a displaced royal in striking at the empire who displaced her, and who are secretly researching terrible new technology that will swing the balance permanently in their favor if it succeeds
>also there's a bratty kid tagging along to get away from his dreary sand-hole homeland
How does it not? The ripoff is what makes it insulting.

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>>389223447
Freeeeee triaaal

XIV is good enough to keep my MMOboner sated, but I can understand why XI fans don't like it.

>>389223272
I don't think we'll ever top this moment ever.

>>389223594
He said XII not XV.

>>389223461
LMFAO ROFL LOL XD

>>389223661
My friend talked me into buying the whole thing plus subscription.

It looks damn nice and I love the FF references, but god damn, the MMO elements and the gameplay make me want to kill myself. Shouldn't have bought it, MMOs are such a scam.

>>389217894
shit on rollerskates.

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>>389223113
Type-0 was awful on the PS4 in 2015. Maybe it was fun on the PSP in 2011, but it felt like a clunky, truncated mess on an 8th gen home console. Loved the character design and setting though.

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>>389223970
>Tabata game is awful
More news at 10.

Garbage. Hasnt been good since 10 and 15 is a new low.

>>389223970
Type-0's console port actually works against it. Like you said, most people judge the console port which was not only an ugly piece of shit with wired hair rendering, it was also riddled with performance issues that the original didn't have.

Not to mention the initial development was done for mobile phones and then cancelled and moved to PSP.

Type-0 had a shit ton of problems because Tabata is a hack, but it was a decent handheld Action game for the PSP. Hell, I enjoyed Type-0's gameplay more than whatever the hell FF XV was trying to be.

>>389223642
>How does it not? The ripoff is what makes it insulting.

lol no. nothing of what you said is right. is "cocky rogue" Balthier ? really ?

>>389224486
You can't possibly be this stupid.

>>389224424
>Type-0's console port actually works against it.

calling bs on the entire post. you didn't play the game.

>>389224579
>You can't possibly be this stupid.

oh don't stupid me. what you started saying is beyond retarded and I intent to have fun: is "cocky rogue" Balthier ?

foh realz ?

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Tabata is taking the company and series in a horrible fucking direction. I hope you you didn't like complete, singleplayer experiences because Tabby's Universe jew-ry and "Games as a platform" philosphy are the standard now.

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>>389224606
I played the original PSP one in Japanese and a second time when it got a translation patch.

The HD version, I dropped an hour into it. How do you play it without your eye bleeding?

>>389224753
How is Balther not a fucking cocky rogue? He's the fucking archetype.

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>>389224839
Might as well post this.

>>389223642
>cocky rogue with loose morals,
wrong
>a tall animalistic companion
wrong
>a displaced royal
wrong
>striking at the empire
wrong
>who displaced her
wrong
>terrible new technology
wrong
>also there's a bratty kid tagging along
I'm losing my ability to even.

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>>389224839
I prefer that to what they did with XIII.

>>389225084
Balthier.
Fran.
Ashe.
Ashe's entire deal is reclaiming her throne from the empire.
Yes, the empire displaced her.
Vaan.
How am I wrong?

>>389224960
>How is Balther not a fucking cocky rogue? He's the fucking archetype.

great, now I have to waste my time owning someone who obviously thought: hmm XII has an empire, it's a total star wars rip off !

>>389225227
Go ahead and actually start proving me wrong then.

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>>389224606
>calling bs on the entire post. you didn't play the game

Did they patch all the technical issues?

>>389223621

Don't forget controllable summons instead of instant "I win" buttons, and characters that could actually die instead of ez mode potions that you can use at any time.

>>389225139
What? Complete game sequels? Yes, the sequels were unnecessary, but at least they were games and felt like full games. The issue of milking XIII is just a larger issue with SE in general, but I'd fucking prefer milking with complete game experiences than just random, shovelware and calling back all the VAs and team to do a fucking pointless AC promotion.

If XVI ever happens at this point and they don't just keep milking XV forever for some reason, I'd like to see the job system return for a game that isn't a spin-off or an MMO and more control over your own party members, and maybe try to give the combat some kind of depth to it, I don't care if it's real time or turn based, just give it some more challenge in the main game.
I didn't really mind the idea of the setting for XV, I kind of like the idea of having an RPG set in modern-ish times, but fighting stuff in that game was so fucking dull, and it didn't help that your party members seemed more like enemy distractions than actual useful fighters, and how magic was practically detrimental to use because you would end up hitting either your party members or you. Often times fighting felt like a chore rather than something I enjoyed doing, and it wasn't helped by the constant "IMPERIALS ABOVE US" shit. Also holding down buttons to do basic attacking and defending is just dumb, and whoever thought of that idea should just be fired and not be allowed to work on any type of game involving real time action again ever. I know you can just press the button but it doesn't seem like the game was really designed around it, especially when you try to block/dodge trough pressing rather than holding.

Oh yeah, and summons being "get-out-of-death-free cards" was the most disappointing shit, especially because of how random they can be, and I think one of them was even locked to easy mode. What the fuck were they thinking?

Really, I just want XVI to not be XV

>>389225381
Well the XIII sequels were because there was a massive amount of unused assets for XIII, the game went through development hell was well, and XIV 1.0 just might be the biggest failure in all of gaming so the sequels were a quick way to make some quick money.

Makes perfect sense from SE's perspective, I also enjoyed XIII-2 a lot.

>>389225304

They did lower the blur but it still looks like total shit because half of the game's textures haven't been touched and the animations are still as stiff and lifeless as they were on the PSP version.

>>389223621
It's almost like he had to fix a project that had spent the last half of a decade going nowhere.

If they knew what was good for them they would give XIV all the love because it's the only thing offsetting the failures that were XIII and XV. Sadly you just know that XIV money is being siphoned to feed the frankenstein monster that is XV.

>>389225381
>but at least they were games and felt like full games.
If FF13-2's 25 hour long campaign was a full game, then FF15 was an odyssey.

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>>389225926
>Two of the best selling games in the franchise
>Failures

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>>389225279
>Go ahead and actually start proving me wrong then.

Disclaimer: I don't hate Star Wars, it was great for its time.

The most obvious and moronic comparison is that star wars starts RIGHT OFF THE BAT with the cheesiest premise of an EVIL EMPIRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGsKzZtRwxw

The Archadian Empire is not evil, it's been in a struggle to balance the power between the senate and the Emperor and some other key figures. During most of the game there is a race for a peace full solution between the kingdoms.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Archadia

>>389225173
>Balthier.
A former Judge of the empire, rogue because of certain reasons. Nothing cocky or reckless or of lose morals.
>Fran
not anthropomorphic
>Ashe
Ashe, Basch, Recks and Gabranth are part of the main plot of the game and cannot be reduced to a "displaced royalty".
> researching terrible new technology
no they are trying to replicate the power of the cystals
>will swing the balance permanently in their favor if it succeeds
WHO IS THEY, there are so many different interests in the empire alone.

what you are saying is so generic you are forcing me to explain the entire story.

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>>389226005
>Two of the best selling games in the franchise

Citation por favor

>>389224606
is type 0 worth playing? how about the psp version?

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>>389226360
Keep in mind, XV isn't even a year old and has almost sold more than XII.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Square-Enix_games

>>389226360
>Citation por favor

burden of proof is on the dipshit who called the games failures.

>>389226460
Honestly, pirate the PSP version or buy the remaster version cheaply. It's a cool idea in theory, but poorly executed. Combat sucks, the story is barely explained (I platinumed the game and barely understood what was going on) and is grindy unless you exploit the game.

>>389226460
>is type 0 worth playing?
kinda but don't ever expect to complete it or get closure. the game is an endless grid-althon.

>>389226460
>how about the psp version?
lol no. the guy was just trying to shit on Tabata. the game is "fine" on PS4/PC but it's shit on PSP.

>>389218391
>What is FFTA?

>>389220415
music
the game is plain. no personality.

>>389223692
we all just going to ignore II or is it shitpost hour already?

>>389226645
>kinda but don't ever expect to complete it or get closure. the game is an endless grid-althon.
That's why I used the EXP exploit.

>>389225872
>It's almost like he had to fix a project that had spent the last half of a decade going nowhere

U wot m8, Type-0's development was from 2007-2011, and then he was working on stuff like The Third Birthday, Tabata didn't take over Versus XIII until 2014.

>>389225998
You're making the wrong comparison. Compare XIII milking to XV milking.

>XIII-2
>LR

vs

>Monsters of the Deep
>King's Knight
>King's tale
>Justice Monsters V

>>389217894
I'm glad it's dead

>>389226490
Sure it's doing well from a glance, but I wonder how it's doing relative to it's own budget expenses.

>>389226892
I was talking about how he had to trim down on XV's features because he had to salvage the project.

>>389227017
Don't forget the greatest game of all time: FFXV: A New Empire!

>>389226490
For 10 years of hype, an aggressive marketing campaign, keeping their Golden Boy Nomura and tons of their A-Team working on it for a good 5-6 years, it better sell well or else Square would be in trouble.

>>389227110
Considering XV made all its money back on day one, I'd say pretty good.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/final-fantasy-xv-made-all-of-its-money-back-on-release-day-3450516

>>389226892
>Tabata didn't take over Versus XIII until 2014.

That's what he meants. Versus was going nowhere for years.

>>389225315
>characters that could actually die instead of ez mode potions that you can use at any time.

oh yeah, the retard who spams about XV having many potions, something unheard of in a FF game

>>389227137
Whoops, I misunderstood. Yeah, I don't think anyone making the original Versus XIII even knew what to actually do.

It's like half the team wanted to make an RPG and the other half wanted to make an Action game and then Tabata was given a clusterfuck of features and bits of pieces of an unfinished game.

>>389227290
I wholeheartedly do not believe 10 years of development money was made back on day 1.

>>389227338
The game didn't enter full scale development until ~2011.
https://www.wired.com/2011/07/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-update/

>>389227017
>>389227161
I'd much rather that than canons sequels that destroy any and all lore or character consistency in the game. Hell, I love A New Empire. It's a great way to milk mobile players. Who gives a fuck about them? But throw in a shitty, reused asset filled sequel made in half the time of the original instead? You're crazy.

>>389227161
The trailers for A New Empire are fucking amazing, I can't stop laughing at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVhP0MAfXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMjYPDmAj8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28wx4Rzy0lw

>>389227396
Nah there was multiple cinematics in 06 & gameplay in 08
They were pouring money into it before 2011

>>389226490
>Literal Uncharted rip-off pretending to be Tomb Raider sold 11 million

Fucking hell, classic Tomb Raider is dead.

>>389227569
No one in public saw any gameplay until 2011 and it was the same type of "gameplay" we saw in 2013. Everything up until 2011 was a unabashed CG trailer.

>>389227396
They still had big trailers and initial gameplay shown before that. Though a good deal of it was Nomura dicking around with CG cutscenes.

>>389227310

You're absolutely braindead if you think using potions mid-battle is consequence free in other FF games like it is in XV.

>>389227017
>Compare XIII milking to XV milking.

yeah compare two full games against some mobile shit. totally exposed bro.

>>389226314
Whoever was the piece of shit that said "lol XII ripped off Star Wars" and made me waste my time, fuck you. The game is based around a knight wrongfully accused for killing the king before a peace treaty. Totally star wars.

XIV is a shitty wow clone.

XI was the most authentic FF in terms of job design and immersion.

XIII and XV are shit, the rest are solid.

>>389227651
public gameplay was shown in 2010 TGS & it was pretty impressive

I remember people saying it was easily the best looking PS3 game

>>389225998
>If FF13-2's 25 hour long campaign was a full game
But it was. It had a start, an arc and an ending (DLC sequel hook notwithstanding). Characters had clear goals you could relate to and the pacing was on point.
A game doesn't need to be 100+ hours long to be considered full, it needs to be a tight thought-out experience.

>>389227632
Uncharted is a Tomb Raider reboot ripoff with quips.

>>389227806
Oh, okay. No gameplay until 3 months before 2011. And just 20 seconds of it. But it looked better than uncharted 2 and God of War 3.

>>389227846
b-but it would have been so much better if they'd padded it out with tons of bullshit!

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>>389227161

>>389227803
>XI is, was, and always will be the most authentic FF in terms of job design and immersion.

Fixed that for you.

>>389227803
XI was a shitty EQ clone.

XIV is the most authentic FF in terms of job design and immersion.

XIII and XV are shit, the rest are solid.
ftfy

>>389227569
>Nah there was multiple cinematics in 06 & gameplay in 08

it has been confirmed that was just a bunch of people jerking around Nomura's drawings and ideas. they never poured real money into it. no square enix studio ever worked on a game called Versus.

>>389227765
>You're absolutely braindead
ok you are right go to bed.

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>>389227803
>XIV is a shitty wow clone.
>XI was the most authentic FF in terms of job design and immersion.
But XI was a shitty Everquest clone to begin with

>>389227982
>>389227987
savage

>>389227963
this

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>>389227846
>LIGHTNING IS GETTING A SEQUEL GUYS
>With TIME TRAVEL and RETCONNING THE ENDING OF FFXIII
>Oh, and you just play as Serah and her new boyfriend, Not-Snow

>>389228147
And despite this, it's somehow still a good game.

Also fuck you, the best part about Serah and Noel was that they had good chemistry without a hint of romance.

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>>389228327
Listen to this guy he knows what he's talking about.

>>389227982
>>389227987
Everquest clone yes, shit no. And fucking lol to ffxiv having the better job design, summoner is literally a wow warlock and they admitted there won't be anymore base jobs like arcanist or rogue. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense and go teleport to your daily dungeon, then come back when you've got locked out of your weekly raid and have nothing better to do but take pictures of your mithra.

>>389228327
>And despite this, it's somehow still a good game.

oh boy. The main theme XIII was desperately trying to establish for 50 hours was the meta idea that your drama does not make you stronger -contrary to everything FF stories have been doing. It was literally FF: no more heroes.

XIII-2: LIGHTNING IS A HERO because of reasons FIGHTING A SPACE INDIAN because loli problems

>>389227418
That's not the point. The point is that, moving forward with the series, "Universe expanding" (milking) with complete game experiences, like sequels >>>> pointless and shameless shovelware shit that has nothing to do with the game. Or worse, it has something to do with the game, but it's cut from the actual game and sold as another piece of content, like KG.

So XIII-2 and LR aren't the best examples of sequels? Ok. That only means they need to make worthwhile complete game experiences when they decide to milk. Are you seriously going to argue a landfill of shovelware garbage over the potential for a great prequel or sequel game?

>>389218534

But 12 is an MMO without anything that makes an MMO good. The combat is so automatic it puts 13's auto-battle to shame.The second half of that game you can go through only touching the X button to skip dialogue.

>>389227983
Those cinematics were not cheap, they cost a lot of money

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What went wrong?

>>389217894
Its mediocre and a huge step back from story execution compared to the older ones.

Square enix really needs to get their shit together and decide what they want to do with the future final fantasy games.

Personally i hope they start going back to standalone game instead of the trilogy bullshit they did with lightning and ff15.

Also no announcement dates either, the version of ff15 thats out now had 3 years of development.

>>389228540
>LIGHTNING IS A HERO
Except Lightning does jackshit in XIII-2 beyond guiding her sister on a path that ends in her dead and the universe irreparably damaged. XIII-2's premise is fucking weird, but I absolutely have to respect it for setting you up against impossible odds and actually following through with it instead of some last minute bullshit turning the tide in your favor. The game hammers in the fact that Serah will die and no matter what happens, Caius is going to win and both of those things actually happen.

>>389228684
>Are you seriously going to argue a landfill of shovelware garbage over the potential for a great prequel or sequel game?
Well, after FFX-2, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis, FFXII Revenant Wings, FFIV The After Years, FFXIII-2 and LRXIII, YES, I DON'T WANT ANYMORE FINAL FANTASY SEQUELS OR PREQUELS. THEY'RE GOD AWFUL AT MAKING THEM.

The last good FF was Dissidia and they'll never make even a 7/10 game again.
and the best FF is V

>>389219093
I just finished XII for the first time after only getting through Lhusu Mines back on PS2 and I can say this is true. I was so excited to return to the game because it started with such a bang and had such a great setting and characters that I was sure it was going to be one of, if not THE best story in the mainline games. However, it's a lot of pointless meandering and then an incredibly shit climax and the worst final boss since...shit, Cloud of Darkness, maybe?

Franchise jumped the shark after they started playing like any generic RPG and the classic ATB was done away with.

>>389229381
Well, we clearly don't live in a timeline where SE will release a complete Final Fantasy experience that: underwent smooth development, fulfilled its vision to near perfection, and isn't milked to death only 9 months later because they've moved on.

So because milking is inevitable at this point, I just want it to be more classy than A New Empire or whatever other pointless thing they released that no one asked for.

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>all I want is more Tactics Ogre and gameplay and stories like it so I can strategize heavily with custom teams
>even a damn phone game if it could replicate it
>FF15 has Tactics Ogre references but has shit gameplay and a paywall
>nothing

Square why

>>389230292
>>FF15 has Tactics Ogre references but has shit gameplay and a paywall

XV, paywall ?!

I actually tried ff14 trial and liked it at first but then I kept seeing fetch quests, hearing about endgame being raids, and people talking about rotations, and then remembered I fucking hate mmos and quit.

>>389230740
I meant 14, my apologies. Typo.

>>389230740
yeah dude, you have to buy the fucking game

>>389230819
lord forbid

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I played a few of the main games and well I don't get the hype, it's mediocre with a large budget.

The side games are amazing though like tactics, woff and crisis core.

>>389217894
It started dying with 9's soulessness, it was briefly revived with 11 and 12 but ultimately destroyed by 13. Nothing truly good has come from Final Fantasy since 2006. It is possible that 14 may have eventually become good if anybody could be bothered to fix it instead of replacing it with a diffferent game and having the gall to call that 14 as well. But this did not happen.

>>389219332
>The story is fine.

Fuck no. Antagonists had very little presence or personal connection with protagonists, entire last act was quite obviously missing, and the final boss decided to fight the party because fuck you despite having no real disagreement with them anymore, and not even an excuse after the rebels offered surrender.

>>389227569
>multiple cinematics in 06 & 'gameplay' in 08
I fixed your mistake. Protip: all Square Enix gameplay videos from before the final year of development are mockups. Bet you think there are FF7 remake gameplay videos too. There are not. I bet it's not even a game yet.

>>389217894
I have mixed feelings, the quality is drastically different from game to game. I Liked 4 better than 5 despite it having better gameplay. 7 is horribly overrated 9 was way better. Didn't like 8 at all. 10 is my personal favorite. 12 has the best story in the series but I fucking hate the gameplay literally unplayable garbage. 13 is bad 13-2 was good. 15 was fun despite half finished,

>>389231437

i think you are lowkey lying. no one* really like tactics THAT much.

*except ff hipsters who spam about IX all the time.

>>389232462
>Antagonists had very little presence or personal connection with protagonists

lol no. XII has the best antagonist escalation in a FF game

FF Tactics is by far the best game in the series.

>>389232834
>15 was fun despite half finished,

In an autistic way I hate when people say unfinished because that's technically wrong. The game has a proper ending. It is finished. It is the story through out the game that was not adequately developed.

>>389233075
it has ending, not really a proper ending because the rest of the story unsatisfying. that is because huge portions of the original story were cut due to time restraints. that is why we say it unfinished.

>>389232910
>XII has the best antagonist escalation in a FF game

Yeah, random asshole judges who may as well have been nameless and kicked the bucket one after another or people that basically only appeared in special Imperial cutscenes and had no or next to no interaction with the cast were a great antagonist escalation!

>>389233258
The devs are also adding content that should've been in the game that is both gameplay and story related a year after its release, so I think it's safe to say it's an unfinished game.

>>389217894
7: good
8: didn't like it
9: good
10: good
10-2: nuke it with fire
12: good
13: nuke it with fire
13-2: didn't play, don't like that universe or characters
13 LR: didn't play, don't like that universe or characters
15: I'm done, bye square!

>>389232910
>no one* really like tactics THAT much.
the fuck am I reading

>>389218391
FFT Advance
FFT Advance 2
FFT War of the Lions

>>389233440
I guess the question at this point is any of actually worth paying for though?

>>389217894
The franchise is as bad as it always was.

>>389221124
What?
Nigga did you even play 12? I swear people who shit on it never actually played it.
There's so much going On, and the new version adding jobs adds a whole new angle to the game play since they aren't just clones.

I liked the story, it's close to being a totally blatant starwars ripoff though, which can be good or bad personally I guess.
The characters were great , I don't even mind Vaan now (I hated him in my teens when it came out originally but there's been so many games with characters 100x shittier and more annoying that he seems kind of chill now).

The hunts are fun. The 4x speed up makes farming cake. They fixed magic.
The ps4 version is my favorite ff by a mile.

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>>389233738
I was so appalled at XV that I shelved it after finishing it and have no desire to go back to see what content they've added.

If this webm is anything to go by though I think the answer is a resounding 'no'.

>>389232910
Tactics is amazing

>>389233738
>I guess the question at this point is any of actually worth paying for though?

Sure it's a basic open world game but it's pretty good. I think you won't be that disappointed if you have a heads up that the story is very dry.

>>389233440
>so I think it's safe to say it's an unfinished game.
As I was saying, it's finished. Content not being there makes it underdeveloped. "Unfinished" is like a generic meme these years for any AAA game that has problems. Learn to english please.

>>389217894
if lightning couldnt save it nothing can

dead

the series will be canned before XX

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>>389231437

>crisis core
>amazing

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>still haven't revealed Tifa design for FF7:R

>>389217894
I never understood the series, I've played a few but it doesn't seem like the stories are connected at all. Just random games about different characters not even taking place in the same universe.

>>389238232
That's what it is, yes.

At this point all I would be interested in is well-done remakes of games like IV, VIII, and IX. There hasn't really been a truly good mainline game in a long time.

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EMULATE FFX OR BUY REMASTER?
EMULATE FFXII INTERNATIONAL OR BUY REMASTER?

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Defend this.

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>>389217894
I LOVE IT

>>389233836
It's pretty bad. I regret buying the season pass.

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>>389217894
I used to be a fan of the series as a whole, but I honestly don't know why. Even back then I only really liked a few titles, most of them were spinoffs. Compared to other JRPG titles, most FF games only got their spotlight because of high production values (especially after FFVII, with all CGs and shit). They aren't absolutely unplayable JRPGs, but I played tons of better ones (some of them made by Square too), so most of the time I only enjoyed the eye candy, the great soundtracks and a few pretty cool moments.
That said, I'm still a bit nostalgic about it, pretty much the reason why I still waste my time with new releases like FFXIV:SB (10/10 soundtrack tho).

>>389239491
you have 3 minutes to reply

>>389239847
mother fucker!

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>>389217894
It needs a serious reset, like outsourcing kind of reset...yes it had come down to this my folks, SE CANT make a good FF for many reasons.

I mean look at dragon quest, it still maintains quality over the years simply because there is a core team that is very hands-on on all the titles. FF team is always changing with hundreds of devs working on it, if they keep it like this it the series will keep on getting worse and worse

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>>389217894
I literally don't understand the hate for Type-0 and I'm still hyped for the sequel

>>389241867
DQ still is DQ because the formula still is very successful in Japan, the series' only target audience. FF is an international brand to be slapped on the cover of SE's next JRPG project, basically a way to say "if you haven't noticed yet, this is a JRPG made by SE".
Resets and outsourcing won't change how things are now (there is nothing to "reset", anyway). Like you just said, SE gave the brand to dozen of different developers. That is just how FF is.

>>389217894
Still a pretty good quality of games that have exceptionally high expectations that are virtually impossible to meet thus always on the receiving end of overly harsh criticism.

>>389217894
>8 years old game
>those days

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>>389217894
From an outsider's perspective (played only recently VI and in the middle of IX) seems like the last truly worthwhile title is XII and anything onwards was a series of rushed jobs and obnoxious marketing