If I was Squeenix... 2017: 1) Launch Episode Ignis 2) Update

>>389097201
>If I was Squeenix...
>2009:
>1) Launch FF versus XIII

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>>389097201
Or just fuck off and make Type 1 or Type Next or whatever. I prefer Type 0 combat to XV's any day of the week.

>>389097201
>2019
>PS5 "definitive version" in 4k 60fps
>meanwhile PC is getting 8k definitive version with all dlc in 2018
Why are sony fags so desperate?

You're not far off, op. I'd add more interaction between noctis and Luna, to give her death any sort of impact. More cutscenes where the party actually interacts as well, with some character development.

There should be a more content during the time skip while noctis is mia. Then the second half of the game should be fleshed out, with noctis coming back and regaining his throne. With expanded story and cutscenes, rather than the game ending 45 mi utes later.

>>389097201
>Make a mandatory mission to get the flying car.

that mission is post game so that point would be useless

>>389097668
>There should be a more content during the time skip while noctis is mia
that is what apparently the Comrades DLC is. It's shit that you have to pay for multiplayer content (plus a subscription for the console to play online) for the story in a Single Player game.

FFXV is a fucking trainwreck at this point and I am glad I jumped off the train when I did (March 2017, after I beat it)

https://youtu.be/zdbyYNG_kgI

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>>389097201
JUST FUCKING STOP

>>389097668
Why do you people care about story shit added after the fact? The whole point is that you experience the game once and you leave with your impressions. XV was underdeveloped and unsatisfying. OK. Why would you eagerly wait for the rest of the story to get pumped out? You can't just simply wipe away your first impression. The added story content will just sting more as you realize what you could have experienced had they just finished the game.

>>389097453
/thread

>>389098160
The game has a lot of potential.

Start with the movie. Then just integrate the episodes during the mainline story: when Gladio disappears then you get that EP. After a couple mainline episodes you play Luna+Ravus and you take that time to make that continent walkable. Then Episode Ignis after Leviatan. Before the ending you play as Lucis and their team too, or maybe before going to Altissia, and expand that part immensely with a small new continent, the capacity for Noctis and bros to explore Accordo, a couple dungeons, etc.

Then after you finish the game you get as a bonus the anime episodes.


It could have been great. And Squeenix can and should milk this cow.

>>389098160

I played it, I beat it, I'll never touch it again. I think it has the potential to have a really good story, if they fleshed nearly everything out though. Just giving my two cents on what should be added.

>>389099153
I guess, but why dwell on what XV could have and should have been. It's all just futile. You've probably given XV more thought than the writers have over the course of development.

They fumbled XV. Ok cool. Can't say I didn't expect it. No amount of additions can wipe away the piss-poor fundamentals of the game and bad initial taste. It's futile for even the poor devs sitting in the offices pumping out shit after the fact.

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>>389100003
Exactly this. I don't know why you sad sacks of shit insist on waiting for a "complete edition," as if getting a bunch of irrelevant DLC for free would solve anything.

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>>389098160
>Why do you people care about story shit added after the fact?

I found the story very satisfying but anon here is correct. The game is not convoluted like XIII that needs explaining. The game is done. Additional story DLC will do nothing for it.

>>389099153
>Then just integrate the episodes during the mainline story

Lol no. not fucking with you with cutscenes while you play is the best thing XV did. I hope they make movies for the future games.

At the end of the day it comes down to this: you like the battle system. you like the game. You didn't, tough luck try WoFF.

>xv-kun

>>389100003
>>389100276

They launch 3 Episodes as DLC this year and also updated tha game with a Bestiary and some stuff and they are going to launch it for PC next year.

Just make a couple more DLCs -and this time, big- sell them, and in a year put it all together and redeem the game while making more money.

A real game with 2 more walkable continents with some little content and all that stuff... I'd buy it.

>>389100762
>redeem the game while making more money.

there is nothing to be redeemed. it's an rpg, rpg's are all about progression. DLCs are not going to fix anything. just play the game and get it over with.

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>>389097201

As long as they keep making things for the game for a while to keep it alive then they should be good, but eventually i guess they'll be looking towards FF16, hopefully by then Nomura will be ready to work on it and be done with KH for the time being. (just for a little while, squeenix wont let that franchise stay quiet for long, if at all) I would say it would have been nice if all of this stuff was included but I guess its better they're putting it in as dlc at all rather than leaving the game as it was at launch.

Also hope it goes back to some older ff roots, two games with 'realistic' stories (talking about 13 and 15 here, just the large lack of classic ff lore) in a row are enough, its time for a ff9 style final fantasy again.

>>389101432
>Also hope it goes back to some older ff roots, two games with 'realistic' stories

did you play XV ? it has the most painfully typical FF story, it almost feels they were trying a reboot of shorts

>hopefully by then Nomura
seriously are you memeing or some shit ? I don't hate nomura, no one hates nomura, he is just not good at directing anything not called KH

>>389097201
Or just relaese the DLCs and be done with it.
Square needs to move and and Tabatas team needs to move on or they'll be the slaves of this game for years
Or should've cancelled it in 2011 and make an actual finished new XV

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>>389101994
>Or should've cancelled it in 2011 and make an actual finished new XV

that's pretty much what happened. apart from the finished part because they run out of time.

just a heads to all you guys reading these discussions about how the game is incomplete, waiting for a "complete" edition; you are all going to be sorely disappointed. the game is far from perfect but it is what it is, DLCs will not fix anything.

Let me sell this game to you right now; it's a great summer game, you are walking through the green fields with your bros listening to Valse di Fantastica, killing wild beasts. Then you fight Ardyn. The end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiEHxgLN-E

>>389102967
Not what I was expecting, nor what I was lead to believe, nor what I wanted honestly. My dumb feel good summer rpg is Fallout NV or Persona or TWEWY. If I had known XV was supposed to be some euphoric feel good road trip simulator with story taking a backside to the road feels, I would have passed. If I had known that a lot of what I had been excited for wouldn't even make it into the game, I would have passed as well. But I was suckered into buying it at launch and the rest is history.

what's with this recent garbage of spending half a decade adding unto a single title? How about just make a complete experience like ff1-12?

>>389105450
12 also took a half decade to make and wasn't a complete experience

Just finished the game and I have some questions.
1: Why was Gladio such a dick to Noctis after the leviathan fight? Yeah Ignis got hurt, but that's sort of his job as bodyguard.
2: Why did Noctis need the blessing of titan, leviathan etc? Their power didn't really do anything in the end. It was all the power of his ancestors.
3: Literally what was the point of Luna's brother?
4: So Prompto's some lab bred soldier thing?
5: Why did Noctis have to die?
6: Was that heaven at the end of the game or what?
7: What the fuck is Ardyn's problem?
8: Why was the empire so retarded? It seemed like they were the main antogonists but then near the end of the game it turned out they didn't matter at all and demons were what we had to worry about, even though demons being a threat was never treated as anything more than more mobs to kill ala hunts up to that point and the possibility of longer nights/eternal night wasn't mentioned until episode 12 or something.
9: Why was Noctis gone for 10 years? The game seemed to imply both that he was in crystal cryo sleep, and also that he was imprisoned somewhere and aware of the passage of time. If he was in cryo sleep, how'd he grow a beard?
10: Literally what was the point of Iris other then been a cute girl?
11: Why does everyone love Cor so much when he was only in the game for about 5 minutes and his entire role was just showing you how to raid tombs.
12: Why was this game so terrible?

>>389105583
Fair enough but it still felt like a complete experience compared to 13 and 15. And they haven't spent half a decade AFTER adding mediocre installments to it, meant to take place of main installments.

>>389105719
One thing I still dont fucking know is why Noctis is shown in a wheel chair?

>>389104473
>euphoric feel good road trip simulator with story taking a backside to the road feels

best FF XV description ever. I'm using it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo_eXCaifPA

>>389105719
Tabata

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>>389105945

>>389105719
The royal weapon collection went nowhere either. They go and tell you how important the weapons are then never bring them up again, then how you need the power of summons, never brought up again, then you wait 10 years and it's not even really explained and then you just get the power of the ancestors to solve everything.
It's like they just took everything from V13 and did like the first 10% of it and then dropped it and went off to the next thing.
You can basicly just delete everything you did prior to Chpater 13

>>389106035
>>389105945
>>389104473
the characters are faggots, you are faggots too for pretending anything about this game is good

>>389105719
watch the movie, read the wikia.

>>389105867
He was born sick, and almost died several times to his illness throughout childhood.
This was literally part of his destiny, and it's likely the gods made him ill on purpose just to force all the prophecies to be true.

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>>389097201
Alternatively:

2017 or as soon as fucking possible:
>drop this turd, stop trying to polish it
>start working on XVI immediately
>make it a Final Fantasy game instead of whatever XV was

If they started XVI right now, it might be ready by 2022 or something.

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>>389106337
this.

>>389106337
>make it a Final Fantasy game instead of whatever XV was

guys can you at least play the games you shitpost about. Magical kingdom with the power of a divine crystal against an empire with machines and technology is literally as Final fantasy as it gets.

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>>389097201
This game managed to raise the benchmark for the Action RPG genre. Setting a standard that other games should aspire to achieve.

Do you disagree? Ofcourse you do. You're a contrarian manchild stuck in the past. Fortunately sensible people hold some semblance of taste. Thus, such impeccably crafted works of vidya are truly appreciated everywhere for their bold innovation. Buckle up boys.

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>>389101778

I just mean its time for another game where you aren't being made aware the entire world might end at any given time, I mean like 7 8 or 9 when it builds up and doesn't loom over you for the whole game.

13 - All the main characters are made aware they have to complete their focus before they die and this it boils over with them a points in the game so they argue and bicker about 'HURRYING UP AND COMPLETING DUH FOCUS'

15 - MUH KINGDOM, MUH CRYSTAL, MUH WAIFU, IM SO DOOM AND GLOOM

I'm just saying its time for some moogles and moombas and other races other than humans to make you laugh and shit again. Not just throwing in chocobos.

And im not memeing, I just look at Nomura as a game developer who's made games I like, i don't play a game he makes then go look at him like 'WOW WHAT KIND OF GUY IS THIS TO MAKE A GAME LIKE THIS'.

I'm a simple man, I don't over analyze stuff.

>>389106584
Too bad the game is only marginally about that.

>>389106663
I think this is old Bazzy copy pasta from like November of last year. Funny stuff :D

>>389106584
>guys can you stop expecting anything more than pong? 2 sticks, 10 pixels long, bouncing a little box back and forth is as vidya as you can get

>>389097642
>PC
>8k
>anytime soon
kakakakakakkaakakkaka

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>>389106663
>Setting a standard that other games should aspire to achieve.

bro I liked the game too but let's not fellate tabata's cock that much. post screens.

Just move on and let the team get some sleep already. The game hold them prison for years.
It'slike Square's afraid that people will forget it if they don't pump out new shite very few weeks

>>389106730
Speaking of 13, how is 15 meant to tie into it?
They were meant to share the same mythos or something, weren't they? But it's not like 15 had i'cie or anything.

>>389106969
>he is yet to get a trip so he can be filtered

>>389107013
XV isn't V13 anymore.
It's more of a FF1 clone because Tabata can't think of anything better and it's the only FF he finsihed + Nomuras and Ferraris designs and some leftovers dfrom V13 like Insomnia and Hammerhead

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>>389106860
I love level headed fans like you. You enjoy XV and can have a well-mannered and light-hearted discussion without entering supreme hyperbole territory and breaking into an autistic rage when people disagree with you.

A good tip to you, friend.

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>downgraded the combat to use less weapons than the 2013 E3 demo.
>made the combat around the concept of holding down the attack button instead of doing crunchy attacks for each and every button press (simple kinaesthetical failure)
>ruined the animations because they have to work to accommodate his awful hold O philosophy that doesn't hurt his hands
>made magic take a weapon slot, consume a resource we have to gather, and down grade from the original animation.
>failed to make weapons have unique properties like the Engine blade could heat up and rev whilst slashing for extra kick
>could not direct animators to make good action combat animations. Look at the spear combo for proof of how incompetent this team was.
>Open world littered with invis walls
>the worst boss fights I have ever seen
>CONSTANTLY changed the story
>made an open world which was way too big for such little content it had in it.
>lied about XV being a "full package" in saying that you only needed to play the base game to understand the full story which is not even remotely true.
>made a movie which costed a high budget and flopped horribly
>misleading trailers which pan around Tenebrae like its an explorable zone when in reality is a fucking balcony to look out on to.

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>>389107013
All those connections are probably in a cutting room floor somewhere.

>>389107323
>this entire post

https://youtu.be/yToQ8eTgquQ

>>389107013

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabula_Nova_Crystallis_Final_Fantasy

They were originally going to be all 'connected' in spirit, possibly with true connections before things changed alot and now while the name of the project still exists they dont really connect now as they were probably intended.

All of this changes added to them being more distant from each other -->

>>389107431

>>389107431
>downgraded the combat to use less weapons than the 2013 E3 demo.

are you guys spics or some shit ? seriously all you people obsessed with shit posting over and over, makes me think of spics who can barely afford a console and then cry if your game is not the second coming of christ. PC fans actually received XIII way more calmly than you poor fucks.

>downgraded the combat

There was NEVER ANY COMBAT, it was all target renders, there was never any game. it was all CGI concepts.

>>389107431
>misleading trailers which pan around Tenebrae like its an explorable zone when in reality is a fucking balcony to look out on to.
Fuck this pisses me off. Tenebrae and Altissia are so gorgeous looking but you're their for about 5 minutes each and can't really explore either one.

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>>389107769
>ffxv is a blatant racist autist
Why am I not surprised

>>389107769
The E3 2013 playable demo you utter retard not the CGI trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rKqNUYH5Tk

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Motherfucking Ardyn.
I've read people saying he's a good villain but he's not, he's worse than not-good, worse than bad. Ardyn actively makes the story worse by a notch everytime he appears.
>varus shows up
>blocks your escape
>talks shit, he's strong
>brace for a fight
>motherfucking ardyn
>shoos varus away with his hand
>he complies
>completly disolves any tension

Everytime our hero face an obstacle Ardyn appears to transform a tense situation into a wet fart. I can not believe this is unintentional, this character is the personification of a deliberate middle finger from the director to the player. His evil transends the 4th wall, escapes the story and says FUCK YOU directly to my face.
This fuck robbed me of a bossfight, he destroyed my fun. IS THAT WHAT A CHARACTER IN ANY STORY SHOULD DO.

Funny how threads can change in two hours. Did some country just wake up

>>389107956
>The E3 2013 playable

not playable lol, try harder.

>>389108191
Good job responding to the wrong person

>>389097201

If I was Squeenix, I'd just make the fucking game this was supposed to be. Luna is a shit character, and fapping to her won't change that.

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>>389108098
>Did some country just wake up

seriously. ruin dota, ruin FF discussions.

>>389097201
I just wish the bastards would give us more summons.

>>389097201

I would bury everything, then make another Bravely while XVI starts pre-production.

>>389108331
It's literally almost 1 AM in Brazil right now. We're not "just waking up".

>Americans in charge of knowing how time zones work

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>>389108191
wrong person, idiot

Can you have more than one fucking active hunting quest in this game yet? I quit this shit because of that. All the fucking back and forth with the car and meals and fucking camping is a pain in the ass for one goddamn quest at a time.

>>389108489
Don't blame all of us amerifats for that retard. He's probably Canadian or Australian

>>389097201
I haven't played the game yet. Is there any hope that when SE have finished adding stuff to it, it could make for a good first playthrough?

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>>389108098
t. clueless XVfag who only hopped on after the renaming

2011 and 2013 trailers when Nomura was running the game featured gameplay with things like double jumps, machine guns, magic being a part of the base combat incorporated in the combos, a summon menu, interconnected zones ala FFXII instead of open world trash, yakuza style royalty instead of generic as fuck fantasy tropes, a full Shimomura OST rather than just doing a few tracks and "supervising" the rest, etc

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>>389107674

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You know, with movies, there's typically a theatre cut, and then some sort of Director's cut that comes with the bluray--which includes footage that was cut from editing and rearranged into the movie. Im just trying to imagine what it would be like if it became the norm for film makers to just reassemble the cast/crew/set to patch brand new scenes into movies months after it's already out on bluray. Ridiculous, right? It would be nearly impossible to do and do effectively. But videogame devs are practicing this more and more with each game. It's become such a standardized aspect of games now that it's completely ok when games come out in absolute shit state and patched to oblivion with the intent of fixing the game. Devs are relying on this power way too much. And people are completely ok with getting rushed/unfinished/broken games at launch as long as the devs get to it eventually. Sad!

>>389109351
>a full Shimomura OST rather than just doing a few tracks and "supervising" the rest
Wait, is that why the OST sounds so phoned in? Seriously, there's only like 3 or 4 memorable tracks on it.

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>>389109351
But i'm on your side

>>389110417
It honestly feels like half the OST was written during versus development and the rest during XV development.
People can hate on Nomura all they want, but he actually listens to every track Nomura creates tons of times with her until they both think it's perfect and you can tell. There're some later XV tracks that are just too generic or too much orchestra or straight up the elder scrolls theme

>>389110417
>>389109351
please tell me this is true because ff15 almost killed shimomura for me. How do you go from radiant historia to ff15?

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This is the 3rd mainline FF game that Square has publicly apologized for its shortcomings and promised to "fix" it.

You guys need a reality check: Final Fantasy is dead. Maybe in the next 10 years you will find 'that game' that you were looking for, but it won't be from Square Enix.

It's already been almost a year with nothing big added to the game. Give it up OP, at most you are getting a cheaply made $15 Luna/Ardyn DLC and that would be the end of it.

Tabata already worded it very lightly that 2017 would be the last big push for the game. The last DLC is for the fans for bitching at him a lot.

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Just give us Versus and all is forgiven.

>>389109098
bump for interest

>>389097201
>wasting DLC on Luna
Why do that when you could give some attention to someone more interesting like Aranea. Or even better, if we were Squeenix, keep Stella.

>>389111541
I know XIV, what's the 3rd one?

>>389109098
>>389111960

Do not play the game. At all.

There is so much more interesting games out there to experience. FFXV is beyond mediocre and I went it with realistic expectation. The only reason people harp on the game is because it features pretty boys in an (empty) pretty open-world.

After almost a year there has nothing been added that made the game any different. Just more content of the same terrible quality.

>>389112291
XIII?

They fucking promoted XIII-2 as the better version cause it had bigger environment and side quests.

>>389111819
Tabatas interviews have been the worst shit over the years, the guy really needs to learn to just say nothing sometimes.
>we have so much story for these characters!
>but maybe we won't actually release any of it or just as a cutscene or DLC
They basicly say that the game is unfinished and that they have story stuff in their offices lying around that might never see the light of day.
But hoenstly if it's anythinglike the first two DLCs it will just be filelr garbage that was clearly written afterwards

>>389109098
A "good" playthough depends if you expected the game as 2013/versus or not. Even so it is at least mediocre with some good things here and there and no amount of dlc/hotfix will change this.

Everyone hates Luna for barely been in it since she's only around for a total of 10 minutes or something, but that's twice as long as most characters in the game.
Iris and Aranea seem to be in it longer because they temporarily join your party, but really they're only around for about 5 minutes each and neither serve much of a purpose. Same with characters like Cor and Ravus.
Chapter Luna makes more sense than any other character.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/09/01/pax-2017-final-fantasy-xv-director-discusses-whats-next

>At the end of the year, I think we do have to have a drawing of the line and moving on to do the next project as well

>>389112304
>>389112524
In that case I'm putting all my hope in Xenoblade 2.
I like the look of Witcher 3, but am put off by the combat

>>389097453
>Launch FF versus XIII
>it's shit like every other Nomura game

>>389112891
XV's combat isn't much better. I actually like XV but between the two of them Witcher 3 is a much better game. Just throw it on easy if it gives you trouble. The rest of the game is worth experiencing despite the terrible combat.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/20/final-fantasy-xv-director-nomura-on-the-games-next-gen-aspirations/

Just to pour salt on the wound.

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>>389112858
Tabata: "If you watch Kingsglaive or Brotherhood, I think you'll get a better view of the world where the game is set. A grander scale, a more fully realized story. That said, some fans who only see one part might be left with a negative impression, or like they've missed crucial parts of the tale."

No fucking shit you absolute hack. First of all your movie is dogshit, everyone agrees and ties in horribly into XV, almost like an afterthought.

Fuck me for wanting everything related to XV, with its world, characters and stories-IN FINAL FANTASY XV. YOU KNOW, THE GAME I PAYED FULL PRICE FOR AT LAUNCH? THis man does some of lying gook mouth shut.

God, please let Business Division 2 drown in a flash flood, along with everything related to XV.

>>389113356
B-b-but ano-n they are t-t-t-trying their best :^)

>>389113356
Tabata has always said dumb shit in interviews from contradicting himself all the time too promising too much or saying things about content or DLC that might never exist to shit like "our game will make other games run in fear" before release.
You can tell this guy was just a smaller handheld game director before this.
He really shouldn't be so confident and be a bit more humble. Even fucking Nomura admits that he's nervous whenever a new trailer of his games is shown and hopes that fans will like it and he worked his way up since FFIV. Tabata just jumped from a rather mediocre handheld games director straight to a current gen mainline FF director.

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>>389113742
>>389113356
This get me so fucking mad, people are aways defending this hack for all his "hard work"

>>389114175
I don't get why people always act like the 2013 version would've been impossible. It's literally just a uncharted like setpiece with a bit of fighting in between. And the visuals are far from impossible, the artstyle is just way more consistent than the final game. The models are simple, but look nice, the town you fly over doesn't look amazing but you barely notice it with all the shit going on etc.
It's not rocket sciene, yet for some reason all that shit changed in 2014 when all the details went into main cahracter models and the rest of the world looked mediocre. And even then the textures and bad AA still made it look worse overall.

>>389113221
are there no mods that can fix TW3's combat?

>>389114553
I don't get why people act like the 2013 version would have been good. This game was doomed to mediocrity from day one and switching directors only solidified that.

>>389105719
>1: Why was Gladio such a dick to Noctis after the leviathan fight? Yeah Ignis got hurt, but that's sort of his job as bodyguard.
A mix between Japanese bullshit (feelings are for women and children, not for men) and Gladio being an insecure cuck as usual. See Brotherhood and pay attention to his solo interactions with Noctis

>>389114553
There is even a interview with Nomura that confirms the 2013 trailers to be playable and not pre-rendered(>>389113254). The greatest problem is that Tabata changed the engine to Luminous(they used Ebony before) when he became director and all progress was lost since Luminous is a piece of shit.

>>389114650
Not saying that it would've been great, just that i always see people who for some reason think that it's an amazing task to make a setpiece like that when we had shit like that since uncharted on the PS3. Just more explosions this time around.

>>389115070
Tabata didn't switch the engine, Ebony was always temporary, and it was under Nomura that they changed it to Luminous.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Development_of_Final_Fantasy_XV#2013
The actual source is kotaku but I don't want to link it and give it clicks.

>>389114553
This. Literally what the fuck. The leviathan shit we got in XV was already some scripted, cinematic clusterfuck, why not at the very least put some effort into it and recreate the trailer to the best of their abilities? And you're right, it looks straight out of some cinematic moment from Uncharted or the new GOW. Hardly difficult to do and entirely feasible.

>>389115070
Luminous is amazing if used correctly. Having to constantly break it down to run that huge empty world in a console is what fucked it up.

Luminous running unrestrained in that DX12 tech demo from one (or two?) years ago was a thing to behold.

>>389115482
>Luminous is amazing if used correctly.
nop

That's what you want, OP. Here's what will actually happen.

2017:
>Delay the fishing game
>Mobile FFXV canceled

2018:
>Cup Noodle DLC released, where Luna gets replaced by a cup of Cup Noodle in every cutscene
>Fishing game canceled
>Final Fantasy XV port for Nintendo Switch announced

2018:
>Final Fantasy XV port for Nintendo Switch canceled
>Final Fantasy XV teams up with World of Warcraft for "Darkmoon Faire" event
>Noctis' clothes get ported to Final Fantasy XIV as a microtransaction

2019:
>"Ardyn's Journey", a game exclusively for the Xbox One, announced
>"Ardyn's Journey", a game exclusively for the Xbox One, canceled

>2020
>Final Fantasy XIII-4: Lightning Returns Again announced
>Final Fantasy XV-themed microwave announced
>Final Fantasy XV toilet seat announced

>2021
>Final Fantasy XV toilet seat canceled
>Final Fantasy XV microwave recalled internationally due to malfunction that causes it to explode
>Final Fantasy XV Online announced

2028
>Final Fantasy XV Online released!
>Final Fantasy XV Online universally panned, game taken offline by Square

2029
>Final Fantasy XV Online: A Kingdom Reborn announced
>Final Fantasy 1 re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-released for the Noctis Replica Dildo

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>>389115482
But is an engine amazing if it doesn't scale well?
They're just way too stubborn and have the wrong priorities. They even showed models with different polygon counts and some of them barely looked different because of diminishing returns, yet they refuse to use some of the lower poly models for gameplay and higher poly models or even just faces like KH or cutscenes.
I miss the 2014 version though. It actually had good looking vegetation and differnet kinds. Now the PC version is just filled with the same nvidia gameworks grass all over the place to hide the old shitty assets

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If I was Squeenix...

>2016
>release Final Fantasy XV

>2017
>begin development on Final Fantasy XVI

>>389115989
Holy shit, this post feels like it was made in 2007. Like, throw-away joke in a passed its prime Newgrounds flash tier.

>>389115482
The open world isn't even that amazing imo, they clearly never made one on that scale.
Sure the areas that are rendered are big, but you have way too many invisible walls sometimes even oer simple fences or railings especially near that river when you're at the part where Iris joins your party.
They should've just used multiple bug hubs that are connected or just a smaller world but with more variety. Cause even the best hardware wouldn't save this game from all the content it's lacking to make a world like this not empty.

>>389097201

If I was Squeenix....

Stop supporting this game and move onto new projects or give more support to the already ongoing ones

FF just needs a break. They start new big prjoects way too easily and announce them way too early.
Just work on your fucking games for a few years and annoucne them when they come out a year or two later insead of basicly announcing them when they start development

>>389116294
Indeed the open world is shit. Just a big empty field limited by invisible walls with much more space than things to put in it.

Maybe Luminous would work better with smaller areas? Like, if you made any open environments with the level of detail and lighting of, say, Alien: Isolation, it would crash even the most powerful PC.

>>389116424
>SE announces their projects almost literally in concept stage
>Capcom tells you in the morning about a game they intend to release at noon

Fucking japs just don't have no middle ground.

>>389116531
Even just from a gameplay perspective it would've been better. A world with the size of Dragon's Dogma or slightly bigger but with actual variety and tons of endgame content would've been nice.
You can clearly tell that they put the most time into duscae and after that made the first desert area and then suddenly ran out of time or money.
Its one of the prime quantity over quality examples.
The few dungeons it had were actually dcent so why didn't they focuse more on content like that

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This is the same character. Was Kingsglaive created like 10 years before XV or something? I think the reason Kingsglaive and XV don't fit together so well is because it might have been created at completely different times.

>>389117160
Kingsglaive's major characters had their faces modeled after their actor's faces so they would look more realistic.

>>389117160
Their blatant and shameless Western pandering is honestly staggering. It's almost like they're embarrassed of FF's inherent Japanese-ness and have to cover it up. It's quite sad.

>>389117160
They made them look like their voice actors/ models.
I think the reason was to appeal to a wider audience, which is fucking retarded since most people will watch the movie because of the game.

>>389097453

>Game is clearly ultra shit since it's unfinished + a nomura game
>It also looks like crap if the 2009 trailers are anything to go by

You are the scatman of video games.

>>389106845
http://store.steampowered.com/app/637650/FINAL_FANTASY_XV_WINDOWS_EDITION/
>Supporting high-resolution options and compatible with native 4K (3840 x 2160) resolution and HDR 10. Graphical options can also be configured to support up to 8K
Sonyfags on suicide watch.

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>>389117160
>someone spent weeks of their life creating the ingame model just for a few seconds of screentime

>>389097201
>If I was square
Go back to ripping off Sega arcade games.
Make a Night-tona USSR or something.

>>389097201
I would localize more of the releases.
I would also approve more non-FF and DQ titles and make better use of past, ded IPs. The secret of mana remake is a good start on this actually.

>>389117435
Good luck getting there, even the official Nvidia video at 4k was just interpolated 30fps footage.
Not like any resolution will make this game great.

>>389097453
this.

XV cucks still begging for scraps for their shit game like any amount of new content will make it better. Buyers remorse at it's finest.

>>389099153
>XV has potential

This is what a cuck looks like everyone. XV is a fucking turd, get over it and I hope SE stop wasting time on trying to make it an even bigger pile of shit and moves on to another project or just goes bankrupt.

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>>389106845
>>389097642


Well the FFXV PC version officially supports 8k res. If nvidia doesn't lie and volta handles 4k well in 2018 then eventually strapping 2 1180TIs might give us 30 fps 8k at medium to high settings /shrug. If not you can always turn down the settings.


>>389117587

Eh, the game quite a few gameworks features like the witcher 3. If you turn those off and optimize your settings I'm sure it will run fine. I've never been disappointed by a FF game's performance on PC, lack of settings? Yes, but that's part of what this game is fixing.


>4k High resolution textures
>Up to 8k resolution
>Dolby Atmos
>PC exclusive graphics enhancements (realistic turf, advanced hair simulation, combustible fire & smoke simulation etc)
>Mod support
>Tabata discussed potential level editor

As far as gaming in general on PC it doesn't get much better than high quality assets + settings, mod support and a level editor... And this is from a fucking final fantasy game? What an age we live in.

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>>389117920

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15-broke-even-on-development-costs-i/1100-6447626/

>Going bankrupt after making back ten years of dev time cost in just a single 24 hour period
>Being this buttblasted

FF15 divided the ff community in one fell swoop, made worse by Tabata dumbassetry but if people want to see potential in the game, let them.

Squeenix going bankrupt is a fools dream but they'll probably never let tabata touch another mainline game ever again unless its his own project.

>>389118762
Not him and I know he's a retard, but you're fucking ignorant as to what resolutions are.

The game probably supports whatever the fuck resolution you want, and 8k for a modern game is completely unreachable even in 3 years time.

>Yes, but that's part of what this game is fixing.
And no. All that shit is nearly unnoticeable, the game still looks like a downgraded turd.

>>389097514
Type-0 fucked it all up by having you juggle 14 characters and that horrendous killstrike system meaning attacking at all normally was pointless and everything revolved around you just standing there with a thumb up your ass to deal any damage.

>>389097201

If I was SE I'd kill myself.

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>>389118931

>Not him and I know he's a retard, but you're fucking ignorant as to what resolutions are.

Speak for yourself, btw go ahead and tell me how you can get any of the many games truly resolution locked to support native 8k on the PC version. Oh don't worry, I won't wait, you can't. So why do you look like a wailing retard right now? Because you're an ignorant faggot that talks about shit he doesn't know anything about.


If a game does not support arbitrary resolutions advertised by your OS. It will not support "whatever the fuck resolution you want", end of story.


>And no. All that shit is nearly unnoticeable, the game still looks like a downgraded turd.
>Every setting on a PC game is unnoticeable
>Literally graphics are unnoticeable
>Mod support is unnoticeable
>Level editor is unnoticeable

Spoken like a true retarded consolebabbie. There's nothing else left for me to say, fuck off.

>>389120264
Most games on pc don't have resolution locks and you can unlock resolution locks on all games.

>Spoken like a true retarded consolebabbie.
Look at the comparisons yourself faggot the game looks like a fucking turd. And unlike you I've seen the settings page for the game, there's a lot more than you listed. And the game still looks like trash.

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>>389097201
>2018:
>3) Launch Episode Lunafreya. Play as Luna and Ravus in Tenebrae and around the continent, make it walkable, etc.

They already hinted Episode Luna and Episode Ardyn but it hasn't been confirmed yet. If they do ever make one, then that'd be the final thing that XV will release.

>For Tabata personally, he’d potentially like to see the stories of Ardyn and Luna fleshed out with new content, something he's also hinted at in the past.

>“I think certainly considering them as incredibly key characters to the story and as personalities, characters who stick up for themselves, that’s something I’d really like to show. That also fits in very well with the results of the survey that we took where that’s what most people want to see too,” he said.

No matter what happens, the game will still look unfinished. Unless they release a definitive version with all the updates and put all the unused content in it but that's never going to happen since I doubt the team would still like to work on this game. They should use this as a lesson for the next FF which is probably in fucking 15 years or so.

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>>389120868

Notable games been modded to unlock their resolutions at least to some extent. So if enough labor is put into it you could possibly get it done, actually if enough labor is put into it you could recreate the game from scratch and make it look how you want it to, you could also buy an island and create your own nation.


Fact of the matter is that some games have clear limits and even if it's possible to bypass them there are plenty of games on steam resolution locked with no way to unlock. And that's what matters in life, reality, not this "if u put enuff werk maybe it come tru" shit.

>It looks like shit

Plenty of people disagree with you, I can tell you right now that grass is impressive compared to the console version and it's not like the console version had bad graphics. No 3D final fantasy game has had bad graphics at release.

>>389121192

>If they do ever make one, then that'd be the final thing that XV will release.

Yea honestly for a single player game this game has had more support than I could ever imagine. I can't believe some of the shit they are doing with the PC version.

It really makes me think though if tabata is busy doing this without working on another project and nomura is doing 7R and KH3 then who is helming FF16? We know they are working hard on it if history is any indication.

>>389121192
>Episode Ardyn

Actually they just said that Ardyn won out in the survey, but they didn't have the resources to expound his back story so they weren't doing it.

>>389121468
I like how you avoided the part that most games don't have locked resolutions.

But yeah man keep defending downgraded trash, fucking fanboy.

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>>389118931

>Reading comprehension:

>>but you're fucking ignorant as to what resolutions are.The game probably supports whatever the fuck resolution you want

>If a game does not support arbitrary resolutions advertised by your OS. It will not support "whatever the fuck resolution you want", end of story.

>>Most games on pc don't have resolution locks and you can unlock resolution locks on all games.

>Fact of the matter is that some games have clear limits and even if it's possible to bypass them there are plenty of games on steam resolution locked with no way to unlock. And that's what matters in life, reality, not this "if u put enuff werk maybe it come tru" shit.


The beautiful thing about the internet is everything you posted will still be there for all to see, this is specially amusing when retards like you forget what you even wrote or read. In actuality it's not that you forgot, you just couldn't comprehend.


By what you wrote you clearly agree with me that there are resolution locked games. You just feel that because someone can possibly alter the code of the game and create mod, that therefore any PC game ever supports 8k. Clearly not true, as I said before there are plenty of games on steam with no way to unlock resolution but perhaps you can create a way for every game! Good luck! Retard-kun.

>>389122961
>he thinks I'm going to read this fanboy drivel

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>>389123125

>Reading comprehension so bad he cant even read what he wrote
>This is how retard-kun ends it

gg ez

>>389116109
Wouldn't another team already be working on a "potential" FFXVI? Tabata's team wouldn't be working on that. Honestly, before XV ever released a different team should have been working on XVI in some aspects. Then again, even as a fanboy, SE never has their ducks in a row for this kind of shit.

>>389118806
>I hope

You don't read so well huh? The game doesn't have potential, keep dreaming cuck

>>389108006
>This fuck robbed me of a bossfight
No, the budget robbed you of a boss fight. Maybe it's just me assuming but he appeared because they needed a reason for the fight to end, but due to budget the fight never began.

>>389122961
He's saying that the game very likely queries for your resolution and thus supports any resolution, and that the 8k thing is just to hype up dumb people into thinking this port is somehow special even though querying for resolution is something many games do, including other FF games

>>389108006
At least we got to see Ravus make Gladio look like a bitch. But yeah, the game needed more of Ravus in general, he was a really cool character that could've worked as Noctis' rival.

>>389126447
Yeah, and how again? Gladio was stopping punches from an astral without breaking sweat, yet almost falls to his knees trying to block Ravus weak ass attack. And then for some reason, this becomes the driving force compelling him to ditch Noctis and seek power? That's literally his characterization. "Muh power!"

This game is fucking retarded. I don't know why people are so easily entertained by cool animu garbage.

FFXIII and FFXV are both shit and both came out in the same decade

>>389108006
>>389126342
Reminds me of FF13 where Jihl Nabaat was about to fight the party but got killed in a cutscene for another boss.

It's a shame because it would've been really great, fortunately they followed up on it as a DLC boss fight in 13-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAwOgkIcU

>>389121192
I don't know why they whore Luna out in every piece of artwork like she's on the same level as Noctis she had 10 minutes of screentime and is essentially a literal who. Tabata is reaching Toriyama levels of waifu-fagging with this shit. The whole game is trash though so oh well I guess

>>389126707
If Noctis and Gladio are strong enough to parry the attacks of an astral, then it's not a big enough stretch to think they could hit harder than it. It's also not a stretch that Niflhiem's commander would be roughly as strong as them. The universe clearly shows that size is not the determining factor in strength, so I don't see anything wrong with Ravus' more focused, precise attack pushing Gladio back.

Not to defend the rest of the game, but I think you're being a bit unflexible.

Lets face it, if you want a good version of FF15, just wait for KH3. The gameplay will actually be polished, unclunky, and you won't be fighting against the camera more than the actual enemies.

>>389126707
This game was supposed to be more realistic under Nomura believe it or not but Tabata turned it into weeb animu shallow trash.

>>389127149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6At_bb1PNU
Are you fucking retarded?

>>389127236
No, but you might be.

>>389127257
Excellent comeback, but could you please explain to me how that trailer was realistic?

>>389097453
It's funny to me that V13 fans think the story would have been good. Nomura is a solid character designer (when reigned in) but all his stories are pretty crap.

>>389097201
I would make the multiplayer combat part of the story and add a hard mode.

>>389127294
I don't need your sass boy

You were talking about characterization, if you want a game that has no cool powers then don't play FF period lol

>>389127312
>It's funny to me that V13 fans think the story would have been good.

The trailers are better than the entirety of XV, stay mad cuck.

>>389127390
Not really, and trailers don't mean shit. I'm sure the actual story would have involved everyone being possessed by darkness, and everyone is somehow the same character or some dumb shit.

Trailers and vague promises in interviews literally don't mean anything.

If I were Square-Enix I would drop anything related to FFXV and publish more western games.

>>389097201
>If i was Squeenix
>make a fucking public apology
>move on to the next project

>>389127338
Nigger, do you know why I posted that video? It's not because I wanted to shit on over-the-top powers, it was to show that they were in the game, even before Nomura left.

>>389127048
Except Noctis takes beatings by both Titan and Leviathan in cutscenes and even gets downed by Leviathan. They all even have a tough time against Ifrit. They are clearly evenly matched... or something-- who fucking knows? Even the writers don't know.

Look, I'm not even going to waste my time arguing this with you, as XV is clearly not a well thought out game and just relies on sick flashy animu shit to keep the teens who bought this game entertained. As if the writing team actually sat down and thought about the individual Power Levels of every character and aimed to be consistent. Fuck no. I'm probably putting more thought into it right now than they ever did. You have Iris, some preppy school girl taking out giant Snakes and Mechs with a fucking Moogle Doll and her legs. It's not even explained how she is even capable of fighting, but from memory I'm guessing she just says something along the lines of "haha I'm a tough girl Noctis, just let me handle this ;P".

>It's also not a stretch that Niflhiem's commander would be roughly as strong as them.

Why? How? He's just a regular guy with a robot arm, is he not? They say his arm is powerful or something, but Noctits and Co. fight robots and mechs twice Ravus' size all the time. It's all just JRPG nonsense. They didn't even care when they wrote this shit. They just checked the boxes off "sick ass anime fight" and called it a day.

>>389127640
He didn't say it was supposed to be realistic. He said it was going to be MORE realistic which is true. Similar to how Kingsglaive was closer to real life than the final game.

And not just in visual design, but in character design too. According to Nomura anyway. But the small amount of dialogue given in Versus trailers does indicate that he wasn't lying.

>>389127771
I don't believe for a second that Nomura would ever do realistic character designs. I think he's physically incapable.

>>389127735
It's probably the correct decision to end the conversation here, as the game doesn't have defined power levels like DBZ, so it's all up to context. I will say that, since Ravus is Luna's brother, and a prince of Tenebrae, it would make sense that he's on par with the King of Lucis' bodyguard.

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>>389127818
Link and Cloud look pretty realistic.

>>389127970
I want you to take a look at Nomura's designs and then compare that to how much free reign he had. KH is him free to do whatever. FF10 is him with a lot of control. Both have really bad character designs.

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>>389097453
2009 is the cut off for true Versus 13
Starting in 2010 they rewrote it, included Adryn, Ravus, Aranea & Gentiana, Stella pretty much became Luna, a peace princess, no longer a rival & went shopping with Gentiana because moe, etc etc, that's when it became XV, we were not gonna get the crawling in my skin sickdark Versus 13 shown in the 2006 trailer unless it released for PS3 in 09 or under

Honestly there isn't too much differences between Normua & Tabata's 15 story wise, the XV we got is just unfinished, they needed at least 1 more year to get it right.

>>389128063
FFX's had to be deliberately exaggerated. For what reason? I don't know.

>>389128186
Because those are the designs Nomura likes dude and it was the first game in the series that the new guard had nearly full creative control.

>>389116069
That is PC footage

Duscae on Consoles didn't have foliage draw distance that good or diverse

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>>389128063
>FFX has bad designs

How, though? It's definitely not conventional; It's very high fantasy and it matches the craziness of Spira. Tidus looks like an athletic, fantasy sports player, Yuna's look is subtle and innocent given she is a summoner, Waka, again looks like some fantasy sports player, Kimari looks fucking cool, Lulu overall is pretty good, and the belts actually surprisingly go well with her outfit etc.

I actually like how asymmetrical Tidus' design is. It's refreshing in a way.

>>389128952
It's fine if you like them. But I don't like anything about the designs in 10 and I think it's a somewhat common sentiment. Shuyin looks like Tidus should have. Auron looks ok, Lulu looks ridiculous compared to the rest of the world. The entire world just wears goofy looking shit.

Look at Tidus man. A hoody that only covers his shoulders, a mesh elbow pad, zippers everywhere (nomura of course) One short thing zipped on one off (looks like they go even lower as well). His sword is fucking full of water and has a goofy hook on it.

>>389127032
We don't have 3 games with Luna as the MC. So he isn't at Toriyama's level... yet. Maybe. But they said that they want to move on from XV at some point. So a 2-3 hour Luna DLC is the best you could get.

>>389126360

Think of it this way, remember when dragon's dogma came out on PC boasting 4k resolution? When you go to the DD menu do you see 8k?

I'm saying it's irrelevant because the point is that they are blatantly officially supporting the resolution, who the fuck cares if you can download gedosato to force 8k or if you have to mod it in. The point is it's officially supported and a feature.

And out of all the features the pc port has this is a problem?

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If I was Squeenix

Release FF XIII, XIV and XV on PS3 as standalone singleplayer games.

Release XI-2 on PS4 as online MMO.

Release VII, VIII, IX and X remake (not remaster, fuck that) and give them some shit PR name like golden age edition and collectors edition on the PS4.

Release XVI on the PS5 as a groundbreaking JRPG.

I remember the exact moment when Squeenix turned versus XIII into XV by just changing the icon in trailer and people applauded like something awesome is happening. This and not after buying XIII-2 was the moment they lost me. The next Final Fantasy must be really great for me to even bother watching a trailer.

>>389129137
>Look at Tidus man. A hoody that only covers his shoulders, a mesh elbow pad, zippers everywhere (nomura of course) One short thing zipped on one off (looks like they go even lower as well). His sword is fucking full of water and has a goofy hook on it.

To you and me, it looks bizarre because we are accustomed to pretty simple, conventional clothing, like nigger apparel. But, at the very least are you able to recognize that their world is a bizarre fantasy world and their clothes capture the essence of that fact? I think if they went for realism here, it just wouldn't sit well with the rest of the world.

>>389129756
They don't have to go for realism. The outfits in FF4 for example aren't realistic, but they appear to fit the world and they're aesthetically pleasing. I think his outfit looks like shit personally, like something a 12 year old would design. The designs in FFT for example aren't realistic but they suit the world.

Nomura's designs just aren't my thing.

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>>389127818
The characters he and Ferrari designed are pretty realistic. Even the animu looking ones have realistic features and skin blemishes etc. The only one who looks really uncanny is Stella but I never liked her redesign anyway, too KH.

>>389128103
2012 is the cut off. They didn't rewrite anything until Tabata came onboard and they internally rebranded to XV.

>>389128103
also XV is shit and even Nomura's version was obviously vastly different. Nomura had nothing to do with Luna btw.

>>389129914
>FFT

But FFT is pretty safe with it's medieval fantasy clothing-there's nothing really unrealistic about it, unless you're talking about Tactics Advance, which is another level of ugly. They're just simple medieval garbs. Ivalice clothes like in XII, I think are genuinely ugly, like Penelo and her alien boots.

>>389130158
I feel like the ZPC (zippers per character) would still end up off the charts somehow, even if he had to have us change outfits.

>>389130274
Not likely considering he had a real life clothes designer doing the outfits. ROEN is kind of dark, but no excessive zippers.

>>389130262
In 12 only dalmascan clothes are ugly, because they're a shitty nation in the desert. Arcadian clothes are great. But regardless they still look more fitting to me than the clothes in FF10.

>>389130330
And how different are the final outfits? I don't dislike most of the outfits in FF15.

>>389097453
fpbp

>>389126953

Yea I member, but the big bad is the one who kills her and you get to fight him instead.

>>389128103
2012-13 is the cutoff actually.
Rewrites only happened when Tabata joined, and Ardyn was still done under Nomura because he liked the idea.

>>389130969
Was Ardyn just supposed to be a high ranking member of the army instead of the main bad?

>>389131083
No one knows what Versus would have been like except the seiyuu who read the script and straight up said he sees Versus Noct and XV Noct as different characters. I don't know why anyone thinks the characters or story for XV is similar in any way. The whole plot and lore is already completely different.

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>>389130441
The XV outfits are the final outfits, but the interviews suggested there would be more. The bros were supposed to be in suits at the party too but we never saw that ofcourse

>>389132021
I wouldn't say no to a suit in game. I also wish Noctis wore pants instead of shorts. The final outfits are pretty sweet though.

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>>389132021
Not exactly the same but there's also an unused concept art of Luna wearing a black dress.

>>389132334
That gap between Noctis's pants and his boots annoys the fuck out of me

>>389097201
If i was squeenix I would just give the chink who made 6, 9 and 12 full go ahead on the franchise and frie that faggot Nomura. Make KH team ban all of their shitty OC story and make it fun like the first game.

So literally what was the point of replacing Noctis with Nyx in the invasion anyway?
Seems so weird with how big of an image him meeting a mysterious pretty blonde in the party

>>389130969
>>389130219

>2012-2013 is the cutoff year.

This game really did need just an extra year and a half of development time then.

If this game has been released in 2018-2019 it would have been a lot better.

>>389135410

I think an extra year would have been good enough to retrofit the last half or so of the game as the second of 3 parts. Making the playable story we have now be around 66%(Not counting dlc) of my proposed final game and then creating more content that would be the final 33%. Considering the first half of the released game feels pretty satisfying, I think this would be enough, specially when you add in the 3 episode dlc + all the PC features.


Now I'm sure the big problem is whether this makes sense financially and I'm sure square 100% feels it wouldn't be.

>>389118806
>Divided the ff community
did it? Because I've heard pretty commonly from "fans" that every final fantasy before XV was shit and boring.

I think the best part of all of this is I've been in this nonsense many times with many games

Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Jak II
Symphony of the Night and later Lords of Shadow
Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume

New "long time fans" always show up and support the changing or ruination of a series they never cared about.

>>389135757
I've played every mainline FF my first was 1 and I've beaten most of them. I think the hate 15 gets is blown out of proportion but the game isn't nearly as good as it could have been.

I support the changing of FF because every new game should be different. I support them trying new stuff with each game. It may not always work out and I may not love it, but part of the appeal of the series is that every game is something new.

>>389135740
The game needed to be at least twice as long as it was

>>389135942
>is that every game is something new.
Except there are components that every mainline game had until 12 but including 13.

The only things XV has that ties in with any of the series history is chocobos, somebody named cid, a dragoon named highwind, and spell NAMES (because the spell affects sure as shit are completely different). I'm sure I've missed some minute shit but honestly can't think of it despite replaying XV on a fresh NG not too long ago.

And that's the problem. You can't just remove all the basic shit, call it mainline, and expect actual longterm fans to be happy. Spinoffs are fine and well such as chocobos dungeon, final fantasy fables, mystic quests, and in-universe spin offs. Type-0 got a free pass because it was a spinoff. But when you remove almost every connection a game has with it's legacy you have a problem.

>>389135942
Yes, but when they take close to ten years to release a new one, I'd rather not experiment anymore and go with what works. I don't want to watch myself age 10 years and then finally sit down and play some failed abortion of an experiment, only to have to wait another ten years for the next attempt. We are not going to see XVI until like 2022-2027.

>>389106663
I know you're being ironic but I, unironically, agree with you.

Is Kingsglaive ant good?

>>389136512
no

>>389136512
No

>>389136512
no

>>389136357
Sometimes a game takes bigger risks. I think X was a huge departure personally and I'm not a huge fan of the game. But I'd rather they keep taking risks like that. FF15 has a lot of neat call backs to the older games, 4 dudes on an adventure feels like FF1 to me and they have a few shots intended to call back to that. The monster designs are also very classic FF which was really cool. I think the magic system was really shitty as well, but it didn't bother me that much because I go with full physical parties as much as possible anyway.

>>389136374
I'm not supporting or defending square's business practices, don't get me wrong.

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>>389135989

I'd agree with you if it was a linear single player game like X and 13. But because it's open world a chunk of the dev time has to go to making the world "wide" instead of narrow but lengthy. I feel a good 35 to 45 hours for the mainline quest is good enough for an open world game. Final fantasy 13 on PC took me about 60 hours to beat, this game took me 29, XV's main quest length is actually not that bad considering the circumstances.

Iirc games like oblivion and skyrim among others have a tiny small main story with a cheaper feel that does not match final fantasy. This game needed to be open world but still have that FF production and polish.


FF has always been about wow'ing the player with high levels of spectacle since the snes days and this game did that in various sets for the brief amount of time the story lasted.

>>389136512
The animation is really good. And has many awesome figthing scenes.

>>389136810
>feels like FF1 to me
It'd be closer to FF3. Your four dudes in FF1 are nameless. What's more the location of your team to the castle (the shot that everybody likes to make comparisons to) is different from Noctis and crew to the city. As is the direction you're going for that matter.

>the monster designs are also very classic
People say this for some reason and I have no clue why.
FF1 had vampires, golems, mucks, eyes, oozes, wolves, ocho's, Chimeras, Unicorns, elementals, mummies, the fiends, minotaurs, etc etc
Even when comparing the two in a vacuum your designs for XV are rather... light, for lack of a better word.

I think people saw goblins, coeurl, tonberry, marlboros, cactuars, and bombs and then did a little fist pump to themselves. Hell we don't even have a weapon and/or warmech/Phyrekyos stand-in. What we get is an adamantoise

There's no such thing as taking risks in a game that a series is using as identification. You know what people expect when they play Final Fantasy? Final Fantasy. Not some game that has the FInal Fantasy title.

Parasite Eve took risks and gave us The 3rd Birthday
Breath of Fire took risks and gave us Dragon Quarter
Castlevania took risks and gave us Lords of Shadow
Silent Hill took risks and gave us Shattered Memories

Nobody fucking wants risks when getting a game with a title. You can depart sure. You can change a few things, why not. But the core of the game SERIES has to be there. That's what a series title infers. That the game is literally going to exhibit elements of the series it's named after. If you want to take so many risks than make your own dang IP. Bravely Default had no problem being it's own thing and World of Final Fantasy is a spin off.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles while having massively different gameplay still captured the final fantasy feel and aesthetic even with different races.

Final Fantasy XV does none of these things. And that's why your fandom is split.

>>389137635
>series is using as identification
>Parasite Eve took risks and gave us The 3rd Birthday
Not defending 3rd birthday but notice how they didn't call it parasite eve 3

>>389137789
There's actually two reasons for that. The rights being held by Hideaki Sena AND the fact that 3rd birthday was actually done with the INTENT of being a reboot.

And yet through their own website they hailed that shit as the continuation of the parasite eve story that fans had been waiting for. If I can find it, there was an interview of this game that made my blood boil.

>>389137635
I think most of the games in the series have been risks honestly. Look at X compared to IX for example.

The monsters aren't 1 to 1 obviously, but they're more of a callback than we've had in a while. The four dudes in 3 were nameless in the original release as well IIRC. I don't think callbacks need to be as 1 to 1 as you do.

Castelvania taking risks also gave us SOTN, Parasite Eve itself was a risk, I won't defend DQ though because I fucking love BOF and that game was a letdown.

Risks don't always pay off, but if everyone had your mentality FF would still be using spell charges and choose a class (I actually might not mind that actually).

>>389137984
SOTN is divisive to the entire castlevania fandom and never will stop being divisive. As is Iga's involvement of the series. Parasite Eve was a risk in the same was Musashi was a risk. That game was going to be made regardless.


>look at X compared to IX
Sound effects
spells
Enemies
Chocobos
Story
Relative linearity
Focus on summons
Character archetypes that stand-in for jobs (excluding wakka)

The things that are actually different are superfluous:
overworld
Summon system
Soundtrack solely but Uematsu
Customization (which hasn't been the same in any final fantasy except arguably 3 and 5)
and moogles not being an actual race (despite being in Amano's artwork for the game)

Any difference you see between X and IX when it comes to series identity is actually small as hell.

And no callbacks don't have to be 1 for 1. You don't even need them. But you need series identity. I can name countless things that every game in the series (with some missing examples in 13) has had, that XV doesn't have. And that's the problem.

You're saying risks but this isn't a risk. It was a complete restructuring of what Final Fantasy was while removing many elements that had, to that point, survived it's 30 year history.

>>389138279
Is the first list supposed to be stuff that is the same? Because X was a big departure in many of those. You're also being fairly generous with the "job" thing. Yuna Lulu and rikku sure. Auron maybe. What job is Tidus? You mentioned Wakka, and Kimahri is barely a dragoon.

At that point you might as well call Gladio a paladin and weenie gunner boy that I forget the name of a mechanist.

FFX removed a world map and an airship that had existed in every game up to that point. That's as big to me as turning magic into what it is in 15. I don't think I'll ever forget how disappointed I was to find out the fucking airship was a menu.

I don't love everything they did with 15, but I hope they keep taking risks.

>>389138853
>stuff that is the same
Yes
>job thing
In order
Tidus: functions as a warrior but his default sphere grid gives him time magic
Kimahri: Did you forget Lancet and all of his blue magic?

>Gladio a paladin
Even if we wanted to suspend our belief for a minute. Paladins get white magic.

>airship
FFX has an airship. It may be menu based but it's an airship nonetheless. There's no worldmap. Of course you're not going to fly around on something that doesn't exist.

And I disagree, the lack of the ability to fly an airship is not equivalent in severity to:
Enemy density
sound effects
soundtrack by anybody who's worked on the game beforehand
job archetypes
The aforementioned airship (unless you're going to call your flying car an airship then that's fine I guess)
ATB
Almost every magic spell in the series history
On demand summons


And if we're going to continue on
Compare XV's customization with even the item based ability acquisition from 9 and tell me which was more engaging. God, not to mention the fucking grind.

Once again, I should mention that every single final fantasy has had a dense set of spells that was and still is unique to it. Which are absent in XV. It's easy to cherry pick but no other final fantasy but XV has removed so much of the series hallmarks and expected fans to be happy.

>>389139738
I also forgot to mention that since magic was cut right out of the game most enemies attacks are also far different than what they used to be. Fucking yoda tonberries being the far right example that we'll be ignoring.

>>389139738
The X soundtrack was also a fairly major departure man. I think the flying car is more of an airship than the FFX menu was honestly. FF10 wasn't ATB and was a totally new battle system. I totally agree they fucked the magic. The customization could have used a lot of work, but customization itself isn't really inherently FF. Look at 1 or 4 for example.

Either way, this was a fairly reasonable conversation so thanks for that.

I still don't get why the important story chapters like 9 feel so disconnected and rushed on a game with a development cycle of over 10 years.

>>389140110
>The X soundtrack was also a fairly major departure man.
Outside of some of the tracks done by Junya Nakano the music was far closer to 8 than 9 was. Despite both being penned by Uematsu.

And while the soundtrack developmental process was indeed a departure it was far less different in practice than 13 was.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160305014821/http://www.1up.com/features/final-fantasy-composer
If you ever want to know how Uematsu views his own music, feel free to read this.

Anyways I mentioned customization because of series evolution.
3 and 4s remakes (or rather just 4) realized that customization was expected, 5 sure had it
6 let customization through espers
7 had materia
8 was junctions
9 had equipment and skills
10 was sphere grid
11 was an mmo with all that entails
12 was license board
13 was crystarium

And while the crystarium was just a more streamlined spheregrid in practice it was something you engaged in as the game went by. XV's customization is extremely weak even when compared against some of the earlier final fantasies, because all the choices are either mandatory or fire and forget, with impact that ends up not changing how you, the player, play at all.

I just thought to mention it because it's one thing of many that ends up being a problem.
Speaking of, we can't also forget that it's the only free action final fantasy in the mainline. Which when compared to some of the shit you have to do to beat sephiroth underleveled also woefully lost a lot of it's strategic depth (or however much that means for an RPG).

Not to mention the process at which you acquire any weapon that's worth a damn

>>389140764
I definitely agree the game had issues, I just don't think it's quite as bad as some make it out to be. Maybe I'm just too forgiving.

>>389141105
It's not the worst thing in the world. I'm just lamenting that the wait ended up not being worth it. Because I expected final fantasy and got an action game.

not to mention it's budget being increased killed star ocean 5

>>389141401
Did it? I skipped 5 after not liking 4.

>>389140405
If you still don't understand by this point you really haven't been paying attention to anything at all.