Oh you, you're no Hollow eh? Here take this Dark Souls thread,

>>389093592
Why doesn't he just drink some estus himself or ask you to haul his ass to the bonfire, this fucking nigger is literally a short walk from the boss room and how did he even get trapped there in the first place?

>>389094201
He was too casual

>>389094201
Maybe he isn't cursed?

Elite knight set is the best set aesthetics wise in all 3 dark souls games.

>>389093592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmbsKHV6hE

>>389094742
Agreed, it has nice stats too

>>389094201
He was climbing on the rooftop and got launched there by the demon on top. Maybe his bones were broken and he could barely move but that begs the question, why didn't he just ask you to pour one in him?

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>>389093592
ITT:
>smiles you couldn't save

>>389093592
How's the Dark Hand out of invasions?

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>>389094982
Still have never bothered saving him because you need 30 fucking Humanity apparently.

>>389094201
>drops you the key from up above, logically means he was on the roof of the asylum
>room he's in has debris and a giant fucking hole in the ceiling, something obviously smashed him through there and fucked him up bad enough that he can't move
>asylum demon jumps down from the roof once you enter his boss room

He was fighting the asylum demon on the roof, got his ass kicked and passes his quest on to you before he hollows

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>>389094982

>>389094467
him talking about being on the undead journey is the first piece of dialogue in the game

plus you fight him hollowed later

>>389095109
>dying to the Asylum Demon
>The demon you can kill with some bombs
Seems like Oscar did not git gud

>I have waited for thee... Foolish slave of the Gods, and pawn of Frampt... I will kill you... And become the true Dark Lord...
Reminder Oscar was originally going to be the penultimate boss.

>>389095116
cute!

>>389094987
In PvE I meant.

>>389093592
So what's up with ENB?

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>>389095253
>So it was you...I had a feeling. I shall destroy you, as fate has commanded me, foolish pawn of Darkstalker Kaathe, and fiendish Dark Lord.
God I wish I could've seen what Dark Souls was supposed to be.

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>>389095169
just dont tell him about chaos pyromancy haha

>>389095059
You don't. There's a way to save him that involves poison cloud.

>>389095652
>A pleasure to meet you. Sage Frampt has spoken to me about you. I am Oscar of Astora. I wish to thank you for ringing the Bell of Awakening. I have received the word of Sage Frampt. I will be fine. You ought to focus on yourself. May we each fulfil our respective purposes!
>I am preparing to leave. I will follow Sage Frampt's instructions, and will seek Anor Londo by way of Sen's Fortress. I hope that we meet again somewhere, one day.
>You must be the same as I; in search of the grave of Sir Artorias. But, be careful. This forest is the territory of a fierce band of thieves. They assault any and all who seek the graves...What if we were to join forces? How about that? If we worked together, we may escape the bandits. Does that appeal to you?
>Things appear to have settled. I was right to partner with you. Thank you. We don't need to band together any more. I will have a short rest here. Feel free to go on ahead...
>o, it was you... I had a feeling... I shall destroy you, as fate has commanded me... Foolish pawn of Darkstalker Kaathe... And fiendish Dark Lord...
Oscar has a bunch of unused dialog, I agree it would've neat to see how his original role played out and if everything after the Lordvessel was actually finished.

>>389095652
I don't know, adding in oscar as a final emotional gut punch feels kind of unnecessary.

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>>389095508
>what's up with ENB?
How long have you been away?
Well, he got back into Soulsborne and did a DS2 and DS3 series, currently trying to 100% Dark Souls 1. In addition to Pus of Man, he's also back hitting that puss of sis.

>>389095845
You still need to give the spider covenant leader 30 humanity so that you can purchase Toxic Mist, and that would kill the maggots without going past the wall.

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>>389094201
Estus tastes like really, really bad.

>>389094742
Disagree, I personally find the default Dark Souls 3 knight to be more aesthetic.

But EK is fucking great too, the DS1 version that is.

Dark Souls 3 is fucking amazing and rivals the first one

>>389096461
Oh shit nigga you're summoning the redditdas2casuals. They'll start shitposting about how short and how many swamps there were.

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>finished Dark Souls 1 around 3 months ago
>nobody playing anymore
>all covenants basically useless
I got summoned once, never invaded and only got one use out of the blue eye orb. Felt really empty without other people.

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>>389096090
>>389095508

Jesus fuck his sister is thirsty for his Sticky White Stuff.

>>389095253
I think he was going to be more like an NPC fight before or after the boss kind of like Shira in TRC.

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>>389096461
No
>>389096446
Why do you like the knight set from 3? It looks kind of plain.

>>389094201
Only the CO can rez forever.

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Why was the first DaS soundtrack so much better than the the other two?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNmoWxErHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr54gJZk_nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0vmbmdexw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpYfCnLhAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dTeRroCZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5zSVzoAdpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd1AKojS7Og
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs59egXnb3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuWvGee4T0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpI-KeK-PQg

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>>389096727
I do like it for it's plainness but I mostly really like the helmet of the DS3 Knight. Very reminiscent of DeS Fluted set but does not look like a duck.

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>>389096671
I wish I played the Souls series at its peak years ago but better late than never I guess

>>389096926
Personally, I didn't like DaS's soundtrack as much as the other Souls games including Bloodborne

>>389096592
but seriously fucking swamps are ass I live in one and love it but from makes them hell

>>389096671
You a PS4fag? Get Bloodborne, it's still got an active community.

>>389093592
How do I play online with the MULTi9-PROPHET pack?

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>>389096926
>Sif fight
>Alternate cutscene
>The OST breaks in
Fuck man, not the dog.

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>>389097035
Bloodborne is the only game with a better OST in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4

>>389097160
The PvP in Bloodborne is fucking shit though and invasions are nonexistent.

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>>389097308
Wish more games would do stuff like this.

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>>389097405
>get him down to low health
>he starts limping
Jesus, these fights were so memorable.

>>389096090
>>389096697
Why is his wife ok with this?

>>389098213
What's Ridley doing next to Seath and Kalameet?

>>389098494
That's Midir, the dragonzilla

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>>389098093
His ex-wife was a megacunt and used ENB as a means to get a green card and then divorced him. She never miscarried the two children like she told Marcus, she either had abortions in secret or never was pregnant in the first place. Either way she thought one anchor baby was good enough.

After that shit I don't blame him for going back balls deep into his sister.

>>389096671
>only got one use out of the Blue Eye Orb.
More or less how much Darkmoons got pvp even in the game's prime.

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>>389098662
>DaS 3 so forgettable I completely forgot about that fight

>>389094890
lewd

>>389098494
That is clearly Sinh, not Seathe

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desert souls fucking when?

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>>389098945
Dunno man, I thought that Dark Souls 3 had a bunch of great and memorable fights.

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>>389094201
>>389094890
Maybe he had already been through Hell up to that point, and getting punched off that roof was the last straw for him.

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>>389099457
Aside from this guy I don't really remember a whole lot, this was a really good fight though one of my favorites.

>>389099457
The only thing I remember about DaS3's bosses was how disappointing most of them were.

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>>389099425
No sand, but we've had plenty of ash.

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>>389099631
>No romance option for Anastacia

>>389099724
>>389099832
>you can't romance Quelana

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>>389099832

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>>389099901
>>389099832
>no redemption path for Lautrec

>>389100109
Nah, Lautrec was a prick and probably masturbated to Anastasia's corpse pretending it was his goddess

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>>389100109
He seemed pretty set on his path.

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>post yfw this moment
https://youtu.be/Z9dNrmGD7mU?t=2m14s

Is there a mod I can download to get rid of the glowing ring around my body when I wear the wolf ring? or a mod that gets rid of the yellow arrow in the top left corner when i'm wearing lautrec's ring?

they annoy the shit out of me

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No matter what weapon or build I go for I always crave the AGS in DaS3 and end up reverting back to it. The move-set, damage, and range is ridiculous for PVE and PVP. Literally hold R2 to win against player sized enemies without taking one hit. Easily the best non-meme Ultra weapon in the game.

>>389095218
No, you're fighting asylum demon after Oscar did 95% of the damage

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>>389101029

>>389093592

What a piece of shit of a series, i wouldmonkeypaw it out of existence

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>>389102204
What's wrong with Dark Souls?

Fuck this thread. I'm still pissed we didn't get to visit Astora. Or Catarina. Or Vinheim.

>>389102204
>I wish dark souls never existed
>replaced by a game exactly like dark souls but with a different name

>hang around darkened anor londo
>summon the people expecting o&s coop to fight dorkmoons and dickwraiths
this is fun

>>389103550
What version? Ps3?

>>389103665
PC. There's reasonable activity if you use DSCM.

>>389099901
>Impliying quelana upgrading your flame isnt pretty much pyromancer marriage

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>>389103696
Damn, really? By the time I found out about that I was already in the at the last lordvessel boss so I never bothered. I'll have to try that out then. When are people normally on?

>>389094201
The world of Dark Souls is completely subjective. When the First Flame brands an undead with the Darksign, they become trapped in an alternate dimension created by the bonfire network. As such, each undead experiences their own timeline of events. When you die in your own world, or merely rest at a bonfire, time is reset to a previous stable state. As such, only you actually experience your own resurrection. Any fellow undead who dies in your world appears to you to die permanently, as their timeline becomes desynchronized with yours. Likewise when you die, your fellow undead see you dying permanently.

So Oscar just respawned at the last bonfire somewhere, from his perspective at least. You are, to him, like any other NPC that one might rescue from a locked room.

That's also one of the interesting things which separate Undead from Unkindled: Undead are full-bodied humans who have been forcibly bound to the Bonfire Network, but Unkindled are manifestations of the First Flame itself, substantiated by the memories of failed Undead. That's why Unkindled can warp immediately but Undead require a Lordvessel: Unkindled are basically sentient bonfires, innately connected to the power of the First Flame.

>>389102270

So much on so many levels animeposter its a miracle that this hot pile of garbage gets the attention it gets

>>389102434
Why would we need to see those places? It's best left to the imagination.

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>>389104425
You didn't actually answer my question.

>>389101391
Astora GS is one of the biggest meme weapons though.

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>>389103992
People are on all the time. Not a lot of people, but people nonetheless. I was playing from 3pm EST to 7 today and getting decent variety, and now at 11pm it's still pretty active.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DEEP
IS IT WATER
IS IT THE ABYSS
IS IT ANOTHER REALITY ALA BB
PLEASE RESPOND

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>>389095059
>solaire turned out to be just some baller-ass undead with zero affiliation with gwyn

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Guys is it me or does Dark Souls 3 suck dick? I'm playing it for the first time and my enjoyment is nowhere near as high as when I played the first one. Granted that was like 5 years ago. Like what is the general consensus on this game.

>>389104972
>Can even help you to kill him

>>389103974
WHY COULDN'T I MAKE HER FEEL BETTER ABOUT LOSING HER FAMILY BY GIVING HER A LARGE NEW FAMILY

>>389096446
the devs literally confirmed it was like orange juice with fizz.

someone post the screenshot

>>389105014
Bottom two for sure. The world design was ruined because they built it around teleportation from the start rather than having a nice interconnected world like the first one and build variety is the worst of the three. Worst of all though, the game has no identity and can't stand on its own without throwing a bunch of DaS references at you.

>>389094201
He was defeated by the asylum demon, respawns and finds that you were able to kill it and he was not. He then accepts that if he couldn't beat the demon then he is mostly not strong enough to be the undead from legend, accepts that it is you who are destined and hollows after losing his purpose. He essentially represents all the casual players who couldn't even beat the asylum demon and gave up thinking dark souls was too hard.

>>389105014
First playthrough is quite fun.
I got all the achievments in about 120 hours and dropped it after that
Even bought the season pass on sale but i just can't be fucked getting around to playing through the game again to get to it
It's my least played DaS game yes, i played DaS2 more than it

>>389104508

Forget it, enjoy this thread

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>they made a living model of the wolf
>never seen in-game

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How the actual fuck did he make it past the archers on his first try?

>>389105586
He wasn't the average shitter

>>389105201
I think Quelana was too stuck in the past to move on. She outright tells you that her walking the swamps was just her pretending to purify herself and that in reality she desperately wants to save her family but is too frightened to ever set foot in Izalith ever again.

>>389105562
>inb4 the hair was too taxing on fps

>>389105586
They didn't attack him cause he's gywn's lost son (not the dragon weeb)

>>389105828
>he's gywn's lost son
[citation needed]

>>389105876
Fuck off vaati don't steal my lore interpretations/

>>389105925
Is there any actual evidence to suggest that or are you just making that up? I thought the Nameless King was Gwyn's son.

lads what are the best graphics mods to make the game look 11/10 for a new playthrough

>>389104895
The Deep is what remains of an undead after every single part of them has hollowed and withered away. It is the most base, carnal desires and hunger. It is related to Abyss, but you can think of it as Abyss-turned-bad.

See, the Abyss is not strictly evil. Abyss represents "wanting" and "yearning". The Abyssal part of man--the Dark Soul, basically--is what the Gods feared most because it is what drives them to constantly seek greater strength, to struggle and strive and almost never give up.

The Deep, however, is what yout get when "want" turns to "greed" and "gluttony". Creatures which exist only to consume and devour mindlessly, even to the destruction of their own selves, are creatures of the Deep.

In other words, like how Chaos is the worst aspects of Fire gone out of control, Deep is the worst aspects of Abyss. If Miyazaki were to retcon DS1 today, he would probably label Manus and the beings which consumed Oolacile as beings of the Deep. Maybe. Not sure on that one yet.

>>389105014
After playing Dark Souls 3 I have a much better appreciation of 2. 2 has a bunch of flaws but it still felt like it's own game with it's own setting and it's own ascetic. 3 on the other hand just feels like it's just riding on the coattails of the first game.
DS2 had a couple of great bosses then a whole lot of shitty ones but at least the shitty ones kinda stuck with me. DS3 on the other hand had a couple of great bosses then a whole bunch of completely forgettable ones. And the same can be said with zones.

>>389106069
DS1 holds up surprisingly fucking well graphically. With the exception of Izalith there isn't a single zone that I think looks needs any touchups.

>>389106159
>feels like it's just riding on the coattails of the first game.
Pardon the pun, but it really was a soulless game and forgettable in just about every way.

>>389105925

Ironic, considering who was the one who popularized that bullshit theory.

>>389106042

That's cause he is. Only autists clinging to the nostalgia of DS1 theories haven't accepted that.

>>389106159

>DS2 had a couple of great bosses then a whole lot of shitty ones but at least the shitty ones kinda stuck with me. DS3 on the other hand had a couple of great bosses then a whole bunch of completely forgettable ones.

Completely opposite for me. I remember the better DS2 bosses, but I keep forgetting most of them. I can at least remember shittier bosses, like the tree in DS3.

>>389106280
Fair enough, i'll dick around with a few things and see how it goes, this threads made me want to replay it again, especially if DSCM works as well as some say.
i just need a fun build to play that i haven't played before

>>389103993
Cool theory, but how do you classify permanent hollowing?
Just giving up?

>>389098836
>More or less how much Darkmoons got pvp even in the game's prime.
Poor unlucky bastards.
I never had any real trouble getting invasions as a Darkmoon. Even reached level 3 a couple of times.
Most of them probably happened in the Painted World though. What a great place for invasions.

Does anyone else hate the shitty Bloodborne lanky enemies that DS3 had? The first game had a very realistic stocky feel to it but all the enemies in 3 are these fucking cartoonishly long models.

>>389106280
Speaking of Izalith, did no one in fucking devolpment play through the zone and think to themselves "Holy fuck this lava is bright we need to turn it down a bit" The zone is such a fucking eye sore I do the humanity farming to open the shortcut just so I don't have to fucking turn my brightness all the way down.

>>389106494
DS3 in general felt like they tried to combine BB with DaS and it didn't fucking work at all.

>Friend sees I'm online and asks for help
>Say I'm busy with something and can't
>That something is spree invading, though I don't tell him
>Eventually he ends up being one of the people I invade
>"Oh, so that's what your busy with?"
Anyone else got awkward stories?

>>389106659
The worst part to me is that there's a sound to indicate you're taking damage when in lava so the whole area you're hearing WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH.

Garbage area, absolutely zero redeeming qualities.

>>389106790
>Garbage area, absolutely zero redeeming qualities.
You get to sigh in relief when it's finally over and don't have to return.

>>389106790
Which sucks since the witches and demons were really interesting.

>>389106408
Right, but there's two different ways it can manifest: when an NPC in your world turns hollow, that's a result of them losing the will to live and desynchronizing from your timeline. But what does hollowing look like from the victim's perspective? I believe it looks like... nothing, really. In fact, it's possible for you yourself to experience hollowing: just give up and stop playing. When a player gets frustrated at Dark Souls and quits, that literally represents the willpower leaving their character's body. A player that never returns is just another Undead which lost its purpose and gave up on life.

>>389105442
i actually like this interpretation

>>389106989
I've beaten Ornstein and Smough probably ten times or so but ever only beaten Gwyn three times, I always just go to the DLC after O&S and make a new character once I beat Manus.

Duke's Archive and New Londo are alright but Tomb of the Giants, Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith just aren't worth my time.

>>389107235
Tomb of the Giants was good for invading.
With all the darkness it was easy to use Chameleon and stalk hosts.

>>389093592
A fine dark soul to you

>>389107235
Same, particularly because nothing in the main game really gets harder than Oolacile, so once I've beaten that I feel confident in saying I've beaten the game. These days the only time I ever finish collecting Lord Souls is when I'm trying a NG+ run or something.

>>389107235
>two of the most interesting characters in the whole series
>both have the two shittiest zones in the game
Feels bad man

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>We will never know why this cunt was blue

>>389107667
absence of light

>Sulyvahn and the Deep were some of the more interesting parts of DaS3
>fucking nothing in the DLCs outside of two spells

>>389107581
Shit, if you buy the theory that the Milfanito are descendents of Nito himself, AND that The Rotten is Nito reincarnated, that dude gets 3 of the worst zones across two separate games. First of the Dead? More like Worst of the Dead.

I wish Gravelording had actually worked without NG+.
Roleplaying in the early game as one in the Parish would have been better. It's not as fun knowing you're just waiting for people to take a shot at you rather than trying to break a curse on their world.

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>>389107581
What a disappointing fight too.
>Kill skeletons
>Bait out AAAHAHHHHHHHHHHH
>Slash away
>Repeat
10/10 design though, the Souls games have some of the best art direction ever.

>>389107667
>We will never know why this cunt didn't realize it was the hollow holding the torch and not you

>>389107903
>jump into pit
>lose most of my HP from the fall, drink estus in a panic
>nito ghost-stabs me through the ground and kills me instantly
fastest i've ever died to a boss so far

>>389107780
>Dark Souls 3 spent more time trying to explain things from DS1 that didn't need to be explained instead of elaborating on their own lore
I know that at the time there was a lot of mystery around DS1's lore but honestly it has a pretty straight forward narrative when you put all the information together. DS3 seems like it's just trying to be cryptic and confusing because that's what everyone thought Souls lore has to be.

If DS2 misunderstood what makes Dark Souls difficulty as great as it is, then DS3 misunderstood what makes Dark Souls lore as interesting and compelling as it is.

>>389096592
You don't have to like Dark Souls 2 to know 3 is a failure of a sequel in the exact same vein.

>>389107903
Anyone have the webm of him without his cloak?

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>>389108004

>>389107667
Never did get his popsicle sword

>>389108004
For me it was Gascoigne, I think I died in no kidding about three seconds flat to him my first attempt but he wasn't that big of a problem for me in the end. Only took me five tries I think but he really made you git gud at Bloodborne.

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>>389108113

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>one of the coolest and lore significant weapon in the game
>worst fucking stat requirements of all time
>it doesn't even scale that good
Am I the only person who actually invested the 20 faith and 20 int to use this badboy

>>389094201
Gameplay and story segregation

>>389107835
>More like Worst of the Dead.
Well that's kind of a given.
He's the first of the dead, as in when mortality came into existence he was THE first being to fuck up and die.
It's like winning a "prize" for being dead last.

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>>389108389
What weapon is this?

>>389107780
Sulyvahn is implied to have abandoned the Painted World as it was falling to rot. When he arrived in our world and saw the Cycle of Fire, it reminded him of the rot and decay of his own world and he made it his mission to prevent the Flame from being linked and letting the world die in darkness. Basically, every bad thing in DS3 is Elfriede's fault because she was too weak to link the flame herself and wanted to retreat to a world where she would never be afraid of dying, which force Sulyvahn into our world where he wanted to make SURE that everything would die.

As for the Deep, I think there are enough clues throughout the main game and the Ringed City as to its true nature. I posted my own speculation a little while ago in this thread.

>>389108538
Boku no pico

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>>389108538
Greatsword of Artorias. 24/18/20/20 are the requirements, and C/C/B/B is the scaling because fucking usability I guess.

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>>389095218
>>389101619

>>389100109
Redemption would require for him to have done something wrong.

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>>389108578
You seem lore literate, what can you tell me about Crossbreed Priscilla? Is she a prisoner of the Painted World or something?

>>389108578
>Sulyvahn was the good guy this entire time
For some reason I picture a younger Sulyvahn sitting on Elfriede's lap and asking her why the world is fucked and then ending in /ss/

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>Miss the Dark Souls thread
Do this tomorrow too, please.

>>389103993
>>389107126
>>389105442
I like these.

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>>389108827
Sorry, only one dark souls thread per eon.

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>>389106764
>invading blighttown as hypermode archer
>nail a guy with an arrow, he runs off and hides
>adds me on steam and gives me fanmail about being a twink
>tell him to suck my nuts and it's fair because my HP and damage output means either of us can kill the other in (basically) one hit
>close steam overlay
>he's run past my watchtower
>put my bow away
>chase him
>

>>389108820
>Sulyvahn having contact with Elfriede
>EVER

He was banging the dancer.

>>389108657
it's pretty much purpose-made for keeping up on later ng+ cycles

not so good on a first playthrough or a pvp build, but when you can afford to softcap all four offensive stats it's one of the better weapons in the game

>>389108761
The only thing confirmed about the Painted World is that this land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind.

>>389108897
That sucks since this thread isn't filled with "BUT 2, BUT 3, NEVER EVER" like every other one.

>>389108761
Depends on the interpretation. Some Gwyn put her there to hide her away from the outside world because he was pissed about his daughter fucking a dragon, Or this is what Seath was attempting to do with all those captured maidens he was experimenting on There is another Theory that Velka put her there to protect her because she can stop all the shit in the world or something.
Honestly I never cared for the theory the Velka is behind all of it. I've always interpreted the non gameplay reason for why Velka is the only god to continue to appear is because she is the goddess of sin and throughout the existence of man no matter if it's an age of dark or light, man always sins and thus she is always necessary.

>>389109192
>his daughter fucking a dragon
>implying it wasn't his son fucking a dragon
there's a reason he was expunged from history

>>389108389
Your sword doesn't have to be that good when you have the best shield in the known universe.

>>389109192
>Honestly I never cared for the theory the Velka is behind all of it
>Get taken to Lordran by a crow
>Kill off all of the old remnants from the Age Of Fire
>Honestly I never cared for the theory the Velka is behind all of it

???

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>>389109295
Objectively best shield.

>>389108947
>implying /ourguy/ Suly wasn't pimp enough for both of them

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>>389109367
>everyone always splooshes over GCS
>I get to keep my shieldfu for myself
Feels great m8

>>389099631
post her feet

>>389107235
>>389107835
>ToG
>bad
You must be blind

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>>389107780
Dark Souls 3 had some extremely captivating lore with Lothric and Irithyll and Sulyvahn and they just flat out abandoned all it in both DLCs, just as I was really starting to like it.

In Dark Souls 2 the base game's lore was downright terrible, nobody had any motivation, pivotal characters felt flat and had little about them in item descriptions, and overall the world felt small and meaningless, but the DLC lore expanded on all of that shit. They answered literally everything about Vendrick/Nashandra/Aldia AND still introduced its own new characters with their own interesting lore, each one tying to plot points in base game in some way.

I still can't believe Phil fucking killed Oscar.

>>389109367
That isn't a shield, that's a stamina boosting charm.

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Best covenant.

>>389096090

>white people

Reminder that if you think that Manus is the Furtive Pygmy then you are objectively wrong. Yes that includes the developers as well

>>389109636
>gimme gimme human tendies
nah fuck off

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>>389109579
>tfw Alva found Zullie after it was too late
Why do I have these feels for characters that don't even really appear?

>>389100445
Kirk was only Dickwraithing to help the fair lady.

He was a good person in the end.

>>389109785
Zullie gave herself or was emprisoned by the fucking Judicators right?

>>389109757
As apossed to scalefags, hippes, and traps?

>>389109757
She let's you bypass most of the worst part of the game, for that she's alright.

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>>389095059
If you don't talk to him in anor londo his questline won't continue, this let's you clear all of the demon ruins and old izalith and allows you to open the shortcut.
After that you can talk to solaire in anor londo to make his questline continue, but since you opened the shortcut you are now able to save him without having a high quelana rank.

>>389108761
Ehh, Priscilla is kind of a clusterfuck. I can say that it seems like Priscilla, the Painter Girl, and Yorshka all seem to be similar... things. They all have reptilian eyes with scales around their faces, and Priscilla and Yorshka both have noticeable tails.

I believe that these "Crossbreeds" are an attempt by the Gods to harness the immortality of the everlasting dragons, in the hope that their undying souls could be the bedrock for an undying world.

Priscilla seems to be the first of such experiments, but by the time we see her, her world has already fallen to what would eventually be called Rot. Perhaps she doesn't realize that Rot is a bad thing? By the time of the Ariandel, it seems like the Crossbreeds have learned that even their eternal life cannot prevent the world from dying, but they seem to have learned how to rebuild it indefinitely--barring any out side interference of course.

Yorshka remains an open question though. Perhaps she never got a chance to paint her own world before Anor Londo fell? Perhaps she's the anchor which allows Anor Londo to exist at all.

Also worth mentioning the Emerald Herald, as she doesn't look like the others but she is explicitly stated to be created via experimenting on dragons, and she is very immortal. The opening of DS2 implies that Drangleic exists in some otherworldly place, so maybe that entire game takes place in a constructed world like Ariamis or Ariandel?

>>389109636
>Join spider tits to bypass izalith
>Join old cat lady to bypass darkroot forest
Why DaS1 is the only das game with off-line benefits to covenants besides the specifics spells/gear?.

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>>389099832
No tongue, anon.

>>389110024
Very true.
>>389109951
As opposed to being a boss invading grapebro

>>389108761
post her feet.

I have her model in SFM, I could post them if youd like

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>>389109947
Pretty sure she was killed and imprisoned by the Judicators while she was out adventuring with Alva. Guy failed to save his girl twice

>>389110073
Fromsoft decides which features are added in by drawing papers out of a hat and drop them the same way.

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>>389110052
What do you get for saving him anyways?

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Is there anyone else aside from Aldia and Sulyvahn that thinks the Age of Fire/Dark is nothing but a sham, even as an implication?

>>389110342
You can summon him for Gwyn.

>>389110342
you can summon him for gwyn if you do

>>389110342
His summon sign at the kiln, and a questline without a bad ending.

>>389110342
You can summon him to fight Gwyn

>>389110302
This is sadly true, they fix problems only to drop the solutions later on. Like how Estus was an objective upgrade from healing grass but they regressed with Blood Vials and then DaSII actually made NG+ interesting by changing up enemy placements and then this is dropped from DaSIII for no reason.

Sometimes I wonder if the first Dark Souls was a fluke.

>>389110486
They're 3/5 so I'd say whatever they did worked.

>>389110364
>Aldia became a tree looking fuck related to fire that is known for being a scholar
>Sulyvahn is a tree looking fuck related to fire that is known for being a scholar

>>389109579
Wait, what is this shit about Suleiman that people think is so deep? Isn't he just some guy who escaped Ariandel and founded Irithyll? Not really that interesting. And...was the Darkmoon bitch his sister? I couldn't really determine, DS "lore" is about as coherent as a drunken Scotsman's rage.

>>389095171
>implying I didnt end him right then and there

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>>389108827
u-uncensored pic please?

>>389110364
Seath probably didn't care and was just happy that it distracted the mortals so he could focus on his autism science, but that's more speculation then anything since the ages weren't that thought out in the first game. The princes either thought that it was a sham or just didn't feel like sacrificing themselves for their autistic dad. Vendrick kinda figured it out near the end which caused him to hollow. Most other characters either die in service of the Ages or are too insignificant to care and just live their lives in search of meaning and accomplishing goals like patches and the onion knights etc.

>>389108820
I wouldn't necessarily call him a good guy. He was doing what he thought was right, but that's partly because he grew up in a world where rotting and decaying is literally the worst thing imaginable, and almost everyone agrees that the world is supposed to die when it gets too old.

You, being a manifestation of the First Flame's will, exist in total opposition to that. Your entire purpose is to fight for the preservation of light and life no matter what. You are the avatar of the Godhead screaming "FUCK YOU ASSHOLES I WILL NOT GO GENTLY INTO THAT DARK NIGHT!"

To Sulyvahn, you represent everything he stands against (not to mention he probably knows that Elfriede came from your world to ruin his). So sure, Sulyvahn may be a "good guy" but his idea of goodness means the death of your entire universe.

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>>389110364
vendrick guides you to follow another path when you talk to him in his memory

flann

>>389110671
>Sulyvahn is a tree looking fuck related to fire that is known for being a scholar

You know I didn't notice that before. Thought he was wearing a mirror like mask.

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>Wanted to upgrade weapon to get fire buff for Gwyn
>End up bringing in four Skeleton Wheels behind me
>They kill Vamos
Fuck.

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>>389110887
This guy and Lloyd. Are they really gods in the first place?

>>389110863
Honestly I really loved the idea of the final boss of Vendrick specifically trying to stop people from rekindling the fire. He gathered his strongest warriors, created all these incredibly complicated puzzles and traps and essentially let his kingdom to ruin just so that he could keep assholes like the bearer of the curse away from the kiln.

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>>389110894
People often think that his face looks like it is covered in wax, like the scholars in the Grand Archives

>>389111023
I miss the multiple blacksmiths. Sure getting to Vamos was one of the most irritating things in the world but it gave a much better sense of accomplishment when you do get these new awesome weapons.

>>389111141
Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Sulyvahn and the Dark Lurkers from DS2? They both have similar designs, they both make ghostly clones that follow their movesets, they both use a mix of fire and dark attacks. Maybe I'm just reaching.

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>>389111141
I love concept art from these games. How the hell do people even come up with this stuff?

>>389111404
I would've said the Four Kings.

>>389111404
>Aldia is a tree-like scholar attempting to cease the cycle that he believes causes stagnation in the world that is associated with fire
>the Darklurker is a being born of Dark, waiting in the deepest and emptiest reaches of the world
>Pontiff Sulyvahn is a tree-like scholar
born in an empty, hostile place attempting to cease the stagnation of the cycle and is related to the Deep and the Profane flame

>>389111404
dark lurker is based on an enemy from kings field, so yes you are reaching

it should go without saying also that das2 is a fan made ripoff game and not a real game in the series

>>389111680
You deleted your other post just to attach that sentence?

>>389111591
Who are the Four Kings anyways and why do they have a Lord Soul? I thought only primordial beings like Nito, Seath and the Witch of Izalith had them, shouldn't Gwyn have the fourth?

>>389111096
Yeah man, I feel the same as you do. Although he isn't supposed to be the last boss which is aldia btw. This idea makes much more sense and honestly that's the best ending from soft could find where vendrick finds the cure and give it to the bearer, which makes him the first unkindled...

>>389110070
>The opening of DS2 implies that Drangleic exists in some otherworldly place, so maybe that entire game takes place in a constructed world like Ariamis or Ariandel?

One of the things I could deduce from Drangleic that makes it fucky is that the flow of time is different from Lordran, and that rather than being convoluted, time constantly runs on repeat with kingdoms constantly rising and falling in the same spots indefinitely.

My theory is that Aldia is the reason Drangleic works so differently from the rest of the world. He's constantly anchored to the ground, and at the same time always present wherever you go.

At some point, his roots must have successfully dug a network all the way through Drangleic, making the land as immortal as he is.

>>389111809

Too many typos.

>>389111537
>>389111680
What did you mean by this?

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>>389111763
>it should go without saying also that das2 is a fan made ripoff game and not a real game in the series
That's not giving it a fair shake at all. DSII came out the way it did, as we all know and you should too, because of Bamco's meddling and scrapping much of the content of the game.

>>389111828
Gwyn gave a piece of a Lord Soul to the Four Kings that ruled New Londo.

>>389111828
Gwyn gave a piece of his soul to Seath, and another piece to the Four Kings.

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>>389111918
>we will never see what Dark Souls II was like originally
>we will never get a more fleshed out Shanalotte
Still mad

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At one point I got bored with invasions, so I threw on some Patches cosplay and started helping hosts. Sen's Fortress was by far the best place for this, with Catacombs being a close second. People always need help there.

Although I tried my best, I often made mistakes.

Sometimes in my excitement I prematurely set off arrow traps.
At times they thought I suddenly stopped as a pendulum swung down behind me. It was just lag on their end.
There's nothing quite like charging ahead of the host, aggroing the mimic, then fleeing up the elevator and realizing the host isn't actually with you. Or clumsily rolling around and swinging at nothing because mimics are too scary to approach.
In at least one instance the host didn't heal afterwards and actually died to the spikes in the elevator. We both tried to get out at once and blocked each other, you see. A terrible accident.
Then there was that time we prepared to fight the Iron Golem. The host went ahead, but disaster struck. I had urgent matters to attend to IRL. Unfortunately this caused my phantom to get parked in the doorway, also preventing the summoned Tarkus from reaching the fog door and leaving the host alone against the coop buffed Iron Golem.

Some hosts viewed me with suspicion due to my cosplay of choice, but that was obviously unfounded paranoia. Patches is just aesthetic!

>>389111763
There should have never been any sequels to Dark Souls, just spiritual successors like Bloodborne. If Dark Souls 2 was just called something like Dragon's Curse, or Bearers or something dumb and artsy like that, I think it would have fit much better in From's library of games. Dark Souls 3 is completely unsalvagable on a lore stand point in my opinion because it spends too much of it's time trying to answer questions from the first game that didn't need answers.

>>389108696
>>389101619
>>389095218
That's probably the most likely thing that happened. Don't you fight another asylum demon later on and he's much harder

>>389111918
that's what it feels like, just being honest.

that weird red tint on the entire game. le sigh.

>>389109565
might as well be in ToG

OFFICIAL, UNCONTESTED DARK SOULS 3 BOSS POWER RANKINGS, SPONSORED BY STATE FARM INSURANCE:

--Objectively best tier--
1. Slave Knight Gael
2. Pontiff Suleiman the Magnificent
3. Super Gimp Bros.
4. Abyss Watchers
5. Sister Freed (would have been #1 but gets bumped down for the atrocious second phase)
6. Dual Demons / Demon Prince

--Flawed but enjoyable tier--
7. Nameless Kangz 'n shiet
8. The Consumed Kang 'n shiet
9. Yhorm the Giant (with Siegmeyer as ally)
10. Crystal Sage
11. Champion Gundyr / Iudex Gundyr

--Passable tier--
12. Aldrich
13. Dragonslayer Armor
14. Deacons of the Deep (they get a bump up because of good soundtrack / presentation)
15. Vordt of the Boreal Valley
16. Curse-rotted Greatwood
17. Half-light, Spear of the Church

--Objectively shit tier--
18. Dancer of the Boreal Valley (it's a shit boss when you don't even get hit by it)
19. Champion's Gravetendies
20. High Lord Wojak
21. Old King Coal

--Holy fuck I hope someone got fired for this tier--
22. Midir
23. Soul of Cinder

If you think the bottom two were even acceptable as bosses, kindly link the first flame and burn urselves,

>>389112141
>that weird red tint on the entire game
?
>>389112094
>Dark Souls 3 is completely unsalvagable on a lore stand point
That's really not the general opinion. Dark Souls III lore gets discussed heavily on /v/, more so than Bloodborne.

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>>389111953
>>389111997
So I know Seath allied with Gwyn and allowed them to take out the Dragons so that makes sense but is there a reason why he gave a piece to the Four Kings?

>>389112327
A sign of good faith to the humans.

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Was he the most alpha character in the game?

>>389112327
Soul of one of the Four Kings, who fell to the Dark. A fragment of a Lord Soul discovered at the dawn of the Age of Fire.
Lord Gwyn recognized the foresight of these four great leaders of New Londo, and granted them their ranks and the fragments of a great soul. Although this is not a full Lord Soul, it can still satiate the Lordvessel.

They must've been cool cats.

>>389112327
Gave men a piece of power to rule their own kingdom and as >>389112370 said. Which is expanded upon the ringed city because the gods needs to administrate everything in existence.

>>389112413
>fanfic expansion to a fanfic game

he isnt part of the series

>>389110210
Do it.

>>389110753
he reappears no matter how you mash through his dialogue

Are the four kings in DkS related with the four kings in drangleic?

>>389112257
I personally think that the lore in D3 felt like a fanfic for lorefags from DS1, by attempting to fill plot gaps, or retcon in and out details, and add new bits and pieces it removes a lot of the mystery and wonder that the original game's story had. The ringed city in particular was a terrible offender of this with all the changes they made about the dark souls and the undead.

>>389112413
He had a very nice and tragic lore

>>389110364
Well, here's an interesting thought: The Ringed City reveals that in the earliest days of the world, the Pygmies (humans) fought right alongside the Gods against the Dragons. However, when the Gods discovered the Pygmies were wielding the Abyss, they were terrified, and sealed the Pygmy lords and their strongest knights in The Ringed City for all eternity.

The rest of humanity, they tricked into serving their will, linking their souls to the First Flame and creating the cycle that we see today. But it also seems as if that cycle causes the tiny fragments of the Abyss within the hearts of all humans to run wild, eventually transforming them into the Abyssal monsters which the Gods were truly afraid of.

Aldia seems to be furious at the Gods not merely for enslaving humanity, but for destroying their potential to be Gods themselves. As he said, "A lie remains a lie!" but what exactly is the truth?

When a creature like Manus emerges and destroys whole kingdoms singlehandedly, is that what humanity was destined to become, or did the Gods make us that way with their eternal cycles? The Ringed Knights, for instance, are perhaps the earliest humans to ever embrace and wield the Abyss in battle, but they all seem relatively sane and dedicated to the preservation of Gwyn's little hidden kingdom. Perhaps THAT'S what humanity was supposed to become--not monsters, but merely a different kind of God.

Perhaps Gwyn's fear of mankind's potential was what caused them to become so terrifyingly destructive. If he had never cursed them, perhaps they would have built an even grander kingdom than he could imagine. Instead, they turned into monsters more powerful than he could know.

But even knowing that, does that mean it's wrong to fight monsters? Even if one admits that Gwyn was a fool, his error simply cannot be corrected. The alternative is simply... death. For everyone. Forever. Is that worth the moral victory of shattering Gwyn's lies?

>>389112413
He literally dicked the evil out of a shard of Manus.

>>389096308
you pick up poison mist in blighttown m8

>>389112413
>Spawn of a being made of pure darkness comes to him with the sole purpose of seducing and leading him to ruin
>He is so charming and cool that she falls so deeply in love with him that she can't bare to fulfill her plan
>He dies being the coolest fucking dude and holding back the chaos from destroying his kingdom and potentially the world
>She makes sure to keep his legacy alive.
If there has ever been a Chad in video games he would be it.

>>389112763
Can someone make an edit of "Virgin Iron King" and "Chad Ivory King"?

>>389112824
Holy shit this.

>>389112824
>kingdom fell to ruin before the evil queen even got there
>gets cucked out of a darkness waifu by some exiled knight
It fucking writes itself

>>389112696
>>389112763
Was Alsanna inherently evil in the first place? The girl was the manifestation of Manus' fears which I think is not really that bad if compared to rage and greed.

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>Realize Dark Souls is all about existentialist angst
>reminded of that theme from the "Golden Age" storyline in Berserk
>Even has an important chapter called "Bonfire of Dreams"

Reminder that Miyazaki is a hack and stole everything from Berserk.

>>389112504
This.

>>389112942
The spawn are essentially parasites who latch onto individual of great power in order with their goals essentially just being
1:Find alpha guy and lead him to ruin
2:???
3:Darkness

>>389112978
>there is a character called Rikkard that is literally just Rickert from Berserk
No shit Sherlock

>>389095109
>>389101619
holy shit it all makes sense now

>>389113123

What I dont' get is: why not just go to the source instead of copying? They could hire Miura as a writer/artist for their next game. A collaboration.

Objectively
DaS > BB > DeS > DaS2 >>> DaS3

Personally
DaS > DaS2 > DeS > BB >>>>>> DaS3

>>389113123
>>389113494
>there is a character called Rikkard that is literally just Rickert from Berserk
What the fuck? He wears the elite knight set, carries a bow, and was a prince. Please tell me how this is "literally just Rickert from Berserk." You people don't even know what you're talking about.

>>389113540
That's a good list

>>389113540
Is DaS3 really that bad?
It's the only one I haven't played yet.

>>389096461

Its a worse Bloodbone in every possible way

>>389112116
The Stray and Firesage Demons are reskinned Asylum Demons but both are optional.

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>>389094982
I'm so sorry man, I should have let you stay

>>389110364

What happened in this gif? I mean, I understand literally what's happening: An invader attacks Priscilla before the host gets there so she's aggro'd and he has to kill her to escape. But how did he get in the arena? Cheats?

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>>389113586
Oh wait I just realized they didn't even change his name Rikkard was a different character. I meant this guy. Most memorable Dark Souls character out there

>>389113615

It´s bland, boring, and feels like a DaS fanfic rather than a sequel

>>389113693
Yes, CE.

>>389112874
>>389112915
Virgin Iron King
>needed another person to make his kingdom
>wife turned herself into a snake bitch
>couldn't even hold his kingdom together with his magic powers
>cosplays as LotR characters
>crown is heavy and spiky, clearly over compensating
>symbol is the bull to remind himself of Sir Alonne
>kingdom fell to ruin before the evil queen got there

Chad Ivory King
>best knight in a kingdom of knights
>became a king because everyone loved him
>has seven pets, three of which are giant magical tigers
>fought on the frontlines alongside his knights
>helmet shows a stoic so his enemies know that he means business
>uses magic and a giant sword, being someone of both brain and brawn
>when the Abyss came to ruin him, he ruined her gaping dragon and made her his loyal queen
>jumped into Hell to kick its ass when it was getting too rowdy
>so cool that the fires of Hell didn't affect his ice magic

>>389105586

Man, I know nobody is going to believe me, but I got past those archers on my first try. Part of it was because I was vaguely aware of some annoying arrow part in Anor Londo, so when I got there I was like "This must be what everybody is bitching about, I gotta be careful".

>>389113586
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/rickert-of-vinheim

>>389113730

He's so easily missable. I would not be shocked if 3/4 of players never talked to him. He can be super useful if you get a titanite shard and upgrade your weapons.

>>389113615
No, in fact in some ways it is quite good, but it lacks all substance gameplay-wise and the lore is 100% extra fluff for Dark Souls 1, which was already pretty well expanded upon.

DaS3 is ireemdemable trash and if you unironically defend it you must kill yourself

>>389114018

In what ways?

>>389112824
>>389113860
I'm waiting drawfucks

>>389113878
Oh you mean the sorcerer blacksmith? Yeah I remember Rickert from Berserk pulling out sorcery, too. I remember the sorcerer blacksmith having a history of mercenary shit. Yeah man.

>>389113863
i got to that part and ran straight past on the first try because i am from nintendo. if you run without stopping they don't hit you

>>389114018
>>389114024
I think the worst part about DS3 is the fact that it isn't great, but it's also not trash. It's just empty. DS2 kinda became fun in how bad it was at some times, and the few moments of genuine greatness were just highlighted more when they happened. 3 is just kind soulless the whole way through.

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>>389114129
Not always the case.

>>389113615
DaS3 on it's own is a 8/10 game
DaS3 as a sequel to 1 and 2 is a 7/10 game at best
DaS3 when compared to the game it would have been if they weren't just shitting out a low effort low risk cash grab is 4/10

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Shanalotte is my favorite Souls girl. Who is yours?

>>389114128

Such a bitchy little nerd.

Teenage blacksmith, named Rickert. Sounds familliar? They even look the same. Yeah, they added a little twist, making him a magic blacksmith, but it's clear who the character is a shoutout to.

>>389114096
In what ways what? You didn't address anything

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>>389114241

>>389094201
He was doing a no estus run.

>>389112657
>The alternative is simply... death. For everyone. Forever. Is that worth the moral victory of shattering Gwyn's lies?

I think it's a very good alternative but death is not forever. Since the firekeeper already said that one day fire will emerge from darkness once again. Aldia, Sulyvahn and co. propagated HOPE and did nothing wrong.

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>>389114241
Alasanna but I know her heart will never belong to me but I can accept that.

Best boys on the other hand...

>>389114208
not running without stopping, running into wall making self slower

>>389114176
Perfectly put.
Soul of Cinder was nice going in blind but there's only good ending.
Midir was a cool fight but I just ended up being mad and only get that angry achievement feeling upon killing him every single time.
Gael was a good fight but after killing him you're left with such "thats it" which sucks.
Soulless is really the word here.

>>389114338
What would Sulyvahn and Aldia do if they ever met?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3td3DrL5Mg

Hate on Dark Souls 2 all you want, but this is objectively the best music in the series.

>>389114271
Shoutout, fuck yeah. Not denying that. But when you starting posting crap like this: >>389113494
then the sheep who read it start parroting it.

>>389114476
>tfw the Bearer remembered her name and attached it to her hat
Not everything is dark in this world

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>>389114241

>>389114476
Nah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y

>>389114547
>you will never place the cure crown upon Lucatiel's head so that she can always remember who she is

>>389114476
It's just a waste that the soundtrack is attached to a small area barely with interaction.

>>389114595
The character creator music is better than both

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>>389114208

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What a trash fight.

>>389114241
I wanted to waifu her, but

>Bearer
>Seek
>Seek
>Lest

ruined it for me. She needed more mummy dialogue for me to like her.

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>>389115073
What a Trash fight (^:

>>389114675
>There will never be a fleshed out level taking place in the Age of Ancients, preferably during the lords uprising
I can picture it now
>Gray landscape
>Huge ass archdragons occasionally in the background, like the mountain sized dead one you can see in Archdragon peak
>Nitos poison as a hazard
>Dragon corpses litter the landscape
>The landscape gradually turns more hellish as you get closer to the firestorms
it sounds retarded as i write it down but it would be so cool

>>389115134
>implying she didn't want that Bearer cock halfway into the game

>>389115267
When I said mummy dialogue, I meant all the times where she's comforting and such to you. "I'll always be by your side" and so on. IMO she has a lot to say at the start, but then it's just Bear seek seek lest for the rest of the game. She doesn't update her dialogue with each boss you kill, besides one line about how you found the soul of an old one.

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What was his problem?

>>389097160
>the game with the most barebones and useless multiplayer is the only active one left
feels bad man

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>>389114443
Scholar stuff, what else?

>>389115661
His fight was too good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig0G32Ng2lM

>>389115661
Vendrick was more concerned about dark pussy than seeing his kingdom fall into stagnation

>>389114443
Create an actual god tier plotline

>>389112054
They should have put her in DS3 for fuck's sake. I thought she was that woman holding the vendrick crown in the trailer.

>>389115661
Got bodied by his buddy when he tried a coup then cried to mum.

>>389115779
>Vendrick

That's such a cool name, by the way. King fucking Vendrick. Sounds kingly.

>>389115819
I imagine something like Bitterblack Isle in Dragon's Dogma
>Mysterious woman in green asks you to help her on some island
>it's filled with even more bizarre things and tree monsters
>final boss is the Bearer of the Curse, eons after Dark Souls 2
>second phase starts
>branches and fire and shit begin erupting from the ground
>YOUNG HOLLOW

>>389111218
I do too. Though even though it was blatant pandering, I think Andre was the way to go for only having one blacksmith in DS3, if only because I love the implication that he lived so long that he eventually taught himself how to forge any kind of weapon.

>>389116098
I was somewhat disappointed and amused when we finally see him in DS2 but the DLCs helped remedy it since his voice was fantastic too

>>389115819
That was the black robe firekeeper in the game. That's her crown.

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>>389116172
I thought it was pretty poignant when you just see him walking around a shell of his former self, he doesn't even attack you.

>>389116264
He's was also a fucking badass seeing as how his hollowed form is still one of the strongest enemies in game.

>>389115134

Why does nobody complains about the doll and DaS3 firekeeper? They do the same thing

>>389116264
It's that specific type of sadness that felt really disappointing in that sense of hearing about Vendrick across the game and seeing him as a naked hollow. That fucking music still gives me the creeps

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Dark souls 2 sucked, but it had the best fashion.

>>389116264
>>389116487
>this was the truth that Vendrick and Velstadt tried to hide away from the world
>that even their grand king is not free of the curse

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>>389116357
Gwen > Vendrick

>>389116705
Gwyn*