>ask /v/ why they hate brutal doom >"i-its edgy! y-you

>>389055501
>IT CHANGES IT TOO MUCH REEE
>BUT HDOOM IS SO OMG AWSUM XDD

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This is why

>>389055602
HDoom is shit too.
Both are two mods, who radically change gameplay for the ideas surrounding it, while even interrupting gameplay with animations.
They're Youtube Lets Play/Game journalist clickbait material.

>>389055501
I hate Brutal Doom because we have superior Project Brutality. Brutal Doom is at this point just a distraction from a better mod.

>>389056930
>better mod
Make it plural, because that's more than two decades of how many mods were made this game.
Saying BD is the best Doom mod is just automatically admitting you're new to Doom, if not games in general, like a Doom version of "Link's name is not Zelda haha i never even played a LOZ game".

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>>389055602
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here and say that not once someone suggests H-Doom over the original game. People fap to the girls and nothing else. Meanwhile you hear people say stupid shit about Brutal Doom being "an upgrade" to the original Doom and other such nonsense.

>>389055501
>>389055602
Kys underage

>>389057279
It's kinda weird: BD has such a bland and easy concept, that means "Doom isn't edgy enough", because apparently, a space marine killing imps and demons with a chainsaw isn't brutal already.
BD's concept is so easy, it's a fanfiction that almost everyone thought of it.
You could abort Mark as a fetus and it would still be made, because that's how easy BD is to come up with, so it shouldn't be a surprise that such's a generic sounding idea comes up with poorly executed gameplay features and terrible coding, despite Doom supposedly being easy to mod.

>>389057158
I'm not gonna make it plural because Project Brutality and Brutal Doom aim to do the same thing with Doom, except one does it in a more interesting way. It's not as comparable to other mods.

Also BD > vanilla, there, I said it, no shame.

>>389057591
>It's not as comparable to other mods
What exactly isn't?

>>389057673
Brutal Doom isn't, not in the same way it's comparable to Project Brutality as they both have the same philosophy or more violence, more modern features, more content.

>>389057557
The overall problem I have is that nowadays people sound like they hate Brutal Doom because of its rabid fanbase and admittedly dumb creator. The gameplay and coding issues just sound like dressing when the real hate is for Mark and the obnoxiously loud kids who want Brutal Everything.

I've seen plenty mods that could be accused of the same thing. Hell I love it but Project MSX was abandoned by the time everyone was singing praises of it.

>>389057889
Isn't there someone else on /vr/ trying to keep PMSX alive?

>>389057942
If there is, I wouldn't know. I don't browse /vr/, and considering they came up with H-Doom and hate BD enough to lose their shit every time it's brought up, I wouldn't bother. I don't even care about BD, I'm just sick of the mindless hate that seems to match the mindless love.

I won't deny that good shit comes out of there, but in my opinion, that place is no better than /vg/ in terms of concentrated autism.

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>>389056418

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gonna leave this here...

also, please recommend me some nice weapon pack mods beside rouge like arsenal, and is there a way to disable the weapon cap in that?

>>389058083
I go to /vr/'s Doom threads and it doesn't seem that bad, as it's mostly people talking about other mods and wads, with even people like Term and Kinsie going there.
They even attempt to ignore drama and focus on something else.
Meanwhile, they're doing another collab called "300 minutes of vr".

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>>389058083
Even if you ignore the fans and creator, the coding in itself is still bad, when you have the damaging lights in BD64 and the 0.L glitch.
According with what i heard, Mark's coding skills is why he has a Patreon.
>>389058116
There's a new version of that image.

DOOM was never meant to be overly violent or gory.

It just doesn't feel right

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>>389058417
ahh, thanks, i remember someone telling me i had the "old" version of that image but not really explaining what that meant, thanks!

>>389058116
>nice weapon pack
LegenDOOM is great for really long megawads. Just keep in mind there's a marginal chance of getting a genuinely OP weapon from a boss monster that could make the rest of the run too easy. It's a really low chance though.

>>389058587
Even then, there's still some stuff that could be added, like MetaDoom, Space Hunter and High Noon Drifter.

>>389058116
WHY ISN'T BRUTAL DOOM ON THAT LIST ITS THE BEST DOOM MOD AND THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY DOOM ITS OBJECTIVELY BETTER

>>389058083
I don't remember anyone on /vr/ praising H-Doom, only the occasional about it

>>389058679
*the occasional thread about it on /v/

Brutal Doom is fine in classic mode, which preserves most of the gameplay while giving you the modern controls and edgier aesthetic.
No one needs fucking killmoves and shit in Doom.

And yes, a lot of us blame Brutal Doom for ruining Doom 2016.

>>389058843
>And yes, a lot of us blame Brutal Doom for ruining Doom 2016.
But Doom 2016 is a good game so how was it "ruined"?

>>389058843
So, classic mode is kinda like ketchup Doom?

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>>389058910
>But Doom 2016 is a good game
(You)

>>389058542
>DOOM was never meant to be overly violent or gory.
Bull

shit

There are super gory background decorations of mutilated human corpses. It's also a game about killing demons with rockets and chainsaws and stolen METAL music. If they could have made it 100 times more violent, they would.

>>389058910
it's wholly mediocre

>>389058910
He probably meant the glory kills being based on fatalities, despite being shorter.
The main different is that BD's fatalities are just there to be looked at, while NuDoom's glory kills attempt to last shorter and give health, as an attempt to make it an actual gameplay mechanic, even if it ruins the idea of health resources.

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>>389058843
>And yes, a lot of us blame Brutal Doom for ruining Doom 2016.
Well its true. Doom 2016 is very clearly Brutal Doom 2. What triggers me as an oldfag is how you know that most people who say Doom 2016 is "Just like Doom" they mean Brutal Doom.

>>389058910
>Combat arenas
>Upgrade system
>Spamming killmoves
>"a good game"
If you say so, I mean thats your opinion.

>>389059042
BD fatalities give health as well

>>389055501
more Doom at heart than nuDoom

>>389059096
When did that happen?

>>389059156
I dunno, the first version of BD I even played gave back health on fatalities.

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>>389055501
What's the best DOOM mod you've played?

>>389059217
When did you played it?

>>389058116
And yet no links or tutorials for brainlets on how to play these.

>>389059245
Strange Aeons is neat

>>389059250
I don't remember, I played several versions. One was at least 2 years ago, then again earlier this year.

>>389059245
Demonsteele with Deus Vult

>>389059245
Pirate Doom.

>>389059317
there is literally a tutorial at the top of image man, did you read over it? just drag the wad you wanna play over gzdoom, as if you were placing files into a folder.

>>389059042
D2016's glory kill system goes further than ruining the idea of health resources.
They want you to see glory kills so badly that enemies stagger when ready to be activated and stay that way for a good while.
And while staggered they will slowly regenerate health just in case you would finish them off with a bullet by accident.

It's really patronizing.
At least BD made kill moves wholly optional and didn't redesign the game around it.

>>389059245
I'm trying to choose between MetaDoom and High Noon Drifter.

It ruins the game balance. Beautiful doom is where it's at

>>389059538
BD's difficulty goes on pair with that cat Mario flash game.

>>389059538
>caring about balance in single player games

I thought insanity and over the top bullshit was half the fun in modded single player games.

>>389058542
Nigga Doom was the goriest game of the age.

The 90s didn't know shit but until Quake came along it was the pinnacle of violence in the public's eyes. It's quaint now, but it was the buzz back then.

Its an okay mod, and thats about it, its just a mod.
People who say that its better then vanilla Doom and need to shove it everywhere dont deserve to be listened to.
On the other hand Doom purists are also annoying, so take of that what you will.

>>389059838
I'd prefer when someone is trying to recommend better mods that deserve more attention.

>>389059058
I really hate the Doom fanbase.

I love the shit out of the mods but faggots like this are exactly why I don't peruse /vr/ or play online much anymore.

Let people like the shit you don't like, you fucking prick.

>>389059746
Knowing Doom as a game is seen as an example of good design, it seems some people prefer mods that feel like a video game.

>>389059964
Isn't /vr/ full of modders like Kinsie, Term, Kegan, DrPySpy and others?

>>389059914
True, Brutal Doom is normie-tier, but thats why you have the chart that was posted earlier in this thread

>>389057279
>Brutal Doom is what Doom was meant to be

>>389059964
he probably didn't realize that by posting his opinion he was actively stopping us from liking things, typical asshole.

>>389059995
>it seems some people prefer mods that feel like a video game.
what does that even mean? Every single doom mod feels like a video game, because it is one.

>>389060130
This I hate these people, I used to really like a thing til someone said they disliked the thing and now I can't like a thing.

>>389060121
People treating BD like an official expansion is like declaring that one comic canon to Sonic.

>>389055501
the only time you should use brutaldoom is if you have fully completed a WAD and are using it as an added bonus for replaying
not too bad with scythe and AV

>>389060196
I assume you're being ironic, but some people are genuenly like that. I kinda pitty them. I know people that are incapable of getting over the fact that someone dislikes something they really like and it starts affecting them, it starts making them depressed and they feel like they need to justify their love for something constantly.

>>389059245
russian overkill on 100k revs

>>389059245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY4UGtGzFgk

>>389055501
>i-its edgy! y-you only like it b-because you like edgy gore
I'm convinced the kind of people who say stuff like this are squeamish as fuck when it comes to gore or even talking about disturbing subjects.

>>389060091
Those guys might even be decent, but it means entertaining >>389059058's fuckwitism too. The sort of guy who acts like you're raping Doom if you don't play Chocolate or even just vanilla Doom. He'd have a problem with MetaDoom/D4D just as much as he has a problem with BD because it alters the holy grail of gaming!

I've been playing vanilla DOOM long enough. I like gameplay mods that mix things up. I like MetaDoom, I'd probably like D4D, I enjoyed MSX and even like Complex Doom when it's designed to be total bullshit. I'd like Lithium if it didn't make enemies bulletsponges towards the end, and DoomRL+RPG if it didn't break if you threw a toothpick at and I wasn't deathly afraid of the Hungry. There's nothing wrong with enjoying a spin on how Doom plays, and it only strengthens how good Doom is that it can be altered to the extent that a fucking half decent Sonic game could be made on its engine. I WISH we were getting game engines that accessible and flexible nowadays.

To hell with it all. I can enjoy Terminus' mods without speaking a word to him. If anything I'd rather he not know me anyways. I enjoy my anonymity.

>>389060447
Like, how is that even a real person?
>I like a game about shooting demons and make them bleed, but this mod that makes it more violent triggers me
One thing is pointing at retards, another is making them up for an arguement.

>>389055501
Brutal Doom is a fantastic mod. However it isn't a replacement for traditional Doom. Traditional Doom is still the better game.

>>389059245
Trailblazer + Colorful Hell on any map pack I've thrown on it.

>>389055501
I don't hate brutal doom, it just makes the game worse

>>389060763
Might be better with its own maps, if they're designed around its gameplay.

>>389057591

this is basically the whole problem with BD
its that it actually doesn't go far enough

Project Brutality on the other hand just goes all the way with it and feels more like a true total conversion

>>389060569
>He'd have a problem with MetaDoom/D4D just as much as he has a problem with BD because it alters the holy grail of gaming!
Person you're referring to here, stop being a whining little fag, my problem is people who claim Doom 2016 is just like Doom. It isn't, its Brutal Doom 2, and its sad to see people acting like Brutal Doom is vanilla Doom.

I don't have any issue with BD, or any other mod, you dumb ass.

>>389059245
I always end up coming back to Trailblazer. Yeah you do feel a bit OP, but I just love the weapons. Especially throwing the machete around after picking up a berserk.

>>389060569
why are you so buttblasted over this
no one is trying to stop you from doing something you like. some people just think it's stupid. so they aren't allowed to post their opinions because you get megatriggered over it? fuck kind of logic is that?

>>389060447
>>389060593
not him but it's more about how tryhard it is.
Edgy is a weak, modern criticism that's usually meant to deride a juvenile attempt at something graphic.
It's not completely wrong, for example a game like Hatred might be trying way too hard to offend people, but appears laughable to people used to graphic content.
But just calling something edgy is a bit of a cop-out, one I've been guilty of too.
It's gotten to the point where anything graphic that the person just doesn't like can be called "edgy" in an attempt to lazily criticize, so it's more subjective than ever.
It's not relative anymore, it's just what you don't like.

>>389056418
This is hilarious why can't you just enjoy both you autism lord

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>tfw too intelligent to play anything other than vanilla

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>>389060569
>you will never be this upset about someone else's opinions

>>389061054
>Post meant to show why people hate thing
>"Why can't you enjoy it?"
Did you replied to the wrong post or do you not know how to read?

>>389060894
I can't argue against that, honestly. It'd been much better if there was legit choice to doing the executions or not, instead of everything encouraging the usage of them. In that regard, as someone else said, BD of all things does it better.

That said, I think it could easily still be a jumpoff point to something even closer to the original gameplay while having the modern bells and whistles, even the execution stuff. It needed at least 90% of the game to play more like the Refinery where you legitimately run into most of the fights rather than being locked in an arena most of the time.

New stuff isn't inherently bad. Either way I've officially overstayed my welcome.

>>389058992
>>389059058
Maybe play the game before you shitpost weebs.

>>389057591
Okay I keep seeing these "word > word > word > word" all over /v/

Can someone explain this meme to me because I don't understand it and how do you even read it? Is it equalling from one to another or what?

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>>389061696
It's not a /v/ meme, almost everyone does it.

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>>389061064
really intelligent people don't even play the vanilla, they make maps of their school for vanilla.

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>>389061597
>umm, you just didn't play it

>>389061696
> is a greater than sign
> is a lesser than sign
= is an equal sign (obviously)
so when someone says something like Super Mario 64 > Super Mario Sunshine they're saying that in their opinion SM64 is better than Sunshine

>>389061696
fuck off back to retard reddit

>>389061815
Okay still explain how the meme works for me because google is shit.

>>389061696
it's a "more than" sign, the opposite of "less than" sign. Didn't you learn that in like... 2nd grade? It should be self explanatory. Maybe you come from some weird ass culture that doesn't use or teach those signs, I dunno

>>389061842
You clearly didn't because if you unironically believe those things you listed somehow detract from the game you are probably retarded.

>>389055501
It's shit

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>>389056809

>they are memes because they change things

wow so real

>>389061815
Interesting, I never noticed that the black tower was being constructed between levels.

>people shitting on brutal doom and doom 2016

Literally just apex hipsterism

>>389061976
>/v/
>playing games

>>389061263
It's literally just "I can't handle change" I had no bugs when I played it like this guy claims

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>>389061976
>you clearly didn't play it because you didn't like it meaning you're clearly retarded
TAKE IT BACK

>>389061879
fuck, I meant < is a less than sign

>>389062054
One thing is change, another is "DUDE, RIP AND TEAR/MONSTERGIRL FUCK LMAO".
This goes in the same field as realistic horse vaginas in Skyrim.
>>389062068
>Eww, different opinions, hope they don't justify them

>>389055501
Some of the ire directed at Brutal Doom is as much about the creator's bad behavior over the years as it is his work. Stolen code, stolen assets, stolen ideas, generally bad coding, bad design decisions, being a complete dick and so on. Also there's the problem of the kind of people Brutal Doom brought into the fold. Like the people who started showing up at Grateful Dead concerts after Touch of Grey was a radio hit, it changed things for the worse. Modding went from a rather pleasant affair of longtime fans and fans-turned-creators who were mostly in their 30s to 40s to a crowd of screeching children who insisted on having everything their way, and their way fucking sucked. Part of the problem was that Brutal Doom was their first exposure to the game, so they didn't understand how things were, or why they were, and couldn't grasp that their favorite mod was actually deeply flawed relative to the original work.

>>389061976
>IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE THEN YOU NEVER PLAYED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389062168
too late anon, you get the dunce cap today

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>>389059245

I like arachnocide weapons + PBMalpha

Arachnocide is such a weird mod but it does everything right as far as making each kill feel good.

>>389058910
No it's like 7/10 as opposed to Doom 1 2 and 64 which were flawless

>>389062116
Some people did.
What makes it worse is Graf "I'm a fucking faggot" Zahl making changes to GZDoom, that end up killing a lot of mods, because it makes their code outdated.

A mod with shit code can still be played, but only for a certain amount of time, which is why Samsara is expected to break with the upcoming GZDoom update.

>>389062261
pls no bully

Are Doom fags the most autistic FPS fanbase?

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>>389056418
If you hate it, don't play it you sperg

>>389062141
>>389062257
>tries to list his opinion as fact in the first place by stating these features are inherently bad
>gets buttmad when called out on it

>>389062395
>Why do you hate thing?
>Here's wh-
>WOW, JUST DON'T PLAY IT BRO
Every fucking time you ask a question, you get an answer

>>389062442
first of all I never did that so maybe you shouldn't assume everyone you're replying to has the same opinions
secondly I don't think you know what "buttmad" means

>>389062364
Ever heard of the bug chaser OverWatch player?

>>389062364
next to TF2 active fanbase? Please

>>389059245
sonic robo blast 2

>>389062578
>I never did that so maybe you shouldn't assume everyone you're replying to has the same opinions
I had no evidence to the contrary m8

>>389062442
also you seem to be implying that those features are inherently good so... how are you any better than the other guy that you hate so much?
I've never even played BD, you're just being a tard anon

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>>389062194

I like project brutality since there is something about going back to where you had a fight and seeing dead imps against the wall, spent brass and destroyed lights

Hdoom is exactly what it says it is, its a hentai mod for doom. Why does this offend you?

I happen to like things like persistant corpses and blood, exaggerated gore and weapon pyrotechnics. Shit like hard boiled makes my day and hotline miami hit the right spots for me. I like brutal doom because of that even though I am aware its not for everyone and people have legit reasons to dislike it.

I have a fetish for monster girls, if I could hold hands with the baroness of hell I would

>mod designed to make a classic objectively worse by tacking on tasteless and mediocre staples of "modern" FPS like iron sights and cinematic kills

>modern audience latches onto it and calls it better than normal doom

why am I not surprised

>>389062442
>didn't preface with "in my opinion..."
>THAT MEANS HE IS IMPLYING IT'S A FACT
brainlets, when will they learn?

>>389062770
Well it's not like most of PB or BD's features aren't in other mods, whether they came before or after.
Specially if it's the kind fo shit you can find from Realm667

>>389062812
You can also blame games journalists for it

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>>389062870

I dunno, I have yet to see another mod that handles the monsters like PB does.

>shooting off a cyber baron's head, causing him to flail around and spark until he explodes

>infernal cacodemons explode into watchers when they die

>>389063391
I've seen some mods doing silly stuff with enemy deaths.
Like how in MetaDoom, you can put out the Lost Soul's fire, causing their skulls to stay in the air for a while and fall, like a cartoon or how Space Hunter has a Revenant spinning their skull in the air before it falls.

>>389063518

Space Hunter sounds fun, thanks anon

>>389063661
It's a Kegan mod, so it should be.

Loser contrarions here haven't even played death fortold.

>>389063749
I like D4T, it's better than D4D and doesn't have the fucking pony in it

>>389063797

Yeah and the balance isn't shit.
I played Doom 4 Doom and goddammit the weapons might as well be spitballs.

>>389063964
D4D felt like a test for GZDoom 2.40 features or something

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Thanks for the thread filled with hate. I now learned about Project Brutality thanks to all of you.

I'm still waiting on the new version of Brutal Doom though.

Brutal Doom is for faggots and trannies

HDoom and Vanilla Doom are for straights

>>389058116
Smooth Doom is so good. It makes the one change I liked from brutal doom which is the smoother animations.

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>>389061597
Take your plebian cinematic westrash back to Rebbit.

I'm still not sure what's the main reason for hating brutal doom. Too much memes in this thread but hell thanks for the link.

>>389065668
As someone that is a regular here since Anontalk spam was everywhere, I don't enjoy anime and couldn't care less for it, yet somehow I was capable of discussing shit here.

Fuck anime and it's uncanny valley human designs and annoying little brats that serve as pedophile fan service.

>>389060304
Whatever, I used to like Fallout 3 until I came to /v/. Now I only like New Vegas.

I didn't grow up with Doom, so I didn't like it when I first played it, because it's extremely dated. Then I tried the Brutal Doom mod and it made the game super fun and got me into other old school games. I don't get why people hate Brutal Doom.

>>389066649
Because of what you just said.

>>389066908
Okay. Sorry, Mark.

>>389066908
So why did ppl hate brutal doom?

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>>389066031
Just because you can doesn't mean you should, desu.

>>389067726
why do people still fall for this when a simple search on jisho can prove it wrong?
or are you just baiting, i can't tell

Classic DOOM > Classic Quake

DOOM mods and maps < Quake mods and maps

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>all this GK grief
You might as well start complaining about throws and grapple moves in fighting games since they're usually the same kind of automated animations that pause control functions for about as much time as DOOM 4's executions.

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>>389067726

>/d/ was for doujin

I want a doujin board now

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>>389055501
>entire AAA and otherwise mainstream vidya market is plunging headfirst into microtransactions and other soulless garbage appealing to the most braindead common denominator
>/v/ buys, buys, buys

>somebody makes a fun mod where you get to blow pixelated demons into fountains of gore and it's completely free
>OMG HOW COULD YOU
>SO CASUAL
>LOOK AT HOW GAMING HAS CHANGED