If he was manipulating Snake the whole time then why did he constantly

>Assumed that guy capable of killing THE Big Boss (twice) would break no sweat against thugs
>Killing Sneikku was part of Liquid's plan all along
>The card thing was a last desperate ruse

>>389029857
>uuh, it was actually my plan the whole time!
He was pretending, he actually winged it.

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>BROTHER, REMEMBER HOW I STOLE SAHEL FROM FATHER AND IT WILL NEVER FIT INTO THE SERIES AS A PROPER TIE-IN AND WAS FUCKING RETARDED ALSO MANTIS AND I HAVE KNOWN EACHOTHER FOR YEARS EVEN BEFORE HE JOINED THE FBI

>>389029857
Maybe I'm forgetting something but if he actually did kill him he could just take the key and use it himself.

>>389030351
The card thing wasn't a last desperate ruse

If snake dies during the torture Ocelot gets scolded big time

Beating the thugs was just one of those "I know he won't die against them" thing

The Hind D though? that's a bit more extreme

>>389030597
>The Hind D though? that's a bit more extreme
not really, he went easy on snake
he could have shot the tower to shit with missile right away

>>389029857
The MGS story is a pile of shit, that's why.

Now let those nostalgia faggots and newage twitchgamers who never touched a MGS game and pretend they love the series reply to me.

>>389030525
I'll never understand why MGSV focused on Eli who was just a little shit the entire time. We could have had Grey Fox and loli Naomi.

>>389030728
I don't "love" the series
I like MGS 1-3

>>389029857
Because he subconsciously didn't want Snake to accomplish what he couldn't.

>>389030597
>Beating the thugs was just one of those "I know he won't die against them" thing
Then why would he sacrifice his entire team to Snake? Including Ocelot since he's the first man who tried to kill him.

>>389030728
It really says something that MGS is such a complete and utter mess but remains more interesting and iconic than the vast majority of franchises.

I was just playing Deus Ex Mankind Divided and holy shit that game is straight up boring narrative wise. Makes you wonder what the hell the writer was smoking. Even the weakest Metal Gear story like Phantom Pain remains more interesting than a lot of AAA produced games.

>>389031353
>konami
>not aaa
lol

>>389030559
He had no idea how to use the key and was relying on Snake finding out. He doesn't find out how to use the key until Otacon figures it out right in front of Rex.

>>389030437
He wasn't pretending, his entire plan was built on Snake launching Rex. Hence Decoy pretending to be the DARPA Chief, him freaking out if Ocelot kills you during torture, and him being Master Miller

>>389030597
>>389031347
The only guys Snake canonically kills in MGS1 are bosses and guards in scripted scenes.

>>389031506
Which changes nothing about my question. Why was Liquid purposely sending his teammates to their deaths if he knew Snake could beat them?

Also, we have no idea how high Snake's body count is in MGS 1. He didn't start going as pacifist as possible until he teamed with Otacon.

>>389031025
Then wouldn't his crew be like "uhh boss, you know if we kill Snake it ruins our entire plan"

>>389031427
I never said it wasn't, just that it's better than the lot of AAA games. Also let's not deny how unique of a situation Kojima had, he's the only "idea guy" who gets so much control on a giant budget.

I guess you can argue Rockstar Games has the Houser Brothers, but even then Rockstar doesn't credit them as the sole director of their games.

>>389031593
>Why was Liquid purposely sending his teammates to their deaths if he knew Snake could beat them
to keep up the charade

>we have no idea how high Snake's body count is
not that high because liquid's demands included a cure for the genome soldiers

>>389031818
>to keep up the charade
That makes absolutely no sense. In fact, it has a bigger chance of ruining his plan because he's letting Snake know that he's aware of his exact location constantly and also killing off his team and risking death himself.

>>389031486
Otacon was his prisoner though, he could have gotten it out of him, even if he had to recapture him.
Although what's probably more likely is that he wanted to test Snake, what with him supposed to be the "superior" clone he would want to see if it's true and know what he's capable of.

>>389029857
When it comes to Kojima, his priority for story telling is something like: meta-bullshit>plot twist>exposition>>>>>>any kind of logic or consistency

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>>389029857
>If he was manipulating Snake the whole time
He wasn't. "They" were.

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>>389029857
>twin snakes

bruh

>>389033352
Oh get over it. It exists, it has shitty cutscenes, it's not a bad game.

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>>389033448

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>>389033448
>twin snakes
>it's not a bad game
bruh

>>389031593
>Why was Liquid purposely sending his teammates to their deaths if he knew Snake could beat them?

>"-colonel, the base is empty, arrows toward the console and a paper saying "to desactivate rex, use your card snake
>-seems legit"
it was just "muh musterplan" and keeping the charade
but it was just a twist for the player, it's a video game, not a movie

>Also, we have no idea how high Snake's body count is in MGS 1.
possibly none in mgs1 because the best rank include 0 death, and canon series take only the best rank into account, let's not forget he doesn't kill johnny, despite being he kept him in prison
also he's supposed to be a ghost and racing against time, it's faster to avoid confrontation

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>>389033547
>twin snakes
>is a bad game
lol

>>389029857
If Snake's dead, he can just take the key and use it himself.

You fucking retard.

>>389033648
He doesn't know how to use the key you dipshit. Read the thread.

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>>389033647
>twin snakes
>isn't a bad game

>>389031892
You are forgetting FoxDie. The bosses could have survived the encounters/ran away were it not for the virus.

>>389033793
FoxDie doesn't kill Mantis or Wolf though, Snake does

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>>389033775
>implying

Because if he didn't have guards and all that shit running around the operation would look like a sham to begin with. He knew snake could get past them anyways.

>>389033715
He has access to most of Snake's communications, he definitely knew how to activate Metal Gear. It's not particularly hard to figure it out, either.

He lets Snake have the PAL key at the end because Raven and the others have failed to kill him, and he might as well have him do the hard work.

Not because "HURR WHAT DOES THE BLUE AND RED MEAN, 180IQ, SIX LANGUAGES, I DUN'T GIT IT".

>>389029857
Shit writing.

"Hey Snake come on in, do you mind just activating Rex for me?"
Not sure that's gonna fly

>>389033838
that's because he loaded them with bullets before the heart attack
also wolf ate too much pills
and mantis has a mask
yes it's in the game

>>389033875
>He has access to most of Snake's communications, he definitely knew how to activate Metal Gear. It's not particularly hard to figure it out, either.
No he didn't. He doesn't find out how to do it until Snake himself finds out, which is literally at the final area of the game, after Snake has already killed his generals

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>>389033863
whatever anon. its an okay game, okay? it's not a good game though.

>>389033885
Yes but did you like his glasses, fuckface?

>>389033969
>he definitely knew how to activate Metal Gear
Well technically he did, but he only had one of the two passwords

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>>389033993
Sure is.

>>389033598
>possibly none in mgs1 because the best rank include 0 death, and canon series take only the best rank into account,

Liquid : Well... I'll tell you then. You enjoy all the killing, that's why.

Snake : What!

Liquid : Are you dnying it? Haven't you already killed most of my comrades?

Snake : That was...

Liquid : I watched your face when you did it. It was filled with the joy of
battle.

Snake : You're wrong!

Liquid : There's a killer inside you... You don't have to deny it. We were
created to be that way.

Liquid : Thanks to father's DNA, they were able to identify more than sixty
'soldier genes' responsible for everything from strategic
thinking... to the proverbial 'killer instinct'. Those 'soldier
genes' were transplanted, into the membrane of Next Generation
Special Forces. That's how they became the Genome Soldiers. That's
right... The Genome Soldiers that you've been killing are our
brothers, with the same genes as ours.

>>389033875
>He has access to most of Snake's communications, he definitely knew how to activate Metal Gear. It's not particularly hard to figure it out, either.

Liquid didn't have access to Snake and Otacon's communications. Not particularly hard to figure out? They only know how they key works because Otacon hacked Baker's top secret files.

>>389034353
The fights in the elevators don't count as kills. And if they do, they don't fuck up the ranking. So yeah, Snake canonically has to kill some NGSF troops.

>>389031353
It's the direction and the blend of different tones and styles that japs love making.

>>389030761
Because the game was shit