Do I need to play Baldur's Gate 1 before starting BG2? Also

>>389019751
>Do I need to play Baldur's Gate 1 before starting BG2?
If you want.

>Also what class should I pick for first playthrough?

Whatever looks fun.

Yes, you should, it will teach you all main mechanics and low-level dnd is still worth experiencing. But play in either a modded trilogy version or EE, base BG1 sucks dicks.

As for a class, i recommend a caster of some sorts, melee classes in BG are really not that fun unless you dual them.

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>>389019751
First one is more open world, but the start can be a little bit rough, because low level D&D isn't really that much fun, at least when you play a mage, or monk. I would advise to play a fighter on your first playthrough. And yes, start with Baldur's Gate 1.

>>389019751
the whole story of BG1 can be summed up in it's entirety on half a din-a5 page, just read it up.
Also: You get a story-refresher at the start of BG1

>>389020569
>at least when you play a mage
fill all slots with sleep
steamroll the game

start with BG1 and roll a wild mage

>>389019751
Yes, follow this guide http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-ultimate-baldurs-gate-experience/

>>389019751
Play BG1 and import your character in 2.

>>389020667
ToSC is itself is a reason to play whole BG1

>>389019751
It does directly follow on from BG1 so you'll be a little confused by the characters and plotline for a while if you don't. BG2 also lack any sort of introduction to the controls or gameplay.

You will be joined by a party of up to 5 teammates that can fill in for whatever shortcomings your character has, so it doesn't matter too much what you choose. The main consideration is that it's gameover if you die while on the other hand you can revive teammates so a bulky class that can take a few hits like a fighter, paladin or ranger are not bad choice.

>>389020781
or

or

he could just install EE. also

>reccomending SCSII/Ascension to newbies

>>389019751
BG2 immediately throws you into difficult battles, at least for a newcomer. Start with BG1 if you don't want to gauge your eyes out.

>>389020781
Oh yeah, forgot about that. I would heavily advise OP to at least install the BG1 NPC Banter Pack. It adds so much more atmosphere into the first installment. Otherwise, most of the NPC's you can recruit are just .... there, but won't banter with you, or the party. Thanks to this mod, I actually prefer Baldurs Gate 1 over 2.

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Why is she so perfect bros?

>>389020569
Paladin is probably the easiest class for BG1, and it's incredibly useful for BG2 as well.
Those saving throws are Godly.

>>389022458
bg1 is all about ranged attacks, nothing tears through the first game like an archer

>>389020746
a terrible advice, low level wild mage has a huge chance of royally fucking up his own game by summoning a fucking gate in a middle of baldur's gate

>>389022537
True, but any non shit build can take you through most of the game pretty easily.
The problems start to occur when you get assfucked by Wizards out of the blue, which Paladins can laugh off pretty easily.
That's not even getting into those fucking Mind Flayers if he carries on to 2

>>389019751

Most people recommend the virgin mage/warrior, but you should go with the chad sorcerer.

https://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/SpellsReference/Main.htm

>>389021905
This is my waifu weapon, seriously. Best fun I had was dual classed fighter/mage halberdier, obviously ravager being the end game
>tfw decapitating helpless enemies with your trident during time stop

>>389022654
You're doing the meme wrong, the most OP character is never the virgin

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>>389022654
>single-classing in bg
>not dualling fighter to mage at level 9
>not casting time stop and 3-shotting bosses with improved haste and power attack HLA

Guys, doesn anyone have an up to date modlist for BG saga? Last time I played the EE didn't even exist. How should I go about making EE to be similar to BGT?
Also, I'm mainly interested in having Ascension and SCS, but I really would welcome any possible graphic overhaul mods as well, specially for the character models, if they exist.

>>389022654
>recommending a fucking sorcerer for the first run when he has no idea what to pick
>when you could go with cleric/mage and enjoy being broken as shit without any restrictions for spellcasting

>>389021905
The Sling of Everard is the true patrish's choice.

>>389022963
just download EE, it does what graphical overhauls would do, and install whichever mods you want. the quality ones have been upadeted to work with EE. i would reccomend
>Rogue Rebalancing
>1pp
>Ascension
>SCS
>Tactics
>NPC banterpack
>Check the bodies
>Wheels of prophecy

>>389023094
The true patrician choice is Black blade of disaster

>>389023280
>swords
You could only be a bigger shitter if you had said any katana

>>389022843
I never played the game, only read about it, but I intend to play it soon.
Can you tell me if I should start as a mage and then dual class to warrior, or start as a warrior and then dual class to a mage?

And at what point of the game I should do this? I guess I heard people recomending doing it in the begining of BG II, but I'm not sure.

>>389023181
thanks man. tactics and SCS are not compatible, right?
another thing, EE doesn't do the trilogy thing, right? is there an equivalent of BGT for the EE?

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>>389023280
Right, I forgot about the summoned swords.

>mfw solo Sorcerer summoning 5 Morden's Swords to ravage everything in sight

>>389023418
not that guy, but it's always fighter to mage. either at level 7 or at level 9. when you dual class you lose all the perks f the previous class before you reach the same level in the new class, so choosing higher levels means you get a longer period of being very low level compared to your enemies.

>>389023418
if you plan on dual-classing you will have to do so in bg2. that means you'll have to play through bg1 as a fighter. dual from fighter into mage, not the other way around, mages benefit much more from higher levels because of absurd high tier spells and such. dual at level 7 or if you can wait, 9, you'll get an additional 1/2 attack per round. after you exit irenicus dungeon is good to have a theif with pick-pocket at a decent level and a couple of potions of thievery. you can steal every spell scroll in athkatla and powerlevel your character so that your main class wont be dormant.

>>389023546
If I change from fighter to mage, after I reach the fighter level with as mage, will then I continue to level up as a mage or as fighter?

>>389023738
As a mage.

>>389023457
tactics and scs are compatibile, scs has some components of tactics that are toned down a notch. like improved bodhi on tactics is ludicrous, a little less with scs. the only component that is problematic with EE is improved illyich but...i wouldnt reccomend installing it anyway, you will hate your life. Trilogy worls with EE as well.

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>>389022843
>not practically one-shotting them instead

>>389023789
Thank you. I will do so. Do you have any tips as to what feats take as a fighter that will dual class?
I'm used to Neverwinter Nights, but usually as a some sort of caster, I don't really know how to make a decent melee build, much less one for dual class.

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>>389023738
you stop leveling in the class you dual from. also youre main class will be dormant until your subclass surpasses it eg. if you dual from fighter at 9 you will not get the benefits of fighter class (pips in weapons, attacks per round) until your mage level raches 10.

>>389023974
There are no feats as far as I can remember.
Also, if it's your first playthrough, dual-classing is probably not a good idea. You really need to learn the game mechanics well before trying it out since it can be hard as balls until you regain your fighter levels.

>>389023793
I saw a mention of something called EET. Isn't this supposed to replace BGT for the EE? Do you know if I should give preference for one over the other?

>>389023974
make sure you reach grandmastery in a paricular weapon before you dual class. and do this scroll stealing and learning for exp i mentioned earlier, its a pain in the ass being a level 1 mage in bg2.

>>389024134
EET is BGT adapted for EE as far as im concerned. basically most old mods wouldnt work on EE because it moves baldur.ini and dialog.tlk to your documents folder and away from main direcotry. you can bypass it by hardlinking those files to bg2 direcotry or jsut download fixed versions. basically whichever mods you want better look for EE version to save yourself the hassle.

>>389024270
thank you very much

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>>389019751
Whatever you do make sure you romance Viconia, she's the best waifu.

>>389025090
>a slut that had casual sex with everyone
no
aerie is the best waifu, she only seems annoying because she loves you very much and is insecure

>>389025310
>the virgin courtship
>>389025090
>the Chad liaison

>>389025310
Quayle canonically destroyed Aerie's pussy

>>389025401
>wanting used goods
I will never understand this meme

>>389020683
or do the less retarded thing and just buy a wand of sleep

>>389025472
nice headcanon, she even mentions that it's her first time

>>389025549
or do a less retarded thing and buy a wand of summoning and have sixty (60) gnolls

>>389025560
>she even mentions
Oh boy.

Face it, she's a whore. Embrace Jaheira.

>>389025610
you get a billion of those wands for free, that's pointless

>>389025560
>be a beautiful winged elf
>be abducted by brutal slavers
>they imprison me in 1x1 cage until my wings start to fester from infection
>regularly beat me to break my spirit
>eventually cut off my wings with rusty knives as im nearly dead
they totally didnt rape me tho, nu-uh, bhaalspawn-kun p-please be gentle

>>389025653
>bossy and thinks she's very smart when she's not
>middle aged widow
>you could have young loving virgin pussy
I don't understand.

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now that the dust has settled...
what's the best portrait?

>>389025653
you know jaheira was married right?
gets all on your dick not even a week after he dies
she's a whore too
all the romanaceable women in bg2 are elven whores

>>389020781
That guide is outdated by now. The tweaks and fixpacks in that are not being updated anymore and it doesn't use the newest version of the mods or their fixes.

Reminder that dual classing is inherently inferior and makes the game a slog when compared to multi classing.

>>389025736
If you catch a wild boar, after cutting its tusks to sell him in the fair, do you rape him?
She was treated as a beast, that was her schtick.

>>389025845
>no HLAs
lel, enjoy it

Face it, Viconia is the patrician choice, she is a perfect countermatch for Gorion's Ward - both fighting against their very nature in a world where their kind is not looked kindly upoin. She's fiesty, affectionate woman who is so confident in herself she lets you fuck a drow priestess because she knows you'll go back to her. She's not afraid to voice her opinion and stands a true partner in a relationship unlike a certian elven whore who fucking gives birth as you ascend the mana forge to fight a demigod.

>>389025808
Real question what's second best portrait.

>>389025808
that one, Minsc's

>>389025861
are you honest to god retarded?

>>389025963
>gf gives birth to your baby
>this makes her a whore
wat

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>>389025808
I've always liked this edited Viconia one. It makes her look vicious, like she's brutally crushing some rivvin's head.

>>389025653
Jaheira is my wife! I can't not bring her with me on every run ever.

>>389025987
you're retarded

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>>389026040
>your
HAHA OH WOW

>>389025926
You can get those while multiclassing.

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>>389025808
>best portrait
>best NPC
>best class
>best convineitly placed gauntles of dexterity right next to his spawn that fix his only weakness
>best quest
>best relationship with anomen
>best war stories
>best can use the most ridiculous weapon in the game
literal 11/10 utter perfection

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>>389025808

>>389026098
Only if you mod it. Dual classes are inhenrently more powerful, it's just that they require more effort to build properly.

>>389026093
I never recruited him, so maybe in your story line.

>>389026159
Either his STR or CON was also not very good, right?

>>389026232
you can bet your ass she god BARDED behind ytour back. aerie only romances you until something better comes along because you're the only man she's ever spoke to that wasnt a torturer or a midget in a tophat. whereas viconia chooses you becasue you're the top dog.

>>389026159
Everyone can use the Flail of Ages.

>>389026232
The EXP cap is fucking 8 million. You only need 3 million TOTAL to start getting HLAs. Dual classing is an awful choice since you'll spend way too much time gimped for barely any benefit.

>>389026309
they're fine. his dex is garbage but you find those gloves in zombieland.

>>389026339
FoA is shit now that free action blocks haste.

>>389026454
So, just don't use free action on that character?

>>389026454
What the fuck, I usually defend the EE releases but this is retarded.

>>389026093
You realise that you're the one that NTRs him, right?

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>>389025653
desu I felt Jaheira was a missed opportunity. The portrait she has looks really bitchy and they somehow fucked up "hot elf girl" spectacularly. There was too much baggage in her personality from BG1, and the Khalid thing became extremely weird after a while.

What BG2 needed was a scratch-built character better suited for the relationship, maybe a fighter or a ranger to contrast better with Aerie and the Drow cunt. Like some crazy forest-elf (do they all have to be elves? Oh well) who never talks to people and only gets dragged into the adventure by some shared goal. Then you get to smash her virgin 800 year old elf pussy after helping her kill a million orcs or something.

Oh, actually I could sell that. This elf woman who lives in the woods, and has been killing orcs by the bushel nonstop for decades. She just really hates orcs. Then you guys bump into her and there's an orc tribe you're trying to destroy so you team up, but it quickly becomes apparent that she's not the "orcs hurt people so we need to fight them" type of orc-hunter, but the "orcs are the MOST racially inferior to elves, so we should exterminate them first, then move on to humans" type of orc-hunter. So you have to deal with her prejudice and thirst for murder while working with her, and then maybe if you're not a half-orc you can sort of cozy up to her afterwards.

Unless you're a half-orc, that's not gonna work. You don't want that. But imagine the dialogue.

>>389026714
FoA has free action as a built-in buff IIRC

>>389026714
in EE FoA has free action built in

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Jaheira is love, Jaheira is life.

Can't you just unequip flail, haste, and then re-equip it? It's dumb busy work I admit.

>>389026809
Who the fuck are these losers?

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Let's face it, there is only one waifu worth romancing.

>>389026927
I dunno, I just saw some D&D characters on /tg/. It's probably some late-edition shit because of the tiefling.

At least they're not Dr*gonborn. I don't even save pictures with those fags in them.

>>389026915
No, it will still block haste. You can leave it at +4, it only gets free action with the last head. Honestly, this shit needed to be nerfed. Same with ranger/cleric tho you can just turn that off in the options.

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>>389026946

>>389026927
Middle Drow could not more extremely obviously be Drizzt. Don't know the rest.

>>389027056
Given the sheer quantity of people that have ripped off Drizzt over the years, I wouldn't count on it.
Granted, it's died down for the past couple of years

>>389027025
You mean unnerfed? Ranger/cleric dual class is off by default. I just enabled them a while ago to play one. Spoiler: they appear to be bugged and the HLAs you pick aren't usable.

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>>389026946
Reminder that she's canonically 15 years old.

>>389027025
FoA was only really good because of the 20% chance to Slow with no save. Adding on Free Action for no reason just means I'm going to take more Greater Whirlwind Attacks.

>>389027117
No, that's Drizzt. Guen's right there too.

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>>389027119
Huh? I mean the fact that ranger/cleric gets both the druidic and divine spells. It was nerfed in EE but you can change that in the game files.

>>389027262
It was fixed in EE, you mean. The error was due to an oversight during the original's development when rangers were given the druid spell table and not a unique one.

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>start BG2
>Imoen this, Imoen that
>i ditched that dummy right outside candlekeep every time and couldnt give a shit about her fate
>figure i'll still give it a go and get her quest chain out of the way
>learn i have to grind 10k just to progress in the story to go save miss worthless

>>389026871
>>389026825
>>389027025
>>389027119
>>389027227

If you want my honest opinion, the flail needed nerfing, and adding an upgrade that, while improving the base item, nerfs it to not be overpowered seems like a very smart way to do it. It just means you'll have to build the character differently, if you want to focus of the flail.

>>389027597
The beginning of BG2 is so bad.

>>389027597
nigga it takes 5 minutes, steal some shit and sell it back to shadow thieves.

>>389027597
>not using the gem exploit

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>>389027597
>he thinks getting the 10k would be/was difficult

>>389027598
Why nerf one of the top weapons without touching the others?

>>389026809
>tfw you meet Elinster in ToB and he shits his pants because you're now basically a demigod.

>>389027718
I never liked the help out a rotating cast of fuckers I don't care about with shit I also don't care about before saving my beloved sister plan.

>>389027978
No other weapons really needed nerfing.

>>389027978
So you feel more tempted to try out the other weapons.

>>389028612
Ravager. Crom. Cars.

>>389028023
I don't remember meeting him other than in BG1.

>>389019751
Don't bother with BG1. It's low fantasy trash. Max level is like 7 and weapons and armor are +1-3 boring trash. Go straight to BG2 for cool shit in the end.

>>389028701
Crom Fayer I agree, the STR reset shouldn't have been there, it makes it viable for any cleric. Ravager is super endgame, you're stuck with the Wave for a while. Carsomyr was ridiculous, but it compensated by the fact that it was so niche that only one class could use it.

>>389028701
they're just very good endgame weapons, not something you just absolutely have to fill your slot with. and 2 of them are 2handed.

>>389028786
Shit advice. There's no reason not to start with BG1.

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>you dont get to fuck her
i dont understand

>>389028841
Thief or Fighter/Thief can use Carsomyr pretty well.

>>389029072
>those thighs
>that butt
MUH

>>389029079
True, but only after you are really high level, to get that specific HLA.

>>389029174
but... that face

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>>389029545
is perfect

>>389029631
that is not her face

>>389019751
If you like power gaming, skip it. If you like playing, play it. It's that simple.

>>389028875
But he already explained one reason.

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NO, THIS CANT BE HAPPENING
IM IN CHARGE HERE

>>389030398
The literal who of the BG franchise.

>>389030272
"It's boring" is an opinion, not a reason.

KNOW ME THEN BY MY BEST NAME, MORTAL. YOU FACE DEMOGORGON, PRINCE OF DEMONS.

>>389031268
MEET MY 10 SPIKE TRAPS!

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What's your favourite fight in the saga fellas? For me it'll always be Firkraag, it feels like the epitome of an epic adventure.

>>389027179
even better

>>389031615
I still love the Twisted Rune. Needed to really know the game to figure out threat priorities and use the right abilities to win.

>>389029072
>we got the longer road but no mod about bodhi

life is cruel

>>389031873
she played a role in that mod iirc?

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>no love for best girl
I thought /v/ had taste ?

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>>389031778
>tfw can't have their lair as a stronghold

>>389032169
Guess we're not that into incest.

>>389027262
>those awful custom portraits

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>>389029072
My only regret.

>>389032169
You're a queer fellow

>>389032358
faggot

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My name is Amelyssan the Blackhearted, High Matriarch and greatest Deathstalker of my Lord Murder's Bhaalist temple. 'Twas I who led all the chants in His holy name! 'Twas I who harbored his avatar when the Lord of Murder was cast down to walk amongst us in the Time of Troubles. To his greatest priestess did he come for succor!

>>389032169
I like the romance mod simply thanks to a cute banter it gives to her.

>>389029072
There's at least one mod that allows it

>>389032358
We are all sons of god, it's not really incest, is it?

>>389032169
Her original portrait is her true face, in BG2 it's the same face but somewhat obscured by emotion, paleness, scars and pink hair. She is actually pretty ugly.

>>389032490
Were there ever any good portraits?

>>389033152
Which one?

>>389032169
It just a couple of faggots pretending she is annoying just to be contrarians.

>>389032069
Minimum and only at the end.

>>389032169
>every time I replay the game I spend days trying to get a cute and nice custom portrait for her but none convince me
>still searching

>>389026398
they're fine in 3rd edition
2nd edition anything but an 18 can mean your character is ruined as time goes on

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>>389033729
This one's the only one I found that looks decent yet doesn't look completely out of place with the original portraits.

>>389019751
>scroll through /v/
>see OP image
>instant comfy

what is it about the box cover art of BG2 that makes it so special

>>389025549
>Buying a wand with limited charges is less retarded than using unlimited spells for free
?

>>389034090
Wands get between 50 and 100 charges.

>>389034196
And resting is unlimited

>>389019751
Are there any newish/lesser known mods for BG2 that heavily change/improve the game? I´ve been playing it a shitton in the past and would like to replay it but some fresh content would be nice.

>>389034309
WHY would you waste spell slots for a spell that will only work on bandits and gibberlings instead of using free wands

>>389019751
Give it a shot, ppl told me I wouldn't like BG1 but I ended up loving it, idk why I just did. At least see for yourself if you like it. + You can transfer your character to number 2 if you do complete it.

good thing that autist who claimed sorcerer is superior to mage didnt ruin this thread too

>>389034709
Sorcerers are shit.

>>389019751
I would recommend playing BG1 before BG2 because it teaches you the basics. I played both games for the first time recently.

I actually ended up preferring BG1 in the end because the game gets less fun when you have a billion spells and magic items, it's more fun when you're low level and everything feels more meaningful

>>389034497
What else are you gonna fill it with, magic missile? Sleep works on 99% of encounters in BG1, especially tougher mob fights early game

>>389034782
And most of the best equipment is available in chapter 2. It's not fun identifying a magic two-handed sword halfway through the game only to find it way worse than one of the first magic weapon you find.

>>389034709
>>389034771
Why the sorcerer hate? It's my preferred caster

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>>389034782
Here's everything you need to know. Inquisitor Paladin fucks everything for a first playthrough.

>>389035085
All of that can be ignored with wands of cloudkill.

>>389019751
IIRC you become an op piece of shit if you import a character from 1 to 2.
Need to know where everything is though.

>>389035131
But that's a terribly boring way to play. Inquisitor is great simply because you don't have to deal with most of that shit on auto.

>>389035020
They don't get to multi or dual class, so they're automatically trash.

>>389034970
>magic missile?

Of course. It's literally one of the most important spells in the game, far more than Sleep.

Is every class viable in BG1? I remember getting destroyed by NPC years ago when I tried it.

>>389035323
You are just spamming one spell instead of another.

>>389035428
Yes, even Wizard Slayer.

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>>389033729
i like this one best

>>389035519
>faramir.jpg

>>389035370
Not in BG1. Its only wort while on mages and folk you can't sleep, which are almost entirely one and the same.

>>389035481
good luck with that level 1 monk

>>389035326
>Wizard Slayer > Sorcerer because it can dual
Srsly? And single class mages/sorcerers are still great for party play, which I prefer sorcerer for so I don't have to think about spell memorization.

>>389035836
A level 1 monk has the same combat ability as a level 1 cleric if he wields a weapon.

>>389035085
Yeah, I actually made a Fighter/Mage (took me fucking ages to roll the stats) because I had no idea what I wanted to do, and then I got the paladin dude in BG2 and his ability to dispel *fucking anything* made me seriously reconsider my choice

Going into it, dispelling just didn't sound that important - my inexperience with D&D absolutely fucked me.

>>389035896
Those two along with Shapeshifter all belong in the same tier of uselessness. Using any of them is actively gimping yourself.

>>389035951
Dispel is only worth it with inquisitors.

>>389036001
You can do a pretty fun build with a unnerfed shapeshifter(14) ->fighter build with dagger focus. But all alternatives are easier/arguably better.

>>389035519
Not bad, source?

>>389036001
Dude seriously? How is sorcerer, who gets access to the full arcane spell list, possibly garbage?

>>389035738
I don't doubt Sleep's usefulness against early mobs, but wasting spell slots on it seems wasteful when you can use wands instead. MM comes in wands too, but two quick MMs from different sources is far more useful than two Sleeps.

Resting constantly is also tedious as fuck.

who /neutral/ here?

CHARNAME True Neutral Druid
Jaheira
Cernd
Jan
Haer Dalis

>>389036196
Think we both agree that this argument is fairly moot, but how is resting tedious? Takes half a second every half dozen fights, spamming MM would make you rest even more often.

>>389025090
You mean Imoen

>>389035326
>They don't get to multi or dual class, so they're automatically trash.
the game is piss easy if you somewhat understand the mechanics, there's no possible reason to go full try hard

>>389036289
>Jaheira
>Neutral
BRAVO GAIDER

>>389036095
Not including mods for obvious reasons. Why daggers instead of scimitars?

>>389036153
Because single class characters are naturally weaker compared to their multi/dual class counterparts.

>>389036432
Paws use dagger prof.

>>389029486
Everyone gets that HLA if they can though.
It's not as OP as Kensai/Mage but Kensai/Thief is a lot of fun.

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>tfw loved Branwen in BG 1
>not recruitable in BG 2
>no romance options
>not even mentioned in waifu wars
>barely any fanart

Being a Branwenfag is suffering.

>>389036401
Difficulty mods are. Then again sorcerer is highly viable though. I actually beat Tactics/SCSII on Insane as sorcerer main my last playthrough. One benefit of sorc is that you get the access to spell trigger which only drops randomly as a scroll until ToB.

>>389036432
I don't know why I'm still responding to this bait, but opportunity cost is a thing. The levels of power late game come at the cost of slower spell progression, so its min max vs convenience. Sorcerers will still be more useful than a Kensai/Thief for most of the game, and even when it does become better it's in a cheesy kind of way.

Should I try Legacy of Bhaal difficulty

>>389036589
>Branwen: Hello?

She's so cute.

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>>389032358
Oh, well being a homosexual like yourself is a good excuse I suppose. My apologies.

>power gaming in bg
>soloing is all that matters
I don't understand at all, but it's single player so what ever floats your boat.

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>>389036153
The old argument was the wider variety of spells available at any given time.
Personally i always preferred casting fewer spells more times.

>>389032169
>>389033015
Absolutely correct. Even if you don't want to romance Imoen, it's worth using because of all the banter it adds for her and other NPCs.

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>>389036095
unnerfed shapeshifter is just too much of a beast by itself, it felt like cheating

>>389036735
Preferring mage to sorcerer doesn't make either garbage

>>389034419
No. And beamdog policy of break something in every new patch doesnt help.

>>389036629
>Sorcerers will still be more useful than a Kensai/Thief for most of the game

Nope.

There's nothing to debate here. BG2 is an old game that's had thousands of hours of discussion, thought, and play time put into it. It's a solved game at this point. It is a fact that Sorcerers aren't a good class.

BG1 is much better

>Forced to play as a team
>Everything is so hard that it requires patience and concentration
>No overpowered classes unlike in BG2

>>389036817
Most consider Sorcerer debatably the best class if you know what you're doing, so you can't pull that shit here. Nice bait thiugh

>>389036589
use romance mod for bg2

>>389036589
if only we had a drawthread with free commissions

>>389036417
Druids had to be true neutral in that edition.

>>389036961
Stop lying. The best class is always some form of F/M or F/M/T.

>>389036817
Kensai/Thief aren't either in that case. If you go by discussion the most effective, and thus the only "useful", is a custom party of inquisitor, two kensai/mages and an archer.

>>389036098
just take the image and resize it to the proper resolution mate to fit the portrait

>>389036634
if you like your enemies to be dumb damage sponges go ahead. otherwise instal difficulty mods that improve AI and improve engagements

>>389036735
Although you'd want a mage in the party too, A sorcerer is a great addition. Due to the nature of being a video game, there are only so many spells that you need to cast most of the time, and being able to throw out 5 of them when you need them is pretty damn fun. Since they don't use any stats they can be good for Wish as well since you can easily pump Wisdom.
The game was dumb to not include a sorcerer NPC.

What mods should be installed for a shapeshifter run through of the EE games? Want to be able to use werewolf form 24/7

>>389037159
The tweak packs.

>>389037159
The fixpack or tweakpack. Shapeshifter is actually nerfed from what it was supposed to be in the game due to how insane it originally was going to be.

>>389037038
Kensai/Thief has access to UMD and GWA for retarded backstab damage. The only thing that beats it in DPR is when you throw time stop into the mix.

>>389037225
Referring to http://www.gibberlings3.net/bg2tweaks/ ?

>>389033334
I think Romantic Encounters. You can find it on Gibberlings 3

>>389037276
So Kensai/Mage is better.
Kensai/Thief is fun but nonoptimal.

>>389037312
http://gibberlings3.net/forums/index.php?app=downloads&showcat=90

This one's updated for the EEs.

So has everyone moved over to EE? Nobody plays the original game anymore?

>>389037367
So what's your point here? Sorcerers are still shit.

>>389037395
Thanks

Is there a mod to increase the walking speed somehow? After playing pillars of eternity that shit is infuriating.

>>389037276
most enemies that matter are immune to backstab anyway and you only come online in the lategame with that build, id take sorc over that any day becasue its useful all the way through and nothing is immune to horrid wilting alacrity spam

>>389037441
there's no reason to aside from compatibility issues with some really obscure mods

>>389037464
Nah, Sorcerers are fun and useful.

>>389036750

>-19 AC

Holy shit you are almost literally untouchable in melee

>dual-classing
Always sounded like a chore to me. Why would I want to go back to a low level experience in D&D?

>>389037487
>he doesn't play ToB

Your loss. You know the exp cap is 8 mil and not that paltry 2.95 or whatever it is in SoA, right?

>>389037581
What you find fun doesn't matter. It's a fact that they're bad compared to multi/dual class characters.

And no, being better than other single class characters isn't an accomplishment.

>nobody posted that picture of imoen and aerie romance

>>389037658
No they aren't, they're useful and fun. A Kensai/Thief is worse than a multi thief/mage like Jan. You can use one, but only for fun reasons like a sorcerer.
Sorcerer is also the best way to abuse Wish, since you can cast it 5+ times and easily max your Wisdom.

>>389037615
There are hardcoded 'hits' from enemies that will hit no matter your AC.

>>389037638
>dual at level 9 into a mage
>buy a shitton of scrolls
>dismiss your party
>learn all scrolls, gaining enough exp to gain full dual benefits
and problem is?

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>>389037702
Could this be the best mod?

>>389037658
i do play tob and know for a fact that nearly everything there is immune to backstab. kensai/thief is a good combo because UAI removes its greatest weakness, you wont be backstabbing shit.

>>389037828
Problem is you're cheesing a game for minimal rewards

>>389037441
I moved on from the game years ago because I'm not a child who never played the game, or a manchild with nothing going on in his life ;^)

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Can I play as edgy Paladin in this game?

>>389037871
>i do play tob
>HLA is late game stuff

Pick one you lying sack of shit. And no, backstab immunity isn't as prevalent as you think it is.

>>389038060
Only in EE or with mods. So yes.

>>389038060
A Blackguard? It's a class in the EEs.

>>389038139
Backstab is trash, Spike Traps make it pointless.

>>389037793
You don't even know why Jan is good you moron.

>>389038291
Banter mostly, since if that isn't important you should be running custom PCs if you care about being Optimal.

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>>389038139
you're the one who mentioned tob and backstab immunity is extremly prevalent. i cant even think of a single instance where it would come in handy, engagements where you fight opponents who arent immune you can tear through far easier and faster with aoe spells and GWW fighters. fire giants maybe but after that its dragons and shit.

>>389038397
Being that evasive only makes your ignorance more apparent.

>>389038528
Make excuses if you want anon. It's a fact.

>>389038645
Jan is an optimal choice. This is, once again, a fact established by the years of time put into the game.

>>389037867
>>389037702
>Imoen and aerie try to prank me by replacing all my gear with jelly in the underdark

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>>389036750
Why is the EE UI such garbage? Looks like a mess

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i can stop time 7 times but this nigga would rather backstab demogorgon

>>389038734
No he isn't. He is factually inferior to a gnome thief/illusionist you make yourself if you run a custom party.
This is an undeniable fact that doesn't take years of research, it's self evident immediately. The only reason to use him is for the quest and banter in this case.
This game is basically solved at this point, so just accept and admit you're wrong.

>>389038482
>those stretched portraits

>>389038838
Timestopping Demogorgon is a bad idea.
Spike traps are the way to go with him.

>>389038859
How do you get a PC with permanent +20% pickpocket/lockpicking and a flasher launcher?

>>389038838
Someone hasn't fought Demogorgon yet...

>>389038935
Use any item. We're talking about thieves.

>>389039025
>>389038910
he might be immune, his infernal host isnt

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>>389025736
Game wants you to believe they were all like that Elf-hating guy at the Promenade, and wouldn't stick their dicks in hot winged-elven pussy.

Fun fact: Avariel canonically have hollow bones to allow flight. Would pounding that result in a broken pelvis?

>>389037046
But I wanted to see other portraits from that guy.

>>389039083
Doesn't work anymore. Try again.

>>389039147
What do you mean anymore? You're not actually talking about EE are you?

>>389025808
Preferred his BG1 portrait, desu.

>>389039204
Vanilla BG2 is a buggy piece of shit. Bypassing character restrictions with Use Any Item was a bug that finally got fixed.

>>389039307
You actually are talking about EE!

>>389039384
That's what we've been talking about. Try to keep up instead of building strawmen all the time.

>>389022843
Tutu or Trilogy? Because it's now possible to import the entirety of BG1EE into 2, keep your characters, their stats (including any tomes used) etc. And be able to visit BG 1 areas later.

>>389039459
Strawman doesn't mean what you think it means.
And no, I won't bother talking about EE. I'm not even the first person you were talking with here anyway.
You can go ahead and play a Kensai/thief for a fun, if nonoptimal, build. Fun's a good thing after all.

>>389039593
>I won't bother talking about the definitive version of the game

No wonder your perspective is so skewed: you've only played the broken version of the game.

>>389026927
I would say they're Forgotten Realms' legendary hero characters. I'm not familiar with most of them (3rd/4th edition I guess), but you've got Drizzit, Elminster and Piergeiron the Paladinson in the middle there.

>tfw no Khelben 'Blackstaff' Arunsun

>>389039671
I remember when everyone thought EE was shit

favorite quests?

favorite lines?
mine is
> Thanks. It was a good quest. I found a dagger and Tim here got a scroll of identify. In a couple of days he'll be able to tell me about my dagger.

or
> I bid you a 'Farewell' suitably unfettered by civilization

>>389039727
1.3 was fine but then... 2.0 arrives to shit on everything and broke more mods!

>>389039727
Well, it is. But some people like extra content even if it is bad content.

>>389039593
everybody is talking about ee because its the version everyone is playing by now. come on dude you've argued yourself into a corner here...
>>389039727
yeah, everybody who never actually played the game and heard some vague rumors about sjw infestation so felt the need to parrot those opinions.

>>389039727
Fortunately most people aren't autistic babies and grew to accept them.

>>389039727
EE is shit though.

>>389039739
>Life... is wonderful.

>>389039727
Vocal autists aren't "everyone".

>>389037820
ToB had retarded attack scores, but nat 20s always hit since level 1.

>>389039848
I don't play the EE. Bought BG1 on release, didn't bother afterwards.

>>389033987
it looks like a comfy leatherbound book, or the cover of DnD 3rd ed PHB.

also the artwork is nice and fancy,
just all around class act comfy

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>>389039739
self-righteous palashits btfo

>>389039727
EE is a game that plays worth than the original with worse UI. There's really no reason to use it.
It's like the HD version of Silent Hill 2.

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>retards arguing about casters when objectively the best caster is cleric/mage

>>389039946
Yes, but the game will 'forc-roll' nat 20s if no enemy has hit you for some rounds.

>>389040052
STOP TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN EEE

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>>389040052
not really no

>>389027597
>10k

Did they change that for EE? I thought it was either 15k or 20k in the original (still not hard to get, just do D'Arnise Keep and rich-girl Nalia gives you the whole amount)

>>389040027
>bug fixes
>quick loot
>highlight interactable objects
>zoom
>support for modern resolutions

Yeah man, no reason to play anything but the original! Can't wait to play it at a stunning 320x240!

>>389040074
Do you have evidence of this?

>>389040186
No, it's just that anon being braindead.

So is there any reason not to multiclass in BG?

>>389040150
Extra spells are worthless, just sleep.

>>389040027
What is with this UI meme I keep reading about? 1.3 version UI is literally perfect, the fuck are you people on?

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>>389026049

looks like she is wearing black face.

>>389040027
EE and the Silent Hill 2 HD are the only way to play those games now. They're definitive and the way they were meant to be played.

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>>389028403
The new and improved Imoen Romance mod (where you don't even have to romance her if you don't want) encourages you to go get her out of Spellhold by yourself as quickly as possible.

I'm conflicted about this mod. I would always want to romance my little sister, but I also want to see her lez out with Aerie.

>>389040331
>1.3
Stop being a retard and upgrade you retard.
God, you're as bad as people that insist on using the old "classic" game.

>>389040368
>the way they were meant to be played.

By people that didn't even the make the originals? Yeah, right.

>>389040284
yeah, it takes fucking ages to become decent at either of your classes. my mage/cleric only had access to 1 slot of lvl 9 spells at the end of ToB and i did virtually everything in the game

>>389028728
He's in BG2 as part of Jaheira's romance/Harper questline. If she makes all the right choices, he gives her that sweet Harper brooch

>>389039727
Those fucking companions are trash and of course they added cheevos for the modern numale.
Can't really blame anyone for thinking it is shit when it has these.

>>389040343
dark elves are actually MUCH darker than this in the setting. They made her light skinned because they wanted her to be pretty

>>389040381
Isn't there an option for both?

>>389040439
Not an argument

>>389040343
Sorry, forgot my image. They're usually a little bit more purple, though

>>389040454
The original games are SHIT so that is a good thing.
BG2 is fucking absolute shit and trash. EE and the new NPCs are the only thing that makes it playable.

>>389028786
Remove the XP cap. Anyone not familiar with D&D systems should definitely play the first. Combat in BG2 can get complicated and assumes you already know the basics.

>>389040461
>my mage/cleric only had access to 1 slot of lvl 9 spells at the end of ToB

Stop lying. Anyone that's ever used Aerie knows that isn't true.

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>>389040594
fuck

>>389040582
You're playing an inferior version of the game with less fixes and upgrades. It is literally worse. This is a fact.

>>389027597
>learn i have to grind 10k just to progress in the story to go save miss worthless
>grind

Fuck off you fuck. The 'Raise 10k' is still one of the best ways to gate progress. Makes sense in the world, encourages you to explore the world, and introduces an extra dynamic for the player to keep in mind when playing. I bet you would prefer a bar to fill you raging cunt

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>>389040343
Fun fact: This is a photoshopped Czech pornstar. The original of the picture this was cropped from even shows tits, but I've never seen an edit of the original picture with Viconia skin.

I prefer modding Viconia's skin to be obsidian-black, like other drow.

>>389040614
>BG2 is fucking absolute shit and trash

I know you're trying to pull an "I AM SILLY" but this is true. So many things break in the original at the drop of a hat it's not even funny. The fact that it's easy to permanently lose party members due to bugs is a damn good reason to consider it a bad game.

>>389040619
>Complicated
Near a fight
spacebar
buff our fuckin weapons
Buff everything out the ass
Begin fight
Shit on them
End fight
Loot

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>>389040637

>>389040614
>EE and the new NPCs are the only thing that makes it playable.

I see... You are a modern bioware fan.

>>389040809
Modern bioware is better than ever.

>according to steam, only 6,5% of BG2EE owners has completed chapter 3 and arrived at Spellhold

>>389029072
It's in the novels I think. We don't want to go there.

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>>389040862

>>389040897
Proof that BG2 is shit.
Beamdog did what they good but when you're working with rotten meat, what do you expect.

>>389040803
Post your stat page, not your spell book.

>>389030949
Pretty badass guy, though. Magician with the body of a god. Runs out of magic, doesn't sweat it, goes hand-to-hand with a swarm of Abyssal demons.

>Beat SoA
>Start throne of bhaal
>About 3 hours in finally check my bag of holding
>All my items are gone.

T-thanks game...I didnt want to upgrade all those cool weapons anyway.

>>389040978
Stop meming and falling for memes.

>>389041009
>according to gabe, only 6,5% of Steam users actually used Steam to play video games

>>389041126
Video games are shit.

>>389025808
None of the BG2 portraits because they're all tacky traced garbage

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>>389041034
what do you expect to find here?

>>389041050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf9kleGOupc

>>389040978
Ah, I remember when people pretended that modern bioware was bad.

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>multiple game breaking bugs

Defend this nostalgiafags.

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>>389041231

Say that to my face and see what happens

>>389040775
I remember her having perfect nipples.

>>389041086
i didnt even bother with ToB in my last playthrough cause its so shit

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>>389041260

>Half Elf

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>>389032331
>mfw i stumbled into that place by accident

>>389024019
reminder that a half-elf or elf multiclass would be stronger at the same levels of experience as this character

>>389041319
cuck

>>389037441
I still play the original because I've never uninstalled it.

>>389019751
Kensai / Thief is by far the most fun. Great in melee, can use any item including scrolls, staves, broken paladin weapons. Equip staff of magi to turn invisible and backstab mofos. Can solo all content including the final fight in ascension.

>>389041342
yes, that would be the only race that can pick cleric/mage, correct