Are there any games where the rebels are the bad guys and the

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>Skyrim
>Empire wants to behead you for doing nothing
>good guys
Good one

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They're often the good guy, you're just looking at it wrong.
>>388906496
>implying you did nothing
No, you're under arrest, you clearly did something.

>>388906597
You need to replay Skyrim friend. They didn't have your name nor knew anything about you yet they still sent you to the block just like that horse thief

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FTL:Faster Than Light

>>388906597
>you're under arrest, you clearly did something.

No trial, no jury, no due process whatsoever.

>>388906720
You were borderhopping which is illegal and the actions of one powerhungry captain that didn't want to do things by the book don't represent the entirety of the Empire.

>>388906017
>Are there any games where the rebels are the bad guys and the empire/kingdom/government are the good guys?
half-life 2

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>>388906720
I've played it and I'm fully aware that they didn't know who you were. If you did nothing wrong however, how did you end up on that cart?

>>388906496
>Execute the entire lot to quickly kill Ulfric before the Jewish Elves can save him and keep the war going
vs
>Wasting a ton of time to figure who some random nobody (who likely isn't even Imperial or Nord so why would they care?) is and if he should actually be executed or not
Pick one

>>388906017
Fallout 2

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>>388907006
Objectively correct.
>the police are mean so what we must do is go murder the only man standing between the combine and our anuses

>>388906017
FTL: Faster Than Light

>>388907010
>if you did nothing wrong then how did you end up getting arrested

>>388907452
Well, the Enclave was the government, so that doesn't work at all.

>>388906781
That sounds like a cheesy line you'd hear in an anime. Where the heck would you encounter these guys anyway, I've never gotten this encounter.

>>388907069
Elves hated Ulfric and couldn't give shit about him dying since they only care about keeping the civil war going. I bet that his death would be of more value to them since it'd motivate the Stromcloaks to keep going.

>>388906017
Mass Effect

only edgelords think Cerberus is better than the Alliance

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>>388906496

That's the point. If there wasn't for that, the player would soon see that the empire are the good guys in the story.

The almost beheading part is to pick the retards that are too dense to see the bigger picture, and will always focus in silly details, like "that one official was a cunt and wanted to behead me! All empire is bad because of that, don't matter what the facts say".

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>>388907793
Yes, that's what I typed.

>>388906017
Your pic related would have been a better example than Skyrim.

>>388907989
>I bet that his death would be of more value to them since it'd motivate the Stromcloaks to keep going.
Or it would have all gone to shit because unlike the Empire the Stormcloaks didn't have a near endless pool of leaders to choose from. Ulfric is literally the only real general they have. The rebellion lived so long as he did.

Witcher 3

>>388906496
>Hang out with a literal terrorist, the most wanted man in the country

Empire Bitch overreacted but it was more of a "wrong place in the wrong time" thing.

>>388906017
Wild ARMS 2 has a terrorist group as the villains, and the heroes are a supranational antiterrorism squad. And while a few large shoes end up dropping, it never turns out that the world governments are particularly corrupt.

>>388908141
Weak
>>388908346
Galmar Stone-Fist
>>388908121
>If they didn't do bad things then they would have been good
>>388908518
>want to travel to new area
>Cross path with a bunch of other travelers I don't know
>I have to be responsible for what they were doing too

>>388907932
I think that's that Captains mode mod

>>388908280
Oblivion didn't have rebels though, just a bunch of crazy cultists and daedras.

I've never even played Skyrim, I just used it as an example because everyone in ES threads say how the Thalmor are using the rebels.

>>388906017
Total warhammer. The Empire are dudes mostly trying to survive and are the best hope humanity has against Chaos.

>>388908558
>You see, the war, the true war, has never been one waged by droids, or warships, or soldiers. They are but crude matter, obstacles against which we test ourselves. The true war is waged in the hearts of all living things, against our own natures, light or dark. That is what shapes and binds this galaxy, not these creations of man. You are the battleground. And if you fall, the death of the Republic will be such a quiet thing, a whisper, that shall herald the darkness to come.

>>388908731
>Galmar Stone-Fist
Is so extreme that he would drive all the neutral Jarls into the Empire. He's a fine commander but would be an awful diplomat and political leader.

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>>388908731
>furry manlet with negative speech skill
>able to replace Ulfric
As if.
>"travel to new area" aka border jumping
>"cross path with known terrorists"
>"instead of believing a guy found with known terrorists and letting him walk they do the smart thing and execute them all before ulfric can murder another king with the thuum
I knew nords were dumb, but not THIS dumb.

>>388908808
The """Empire""" actually is a confederation though

>>388908780
The great war devastated BOTH sides, thing is cucks say elves like rebels but the thalmore only like perpetual civil war to make skyrim weak because they cant replace their manpower as fast as men can, if you show up and win the war for the rebels overnight its significantly worse for them than if you win for the empire because now not only are men regaining strength as the civil war is over but they aren't bound by cuck treaties now

Siding with the stormcloacks is objectively the best route if you are a mortal non elf being

>>388909023
>murder
>It's actually a fair fight
Smh imperials

>>388909892
>uses magic in sword duel
>fair fight

>>388910012
>spend years dwveloping a skill
>can't use it

>>388910263
>sucker punch
>skill

>>388910263
>needing to use magic to kill a king who isn't even a full grown adult yet

>>388910459
>>388910490
Being a King comes with responsibility and challenge. If you're not up to either then you shouldn't be king.
t.thalmors

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Real life

OP your first mistake was mentioning the Skyrim Civil War.

What if Skyrim's Civil War was a grey area and the player is free to interpret the conflict as they so see it.

>>388910781
So if someone just shot you in the head while you were jacking off to lolis, would that be a fair fight?

The Brothrrhood was the objectively best choice in Fallout 4.

The game was trash though.

>>388911510
You are free to interpret anything. It doesn't mean you will correctly interpret things. If you were to look at a tree, and interpreted the plant you were eating as a cat, you would have made a wrong interpretation.

>>388911643
>having a gun
>attacked without knowing
>vs
>dedicating decades of life to be a better fighter
>attacked face to face while expecting it
Hmmm

>>388911787
Yes but that's an simple situation that can't be conpared to a socio-political conflict which has many different implications and would benefit different people depending on the outcome.

>>388911979
In any fight wherein one combatant has a vastly superior weapon or advantage, the fight cannot under any circumstances be described as "fair combat". A sword against dragon shout is no more "fair" than a sword against a machine gun.

>>388912124
Most people would view the conflict of Skyrim within the larger scope of events going on in Tamriel. In this sense, the outcome that is most likely to result in the thalmor being defeated is the most desirable outcome for everyone. This is because the ultimate goal of the thalmor involves the destruction of reality, which is generally considered to be a bad thing for most people.

>>388912312
t.Torygg

First Witcher.
inb4
> they equally bad.

>>388908558
Who were supposed to be the rebels?

>>388906017
Fallout 4 had the Railroad who were literally just a bunch of cucks killing themselves to save robots while also fucking up the procedure to give them a new identity and turning them into murderous raiders.

>>388912495
>This is because the ultimate goal of the thalmor involves the destruction of reality, which is generally considered to be a bad thing for most people.

Is this actually true or just lorefag crap? Going by what I've seen in the TES games they had all the time in the world to end reality because the aldmeri were running shit for hundreds of years and men were their slaves before they were smacked down in a rebellion and the empire was formed. An empire specifically favored by the divines. Everything I came across in skyrim suggested nothing other than the aldmeri wanting to rule tamriel again and the thalmor are basically just the SS of the aldmeri.

>>388913139
The aldermi (race) are not the Thalmor. The thalmor are the current governing body of the High Elf homland, the Kajhiit homeland, and the Bosmer homeland. Collectively, it's called the Dominion.

Anyway, the goal of the thalmor is to destroy certain towers throughout tamriel that anchor the realm in reality. The white gold tower in Imperial City was one such tower. It was actually built by the aldermi. There's another tower in the Breton homelands. The Thalmor need to destroy all of the towers to undo reality. This involves taking over the places where the towers are, first. The towers are these big awesome things, so the people living around them are inclined to not the thalmor just destroy them for lols.

>>388913139
Its true, if the Thalmor destroy the reality we know then they will become immortal gods again while everyone else is killed.

>>388912802
Nah, Squirrels should hang. Terrorism is never the answer. It goes double for that knife-eared fuck Iorveth in 2.

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>>388907010
>the cops always arrest the right people and no one has ever been falsely imprisoned or accused

>>388913937
People do not get arressted unless they are suspected of commiting crimes. Standing next to Ulfric is suspisious as fuck. It's like being found standing next to Osama Bin Laden.

>>388913670

There has been three eras of the Aldmeri Dominion, every one had the stated purpose of returning rule of Tamriel to the Aldmeri.

You aren't actually showing anything from the games that supports the idea they want to end the world, you are again just spouting off assertions of "lore". Why the fuck would they bother to conquer places where the towers had already fallen if their purpose was to end the world? Especially when it costs them almost all their strength to do so? That's exactly what they did according to Skyrim. No, they wanted to conquer the Empire because they have a huge bee in their bonnet about it and especially about the Empire's blessing from the divines.

>>388914259
You are equally as guilty of not providing evidence. The only difference in your post is that it is completely based on your own assumptions, instead of lore.

>>388914121
Evil people do regular shit too. What if Osama Bin Laden had been at a bazaar shopping or something then somebody snaps a photo of him buying somethin? Is that merchant now an accomplice because willing sold goods to a known terrorist or is he somebody minding his own damn business?


Shit happens my friend. If you think being suspected of a crime is same thing as being guilty of it you need to remove your tongue from the boots you've been licking.

Valkyria Chronicles

>>388907568
>the only man standing between the combine and our anuses
Gordon Freeman?

>>388914538
Yes, that shopkeeper was willing providing aid to a known terrorist.

>>388914809

Kill yourself.

>>388914926
The guards of Skyrim are incorruptible and never arrest you unless you did something wrong. Can you think of a single quest where a guard in a hold wasn't upstanding? If there is one, then it was one out of hundreds. The odds are overwhelmingly in favour of the notion that you infact did something wrong to get arrested before the events of Skyrim.

>>388914484
>The only difference in your post is that it is completely based on your own assumptions, instead of lore.

No, it's based on what characters and books in the games actually say as well as official companion work like the Pocket Guide to the Empire. What are your sources? Something you read on 4chan?

>>388915087
Are you taking the piss?

>>388906781
>>388907617
Came here to post this but then it's a bit special since the rebels actually succeeded and aren't the underdogs anymore.

>>388914538
If you were illegally hopping the border and got found next to Bin Laden, you're damn right anyone on their right mind would arrest you

>>388909648
Federation. It's based on the >HRE after all

>>388915497
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Fixed.

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>>388915152
My sources are the same as yours, actually. It's starting to look like you don't actually know "the lore". I believe you are simply name-dropping sources to give yourself a sense of false credibility.

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>>388915497
>>388915557

>>388915567

Bullshit. Name one.

>>388915329
That's not my point. My point is that being suspected of a crime is not the same as being guilty of it.

>>388908731
>arrest band of criminals knwon for robbing banks
>grab everyone in the hideout
>DUDE! IM INNOCENT LET ME GO
>okay
>let guy go since he said he was innocent

>>388915628
i guess i'm right then. he still hasn't named one

>>388915628
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Towers

"To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison. To achieve this goal, we must:

1. Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2. Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3. With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once traveled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."

>>388915759

You weren't even with them. You were picked up crossing the border. Ulfric and the Stormcloaks were picked up at Darkwater Crossing which is nowhere near the border.

It seems they just found someone sneaking from Skyrim into Cyrodiil, or the other way around, on their way to ambush Ulfric and they decided to arrest him and execute him because fuck it.

>>388915195
he's correct though

go wave your antifa flag somewhere else

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>>388906017
Faster Than Light

>>388916032
>sneaking in and out of a country
>during a civil war
>when the empires heartland is right next to said country
>get executed because of it
WOW

>>388907989
Except that's not true at all. Not only do >muh dossiers prove the Stormcloak rebellion is an asset to the Aldermi Dominion as it keeps the Empire weak but remove dialogue from the introduction pretty much confirms the Thalmor were going to take Ulfric into custody and let him escape but General Tullius refuses to give him up.

>>388915825
I did name one, Pocket Guide to The Empire. You named zero.

>>388916024
That hasn't appeared in any game. I asked for something from the games, or at least something officially canon, not some non-canon crap that lorefags are going to whinge about Bethesda "retconning" with the next TES game.

>>388906017
WoW.

>>388906017
Star Wars Battlefront 2

Not even joking.

>>388916051
Fuck off dude. Shit has nothing literally to do with politics. I don't know what world you live in, but cops make false arrests all the time.


It doesn't even have to be cops, you could be accused of something at your job and fired for it, but with dumbasses like you saying the "suspect is always guilty" you can't even defend yourself.

>>388916187
That guy who claimed to be right wasn't me, moron. I thought he was you for a second, but decided not to respond to such a dimwitted post, rather than be trolled by it.

As for your incessent need to have something from the games, well already know that the Thalmor are trying to kill Talos, and that blurb was written by one of the writers for the game. It's obviously the Thalmor end game.

>>388916308
Republic or Empire ? :^)

>>388916308
Are there even any Star Wars game where you only play as the Empire and kill rebel scum?

>>388916683
TOR if you're doing it right.

>>388906017
Most Tom Clancy titles come to mind. Specifically Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and usually Splinter Cell.

>>388916423
>well already know that the Thalmor are trying to kill Talos, and that blurb was written by one of the writers for the game. It's obviously the Thalmor end game.

Of course the Aldmeri resent the divinity of the Empire, they are elf supremacists who believe they are the one who should rightfully rule Tamriel and have been pursing that for hundreds of years, ever since the fall of their rule. But their in the actual game response is not to try to end the world, it's to deny it and outlaw it's belief.

Bethesda may give a lot of latitude to their writers to come up with whatever they want for the "expanded" universe, the even let one of them write about his self insert face fucking Azura and then blowing her up, but that doesn't mean it's all canon and the games do actually contradict some of this "lore" sometimes so as far as I'm concerned it's not canon until it's appears in a game or some other official Bethesda material, like a book. The lorefags are even resorting to TESO these days for support. When that game first came out they wouldn't shut up about all the "lore rape" it did and suddenly it's now their favorite source and they completely ignore it's officially been deemed non-canon.

>>388907813
>was
Like a century ago, it's like the samurai coming back to japan claiming everything are theirs

>>388917031
200 years minimum, depending on the Fallout game in question.

>>388906017

Tactics Ogre

>>388916901
I loved the Jack Ryan esc CIA feel that the NSA had in the original Splinter Cell series. Blacklist and Conviction were infected with the modern "le government is corrupt and wrong" mentality. Splinter Cell 1 in particular showcased the CIA as an organisation staffed by ordinary americans that had a vested interest in the security of the USA.

>>388917031
I'm pretty sure a lot of old samurai families still hold government offices

>>388906017
FTL: Faster Than Light

>>388916953
Lore is what lore is, I suppose. Even if the fans don't like it. Ending Talos by preventing his worship is just one part of the thalmor's plan. That much is sure.

>>388917284
we sanada and tokugawa now

>>388917031
They never actually left. They stayed on an oil rig for the whole time, monitoring all the vaults and the experimental data coming to them. They could still control these vaults, send them messages, ect. That's how they get the vaults to open, they literally send them the all clear signal with the Government™ signature.

>>388917195

Chaos Theory started the corruption stuff. None of the games ever outright condemn government, they condemn only the corrupt individuals.

Also, you are ignoring the fact that Third Echelon is not exactly a benevolent government institution. It's the morally and legally questionable assassination arm of the CIA.

>>388917505
I love how in EndWar they get branded a terrorist organization and yet they still help America go full retard due to them bringing faulty intel. I guess in that alternate universe Sam fucked up Conviction.

>>388917505
>It's the morally and legally questionable assassination arm of the CIA.
ah yes, as opposed to morally and legally unquestionable assassination arms.

>>388917505
Oh come on. In Chaos Theory, Lambert, Redding and Grim were all stand up people. Shetland was a traitor/patriot (something that was brilliantly alluded too in PT), yet he wasn't in the government. The government personal we see (secretary of defense, President, Mayor of NY) were all cool dudes.

>>388917685
Are you implying that the government employing death squads is wrong?

>>388918032
If they only employ it on soldiers and not civilians too, then yes.

>>388918032
Only if the death squads are targeting people I like. Third Echelon doesn't condone the use of force against civilians. You fail your mission or get a 0% rating for harming innocent people. The humans in charge of third Echelon came across as genuinely good people.

>>388916172
Stromcloaks victory is the last thing these mer want.
>cut content
Not canon then.

>>388906913
m8, all fantasy games are based around medieval Europe, where the trial for witchcraft was
>if you don't drown then you are a witch, if you do drown then I guess you are innocent, but you are in heaven now, so whatever

and the average soldier could also get away with a lot more abuse of power because the only "proof" against them would be word-of-mouth (no photo or video evidence available to dispute), so they would rather just behead the guy that MIGHT be a stormclock, rather than dragging him around with them until they can take him to a hold for due process
which would also be largely pointless, as it's all word-of-mouth arguing anyway
>are you a stormcloak?
>no
>well we found you near stormcloaks, can you prove you aren't one of them?
>no?
>ok cool, behead him