You know ive always wondered Why do games with denuvo from years

>>388800171
It sounds sorta dumb to remove if you've paid for it. It also looks like conceding defeat to piracy I guess.

>>388800171
The preservation of games through archival and emulation on PCs is a threat to future profits. Companies will always air on the side of standing in the way of people doing that.

>>388800260
To be fair it has actually been removed in some games so figure that removal at one point makes the most sense

>>388800352
You know as much as youre joking i wouldnt be surprised if this was actually suits mindset

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>>388800171

Patches & DLCs
Cracked Version of RE7 Is still unplayable on Older processors
Cracked Version of Dishonored 2 still not got the performance patch
Cracked Version of Watch Dogs 2 still not got the performance patch

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>>388800171
This is why, OP.

>>388800171
Greed mostly. Why allocate resources for patching old games?

I wish they start doing it though. Something like "after 5 years from release every game need to be stripped of Denuvo". That would put an end to all preservation discussions.

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>>388800171

Im gonna put this on Every Denuvo thread
Denuvo did not do anything wrong

Always Online DRM does.

>inb4 Denuvo is AoN DRM
Dumbass with no proof.

>>388801316
>Greed
Ironic.

>>388801720
>Denuvo did not do anything wrong

Its been confirmed to leave parts of the drm on your pc even after deleting a game with it, rather shady

>>388802383

And ?
we can still play it anytime & anywhere we want. Offline or Online.

>inb4 limit 5 machines / 24 hours.
Theres no single person who wants to play the game with changing their hardware in 24 hours.

>>388802680
why does a drm need to leave parts in your pc if you dont have the game anymore? or do you not care that your pc is potentially being compromised outside of just video game usage?

>>388800171
because most games are literally fucking abandoned by their developer less than a year after release, they don't get patches, they don't get any new features, they just die. coincidentally its also the reason why I don't buy denuvo games, because they prevent modifying the core game files (so you'll never see fan made patches and the like)

>>388802849

Dont care
Im not as paranoid as you
I uninstalled a denuvo game, watching a loli jailbait porn & still not get arrested.
Also i already check my cpu usage, gpu usage, etc. All fine.

>>388800352

this post it like eat a bread. =tasete ag dobelsef ear

>>388800171
because denuvo mines cryptocurrency for the devs

>>388803042
Are you ok anon?

>Go to store
>See nice pair of shoes
>go to cash register to pay for the nice pair of shoes
>cashier asks for email
>Finish paying
>Ask where my shoes are
>"Sir, you just purchased a digital "copy" of shoes, you'll get a link to download a picture of the shoes in the email you provided, enjoy"

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>>388802680
>>388803037
>literally defending Securom

off yourself

>>388801720
It's funny how half of these are totally valid justifications for piracy or outright false. Piracy is unequivocally not theft. It is illegal distribution of a copyrighted work, not theft. If you go to a library and copy a book word-for-word into a notebook and put the book back, did you steal the book? No, you illegally copied it. You committed copyright infringement, not theft. Same with emulation. Emulation is making one hardware configuration act like a separate one. It's the copyrighted ROMs and ISOs that is the illegal part.

I can say with 100% certainty that I would not have bought all three of Yahtzee Croshaws books if I did not pirate the Mogword audiobook. I thought the idea of a sweary internet video game review writing a genuinely good book was absurd. I downloaded that file to laugh at it, but ended up genuinely enjoying the story.

Piracy should absolutely not be your primary method of obtaining media, but it's important for risk-free discover-ability, circumventing censorship, testing compatibility, archiving, and ensuring availability if and when official sources cease.

In short: fuck yourself. It's a necessary evil.

>>388801720
has anyone ever made an ebin bingo card that doesn't make them sound incredibly butthurt?

I don't get it either OP. Bethesda removed Denuvo for DOOM, but they left it in Dishonored 2 and Prey even though those games are already cracked too.

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>>388801720
You were already proven wrong in the last thread dumbass.

>>388803238

Blah Blah Blah Blah
Buthurt Piratefag.
Kek.

>>388803383
if they could jsut like

remove it from godeater and mgsv id be happy.

it sucks there isnt a way to just outright remove it from a consumer copy

>>388803469
>get BTFO
>b-butthurt kek

Thanks for conceding.

>>388803460

Its a bug.
Already fixed couple of hours ago, retard.

>>388803538
>it's a bug
No other Denuvo game has this. This is a message that was willingly implemented by the developers.

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>>388803526

>He thinks im BTFO
kek. im too lazy to read your useless wall of text.

>>388803538
>It's a bug!
That explains why there's a custom message for it that doesn't show up in any other non-Denuvo game. And they still haven't "fixed" it you piece of shit.

>>388800171
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'd like to know for sure if I'm wrong, but I remember hearing that the reason for this was because the people have to prove that they are protecting their games in order to receive funding in the future. Even if it gets cracked later down the line, publishers or investors will only fund a project if they know the product being invested is protected in some way. Of course, I'm not saying this is the only reason since every game has a different case of what happens to it.

>>388803610
>LALALALA CAN'T HEAR U
just get out of here you stupid faggot

>>388803604

>>388803538
>>388803697

Keep complaining, retards
https://www.face--book.com/SEGA/posts/10155636608246796

>>388803760

Simplfied version of your useless posts >>388801720

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>>388801720
>>388803469
>>388803610
So... this is the power of pro-denuvo argumentation... whoa

>>388803765
>repeatedly, constantly has their shitty arguments destroyed
>keeps linking to your useless post
It really doesn't take much intelligence to show that you're retarded.

>>388800171
it's a question of wether your company has enough money to keep Denuvo running on old games or not

also about wether their analysts consider it seriously impacting their sales

take a look at the whole Hitman/IO Interactive/Square Enix development

>>388803610
>I'm n-not BTFO!
>I'm j-just too lazy to read your useless t-text that I got BTFO from!

When you know you've run out of arguments. Thanks for conceeding

>>388801720
>No "I would if there was a DRM free physical copy"
I would actually buy games again if they were sold like that.

>go for always online DRM anti-piracy service
>doesnt actually do anything other than kill word of mouth and hurt consumers who will be hurt by it, or wont purchase it all together based on the fact that it has drm
>drm company goes defunct
>game requires an always online checksum
>drm servers online
>cant play game

thanks securom you sure worked as intended

>>388803765
Nice damage control, imbecile.
The "bug" is a custom message implemented intentionally and the game STILL won't let you play offline on PC
Also
>linking to a facebook post

Basically confirms you're a retarded waste of flesh.

>>388803832
You just quoted a useless post though

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>>388803973
>>388804028
>>388804121

>This anon mistaken me for other anon on previous thread
>This anons thinks im argumenting with piratefags.

Kek, no matter how much you are butthurting, you still cant play the game.
gtg now, im gonna play sonic mania. It was worth the money.

Keep butthurt, piratefags ;-)

>>388803469
You got fucking destroyed son.

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>>388804323
Pretending to be retarded is worse than actually being retarded because you should be better than that, but your life is at a point where pretending you are retarded is the most you'll ever amount to.

>>388800893
Not that anon, but that's the truth. We already have enough games to last whole lifetime, and releasing AAA title already exceeds 100 million dollars. If we can play games released 10 years ago for 5$, we won't be interested in buying fresh new game for 60$. The ideal for developers is to kill game couple years after release, so nobody can play it, just to resell it again as a HD remaster. I bet that all suits are already pissed that people can buy games for discounted price, or that older titles have permanent price drops.

>>388803460
Hey dumbass, that was a bug for Sonic Mania.

>>388804323

Why is she kissing his navel?

>>388804484
No it isn't you stupid cunt. Show me one (1) other game with that message.

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>>388804323
You're pathetic bro

>>388804484
>was
It still shows up if you try to play it offline.

>>388803238
>Piracy should absolutely not be your primary method of obtaining media
Yes it is when some party involved deserves to be pirated or if the media is not sold in a proper format.

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@388804323
You don't deserve my (you) dumb frogposter

>>388800968
>Cracked Version of Dishonored 2 still not got the performance patch
>Cracked Version of Watch Dogs 2 still not got the performance patch
I can't speak to RE7 but I got both of these from torrents and both run beautifully on my 3 year old machine. You're either wrong (my bet, since Steampunks don't "crack" the games they generate a fake but valid key to fool Denuvo) or the performance issues for those two games were totally overblown. It's a shame they didn't patch good gameplay into Watch Dogs 2 tho.

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>>388804632
The only acceptable frogposting.

>>388800352
It is true though, at least partially. Why should I bother buying the new SNES Classic when I can easily emulate all of those games? Obviously Starfox 2 is kind of the exception but you get the idea. Free emulation causes other products to lose value. On the other hand, free emulation also drives interest and can definitely turn pirates into customers but you'll have a hard time convincing suits of that.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not defending suits. I think it's really fucking stupid that video games have a unique problem in this regard. Other mediums don't have the same limitations as games. The transition from VHS to DVD was a little rough but it's been smooth sailing since then and BluRay players are backwards compatible with DVDs too. Music CDs are mostly obsolete but transferring the songs from physical to digital is a very easy process. With games, however, they're mostly stuck on their proprietary console. The PS3 and Xbox One are really nice with their backwards compatibility, spanning multiple generations, but those are the rare exceptions. There's little reason why my purchased content on PS3 doesn't carry over to the PS4 in some way. I get that it's a whole new architecture to work with but, again, games get obsolete way too fast. If I wanted to watch Jacob's Ladder again then my DVD will work just fine or I can easily track down a copy and buy it. If I want to play Mischief Makers, I have to track down a copy AND an N64, not to mention that many modern TVs are dropping composite signals so I'll either need to make sure that my TV can run an N64 or use an expensive upscaler. This is a lot of work and much pricier compared to buying a movie, and have fun trying to emulate a fucking N64 game. If Treasure ever re-releases Mischief Makers, I'm sure it'll make them fucking gold.

Basically, suits are taking advantage of the limitations in gaming and it makes sense why they don't want games preservation to be a thing.

>>388804557
not him but there's a sega post on the sonic mania page that literally states it's a bug

>>388804969
I saw the online message when Nier Automata came out. It wasn't custom made for Sonic

>>388805016
Prove it.

>>388804852
I don't know why you'd play Watch Dogs 2 at all after the first one. Ubisoft just a hit or miss company. A few hits and a lot of fucking misses, holy shit. They must be the most incompetent developer around at the moment.

>>388803238
It's funny how plenty of older games are only playable with cracks, even if you own the original disk. Thank you DRM.

>>388805182
>I don't know why you'd play Watch Dogs 2 at all after the first one.
I got it for free, I had nothing but time to lose on it. I don't regret the 30 minutes I spent playing it, but I cbf playing a game that bland. The whole hacking thing is a trash mechanic unless they hire some better environment designers to make cool setups for it.

itt: thievs and poorfags who steal what they cant afford

>hahahaahahhhHhaahHaAHhaAHAHhaHAAHAhaHHAHAaHAHahAAHAHAhaAHahhaHHhhAHHaAHAhaHAhAHAhaHahahahHahhHAhaHahaH

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>>388801720
>>388803238

RIGGITY REKT

>>388804323
>it was worth the money
>feels like a glorified romhack
lol gtg, i have some genesis emulation to attend to.

>>388804852

Processors With SSE4 (Phenom 2, Core 2 Quad, etc)

>>388805485
>I don't regret the 30 minutes I spent playing it
You're a stronger man than me, anon.

>>388805539
Piratefags don't give a fuck. Piratefags will get their game sooner or later all the same. The only people getting fucked over by DRM are paying customers

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>>388800968
>Dishonored 2
>Watch Dogs 2
Who cares about that garbage games

>>388805712
remember that if future anons wont be able play those games, they wont be able to shitpost on /v/ about how garbage they were.

>>388805787
Do you really think not actually having played the game is going to stop them from shitposting about it?

Half of the shitposts on /v/ already is by people who haven't even touched what they're shitting on

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>>388804454
>If we can play games released 10 years ago for 5$, we won't be interested in buying fresh new game for 60$.

>>388801793
I don't think you understand what Greed or Irony are.

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I hope you brick your PC cunt, fuck piratefags.

You'll never enjoy a game as much as soneone paying 40$, opening the case and sliding the cart in.

>>388805696
>Piratefags will get their game sooner or later all the same
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHH NO THEY WONT YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT

poorfag thieves have /denuvogeneral/s 24/7 to talk about how they cant steal from nad companies


>HAHAhahHAhahHAhahaHAHhAHAhahAA
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Ahah
HA
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AhhaHAAHAHahHa

>>388806050
The last game that came out with Denuvo was cracked in less than a week.

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>>388803238
Fucking thank you. Someone finally fucking said it.

>>388800968
Pretty much all of these are wrong
I played pirated dishonored 2 with the then April patch from this year myself no problems
Game is still shit though, wasted bandwidth

>>388805712
>t-they're shit anyway!
Sour grapes?

>>388806050
Is denuvo paying their shills in adderall? Calm the fuck down sperg.

>>388806319
Why would somone have sour grapes over game you can just pirate?

>>388806282

Specs ?
Tried it on Ryzen 1600x, 270x, got 20fps on mission 2

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So what does Denuvo actually do that's so bad? Like, I hate any DRM and dislike it existing, but people talk about it like it's exceptionally odious. I remember it being ridiculous to crack at first, but I wonder what's so bad about it.

I still refuse to get Origin after the shit EA pulled with it scanning computers and whatever else, and I'm holding to that even though I want some of the games. Why should I feel the same for Denuvo games? Is it that bad, or is it just the new standard one we all hate?

>>388806356
They won't run in your shitty laptop, pirate cuck.

>>388806440

The usual Pirate Butthurt.
They will shut up again after the game is cracked (Sonic Mania, LiS Before Storm)

>>388806001
I'm a buyfag and know that piracy is a necessary evil, because it is a tool that, in the past even, has helped the consumer. Stop being such a brainlet.

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>>388801720

>>388801720
>some butthurt asshat actually took the time to make a piratefag bingo card
L O L
O
L

>>388806440
>So what does Denuvo actually do that's so bad?
Nothing. It's just piratefags mad they can't play the game making shit up.

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>>388806319
nah, just shit, Dishonored could be kind of ok and you can get it for a fair price on sales, but watch memes 2 is nothing more than normie tier

>>388806580
>Nothing. It's just piratefags mad they can't play the game making shit up.
The irony of this post is amazing.

>>388806431
Phenom 2 955 at 3,8ghz and a 960
30fps steady on medium settings iirc, might have lowered some meme setting

>>388806440
It's been known to lower the performance of certain games. As well as the fact that their has been software that won't play offline, even if it's a single player only game. I know the guy who cracked RiME was telling everyone to try and buy it anyway they could, but that the codding from denuvo ruined overall performance from all the internal triggers constantly checking for verification.

>>388806479
>thinks I play on a laptop
>being a mad cuck because your games can be pirated
lol

>>388806440
If you never play old games, Denuvo shouldn't be bother you. But it's a real concern for game preservation, because there are many games, which you can't legally buy.

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The best part about pirating games is watching corporate dicksuckers cry about it on /v/. I enjoy it more than actually playing the games.

>>388806913
You should care about DRM that makes it so you don't own your games and can't play them offline even when they have no online gameplay, regardless of your feelings on preservation.

>>388806876
That's interesting and concerning.

>>388806913
Wait, is it only online? How does Denuvo affect that? People generally seem to crack it fine after a while, they should be preserved, unless the performance thing wrecks them that bad.

>>388800171
I believe they have to pay a subscription or something for denuvo and once it's cracked they can remove denuvo to stop paying said subscription. So either they got a single payment deal with denuvo or they can have denuvo on all of their games for a single subscription price

Or maybe they are too lazy to remove denuvo, nobody fucking knows

>>388807028
Denuvo uses online activation, a few games can't be played offline at all.

>>388806001
>You'll never enjoy a game as much as soneone paying 40$, opening the case and sliding the cart in.
I'll enjoy 500x as much game because I'm not stuck with physical media you drone.

>>388807028
To be fair dude. If you're really interested in the subject, do some of your own light research. I'm the one talking about it's issues. But even I'm not 100% sure. I'm generally opposed to all forms of intrusive DRM, which is why I never buy Ubisoft/EA games, but all you're really going to get from this thread is shitposting and shills trying to make a dime.

>>388807072
The latter is way more likely, as publishers have already removed Denuvo in some older games while continuing to use it in newer titles.

Somebody show that graph of D44M sales with the massive jump in purchases the week it was cracked, please.

>>388807130
There's one gaping hole in your rhetoric here buddy: it's not just about refusing to buy physical media, it's about obtaining a product for free. Want product? Pay up. You're free to pirate but you should at least admit to yourself that nothing you do counts towards the games you like and thus, you shouldn't be allowed an opinion on the state of the industry since you don't contribute to it. You're not a real consumer or investor and you don't matter.

>>388807087
So it isn't blanket, but some games are real fucked, but some can just do a one time activation? Well, that's better than nothing, but that's fucked still.

>>388807130
Digital media is objectively worse.

>>388807253
Why should he admit to anything? He doesn't have to adhere to your moral standards.

>>388807009
Do we really own digital games right now though? Every store could revoke your licence and game is gone for good. That rarely happens, but still. Also, that's why I feel GOG model is superior and game preservation friendly.

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>>388807489
>Do we really own digital games right now though? Every store could revoke your licence and game is gone for good.

Only if it has uncrackable DRM.

>>388807464
Because, as a hobbyist, if you put no money in your hobby, you're scoffed at, this literally happens in any circle of hobbyists because people like to show off how much shit they have, so poorfaggots who claim they're HUGE fans of X and Y while they have nothing to show for it, such as a "Huge AC/DC fans", but with "Oh, but I own none of the CDs" "I'm a PRESERVATIONIST!"
You look like a fucking idiot, is what I'm saying and no actual fans takes your shit seriously.

>>388800171
>there are people who bought god eater when it was censored, dub only and had denuvo

>>388807028
>People generally seem to crack it fine after a while
Yes, but imagine if we ever get an uncrackable solution. Game pulled from digital stores automatically becomes a lost game.

Also, always online is a whole different and strange thing. For example does creating vanilla wow servers is morally wrong, if Blizzard refuses to setup their own?

>>388803301
no, i think people with good arguments would have a long list of better ways to get their point across than a bingo card, generally.

>>388807723
A fan's input is meaningless regardless if they're a paying consumer or not. Companies don't listen to individuals, so if you don't conform to a accepted view point, you're just yelling into a void. So you're just as meaningless as a pirate in your hobby unless you posses no independent thought and just agree blindly with the consensus.

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>>388803469

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>>388807920
>Don't buy anything
>Complain the industry doesn't pander to manchildren who don't understand basic supply and demand
>Proceed to pretend as though your opinion matters even though when you do enjoy something you vote you don't like it with your wallet anyway.
It must be a tough life being so damn stupid.
Don't get me wrong, I don't care if you pirate, but don't pirate and turn around and pretend your opinions are the gold standard of the industry, as a matter of fact if you refuse to pay for it then your opinion should be viciously rejected.

>>388806001
>you'll never enjoy a game as much as someone playing it at 400x240 with frequent framerate drops and the graphical prowess of a dreamcast game

>>388806538
The best part is when that faggot spent all that time crafting his magnum opus only to be completely refuted in minutes.

>>388806134
agents of mayhem took 11 days

>>388808006
>but don't pirate and turn around and pretend your opinions are the gold standard of the industry
I don't think that. I'm just contending that you as a paying customer have the same amount of sway as I do as a pirate. If your opinion falls in line with the consensus then you have the illusion of control, if it doesn't then you're meaningless.

>>388804932
I think this is more the result of tech advancing than evil corporations wanting more money.

Its sad that we can't play ps2 games natively on the hardware of our choice, but id rather have my modern graphics and online capabilities.

Video games are not comparable to any other medium in terms of complexity.

>>388807834
>For example does creating vanilla wow servers is morally wrong, if Blizzard refuses to setup their own?
Fuck, I'm really tired. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

>>388803132
>food analogy

Never change, /v/

>>388808247
Well, to be fair, that's a whole different issue. I'm with you 100% but I was just wondering.

But that's different. That's literally "pirates" providing a market item that nobody else would, it's like a free capitalism.

Speaking of which, if Blizzard wants to make a whole lot of money, they should probably finally just make a fucking Vanilla server and watch it have more subs than the live game.

>>388808528
>Speaking of which, if Blizzard wants to make a whole lot of money, they should probably finally just make a fucking Vanilla server and watch it have more subs than the live game.
For one month, then people would complain that it's shit and dated and not as good as they remember because they're no longer 14 and able to enjoy things the same way. It won't happen as long as Blizzard keeps having other successful games.

>>388806819
Great. Did you try RE7? I have an X4 945 so I'm missing those new instruction set extensions, too.

>>388808684
Nah, dude, the only reason the vanilla servers keep dying is legal shit and internal drama. They have a community, might be smaller than some think, but people would be on it. I guarantee people would be more eager to try the cost of entry for that than live, tell you that much.

>>388808867
Yeah, like I said it would be great for a month and then people would have the nostalgia goggles torn off and crushed into dust. Trust me, Blizzard knows there's a market for it and they're a business - if it was profitable they would be doing it.

>>388808006
>if you refuse to pay for it then your opinion should be viciously rejected.
WHY IS EVERYONE REFUSING TO BUY THIS SHIT ON A PLATE I JUST SHAT OUT?

FUCK CONSUMERS

>>388806353
>paying their shills
since when did pointing and laughing at thieves require payment?

its for free sempai HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA

>>388809242
>its for free sempai
Just like our games, wagecuck.

>>388808867
Pirate vanilla servers have population for one reason, it's free to play. Only a fraction of those people would actually pay a monthly sub to play vanilla

>>388808361
Why do you eat shoes?

>>388809321
hahahaha
>t.underage fag who spends mommies money on gaming chairs(lol) instead of games and when paying firends have finished the game hes waiting for some russian guy to allow him to play

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>I'M NOT OWNED! I'M NOT OWNED!!!!! YOU'RE ALL THIEVES! IM LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!! I ALWAYS WIN!!!!! I NEVER LOSE!!!!!! YOU'RE ALL MAD KEKS!!!! I WIN!!!!!!! YOU ARE MAD AS FUCK!!!!!!!

>>388809321
i though you people didnt pirate
>badlydrawnthinkingemoji.png

>>388809727
who said that?

>>388809778
so you ARE thieves?

>>388809727
But Anon, I don't even own a ship.

>>388809817
Piracy is not theft, and the legal system agrees. Sorry bait-kun but you're going to have to try harder.

>>388809817
No you're just a retard who can't tell the difference.

>>388809817
If it was really theft then why haven't any of the pirates convicted for piracy also been charged with theft and possession of stolen goods? You can be charged with multiple offences after all.

>>388810148
you can steal 1 grain o rice from a barrel
1. noone gives a fuck
2. you're still a thief
thats why

>>388809510
>he can't enjoy a game if all of his friends aren't playing it at the same time too, even though it's single player

>>388810358
So why is their only crime infringement of copyright? Which isn't theft, and therefore not thievery.

>>388810358
Not an argument.

>>388810358
Oh shit you are genious. I'm going to start doing this at my local supermarket. Just walk in, steal a grain of rice, bring it home and repeat

>>388810408
>t. fedora enthusiast / possible school shooter

@388810507
>enjoying a single player game by yourself makes you a possible school shooter fedora enthusiast

You're really desperate for (you)s. How pathetic.

>>388810358
>1. noone gives a fuck
Then why do they get arrested for it
>2. you're still a thief
Objectively false.

>>388810627
it sucks you didnt have any friends in school : /

>>388810718
But I do have friends in school. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>388810783
ok sempai ill drop it
its cool...
just take it easy my man

>>388810479
Their crime is IP theft. Just because you don't like the concept IP doesn't make it ok for you to disregard the property rights of others. It's theft because it's theft.

>>388810504
t. filthy thieving nigger

>>388810491
It is an argument. Piracy = Theft

>>388810684
>Then why do they get arrested for it
Because theiving niggers belong in jail.

>Objectively false.
Nope. It's objective fact pirating makes you a thief. You lose nigger.

>>388810824
So the answer is yes.

>>388810828
im taking a break dude
thanks for taking over
keep fighting the good fight

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>denuvo shills tagging in their buddies after getting thrashed all thread

wew

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>>388801192

>Current Denuvo Version according to rin.ru mods = V6

>>388800171
>Like i get the logic thay it drives initial month sales where sales are the inly time it really matters, but then why do games still have it years later?
Because either they're too lazy to patch it out or they already paid for years of this thing.

>>388811123
>inb4 they start making new versions every month because it's getting cracked in a week

>>388811160
It definitely not based on how long they paid for it, since publishers who have long-term contracts with denuvo have patched it out of cracked games.

>>388811207

They did actually.
After Agents of Mayhem is cracked, Denuvo creates new version again.

>>388811207
honestly it might as well be cracked in 5 hrs
but for those five hours the though of thirdworlder favella monkeys waiting on forums for free gibsmedats while respectable citizens enjoy their entertainment ...damn
its mouthwatering

>>388811349
Well, they can't just flat-out remove copy protection from their games. Removing denuvo and adding securom or whatever seems kind of pointless.

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>>388811389
My sides

>>388811461
Most of these games have basic copyright protection. Bethesda removed Denuvo from DOOM, the Rime devs and a few others have done it too.

>>388809128
>doesn't buy shit, just pirates it
good on you anon

Denuvo is Basic game protection like Steam right now.
Deal with it, piratefags.

>>388810828
>Piracy = Theft
Except in the eyes of the law.

>>388811813
I think you mean antipiracy fags. Pirates love the fact that three separate groups are competing to see who can crack each new release the fastest.

>>388811813
in what way? steam at least serves a purpose, denuvo doesn't benefit the consumer in any way at all

>>388811823
Nope.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft

Piracy is theft. End of story. Just because some retarded law calls it something less offensive to the ears doesn't change the act itself.

It's like the United States law calling bribes "lobbying" in order to make it appear less immoral. It doesn't change the fact it's bribing.

>>388811813
Steam DRM doesn't get a new version every week after getting cracked.

>>388811884

Denuvo is able to Delay Piracy from 1 month to 1 year.

>denuvo doesn't benefit the consumer in any way at all
Thats the point
Legit user isnt affected with Denuvo at all.

>>388812030
Intellectual property does not work like real property, therefore intellectual property theft cannot be equated with real property theft.

While both are morally concerning, there can and are cases in which intellectual property theft is considered harmless, sometimes even by law itself. Real property theft always hurts someone.

>>388812186
>Denuvo is able to Delay Piracy from 1 month
*1 week

>>388812030
>REEEEE PIRACY
>REEEEE LOBBYING
Guess what pal, piracy is only an issue because Hollywood has lobbyists pushing it as an issue.

>>388812229
*1 week (if nobody cares about the game)

>Legit user isnt affected with Denuvo at all.

Yeah not being able to play your game offline doesn't affect legit users.

Denvo offers nothing to consumers except drawbacks. At least steam justifies itself by offering a service to users.

>>388812186
>Legit user isnt affected with Denuvo at all.
Isn't there some kind of overhead the users PC has to endure while running the game?

>>388812285
If nobody cares about the game wouldn't it take even longer to crack? Why wouldn't high-profile games get more attention from people trying to crack them?

>>388812330
Yes. It's not really a big overhead (unless you implement it terribly like Rime did recently), but it is an overhead nonetheless.

>People defending Steam on top of Denuvo
Pure cancer, anyone defending either of them need executed.

>>388812356
That's what I mean. The current record stands at 3 days.

>>388812417
You are now aware that the average /v/ user doesn't remember a time before Steam.

>>388812417
Steam's DRM is relatively non-invasive and entirely optional - there are games on Steam which can just be copied from their directory and will work. In addition, unlike Denuvo, Steam actually offers benefits to the consumer in exchange for the DRM.

If you're against DRM, both are terrible, but they're not the same level of terrible.

>>388812330
Yes, and it can be quite intense on some games, drastically affecting performance. NieR: Automata being a prime example.

>>388812417
Steam is the lesser evil of the two. It offers something to the end user, and is piss easy to crack.

>>388812494
>want to install my DVD copy of Crysis
>remember it has SecuROM

Thanks DRM.

>>388800171

Games are still sold years after release. Most pirates will still try to get their dirty little hands on them.

Thats why Denuvo will always be their just to protect them and the companies.

Without Denuvo you wouldn't get no games, because the companies would go bankrupt.

>>388811461
>Well, they can't just flat-out remove copy protection from their games.
I think the amount of games released on sites like GOG, including higher-budget titles, speaks otherwise. You absolutely can flat-out remove copy protection from your game; the law still protects it.

>>388812213
>Intellectual property does not work like real propert

Dumb retard, they're one and the same.

>Intellectual property does not work like real propert

Pfft, I bet you think you own digital games to.

>intellectual property theft is considered harmless, sometimes even by law itself
It's 100% a fair comparison, you're using someone elses code (property) without their permission. It may as well be theft.

You don't own software, you own the license to own the software. I know /v/ is full of dumb as fuck kiddies but you should know the very first thing about IP law before talking about it.

>>388812285
>m-mummy wouldn't give me her credit card but I STILL DESERVE TO PLAY WAAAAAAAAAHHHH

>>388812560
>Witcher 3, one of the biggest releases of recent years, came with no DRM protection at all
>still did gangbusters and sold phenomenally
Your argument is invalid, corporate shill.

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>>388812560
>Without Denuvo you wouldn't get no games, because the companies would go bankrupt.

>>388812560
I thought the bulk of game sales happen within the first 2 weeks. Isn't that the whole selling point of Denuvo?

Shills can't even keep their rhetoric consistent.

>Without measures like Denuvo, you wouldn't get games, because developers wouldn't bother porting them over
Fixed

>>388812229

Only some.
Most Denuvo game takes a month to crack
Its still worth for developers to implement Denuvo.

>>388812560
>Protecting companies and their games that have already
You're not the brightest one are you

>>388812761
Most Denuvo games have taken less than a month to crack lately. The last string of games have taken anywhere from a week to literal DAYS to get cracked. It gets cracked all the time now. It's restrictive, despised, and doesn't even do its job so how the fuck is it still worth it for Devs?

>>388812761
>Most Denuvo game takes a month to crack
No, a week is pretty standard. The month wait is because there's more and more games using Denuvo and there's only three groups who can properly beat it right now.

>>388812621
>Dumb retard, they're one and the same.
No. The law treats them differently, and the real world treats them differently; you can't gain a piece of real property without another person losing/giving/trading said piece of real property to you, the same rule doesn't apply to intellectual property.

>Pfft, I bet you think you own digital games to.
Not necessarily, but there are many digital games I have fairly extensive rights to, as per their own license. A game being digital doesn't mean the owner automatically has the right to screw me over; I still have a right to choose which game I want to play.

>It's 100% a fair comparison, you're using someone elses code (property) without their permission. It may as well be theft.
Would you say the same about, say, downloading ancient software from a bankrupt company to get an old computer up and running, morally speaking?

>You don't own software, you own the license to own the software.
And the license can have a variety of terms in it. In addition, the law of my country can also grant me a small set of exceptions to said license - and, indeed, it does.

>Denuvo shill posts use Reddit spacing
Activated my almonds.

>>388812575
>I think the amount of games released on sites like GOG
Sure but if they wanted that, they'd be selling them on GOG. Which they aren't, unless they're old as dirt.

>>388800171
OP if it was something that was easily removed it wouldn't have been purchased in the first place.
You might as well ask why quake2 has a shitty graphics engine or why super mario world uses an outdated controller scheme

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>>388813065
>Sure but if they wanted that, they'd be selling them on GOG.
Trust me, the main reason developers don't use GOG is not the lack of DRM - it's the fact Steam has a few orders of magnitude more potential customers. And GOG gets new games alright, it just doesn't get as many.

Besides, there's still some games on Steam, not on GOG, and without copy protection. Steam's DRM is optional. There's also a few games available DRM-free on the Humble Store which aren't on GOG.

And they're not all indies made by two developers in their garage.

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>>388813110

LMAO

>>388813110
>literally who games, online only games and superseded games

>>388813225
>Steam's DRM is optional
Steam is DRM you Steam shill

>>388812929

>Week
Thats because Denuvo has legal issues with VMProtect back on Denuvo V4, But it already resolved now on Denuvo V4.5 Onwards (With Sony & EA Money)

>only three groups who can properly beat it right now.
More like One, Steampunks only can crack V3 Denuvo & Baldman is missing After V4.

>>388813316
Then why can I play Paradox games I bought on steam without being logged into Steam?

>>388812979

Mostly from here
www.reddit.com/r/crackwatch

>>388813225
I understand the decision behind adding copy protection. If they just release the files open for everyone, it sends the wrong message in terms of PR. They have to at least pretend they're protecting their IP.

>>388813316
Steam's DRM is completely optional. First of all, there are games which can literally be copied out of the Steam client's directory and played without it ever running. There aren't many of them, but they do exist. Second, you can use SteamCMD to download Steam games without the client.

>>388813342
The latest version of Denuvo is V6. The version of Denuvo before that was cracked within days. Your info is outdated, you're way behind.

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I just now realized I have posted bait pictures on BOTH sides in this thread.

What the fuck am I doing with my life... this isn't how I planned it to go as a child.

>>388813383
Pretty sad that even reddit is more pro piracy than /v/ is nowadays.

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>>388813110
>>388813284

rekt

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>>388800171
Let's not forget the OG of intrusive DRMs.

>>388813384
>If they just release the files open for everyone, it sends the wrong message in terms of PR.
Sure went badly for The Witcher 3.

>They have to at least pretend they're protecting their IP.
Steam's DRM is good enough for that - you don't need to pay extra for Denuvo. (Not to mention that, in Sonic Mania's case, the developers themselves spoke out against the addition of Denuvo on Twitter. That does actually send the completely wrong message in terms of PR.)

Me too, but it still means I can't play the game on my platform of choice.

>>388813384
How braindead do you have to be to actually believe this shit?

>>388813536
>not quizzes on what the third word in line seven of page eighteen of the manual
Newfag REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>388803538
>tried to launch game 5 minutes ago in offline mode
>still won't let you in after the patch

>>388813402

I know.

But Lets see then.
Agents of mayhem is cracked within 11 days and thats the only game that used Denuvo V5 then Denuvo updated to V6

But i bet this time it will took more than a month to crack.

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>>388813695
>But i bet this time it will took more than a month to crack.

>>388800171
I really don't see the need for extensive arguments to justify pirating.

Developers lose sleep and time with family and friends to make these games (or other applications). Working late into the night to make favorable deadlines for release. And face layoffs if sales earnings don't reach a certain number. There are plenty of games to play out there that don't cost near or at full retail price. Especially on PC.

>>388813395
Steam is inherently DRM you fucking shill.

>>388813774
>There are plenty of games to play out there that don't cost near or at full retail price.
The game which ignited the most recent wave of discussion about Denuvo is $20.

>I really don't see the need for extensive arguments to justify pirating.
Here's one: if Denuvo exists, pirates eventually get a better (less performance overhead, no always/sometimes-online requirement) product than paying customers. Many of the latter rightfully consider it unfair.

>>388813581
How retarded do you have to be to concoct this sort of reply?

>>388813838
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

No, no it's not. Does having to use GOG's website to download their games mean GOG employs DRM?

>>388813774
I don't really see the extensive arguments to demonize pirating.

If money were going directly to the developers not a middle man publisher you might have a point. The industry has an antagonistic relationship with its consumers, I don't see why I'm expected to sympathize with the devs above my own interest while game companies get a free pass to act amorally in the pursuit of profit over all else, above making good games or selling them to consumers under fair terms without deception or gimping products with always online requirements.

Steam is the Keyser Söze of DRM. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

>>388813774
>Developers lose sleep and time with family and friends to make these games (or other applications).
They also complain about Denuvo being added into their game, as in Sonic Mania.

>>388813920
Not as retarded to concoct the original post he was replying to. You have to be completely fucking retarded, like actual mentally disabled, to think releasing your game without copy protection is bad PR. The success of games like Witcher 3 directly refute your idiotic baseless claim.

>>388813635
What's bad about that system? Open a manual, enter the word, done. StarForce, however, fucks up even with valid CDs and keys. I spent two weeks doing everything I thought could help launch fucking Silent Storm, ranging from repeatedly reinstalling Wind00z to polishing the CD with a fucking sander polisher.

>>388814027
Why are you still posting after being proven wrong? >>388813954 >>388813352

Only 4 (FOUR) Games Denuvo games cracked within Days/Weeks

1st : Resident Evil 7: Biohazard = 5 Days = Denuvo V3
2nd : Prey = 9 Days = Denuvo V4
3rd : Tekken 7 = 4 Days = Denuvo V4
4th : Agents Of Mayhem = 11 Days = Denuvo V4.5 According to CPY

The other games took More than a month to cracked.
The longest game that is uncrackable now is FIFA 16 which already more than 2 Years Uncrackable
>Inb4 le sports game
Just Cause 3 Took 450+ Days to be cracked.

>>388813954
Yes, GOG is also inherently DRM.

>>388814150
Then we must also assume any form of distribution in history is also inherently DRM, as it all requires running some kind of client (even if it's just a web browser) or owning some kind of device (CD drive, floppy drive) to use the game. Even games which can be freely redistributed or modified have DRM.

What?

>>388814140
Luckily Valve trained PC gamers to be patient and wait until Steam sales to buy games, so waiting a week or two is nothing to us. They killed themselves, the fools! HAHAHAHAHA!

>>388800893
They have to continually pay for it if I'm not mistaken

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>>388814140
Who the fuck plays FIFA on PC?

>>388814246

Yurop & SEA

>>388803037
Check your HDD temperature, every time I play hardware demanding games I always hear a ticking sound in my pc, at first I thought it was my old ass gpu and cpu, turns out, it was my HDD, specifically the one where I put my games and programs partition, this happens after I played MGS V from steam

>>388814140
Nobody cares about sports games on PC
Just Cause 3 was the earliest implementation of Denuvo back when it was actually difficult to crack.

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I'm always surprised people don't mention this.Denuvo is like a 3rd party add on and it is costly so developer will use it to justify their price increase.And someone can tell me why people suck companies dick so much[Especially in gaming]?Do you thing they give a fuck about you?What does it gives to you?Does it feel good to fighting for them even though most of the time they are always in wrong.For example:DLC,Micro transaction,False adverting,etc.Why do you people still keep defending this?

>>388814246
Nobody, it's a Playstation series with a few dunces who buy Xbox versions as an aside from Call of Duty.

>>388814273
Yurop is Playstation territory m8.

>>388814297

Buy New PC, poorfag.

>>388814335

Everyone here is a cuckservative corporate fuckboy now, anon. Accept the new /v/.

>>388814335
think* Advertising* typos

>>388814050
>You have to be completely fucking retarded, like actual mentally disabled, to think releasing your game without copy protection is bad PR.
I guess most game studios are completely retarded and actually mentally disabled.

>>388814423
>appeal to authority fallacy

I'm sorry for your mental disability.

>>388814335
People don't understand that the developer has already been paid for their work on a game by the publisher and any money they spend to "support" their favorite studio goes directly into the greedy hands of some fuck in a suit who ordered focus testing that told him exactly how hard he could nickel and dime the average rube before they would stop buying games. If you have a minute of experience in this industry you will lose no sleep over pirating games from large publishers, which is the majority of piracy just like they are the majority of sales.

>>388814472
Yes, but there is one argument to be made against this - if the game sells below expectations, the suit may fire the developer, and the developer will no longer have the money.

You're literally hoping that the amount of paying customers is high enough to keep the flow of the games you play going. In other words, you're a kind of freeloader.

>>388814394
Why should he if the games run fine on his PC?
Why are you so obsessed with getting random anons to pay for shit?

>>388814471
As opposed to a flat out ad-hominem. You're not doing great here.

>>388814394
I'm saving for new gpu and cpu, and my pc might be old, but they serve me well in playing new games and still can give me 1080p60fps

It's the HDD part that is very concerning, since I don't want to ghost the files to new hdd and fix the registry path or something, but this is not a solution if this problem keeps ocuring if I play denuvo games

>>388814523
Do you go on /mu/ and /tv/ to bitch at people downloading music and movies for being freeloaders? Stop being stupid. Every single person who has ever visited /v/ could pirate every single game and it still would not affect sales more than the fucking margin for error on sales charts. Get the fuck over yourself and stop thinking you matter.

>>388814605
>Do you go on /mu/ and /tv/ to bitch at people downloading music and movies for being freeloaders?
No, but they technically are.

>Every single person who has ever visited /v/ could pirate every single game and it still would not affect sales more than the fucking margin for error on sales charts.
Sure, /v/ alone couldn't do it, but - since you brought up the TV argument - Game of Thrones's first episode has allegedly been pirated 90 million times and watched legally 16 million times. That's not at all a margin of error.

>>388814548
>my pc might be old, but they serve me well in playing new games and still can give me 1080p60fps

Spec or you are delusional.

>>388814534
You don't know what ad hominem means shit for brains. I already provided an example that directly refutes your nonsensical claim, you provided absolutely fuckall to back up said shitty claims
You're fucking abysmal at this. How do you even breathe without help? I'm surprised you can even use a keyboard with your utter lack of intelligence.

>>388814709
of Season 7*

>>388814202
Nope, the only DRM free form of distribution is a physical copy with no DRM.
I have some sympathy to having some code to redeem for online play for PC since that actually costs the developer money since they have to pay to have the servers up and more players connecting to the servers can increase the costs, but the single players should still have no form of DRM and the entire game should be on the discs.

>>388814729
>You don't know what ad hominem means shit for brains.

>How do you even breathe without help? I'm surprised you can even use a keyboard with your utter lack of intelligence.

>>388800171
Never effected me in any way. Even though I'm a pc pirate.

Still that logo is dumb as fuck.

>>388814729
Attacking the person making the argument instead of the argument itself. You can't go a single post without cursing like a hyperactive child because you're trying to avoid the subject. Other than getting mad, you've presented no compelling arguments as to why they shouldn't put copy protection in games.
Now go take your ritalin, think it through and try not to cut yourself in the process.

>>388814709
The reason Game of Thrones is so popular is because of piracy. It meant the entire world could get their hands on it.

Sure, HBO doesn't make any money from them watching it in their subscription cable model, but you can bet your sweet bippy that dvd/bluray/merch sales (where they make their actual money) would be through the fucking roof. If anything piracy helps sales by creating more buzz and more word of mouth and thus a healthier climate for your game.

Hell, Adobe got it's strangehold on the industry by being so pirateable. They won't say it out loud, but by having everyman learn THEIR product and THEIR way, it means institutional graduates will purchase THEIR software.

You'd think all those "freeloaders" would have gotten the show canceled by now and yet it's still going for 8 seasons.

>>388814790
That's not ad hominem.

>>388814785
>Nope, the only DRM free form of distribution is a physical copy with no DRM.
Physical copies are far more expensive to manufacture than digital ones, especially for more niche games; not to mention, they're a lot more risky, as you have to order them in volume to save money and thus you need to estimate sales.

The only difference between a DRM-free physical copy and a DRM-free digital copy is being able to resell the former, and that (a) only applies to games which have to be paid for in the first place, (b) only applies if the digital copy's storefront forbids you from reselling the acoount, which they usually do but it's not a necessity. The thing is, it appears most game developers hate the used games market and much prefer dropping the price of the game by 90% so they still get a little bit of money over having someone pay much more for an used copy from a reseller.

>>388814849
Yes. Being a freeloader is not directly harmful, I know that. However, in a world where piracy is actually legitimized and considered normal, why would you not be a freeloader - aside from the rare moral sensibilities?

>>388814969
>Physical copies are far more expensive to manufacture than digital ones, especially for more niche games; not to mention, they're a lot more risky, as you have to order them in volume to save money and thus you need to estimate sales.
Actually these days with DVD manufacturing the cost comes from shipping the discs to their destination. A standard sized DVD, cover and case (I'm assuming nobody wants or needs a manual anymore) comes out to about 80 cents but getting it from the factory in Asia to Europe or North America is in the order of ten dollars.

>>388814969
>Physical copies are far more expensive to manufacture than digital ones
And? You just outed yourself as a corporate cocksucker. You realize Steam/GOG take 30% right? Printing a physical copy costs under a dollar, well under a dollar in bulk.

>>388815181
>You realize Steam/GOG take 30% right?
Yes, but they also grant you visibility, update distribution servers and - most importantly - a storefront. I'm sure developers would use alternatives if they gave them more money.

Besides, you can use Humble Store (takes 15-25% depending on your charity settings, 5% for the widget) or itch.io (takes a configurable amount, the default is 10%). Nobody forces you to use Steam or GOG.

>>388814790
>>388814810
I didn't insult you in place of an argument, I insulted you along with presenting an argument. Dumbass. Learn to ignore bants and retort faglord, if you refuse to debate just because someone says something that makes your anus ache then you're only proving them right because you're such a pedantic twat that you simply make up the rules as you go in order to try and prove yourself right.

>You can't go a single post without cursing like a hyperactive child because you're trying to avoid the subject. Other than getting mad, you've presented no compelling arguments as to why they shouldn't put copy protection in games.
>Now go take your ritalin, think it through and try not to cut yourself in the process.

Oh look! Actual ad hominem! You're doing the very same thing you were accusing me of, while completely avoiding the actual subject. Where's your compelling argument as to why they should put copy protection in games, despite a case example showing otherwise? Oh right, you don't have any. Take the L and sit down kids.

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>>388814723
You know games can be played with different setting right?

>>388814729
>your argument is shit because you're mentally disabled
>your argument is shit because (reason)

guess which one is ad hominem, though it's the ad hominem(abusive) variant in this case

>>388815069
>However, in a world where piracy is actually legitimized and considered normal,
You already live in that world. You're literally posting on a website where piracy is (or at least was) legitimized and considered normal. Internet Piracy of pretty much every other medium other than video games has become normalized in the real world. You think the thousands if not hundreads of thousands of people running terabytes worth of plex servers and downloading roms for emulators give a shit about your definition of freeloading? Get real.

>this threads still going

Wasnt expecting a shitfest then again considering the topic...

>>388815485
Both of those statements were made, you dumb cunt. Just because someone is insulting you in an argument doesn't make it ad hominem. Learn how to debate instead of falling back on thought-terminating phrases whenever you're cornered in an argument.

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>>388800893
>i wouldnt be surprised if this was actually suits mindset
All the major console manufacturers literally do this today and have been doing so for almost a decade.

>>388812560
>Without Denuvo you wouldn't get no games, because the companies would go bankrupt.
Actually no.
What made PC gaming be a thing on this modern world was steam, not denuvo.
Steam allowed people to buy games as easy as you can pirate games, and pretty much got everyone willing to buy a game to buy games.

But with denuvo, you unbalance the shit again, you make the original game be worse than the pirate game, so people will tend to go to the pirate version.
Cracks on the physical era were called "no-cd patches" for a reason, as they allowed you to play your original game without needing to hunt down for the CD-ROM.

>>388815658
>Both of those statements were made
>I'm sorry for your mental disability
yeah, sure, both
just get off the keyboard kiddo and take your pills

>>388815463

>760
Pfft yeah right, 60 fps
Go make a confession in church, you are lying.

>>388816054
>get directly refuted with evidence
>ignore the evidence proving you wrong because you got rightfully called retarded

Ironically, you haven't done anything other than insulting instead of arguing. Step away from the computer and take your retard pills.

>>388816164
Still can play prey with medium settings, and can achieve 60 fps and like the pics shown, played pubg for almost a hundred hours without any problem what so ever despite everyone saying they got some crashes and shit. Most recent demanding shit that I remember is witcher 3, and finished it with medium settings and my pc can achieve 60 fps, high settings is where it started to struggle to keep 60 fps.

I don't care how the graphic looks like as long as I can play it, if I want to look at pretty moving picture in 60 fps, I just watch some cg movies or something.

And I didn't lie, I never said that 1080p60fps is stable in 60 fps

>>388816708
Stop replying to the faggot m8, he's just a jelly consolecuck who thinks you need to play on Ultra to have better graphics than his $400 DRM box.

>>388816647
yeah, the evidence of your post consisting of only an ad hominem, you didnt write anything else kiddo, are you tripping?
also, if you didnt notice, 3 different IPs are calling you out for your BS, this means im not the other anon and you shouod go back

>>388816826
That's actually the correct move, and I think he's also underage, considering his last post

Guess it's time to leave /v/ and actually finish broche route in witcher 2

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>>388816881
You're such a fan of screaming ad hominem, and yet you make an ad populum argument as if the number of IPs somehow prove my "BS". How about you go back to school you shitsucking mongoloid.

>the evidence of your post consisting of only an ad hominem, you didnt write anything else kiddo, are you tripping?
Wrong you shitsucking mongoloid. See: >>388814050

I provided you with a case example of a popular AAA game that directly benifited from positive PR from not using copyright protection. You have no argument that using copyright protection on a game leads to positive PR, all you can do is cry ad homiem while spewing nothing but insults.

You got BTFO you downie. Now sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>388815245
>I didn't insult you in place of an argument, I insulted you along with presenting an argument.
You didn't present any arguments. Look, I'm sorry mommy isn't back from work yet, but I'm not your babysitter.

>>388817449
I made the argument that games do not gain positive PR from using copyright protection, and gave you an example that shows the opposite. But please keep spewing ad hominems after you tried to accuse me of doing the same you hypocritical retard.

>Sony's DAC rootkit
>Starforce's rootkit
>Securom rootkit and limited activations
>Spore
>Ubisoft's always online DRM with Asscreed/Anno
>Blizzard's always online DRM for D3
>DRM-Free being a selling point for games that don't have DRM
>Denuvo and pretty much every other controvery whenever a new implementation of DRM comes out.

To be fair, I would have also called you mentally disabled for suggesting DRM is good PR

>>388817587
>I made the argument that games do not gain positive PR from using copyright protection
It's not about gaining positive PR, it's about not letting people think they're okay with copying their games and giving them away. That's the wrong PR, probably.
They are required by law to protect their IP, so at least pretending they're doing something to alleviate the rampant piracy is the least they can do. I say this as a person who thinks there's nothing that can be done against piracy, because it will always find its way.
Pretty much the only way to stop pirates for good is to only use cloud services like playstation now, g-cluster or onlive or whatever.

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>>388808106
They used Denuvo, as if I wanted to play this joke

>>388817953
>They are required by law to protect their IP

See, this is why people called you stupid. You can't seriously assert that companies are legally obligated to use copyright protection and then expect to be taken seriously.

>>388818163
Not aggressively protecting your copyrights weakens you when you do need to protect it legally. Why do you think fan games get shut down all the time? It's not because companies are mad that they have passionate fans, it's so that when some chucklefuck decides to try to sell a fan game he can't point at the other ones and say "SEE, THEY'RE FINE WITH PEOPLE USING THEIR IP!"

>>388818163
>See, this is why people called you stupid.
I'm guessing this happens to you all the time, and you come here to lash out because of this.

>>388800968
>Cracked Version of RE7 Is still unplayable on Older processors
Is it? I have an i5 from like 2009 and I had no real issues with a pirated RE7.

>>388818879
>he fell for the "you will lose out on your IP if you don't send C&D orders to everyone" meme
Kek.

>>388820129
It's almost like Denuvo shills are spreading disinformation...

>>388818879
That's only relevant to trademarks and not copyright.

If they don't want anyone to use their company logo, name or catch phrase then they need to go on the offensive or possibly end up like Band-Air or Bubble Wrap, but you don't need to actively enforce your intellectual properties. If you own it you own it and nobody else is allowed to use it freely without your approval until you or time releases it to the public.

>>388815494
>Internet Piracy of pretty much every other medium other than video games has become normalized in the real world.

Books are a good counterargument, though not for long.

>>388821238
Books and audio books are pirated a lot, but I think it's more just like with the consoles it's often harder to pirate for them so less people do it.

>>388821238
>>388821359
Tbh I'd say it's because nobody fucking reads anymore.

>>388821408
That too. But it's also just the fact that not everyone is reading on a tablet/e-reader and not many are willing to print out a 400 page book on their home printer.

And as you said, the few people who does read these days are older or hobbyists or like the people who get the occasional airport novel or new your times best seller and none of them pirates all that much.

>>388821642
I guarantee you that the demographics for game, movie and TV piracy are much younger than the average book reader these days.

>>388819674
>gets called retarded
>NO U
I feel sorry for your parents. If I had a child as mentally challenged as you I'd abort it.

>>388821810
I could imagine there is like a gap where younger and older people are reading but the like 30-50 year olds aren't.
As "geekdom" is becoming more and more normie, more and more younger people read stuff like Game of Thrones and all the other geek books that are cool right now, whereas the only people who are around 39 and reads are the fat housewifes reading 50 shades of grey.

>>388821238
>what is a copy machine

E-book piracy is massive and book piracy is so normalized that most people don't even realize when they're doing it.

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>>388806001
>brick your PC

>>388818879
I love reading posts like these. my favorite feature of this site is absolutely no consequences for opinions sucking ffucking ass and being 100% wrong about everything

>>388822696
Irony: the post.

>>388822804
t. doesn't know what irony is

>>388800171
bacause they dont care about you, once denuvo goes under (and it will) along with its servers, do you think publishers like konami will release the clean exe (30MB worth of update) to make mgsV playable?
the only games that removed it were
>doom
ID is actually a competent developer and tried to revitalize the game removing denuvo and hoping for mods
>andromeda
desperate move by EA since it was selling like shit and got cracked twice
then you get a few indies which have to care about good PR

>download bf1 cpy for the campaign
>silky smooth 120+ fps
>borrow a friends origin account and dl legit version
>60 fps online and 90 fps campaign both with drops every few secs

why is this allowed again?
So you pay the price by losing performance, by losing money to denuvo(with which you could have a better game or simply lower price) and all just so pirates can't play during the first 10 days. LMAO what the fuck how are people even buying this? Do they not care where their hard earned money goes?

>>388823418
But anon If they just release the files open for everyone, it sends the wrong message in terms of PR. They have to at least pretend they're protecting their IP. They are required by law to protect their IP, It's about not letting people think they're okay with copying their games and giving them away.

>>388805859
>Devs want to make money for something they made
>This is greedy
>Not the faggots that demand to pirate it

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>denuvofags are back
I wonder could be behind this reddit tier bait.

>>388823872
The campaign runs on different engine in bf games.

>>388824219
Cool, so Denuvo only costs 30fps!

>>388823959
>Publisher tries to profit off games they didn't make by gimping the fuck out of them with always online DRM, disc locked content, p2w microtransactions
>this is somehow not greedy
>people want quality game at a fair price, pirate instead of paying to get shit on by game companies
>somehow they're greedy faggots

You've been sucking so much industry cuck the cum is bleeding out of your eye sockets.

>>388803106
Really? How does this works?

>>388803469
Wow i want to be like these smart people.

Said nobody.

>>388824317
>pirate instead of paying to get shit on by game companies
You could always buy games from companies who don't shit on you, and give zero attention or care to the terrible releases.

>>388813110
why would someone waste money on denuvo for multiplayer only titles, and ones not even available on steam?
do EA get denuvo for free or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Remember when Sony put rootkits and other malware onto people's systems for the purposes of DRM and corporate interests?
Remember when that happened multiple times?
Remember when Denuvo were since the very beginning put together by and funded by Sony?

Sony has a fucking terrible track record when it comes to DRM and respecting their customers. It's not even limited to the above, it just so happens to be the most grievous examples.
Just like before they're treating you as a potential criminal at all times. But they're the ones you want to trust?