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Tree of Savior (ToS) or Path of Exile (PoE)?
Which is the superior F2P2W game?
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PoE cause it wasn't made by gooks.
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PoE because it isn't riddled with bugs that have been in the game since CBT and also doesn't limit how many times you can run dungeons daily with an option to run them more if you pay for it
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>>388800025
ToS is fucking awful. Literally the worst MMO I've ever played.
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>>388800025
Tree of Savior is pretty shit, coming from a weeb who likes MMOs.
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>>388800025
Warframe
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ToS was supposed to be the real successor to RO, but it became your shitty, buggy, p2w, Korean-mmo grinder...
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*boots up path of exile*
*sets up shop thread in the forums*
*opens up acquisition*
*pms poe.trade for trade online link*
*configures acquisition*
*price check all items and assign the price on for one*
*buys currency tab so i can be competitive in the game*
*roll a map*
*press Y, check my pantheon powers*
*go to town, talk to navali and get some prophecies*
*near death encounter in map*
*log out*
ah... feels good to be part of the PoE master race
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>>388800580
The original RO was pay to play with credits tied to hours you could play in game...
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>>388800841
so just by playing, you won?
amazing logic friendo
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>>388800025
how the fuck is PoE F2P2W? only ToS belongs in that category because it's a soulless bug riddled game made by gooks.
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>>388800580
So you mean it became the successor to RO then
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>>388800421
>weeb
I don't understand this word
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PoE is extremely repetitive
You don't ever find that out for ToS, because the grind is unbearably long as shit
just play warframe, it is leaps and bounds a better game than either of these two
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PoE isnt p2w
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>>388801409
>Muh bank tabs
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>>388801409
>tfw beat poe in SSF HC lvl 100 without spending a penny
LOL
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>>388801409
all the cash shop items are cosmetics that dont affect stats or gameplay from what ive seen
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>>388800025
Path of Exile has fun gameplay.
From an objective point of view I can't really say anything else good about Path of Exile. It doesn't seem to really offer anything super special, yet people keep playing it. I guess the gameplay must be fun enough.
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>>388801321
>just play warframe, it is leaps and bounds a better game than either of these two
I played Warframe, and it most definitely didn't feel even a tiny bit better than Path of Exile.
Warframe grind is far more repetitive than Path of Exile has ever been.
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>>388801761
it does offer something that ARPGs fans have desperately wanted since they moved on from Diablo II:LoD
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>have to pay money for stash tabs still
I wish they would let me trade orbs on the steam marketplace already so I could buy tabs, because I am never ever going to spend money on an online game.
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>>388801321
>PoE is repetitive, play Warframe instead
Brain damage.
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>>388802692
I remember having to run this one map 45 times in a row to get all the pieces to craft one of the older frames. I think it was Nova, but it might've been something else. Didn't feel repetitive at all!!!!1111
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>>388801321
>PoE is extremely repetitive
>just play warframe
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>>388800025
FATE
http://store.steampowered.com/app/246840/FATE/
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>>388803459
That's not F2P
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POE is f2p fotm trash
better game is diablo 3, buy necro pack, and play through game + expansion for first time and its god tier experience over POE's spamming 1 skill for 90 hours and doing literally nothing regarding story or bosses or anything
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>>388803459
>tfw I bought my first pc and had no games except all those free wild tangent games with infinite coins because the program was bugged so it was like steam except it gave you unlimited free demos for everything infinitely
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>>388800025
PoE is not P2W.
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>>388803659
>POE is f2p fotm trash
>FOTM
The game has been out for 4 years and has been popular ever since. It even had a lengthy beta process, where people could play the game.
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>>388803875
poe is a meme game
>look at muh skill menu!
>spends entire 900 hours spamming 1 skill
>has literally like 3 choices for actual viable builds
1 hour in diablo 3 is better than 300 hours in poe
its only fotm right now due to expansion launch and massive shill party hyping it up for a month
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>>388800025
HMMMMMMM GEEEEEE I WONDER
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>>388804268
more players = better
that's like saying league of legends is the best game in the whole wide world
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>>388804268
That's like comparing a mound of shit to a turd
They're both shit, one just has more of itself
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>>388804624
It obviously is.
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>>388804624
Yeah, when an older game has 10x more players then it does make you question how good the newer game is.
>>388804029
I've played both games. You can make builds with many skills if you want in PoE, but most people build in a way where you should be able to handle most situations with a few skills.
On top of that there are many viable builds. A very very large amount of viable builds. Just because you're too stupid to figure out one doesn't mean there aren't viable builds.
>its only fotm right now due to expansion launch and massive shill party hyping it up for a month
Yeah, that explains why PoE has peaked higher than most games ever will on several occasions in the last 12 months.
>>388804624
>that's like saying league of legends is the best game in the whole wide world
You can't really argue it's a bad game. If it was so bad game then so many people wouldn't keep playing it. We might not be able to quantify why it's good, but undoubtedly there is no game that attracts as many people and keeps them playing.
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>>388805114
Smoking isn't good for you but people still smoke.
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PoE is very fun and the devs are pretty awesome adding in lots of content, once I witnessed the dimb grind in ToS I immediately quit plus it wasn't really satisfying combat.
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>>388800025
tos is one of the most disappointing games I've ever played
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>>388806809
>>388806186
why are they all girls?
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FLICKER master race
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>>388806996
There are a few boys in that image.
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>>388807086
How do we fix ToS?
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>>388804842
Fuck off the internet, normie fucking cunt bag. Your sheeple kind ruin everything.
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>>388805114
PoE is a fucking garbage easy game for braindead normies, fuck off outta here and go play with your facebook tier friends.
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>>388807128
It seems like they are very slowly fixing the game. There's another major patch coming out and it looks like they realized that the game needs to be a cutesy Diablo and not the fucking disaster that caused it to hemorrhage players.
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>>388803459
oh shit
i remember this game
now i remember why torchlight looked so familiar
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>>388807361
>blizzdrone calling anyone a normie
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>>388807482
day late and a dollar shot, the damage has been done and the game will never be able to come back from the horrendous shittalking it's gotten since launch. Games don't recover from that.
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>>388800025
PoE because it's actually fun.
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>Go to create account for PoE
>Sorry that username is already taken
>Sorry that username is already taken
>Sorry that username is already taken
>Sorry that username is already taken
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>Launcher installs instantly
>Have to download nearly 8gb worth of shit
>Close launcher and uninstall
It's probably not that good anyway.
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>>388801321
dont really see whats repetitive. Like so many diffrent play styles and gem combinations along with item effects that if you tried to play every style it would take sevreal hundred hours to figure them all out. Then theres the PVP part of the game that is its own game in its own.,
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>>388808319
I'd say the filesize is justified and not all that inflated like other modern games
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>>388808319
Just use Steam if you're that lazy.
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>>388808617
nah he should just stick to playing flash games if hes lazy.
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>>388800025
I've never played Path of Exile, but
Path of Exile
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PoE is one of the best currently on steam, I'd recommend it to anyone.
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>>388807086
DELETE THIS
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> Unironically playing weebshit F2P MMOs.
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I haven't played PoE but I'd be willing to bet it's miles better than ToS
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>>388800798
did you just greentext in 4chan without greentexting?
what has the world come to?
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>>388801761
https://youtu.be/7GMkiEx1mmg
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I have 3,000 hours on ToS and only 100 on PoE. PoE got boring pretty quick but I wouldn't recommend ToS to my worst enemy.
PoE.
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>>388800025
>weeb trash
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>>388800025
PoE is what Diablo 3 should have been.
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>>388800025
ToS is such wasted potential is not funny.
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I like ToS but the servers are trash and I always have 400+ ping
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PoE is the only free2play game I've played that feels like a polished full priced game and isn't really pay2win.
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>>388800025
>I'm in that top screenshot
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>>388800490
>No fun allowed until you grind up this awful gear you don't want to use.
That game is 99% grind 1% gameplay.
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>>388809757
Grindy, deceptively simple and overrated?
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>>388810030
Yeah, I agree. That's why D3 is a piece of shit game.
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>>388810030
No you read it wrong. What D3 Should've Been. Not What D3 Is.
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>>388810229
>D3
>any of those three things
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>>388808319
>>388808535
Yeah the filezise is just fine for the AMOUNT of content the game has. Without redoing a map or wasting too much time you take well over 10 hours with one character alone to reach act 10.
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>>388809757
Agreed.
D3 was such a slap in the face to D2 fans.
How do you make the loot in an ARPG so fucking boring?
>muh sets
>PRIMAL ANCIENTS GOIS
It feels much nicer to find a nicely rolled rare in poe than finding fucking ANYTHING in D3.
I mean you can't even fucking trade in D3 like, WTF.
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>>388800025
Are you comparing an MMO and a hack&slash?
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>>388800025
grim dawn, but it's not f2p or p2w
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>>388805114
>Yeah, when an older game has 10x more players then it does make you question how good the newer game is.
it's not good, it's free, that's the sole reason it has players
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>>388810557
Good job anon, you're starting to get it. D3 is a disgrace to it's franchise. Glad you agree with me.
>>388810714
Not to mention all the shit talking in the beginning they did at David Brevik, iirc that who it was, saying that D3 was better than D2 and that he was a hack for criticizing their game. That was the day I officially gave up on the game out of principle.
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>>388811476
I agree that POE is a piece of shit game people only latched onto because it wasn't D3.
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>Kim "a" Hack-u still after all of those years of cursing Ragnarok online with incredibly terrible netcode and server hasn't learned a single thing about optimization
>this time he fucking bonkered the client too
after that it's just modern day gooks doing what they can do best: absolutely failing to deliver on what genre they're standing on.
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>>388801321
>PoE is extremely repetitive
>just play warframe
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>>388812159
Cute opinion, anon.
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>>388801321
>Complains about the horrible repetition in one game
>Complains about the horrible grind in another
>Recommends Warframe which is the worst and has both.
What the actual fuck, this has to be the most contradictory post I have ever seen in my entire life.
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>>388810030
>deceptively simple
I wish trying to take into account the Skill Tree, jewels, jewel slots, skill gems and gear take up as much time as playing, that is IF you make your own build and not copy a cookie cutter one. No shame in looking at Mathil's videos though, the guy is hot.
>>388812159
Bad opinion anon the game is full of flaws but those you cited weren't them.
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>>388800025
>which is the superior F2P game
>superior
>F2P
Only children, monkeys and NEETs play those.
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>>388812872
Considering you belong in all the three groups, which one do you play?
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>>388812625
Are you saying POE isn't grindy and overrated?
Are you saying the skill tree isn't much simpler than it initially appears?
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>>388800580
You literally described RO.
The difference is that RO valued cooperation in a difficult world while ToS values solo grinding in an easy world.
On top of that, in RO, grinding was a byproduct of growing your guild. ToS has grinding for the sake of grinding, since there are no relevant server-wide activities.
On top of that, RO had an extremely free-flow progression, you could hunt for endgame gear at level 30 with an alt, or maximize experience on a level 98 character who was completely naked, and have both be viable strategies depending on the map/context. ToS has dungeon runs, quests, rewards, and is generally more on rails.
tl;dr ToS completely destroyed the good things about RO (exept visuals), and kept and introduced the bad ones.
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>>388800025
why does the bottom screenshot look almost identical to titan quest?
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I like having classes to play
PoE is a solid game but it's "create-your-class" doesnt appeal to me
ToS has a long list of classes but its a shitty game
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>>388814278
>grindy
It's on the genre, it's PART of the fun. Mind you I got REALLY SHIT luck with my crafting yesterday and for the first time in ten acts I had to redo some maps so I could get the currency I needed, and I actually had fun doing that, also gave me time to fine tune some parts of my build that simply weren't efficient.
>much simpler than initially appears
Such is the case with everything that looks big and scary when you first see it, I mean take a look at Rimworld, at the beginning it seems to be super complex and hard, but nope pretty simple and easy, if extremely unbalanced.
That's the actual problem with PoE, things simply aren't balanced well enough, for example you don't really have the option of building as much defense as possible and foregoing the HP nodes simply because while you'll deal well with physical damage, the elemental damage has a very low cap, so many bosses will instakill you even if you are at the cap of their element.
The node placement is also not really good, take a look at the Shadow assassin ascendancy, it's poison and bleed focused, poison got axed hard so if you are going to ailments you need bleed, but all the nodes are very far away from the Shadow starting point.
Which brings yet another problem which is how heavy some nerfs are.
I think the point you should made about the Skill Tree is that rather than being more simple, it has less options than it initially appears.
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>>388801678
item tabs in a game about collecting items affects the gameplay.
>b-but you aren't more powerful!
you are a dumb person who has been tricked by a simple hoop. stop considering a single moment, and consider instead a cycle.
>less time spent micromanaging inventory
>more time spent doing the actual activities that power you up, no downsides
Now take two players who spent the same exact time on the game, and who possess the same skill/knowledge. One has significantly less item managing to do.
Which one has the better characters?
The one who paid has got an advantage given the same abilities. Long-term pay-2-win is still pay to win. Today you learned something new.
>n-n-n-no, it's not!
Alright, let me educate you further.
I will now design something that uses the same levels of """convenience""", you tell me if it's pay to win now:
>open up a daily challenge dungeon at the same server hour, this is the endgame
>dungeon stays up for 10 minutes, it's a 30 minutes long challenge so you will never fully complete it before time is over
>before entering, you are thrown 50 special stones in your inventory
>those who bought inventory space can go in right away and loot anything that drops within those 10 minutes
>those who don't pay have to complete a dialogue-quest to get rid of the stones so they can have inventory space to loot the shit in the dungeon, that takes up 3 minutes if you ace it fast
So now, we can easily calculate a real advantage in numbers (you get 10 minutes of good loot for their 7 minutes, flat). Is it still just convenience now? The fundamental advantage is the same, the condensed context makes it easier to see how unfair it is when you look at the bigger picture.
Glad to have helped you understand that blindly accepting convenience p2w shit is going to make this scenario slowly creep into f2p games just like founders packs and all the other cancer.
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>>388801026
>>388801356
Not to the same degree of other games, but Stash Tabs do make a difference and are essential if you are serious about playing the game beyond beating the main story once.
inb4 muh mules
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>>388814919
Not even the guy you're speaking to, but what?
>those who don't pay have to complete a dialogue-quest to get rid of the stones so they can have inventory space to loot the shit in the dungeon, that takes up 3 minutes if you ace it fast
Why did you have to stop to do anything? If the stones are that important, you'll just ignore the gear drops in favor of the stones. Why would you talk to some dialogue quest giver, when the point of the dungeon is to go fast? You created a situation where no one, even the ones with the extra inventory slots wouldn't waste time on.
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I'm playing TOS continually since CBT and if you have some questions just ask and I am not just some anon regurgitating more than 1 year old info.
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>>388815252
2fps hoglan?
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>>388815392
>2fps hoglan?
What?
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>>388815438
>>388815392
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>>388815503
Never had that. What potato PC are you using?
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>which is better? repetitive shit or a ghost town made of shit?
play kingdom of loathing
it's not massively multiplayer and it's not realtime but you need your palette cleansed if those games are your only two options
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>>388815549
>Never had that
So you're literally confirming that you haven't been playing the game sine CBT?
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is this a joke? i don't even like poe but at least it's a functioning video game. tos (more like pos) is fundamentally broken
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>>388814748
>Its not grindy
>oh wait it is grindy but grindy
Make up your mind.
You POE cock suckers are autistic fucks.
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>>388800025
Poe, you can literally a buy a unique to make your build op.
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>>388815549
>It's a shitposter shitposts about a game he's never played post
oh boy
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>>388815654
I played since CBT and never once did my FPS tanked to those levels except when there was that quest.
And you had that problem more than a year ago and you're still shitposting about it?
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>>388814278
I'm saying it's grindy, I'm saying it's not a problem.
>poe cocksucker
>after 90% of what I posted is criticism
Yeah learn to read nigger.
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>>388800025
why is this even a question?
POE
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> F2P2W
> About 7 920 results
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>>388800025
ToS is basically the JP dream, since its about as close as you'll get to the Isekai meme. Shitton of levels, tons of class snowflakeness, even though the game isn't great it's still about as reminiscent of what people think they want in MMOs in the first place, but no one wants to actually put in the work.
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>>388815252
You still cannot trade freely like in RO?
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>>388800025
tibia
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>>388814921
this is the best criticism against poe so far
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>>388815170
The stones exist to fill your inventory. They cannot be dropped.
Free players have 51 inventory slots.
Subbed players have 100 inventory slots.
You have to stop to drop the stones if you are a free player otherwise you get no loot from the endgame dungeon. You will get less loot for the same playtime, much like how any convenience hoop is set up right now, there are just more hoops in front to make you believe it's all fair game.
Also, about the game design philosophy:
>design a game with targeted obstacles
>make people pay to bypass it
Surely I cannot see how this could ever ruin games or be detrimental to game design.
Imagine if the app store existed in real life. That would be a great indication of a shit environment that produces and promotes dog shit games and a great point for my argument.
Game design needs to be the one thing that's pure, the moment you start thinking about intentionally impairing someone with waitwalls that bring no upside to the experience, the game is actively worse.
Even if you pay, you are paying for a game that put development effort into a mechanic you want to bypass/skip, which existed to make the game worse in the first place. It's a fundamentally retarded concept that third world cucks accepted.
For example, arcade practices led to games being hard. The upside was the increased challenges and it is what led to competitive videogames. Still exploitative, but you could twist it around to see a point to it.
Waiting and convenience walls can't lead to anything positive, on the player's end. They are universally dog shit and fully malign in intent.
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>>388800490
> GrindFrame
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!DE will nerf chroma next
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>>388815793
And this is just one of my rarely alt.
>>388815937
Still need tokens if you want it to not be non-tradeable but materials/etc can be without tokens.
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who let /tosg/ out of their ERP box
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>>388816112
You mean /ded/?
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>>388816041
>800 hours
Holy shit nigga.
I clocked in 1000 on english version alone before R8 was released.
And like another 500 on the korean version.
If you don't know 2fps hoglando you're either lying about playing CBT, or have never been to a single /v/ or /vg/ thread about ToS before.
Game is pure p2w and has almost no content.
And whatever content there is, is lacking depth.
Grind is the only reason to play.
>>388807128
Actually make it what they marketed to be.
As in, make different builds viable.
For a good example, let's take Peltast. To make them viable pick past C1 nowadays, you need a Murmillo for that +400% attribute. And vice versa. You want Murm to be worth the money? Get Pelt.
This basically kills whatever build customization this game had to offer.
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>>388814919
You're a fucking idiot. At PoE endgame you simply do not pick up most of the loot during mapping no matter how much inventory space you've got because a skilled player can tell what is shit and what is not simply by seeing the base of the item. Picking up every gold drop and selling it for augmentation orbs is a waste of time. Most uniques that drop are trash too and if it's a good unique, once again a skilled player will notice it by seeing the base item that unique comes from displayed when it is unidentified right after it drops. Only autistic hoarders need more than four stash tabs. As for the rest of your diatribe, it has absolutely no bearing on Path of Exile and your ridiculous "stone" example is just autistic grasping at straws.
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>>388816041
And that was point that killed game for me.
We played It with my wife, and being unable to give her gear ruined experience.
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>>388816362
You don't know how to read fucktard. This is just one of my rarely used alt.
>I clocked in 1000
Show proof then?
> /vg/ thread about ToS before.
You mean THE ERP thread in the ERP containment board yes I have never been since CBT because it was a shitfest then it is safe to assume it is a shitfest now.
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>>388816449
Yup that part still sucks but at the very least tokens are cheap again.
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>>388816556
Cheap with in-game money, right?
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>>388815992
Okay first off
>The stones exist to fill your inventory. They cannot be dropped.
>You have to stop to drop the stones if you are a free player
If you can't drop the stones, I assume you mean drop them off by doing the quest, then why is that a problem if you get a reward from just having the stones? A full inventory with 51, or 100 still gives you a reward, unless your trying to say there are tiers for the rewards based off of the number of stones you have, in which case, yes that's bullshit, but if just having the stones gives you a reward, then being a player with more inventory space doesn't give an advantage over a player that doesn't.
Second, if you don't mean dropping the stones off by doing the quest, again why do the quest in the first place? You'll still ignore everything in favor of the stones, and if you get a reward for having a full inventory of stones, then doing the quest, even if you paid for more slots, still takes up time that can be used going through the dungeon.
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>>388816667
Yes.
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>>388816394
if you're going to get mad at his points try addressing the fact that a paying player's inventory won't fill up as fast as an f2p player's rather than saying both fill up slightly slower than he thinks
because it does fill up, and inventory space is a problem
address the argument instead of dodging it
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>>388816470
What kind of retard would show his alt instead of main when making an argument.
Actually I know one but your grammar is too good to be him. Was super autistic about Hunters. Gave that dude a key.
By the time 2fps hoglando was a meme, only Cattly was acting gay. If that alone supposedly scared you off, damn.
Dunno how to prove it to you. Can't really show you my playtime before R8 came out, can I?
But I've been playing since the korean CBT. The one that didn't have 0.3x exp rates and last 3 whopping days. Only five people on 4chan had access to that as far as I'm aware.
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>>388801321
Funny you say that, i recently, like 1 week ago, stopped playing PoE because the gameplay loop was kinda of reminding me of warframe, the ignore most enemies to do the objective/find the next exit to the quest, one shot the few you actually fight and repeat in the next mission/quest, at least i feel like i'm playing something in warframe, not just pressing right click sometimes.
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>>388816965
>What kind of retard would show his alt instead of main when making an argument.
Because that was my old main and I switched last month to several for pure silver farming but I know you didn't know the reason for this because you haven't played for more than a year ago.
>By the time 2fps hoglando was a meme
Oh so now you know it is just a meme so why keep repeating it? OH WAIT I KNOW SHITPOSTINT RIGHT?
>only Cattly was acting gay. If that alone supposedly scared you off, damn
> Was super autistic about Hunters. Gave that dude a key.
Fuck now I know who you are. You're one of those discord faggots that derailed the thread by pushing everyone to use discord and all you do in discord is share clips of you masturbating and some faggotry shit like that.
>Dunno how to prove it to you. Can't really show you my playtime before R8 came out, can I?
>steam
What a retarded faggot
>But I've been playing since the korean CBT. The one that didn't have 0.3x exp rates and last 3 whopping days. Only five people on 4chan had access to that as far as I'm aware.
>KCBT
Why is this important oh wait I know. Because you want it to be important.
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>>388817121
Oh, hello 3jane.
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>>388817179
>implying
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>>388814449
bump please anyone?
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>>388817201
Bottomline, ToS is not a good game.
Anyone can play it and have fun, but you can do that with 99% of video games.
Only redeeming qualities are OST and the enviroments.
Build variety is extinct, endgame content is overtuned for cheese builds or transcended gear, PvP is a disaster, and social element has faded.
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>>388800348
>PoE
>Not riddled with bugs that have been in it since CBT
I mean, it's come a long ways since then. But there's still several issues it's had since then.
Specifically sync issues with movement skills (even with lockstep)
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>>388817940
>ToS is not a good game.
Oh look the discord degenerate is an arbiter of what's good or not.
>Build variety is extinct
Keep repeating over a year old shit
>endgame content is overtuned for cheese builds
Keep repeating over a year old shit
>PvP is a disaster
>not elaborating how
Keep repeating over a year old shit
> social element has faded.
Because you can't share your degeneracy in-game right?
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>>388800025
TOS has to be the most boring game I have ever played.
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>>388817659
It's because TQ and PoE is are both arpgs, or hack and slash rpgs, which ever you want to call them.
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>>388816394
>The absolute state of GGGdrones.
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>>388800025
>P2W
Something that PoE is the complete opposite of.
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>>388809575
its whatsapp boldtexting
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>>388800025
>shouldn't explore in any of the act zones since maps/endgame are all that matter anyway and your loot from the story acts will be redundant anyway
>and when you get to the maps your "effectiveness" progression slowly downgrades to 0.5% upgrades
>need very specific items if you want your build to be endgame viable, so you HAVE TO trade
>can't have certain enemies/bosses/zones drop certain weapons/armors etc. more likely because reasons
>this means pretty much means that 95% of the loot you get is worthless, the rest you can sell for currency so that you can buy the items you need for yourself
Great design GGG. Truly brilliant.
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>>388818167
The dumb thing with TOS is that for it to "be fun" you have to sink a good 15-20 hours into it.
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>>388800025
doesnt ToS have some pretty big P2W shit lika stamina buying and more mats/gear or w/e?
PoE is second best F2P model after Dota 2.
Not comparable
>>388800490
Pretty sure you can buy currency in WF or w/e, makes it decently P2W.
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>>388818315
PlayGrim Dawnif you don't know about it yet. Drop rates are relatively generous and the absolute best items are well rolled Monster Infrequents which you only get from specific enemies/bosses so you can farm for exactly what you need.
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>>388818101
Well I've clearly played the game before you did. And I've spent more time playing other MMOs instead of clinging to one.
An issue being in the game for over a year doesn't excuse it being there. You got used to it, but it's still an issue.
As for the social aspect, I sure as hell would prefer doing daily dungeons and missions with shitters that at least keep the atmosphere light, over shitters that don't say a word and could very well not be there.
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I don't like how you can't mindless grind in ToS unlike RO and how you have a "fixed" leveling route instead of the openess of RO and how skills become useless once you change classes!
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>>388818640
The things you mentioned in this thread are OLD NEWS repeating them again and again makes them FAKE NEWS. You are FAKE NEWS.
Just go back to your discord.
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>>388810669
If you're good and lucky, it took me like 3 days of playing after work to get that shit done. Of course I didn't use the streamlined leveling modalities that a lot of people do, either.
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>>388818826
Nobody actually believes in your damage control.
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>>388818471
Yeah you pretty much have to buy a token every month with money or ingame money to unlock all features in the game. Those tokens are like $20 which is ridiculous for a monthly fee.
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>>388819095
>Nobody actually believes in your damage control.
You're the one that reneged on lots of stuff here. Keep being delusional degenerate.
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>>388819157
Or you can farm primes and sell them for plat without paying a single cent.
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>>388819157
They cost $2-5 million in-game silver. You can get 200k silver to 1 million silver per day. Token last a month. Game has big problems but this is a minor one.
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>>388819212
I meant ToS.
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>>388819212
Plat doesn´t exist in ToS
You can still farm money to buy a token every month but someone has to buy it for $20 to sell it to you.
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>>388819270
I see, my bad, disregard.
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>>388819295
>$20
>does not know about cubes
>Only correct ages ago
People here really likes to regurgitate more than a year old information.
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>>388818901
>3 days
>while doing every side area, vaal, completing side missions and clearing the entire map
I doubt it.
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how much have you bought?
>tfw spent over $500
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>>388800490
The fact that anyone supports Warframe and DE after they fucked over Warbros disgusts me.
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Is there a pet/summoning class in PoE? How is it?
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>>388800025
ToS is getting poor men WoE now for more muh RO feel
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>>388821761
witch is closest to the minion skills
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>>388800025
Jesus, why is there so much shit all over the screen in ToS? What a fucking terrible UI
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>>388821761
Not really.
Grim Dawn does though, and is a better version of POE anyway, so go play that.
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ToS literally picked the spoils of RO, kept everything bad about RO and making them worse while also accurately picking evrything good about RO and discarding it.
Maybe when we get Rank 9, with Diablo 3 very poor rifts ripoff introduction too and Colony Wars emulating WoE it might be worth a check, right now the only endgame is stocking currency.
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>>388822138
That screen is more than 1 year old
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>>388800025
How is this even a question? ToS is terrible. Hence why their game is dead as shit.
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>>388822271
The economy will be overinflated to hell and back (it already kind of is) once we get rank 9. Thanks Necro AFKers.
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>>388800025
F2P is the cancer killing MMOs so fuck both of them
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>>388822475
The economy right now is dead, no one buy or sell shit anymore, endgame BiS craft recipes went from worth millions to "why the fufk i dropped this trash not even an NPC merchant would buy from me?", ofc their mats are worth next to nothing too
Why Aspana is the only still worth a lot recipe? Because people are making SR so they could Limacon mobs for silvers for hours like bots, while also having a Necro or two or 8 fucking alt like a mate of mine accounts afk farming silvers in background
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>>388821761
There is a summoner set up. The main issue is that the only really viable build is based around summoning little flaming skulls that are only alive for a few seconds and aren't really summons in the classic sense. The actual long term summon options are clunky, crappy, and reliant on a number of uniques to make work.
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>>388822767
Fuck off Capyba
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>>388822883
Can't play on shit dead servers but guess people having a dozen of necros are quite common then.
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>>388822164
I have been. Put 85 hours into it. I can't wait for the new expansion.
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>>388822164
Things might change in the expac with the necro class, but the current pet options for grim dawn suck. You can only get a handful of permanent pets, and they are pretty boring to use. The rest are based on procs that are unreliable at best.
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>>388820653
only bought the breachlord support pack
glad i did since that league was great
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