What are the good Sonic games? Also, please don't post

>>388758853
1
2
CD
3&K
Mania

rest are garbage

>>388759120
The advance games are great.

They're all bad games

>>388759120
Yeah the Advance games are almost as good as Sonic Mania and definitely better than Sonic 1.

>>388759208
Shit taste

>>388758853
1, 2, 3, Knuckles, CD, Mania, Advance 1 & 2, Rush, Colors, Generations.

That's it.

>>388759264
>>388759167
Not him but I really disagree on that

I agree 1 is much rougher than the other Genesis games but still a lot better than the GBA ones. I personally feel the only good advance game is 1, which basically feels like a poor man's genesis Sonic anyway.

I don't think 1 deserves the hate it gets recently, put next to Sonic 2 it might not seem that impressive, but put it next to basically any other platformer from its time and you can see how much it did that was new and worth praising.

>>388759413
Advance is great.

>>388759120
This and if you like them you may try the master system/game gear games, the advance and rush series.

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>1
>2
>CD
>3&K
>Chaos
>Triple Trouble
>Advance Trilogy
>Rush (can't speak for Adventure since I haven't played it)
>Rivals 2
>Mania

>>388759468
Advance 1 and 3 balance speed WAY better than Sonic 1 does.

>>388758853

Sonic 1, 2, 3&K

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2

Sonic Advance 1 and 2

Sonic Battle

Sonic Unleashed(HD version day stages only), Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations

Sonic Mania

I don't get the hate for Advance 3.

>>388759575
Yeah but even Sonic 1 with all of its shitty old game garbage trying to figure things out still has better level design than the Advance games. Dimps was never good at strong level design for Sonic. Also the camera is way too close in my opinion in the Advance games, they wanted Sonic to look big and detailed but it leads to way too many leap of faith and blind sprint moments.

>>388759712
It's got some pretty poor level design decisions, noticeably more than 2. I still like it more though.

>>388759365
I do seem to be in the minority on it, the games just don't do anything for me.

Horses for courses and all that shit.

>>388759712
Only thing I didn't like was the Kirby like hub world

>>388759120
This

>>388759826
I never had fun with Marble or Labyrinth zone. I can't say any zones from Advance are that bad. Like most people I have seen seem to agree with this there may not be any spectacular stages from the Advance trilogy but I only know of one really awful one, that being Chaos Angel.

>>388759954
I did like playing stages in any order.

>>388759712
The level design is absolute trash

>>388758853

Picked up a master system today with sonic 2 and beat that first crab boss first time. Fuck yes

>>388760075
Sure, Sonic 1 has legit awful stages, but the good stages are amazing. The good stages in Advance are just okay. Even in the good stages there's still way too many random death pits, leaps of faith, spike pit traps, and in general things that will kill you unfairly for not having the level 100% memorized because Dimps is bad at knowing how to make a good challenging level so they throw in a bunch of cheap deaths you can't see coming because dying = difficulty. The highs aren't as high and the lows aren't as low, but I'd still say the average quality of the game overall in Sonic 1 is higher than the Advance games.

>>388760519
So Sonic 1 is better because it is easy?
You know the Advance games have an easy mode too.

>>388759712

Someone may possibly have mentioned this already, but the level design is garbage.

People who say Advance 3 is better than Advance 2 are off their rockers. 2's level design is actually really solid for most part, the fact that it has a lot of bottomless pits isn't inherently a bad thing.

The team-based gameplay was well implemented in 3 though. The only good implementation in fact, other than the traditional Sonic & Tails duo.

>>388760519
I don't think Starlight Zone is that much better than some of the zones in Advance 1. Since most of the stages is going fast then occasionally avoiding fans blowing you away and bombs blowing up in your face.

>>388760642
The Advance games are easy. The exact point I was making was that cheap deaths are not actual difficulty and are just bad level design. Falling in a death pit because I literally could not see where the fuck I was going to land is not challenging game design, it's trial and error. You can still make it through the Advance games just fine without getting a game over, but the journey through those levels is annoying and in a lot of cases not fun. Like I said, they never reach the lows that Sonic 1 does with legit awful level, but the good levels in Advance aren't even very good. Sonic 1 mixes fantastic levels with terrible levels and averages out to like a 7, Advance mixes okay levels with below average levels and averages out to a 5, maybe a 6. That's what I'm saying.

>>388761083
I think it is the unfortunate part of balancing around the teams, depending on your choice can change how much you enjoy a level.

>>388761083

Advance 2 started the trend of leaving enemies, spikes, and pits fucking everywhere and there were too many blind leaps into the unknown that would instantly kill you or hit you, then instantly kill you. Mechanically Advance 2 is fairly sound though the special stage access is fucking garbage.

What do you all think about Classic Sonic's gameplay in Generations? I didn't care for modern all that much, but the classic gameplay seemed pretty solid and fairly faithful to the original games. I had a lot of fun trying to lower my times on most of the stages.

>>388761859
>faithful to the original games
It was faithful to Sonic 4. It controls nothing like the classic games, the physics are 100% wrong, there's an abundance of boost pads and loops and cinematic hold right to win sections that play the game for you, it was classic Sonic in name only. Not outright offensive as their own thing, it was okay, but a pale imitation of the thing it's trying to replicate.

>>388761859

Every single Sonic game that is 2D but uses 3D graphics (or imitates 3D graphics as in the case of Sonic 4) has terrible controls and physics.

It's really weird actually, you'd think it wouldn't be hard to replicate the classic 2D gameplay with 3D models, but I guess the kind of people who get hired for games with 3D graphics tend not to have the programming know-how to do good 2D gameplay.

>>388762538
I enjoy Sonic Rush.

>>388761859

Sonic handled like complete trash and was in no way faithful to how he played, but the stage design ended up fairly interesting for the most part. Forces looks like its a step back.

>>388762773
Why? It's all the problems of Sonic Advance condensed into one game with the new problem of boost to win.

>>388759413
>Colors Ds
>Generations 3DS

You're kidding right?

>>388759826
Every level in Advance is Sandopolis tier

>>388759120
I thought that this sub loved SA2 even though it's 3D.

>>388762969
It is exhilarating.

>>388758853
Sonic Unleashed.

>>388762969
To some degree it has better level design as well as a less autistic method of unlocking special stages, better special stages and you don't need to get all the fucking emeralds on every character to unlock the full game

PC version is shit.
Had to alttab during Flying Battery 2 boss. Switching back to it, just got a black picture while the game still ran otherwise. Exited out the game, restarted, all options were reverted to default, including the 240p resolution and right back to Act I. Still can't get it to save settings. You'd think it was delayed to fix this shit. At least my controller works for it, supposedly there's issues with detecting those on some systems.

>>388764393
I haven't had a problem alt tabbing. Clean up your PC

>>388764631
>works fine on my end ;)
Mind pming me the fix?

>>388765556
Shouldn't have pirated the game. Thread closed.

>>388759120
This but Colors is good too. Only good 3D game.

>>388759120
>>388759167
>>388759264
>>388759413
>>388759468
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>>388759575
>forgetting SONIC POCKET ADVENTURE

>>388758853
adventure was fun

>>388765784
This. Colors is alright. Level design leaves a lot to be desired, but at least there isn't a bunch of stupid play-styles or awful padding.

>>388769076
I agree. Sonic Rush Adventure was pretty aight

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>>388759120
Generations was pretty good. Except for Planet Wisp.

>>388772270
What's wrong with what he said?