Why is FFXIV so successful when so many MMOs have failed? Stormblood

>>388672296
Main reason I play it is because, I can actually have a life while still being a ""top"" raider.

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the formula works, i guess

>>388672735
Serious talk, many people will try to shitpost this or make it sound like a bad thing, but its so fucking great that you don't have to ruin your life to play it.

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anyone use vpn?
I just got mudfish, reduced ping by 30-40 which is pretty cool and no disconnects so far. Seems like its worth the 3 dollars for the many months itll last.

>I pay for a sub I want more content
>okay then unsub and come back when more stuff comes out
>GAEM IS KILL

>>388672735
>>388673030
In a recent interview he stated they feel they've nailed content for players with limited time and know how to create quality content from them on the regular and that 4.3 on wards will really focus on the players who spend all their time on the game. They apparently have some new unique shit coming that they really want to talk about. It's got me pretty hyped to be honestly.

Well technically it DID fail. But its "reborn" state was quite the miracle.

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>Enjoying my Roe but some of the animations look a little goofy since they weren't made with big models in mind

Should I just switch back to highlander

>>388674469
If you're enjoying it then why switch?

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>>388673802
>literally is not kill
>literally is still making great profit

Even if everyone left the moment they finished MSQ, hit level cap, and did all the non-grind side content, they have more than enough profit to run the servers and make the next expac with no worries.

>>388674551

I like being a big dude but I dont like how silly some of the shit looks

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>>388674771
Do you really notice it that much, or is it just a small thing? Are you sure you're not just overthinking it due to being worried you may have wasted your money on a fantasia, so you're getting nitpicky?

Is it just me, or have femc@s become even more selfcentered, bitchy and angry lately?

>>388674875

I do notice it, the game is not that fast paced

Anyways I've only ever used my free ones

>>388675312
Well, if you notice it and it really does bother you, change back. It seems like you've made your mind up.

>>388675154

they've been like that ever since they had to compete with au ra

>>388674469
Male Roe here, its pretty noticeable on DRG, but otherwise I don't mind it.
I like my character too much to switch.

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>>388672296
WoW had a lot of ERPfags that Blizzard wasn't catering to. SE swooped them all up. Which is why you can't go five feet in a major city without seeing two catgirls emote humping each other.

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http://may.2chan.net/b/res/506571750.htm

>>388676017
What am I supposed to be looking at

>>388676113
Futaba's SB thread

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>>388673030
>>388672735
>>388672539

Literally these.

The main difference I've found in ''top'' raids such as Deltascape/Exdeath atm. Is that it can almost be beaten just with the gear you get from running the Expert Duty's + normal Deltascape.

There is no extreme grind. The mechanics are difficult but mastering them is more important than attaining a certain gearscore.

Currently Kiljaeden/Fallen Avatar is more about your gear than the actual fight. Blizzard just pumps HP into bosses to make the content last longer.

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>it's another "log in Tuesday, clear the tier and log out until next Tuesday"
How do you find something to do in this game?
I could level up classes but I have everything I like to 70 and dont really want to force myself doing stuff I dont like

>still queued for servers
What server are you on anon? Im on cactuar and alright here
>>388672296

>>388676264
Did you try to look up other things like PVP achievement reward, sightlog, hunting for rare fish, working on Golden saucer...Etc?

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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR BORN OF STRIIIIIFE
THESE TRIIIIIALS PERSUADE UUUUUS NOOOOOOOOT

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>>388676438
Not that guy but PvP in FFXIV is the worst shit I've ever played.

>>388676571
I'm perfectly ok with all that stuff you listed, expect maybe Achievement tank mounts but I wont do that shit.
I could PvP but like >>388676571 said PvP is absolutely shit.
4.0 ruined it for me, and heck this patch makes the things worse, DPS getting nerfed and healers untouched, making everything so hard to kill.

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>>388676782
>>388676571
>Make PVP more accessible for people who didn't want to get into it
>Crush any level of depth for the people into it

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>>388676973
>mfw this statement works just as well if you swap PVP with Tanking

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>>388676017
>Industrial waste tank access

Can anyone give me a detailed rotation for RDM? I just can't figure it out.

>>388677881
Hit the bright button.

>>388677881

>Alternate black/white magic until 80/80
>Do your enhanced combo

Wow so hard brainlet

>>388677987
>>388678031
I still don't get it, can you give me a rundown?

>>388678205
Bind half the keyboard to white, half the keyboard to black and then bash your face against it.

>>388678205
Yeah, sure. First ofall, the SMN bow to the RDM.

>>388678327
I keep backflipping off ledges now. What do?

>>388678350
Why is this?

>>388678628
Because they're
>in contact with their inner support side
>rumored to possess Big Dick DPS
>control FFLogs with an iron fist
>own mansions from The Mist to Shirogane
>direct descendants of Ancient Mhachian and Amdaporian bloodlines
>will spearhead the first O8S clear (Redmagengrad will be the first guild to down Butz Savage)
And so on and so forth.

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>>388679174
You know, we make jokes, but then I see people doing sub 1kdps as RDM. It's just mind boggling.

>>388679508
People who hard cast the shit they should be instant casting with the class are hilarious.

>>388672296
It has final fantasy in it's name.

You should also conider the fact that WoW, a game that's been dying for a decade, still has twice the active playerbase. You shouldn't be so impressed.

>>388672735
>Japanese MMO developer
>"Don't be a NEET over a video game, it's okay to take time off to play other games or spend time with friends/family."
>Western MMO developer
>"You think you want to quit, but you don't. Now pay up your sub or you will get left behind severely."

>>388680454
Why do you even bother to compare them? WoW has been in an entirely different tier than literally every other MMO since it launched.

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>>388673030
>compulsory 100+ hour MSQ to even clear the base game
>i can just play it casually lol

POST GLAMOURS

>>388680754
Well yeah you can, there's literally nothing that force you to speed up your progress in the MSQ.

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>>388680798
Here are some elves glamoured for the beach.

>>388680693
Because it really shouldn't be. If FFXIV wasn't a creatively bankrupt, boring, grindy ass game that only weebs with nothing else to do can suffer through, it would easily top WoW's numbers without breaking a sweat.

But we're stuck copying WoW, ten years down the line, a game that wasn't even good in the first place, just was in the right place and the right time.

>>388680454
FFXIV patch 1.0 had the same name as it did and it flopped commercially in sales and critically in reviews. Then they reboot the game and now it's a success in sales and reviews. How did they do it and why do other MMOs fail while this one succeeded when it already failed once?

>>388680865
Alphinaud has clearly superior taste in minion.

>>388680890
>other MMOs fail

Except they didn't. GW2 has had a similar playerbase to FFXIV for a while. Same goes for BDO. Like I said, FFXIV isn't a success, it's just not a failure. Go look at Square's review meetings. FFXIV is barely staying afloat.

That, and Stormblood is already dead.

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>>388680886
It honestly makes no difference if you're creative or uncreative, archeage was creative, V:SoH was creative, APB was creative, all dead. Hell, dead faster than most WoW clones. Double hell, compare 1.0 which was much more akin to FFXI and ARR, people just like this more. FFXIV gets as far away from WoW as possible without reaching total unfamiliarity.

That being said, were there a way, I would hop ship to a pre-cu SWG 2 the second it was announced. I much prefer sandbox, but every time one comes out it's a dumpster fire.

>>388672296
I played WoW for over a decade since TBC came out and I gotta say that WoW declined dramatically after Wrath of the Lich King came near it's end. It became apparent that Blizzard cared more about keeping the game on a hamster wheel than making interesting content or actually expanding the game without dumbing it down signifacntly.

As for FFXIV, it's not perfect by any means and it does nothing innovative. But it does a lot of old formulas right and with polish. There's something for everyone whether you're a new player or a person at the level cap. The whole design philosophy FFXIV has where you treat it as a JRPG with co-op and when you see the final credits you quit or engage in NG+ (Savage or leveling alt jobs) is not ideal to hardcore MMO players that live and breath the game, but I find it a good balance for everyone in general as it allows people to play at their own pace and if you get burned out and quit then it's not impossible or difficult to catch up. That's what I believe is FFXIVs major advantage over WoW.

>>388680942
How bitter do you think Alphinaud is that his own sister of all people non-memetically cucked him out of another adventure with the WoL?

>>388681280
I swear I've read this post before.

>>388681265
>GW2 has had a similar playerbase to FFXIV for a while
lmao no. GW2 had to go F2P just to save its face and BDO is already F2P in russia/korea, those two games are losing players fast after people figured out they have no future.

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>>388681265
>F2P games have same sub count as a subscription game
>that means the subscription game is equal or inferior

Please stop posting stupid things.

>>388680865
Alisaie is all kinds of beautieful.

>>388681378
it's a archive repost because I'm not going to type out that shit again

HW>>SB (so far)>>>ARR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1.0

>tfw you played through ARR, HW, and SB all in one go and you don't care about any of the new shit and just want the story to continue
Fuck meaningful content, give me my MSQ continuation already.

>>388681835
this, never had an MMO hook me on their story like this game

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>>388672735
>>388676190
>>388680620

I've said it before in other threads but it keeps getting more true. I played WoW for literally a decade as a progression minded raider and was burning out during Warlords of Draenor. I started up characters with a friend late into ARR and fooled about during those last months and the early stretch of Heavensward but then became a lot more dedicated with Stormblood while trying and quitting Legion a few months after it came out. In my time in FFXIV whenever I played I really felt like I was playing because I wanted to play but when I was playing Warlords of Draenor and after I finished the leveling experience of Legion I noticed that the game was constantly trying to remind me that I needed to keep playing.

FFXIV certainly has its flaws and WoW still does some things better but that difference between Want and Need is a world of difference to me.

>>388681835
>>388681973

Maybe in a few months, dumb amelicans

keep paying that sub though hahah :3

>>388682052
lol

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>>388681265
>FFXIV isn't a success

>>388682301
>comparing it to a shitty, dying game
>still less players and subs
>'All time high'
lol

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>week 7
>still no roborant
why
why can't people just willingly concede the weapon to the highest dps
this is the 3rd time i've been cucked by some tank who thinks he needs a weapon more than me

>>388682472
FFXIV is the #2 most active subscriber MMO in the world right now.

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>why is a game called Final Fantasy successful?

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>>388682472

>>388682734
see
>>388680890

>>388682669
Behind a dead, decrepit game nobody plays.

Being number two means nothing if there are only two people in the race. And it's on tricycles.

>>388682887
>i have no counter argument.gif

>>388682896
XIV was so shitty on release, not even the brand name could save it.

Now it's slightly less shitty.

>>388682979
now you're just being dumb

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>>388683062
>i made an assertion without evidence, debate me

>>388683187
He's not wrong. MMOs are old hat at this point. Every game in the Steam top five probably makes more money than WoW and FFXIV. League probably makes as much as both combined. And now you got PUBG which is the new hotness.

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>got genji weapon week 1
>"Well looks like this tier's in the bag"
>suddenly gear for my job stops dropping and its week fucking 7 and im still i333 with no genji chest
well fuck you too rng

>>388682979

There have been at least 3 subscription based MMOs made since FFXIV came out (Wildstar, SWTOR and ESO) and all of them couldn't survive on the sub model so had to head to a B2P/F2P model.

Granted, FFXIV also has a pretty fucking outrageous cash shop, so what's the difference, really.

I just feel the combat is too slow for my tastes. The 2.5 second GCD feels like an eternity and the off GCD abilities are too few and far between. I played up to the end of ARR and just kinda called it quits after doing Cutscenes: The Duty. If there was better quest variety or something, I might of stuck around longer, but it looks like just killing or right clicking sparklies.

At least Gold Saucer was fun

>>388683609
>pretty fucking outrageous cash shop
not really, nothing is p2w on the shop. compare it to WoW or korean MMOs where they let you buy in-game currency and then exchange that currency for any top level raid carry

>>388683506
are you kidding? WoW and FFXIV are money gold mines. They get people to pay $20 for the base game, $40-60 for expansions, and then $15 a month sub fee. That's not even including cash shop shit.

>>388683718
ARR was boring, combat has improved since then but if 2.5 is a big deal for you, you probably still wont like it.

>>388683862
<tfw legacy player and my subscription is only $8/month.

>>388683736

I didn't know a top level raid carry was considered 'winning' these days.

>>388683718
You really have to play to the End of heavensward to get a good feel of the game.
Some people might say that's stupid, but that's just the par for every MMO with thousands of hours of gameplay.

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>>388681473
>tfw no Alisaie favourmate to show your Blade of Light to
Chop chop Yoshi, I want my Gold Saucer dates ASAP.

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unsub from my game already!

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>>388684085
>tfw couldnt suffer through 3 months of sub time so I only got legacy tattoo

>>388683862
All those games have cash shops. Many have box prices too. WoW probably isn't even Blizzard's big maker anymore with Overwatch. Even before that I bet Hearthstone was making comparable money with all the mobile bux and the fact that it takes $200 just to catch up with the meta.

>>388684246
Don't forget to post the image next time.

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>>388684232

I want to wreck Alisae's girl pussy

>>388672296
>game actually fun before max level
>old content isn't outdated with new expansions
>actually has not just a story but a well written story
>classes are balanced
>extremely alt friendly
>nice community
>best housing system of any mmos
>content actually fucking hard
>beautiful, outstanding music
no idea

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Anyone else bored already?

>7 lvl 70 jobs
>ilv 337 atm
>all crafts and gather at 70
>omege S cleared

What's 4.1 adding besides a 24 man raid that would be fin for the firt week (lets be honest here, yo will hate to do it every week after the first one). And probably the new relic/anima?

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>>388684356
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>isae

>>388682559
Pugging? If so that's how it rolls.

>>388683541
Spent all your brownie points on the weapon.

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>>388684515
>24 man raid
>anima
>???
>???

I will probably unsub again after finishng the new weapon steps

>>388683736

>compare it to WoW or korean MMOs

Never played WoW and even then I don't like to 'compare' games, because you can take a fucking mobile game charging $10000 for a virtual egg and point at pretty much anything else and say 'See this cash shop isn't so bad!'

No, it's pretty shit that a cash shop is included in a sub-based game at all. Now, I realize this is just the reality of the MMO market as a whole because a person who is sensible with their money isn't going to make for record profits so catering to glamour-fags and 'get me to max level now!' queers is too lucrative a market to pass up. But that doesn't mean I can't think it's fucking shit.

>>388683718
The combat gets much MUCH better when you're at level 70. I think it's far better than any other big MMO at that point.
I'd say the biggest problem with FFXIV is how slowly it opens up

>>388672735
This and the replies have piqued my interest to come back. How does it accomplish the idea that you can feel fulfilled if you maybe all of 4 hours a week? Did they increase tomestone gains so you can get gear quicker? Are boss mechanics something you can lead now on the fly without your group telling you to watch a video? I maimed NIN in the base game

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>>388684584

You better believe it

>suddenly no one buying anything im selling
MUH MANSION

also is the game laggy right now for anyone else?

>>388684371
Not to be a dick but the music in this game is fucking terrible and gets super old super quick.

>>388684707
You can clear any content with gear you can get in a few days when you hit 70.
Of course the boss tactics are still complex, because if they weren't, anyone could clear the hardest content in a few tries. You still don't have to watch videos or read guides, just join/make blind practice groups in PF and figure out everything by yourself

>>388684371

See, classes are balanced and it does have a 'nice' community for the most part, but you're clearly not being serious with the rest of that.

Although the housing system isn't THAT bad. It's just not all-inclusive which makes poor people butthurt. Granted I'd take Wildstar's system over FFXIV's any time.

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>>388684770
THAT'S A MAN BABY

>>388684809
It was lagging like crazy for me earlier. I only bothered to do my Trial Roulette and said fuck the rest. I got Moggle Mog and either he or I lagged clean through Memento Moogle, so I knew it was time to say enough.

>>388684847
You may not be a dick, but you're really, really wrong

>>388684515

I have no idea. I keep hearing about Eureka but who knows how that will turn out.

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>>388685051

what is the best way to farm crystals because fuck buying them shits expensive

>>388685138
>what is the best way to farm crystals

From my expeirence, its time. Just get yourself into a bunch of hunting LS and do 4.0 A ranks

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>Hit 45 on DRK
>Have never played a caster before
>Use dark arts
>Run out of mana
>Brain breaks in half when I can't pull aggro back in a dungeon with unleash because I have no mana to cast it

This is going to take some getting used to.

Also, when or when should I not be using grit? I never really use it except when I need to tank like 4 or more enemies, but blood price seems important for mana generation?

>>388685138

You mean crafting crystals? I guess you can literally farm them - if you have a house you can get 450 a day by planting seeds, or if you have an apartment, 100 a day.

>>388685310
>when or when should I not be using grit?
you always use it

ALWAYS

>>388685310
Use Grit when you pull, it makes it much easier to establish hate.
Drop it when it seems you aren't taking that much damage

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>Always fascinated by BLM in but everything I read suggested it'd be boring so I kept putting off making one
>Make one on a whim and it's fun as fuck and now my main
>Always fascinated by DRG in but everything I read suggested it'd be boring so I kept putting off making one
Is this going to be the same or am I going to get it to 58 before abandoning it and regret every second spent

>>388685253
Crafting crystals?

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Does anyone have the full pic, please?

>>388679972
Never ever

>>388685375
Dont have a house unfortunately, if i get an apartment can i still get a house later?

>>388684515
What's confirmed for patch 4.1 so far

>MSQ continuation
>Shinryu Extreme fight
>Return to Ivalice raid
>Super Savage Mode fight
>New PVP game mode and map
>Eureka zone
>Relic weapon
>Shirogane housing and swimming pools
>Job balance changes for PVE and PVP
>Quality of Life changes and bug fixes

>>388685438
blm is great
drg is shit

Couldnt get into it. I played for an hour and uninstalled.

>>388685438
DRG is probably the hardest dps class to preform well on and easily up with SAM in terms of endgame fight optimization for maxing dps. It's aesthetic as fuck and interesting to play but, the difficulty for not SAM numbers keeps people off of it.

>>388685547
In terms of fun or big dick parsing?

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>>388672735
>log in to do some roulettes for tomes
>do a Omega Normal for a drop
>log out
>go play other video games for the rest of the night

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>>388685534
>>MSQ continuation
Done in a hour
>>Shinryu Extreme fight
Most people will farm it the first week and never touch it again
>>Return to Ivalice raid
Boring after the first week and hated every week
>>Super Savage Mode fight
why?
>>New PVP game mode and map
LOL
>>Eureka zone
This could be interesting. Hope is not another failed event
>>Relic weapon
No. Fuck you and your "It's just a comestic"
>>Shirogane housing and swimming pools
Finally
>>Job balance changes for PVE and PVP
Please fix mch
>>Quality of Life changes and bug fixes
meh

Was hopping for more new stuff and not the same shit they have been giving us since 2.0 but whit another look

>>388685519

Yep, apartments don't count towards housing. Hell you can have a FC house, a private house and an apartment.

>>388685681
both

>>388685665
>drg
>when smn exist

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>didn't get anything this week
>for the 6th week
Why can't I redo them until I get something like normal mode

>>388685812
well fuck guess ill have that for now may as well get some coming in each day

>>388672296
I'm thinking about buying this tomorrow but I don't know what class I want to play.

>>388685889
I'm bored and willing to spoonfeed, what are you looking for?

>>388685786
What exactly were you hoping for? Be specific and elaborate your points. Don't just say "I want something different" because that's how you end up with diadem and LoV

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IT'S BEEN 7 FUCKING WEEKS
7
WITHOUT A FUCKING OS2 DROP FOR ME

FUCK THIS SHIT

>>388685947
I want something different but doing well

Not the same 24 man shit every 2 updates
I wonder if they will survive without them

>>388685947
I think the best thing to do ould be to integrate the world more with the players.

>>388686047
>I want something different but doing well

You're the reason why MMO Devs hate reading feedback. You want something different but you are so dumb that you can't even explain what exactly you want. Not everyone can read your fucking mind.

>>388685947
>wanting something new is now bad

Kys
Retards like you is why they keep doing this shit

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Opinion time.

Which looks better?

>>388685937
Dunno, I keep checking out Bard, Ninja, Monk. Caster classes look neat too. Looking for a easy class to play I guess. Friend told me Monk is good for a start but abilities are boring.

>>388686140
How exactly? You mean more hunts?

>>388686251
Left

>>388672296
Tell me when they drop the sub and I'll give it a shot, even WoW has an alternative to it these days.

>>388672296
Let me tell you something.
I recently tried wow over the last few days.
I got bored very quickly.

The main reason?
There's essentially no reason for me to level up except for the sake of leveling up to get to the current content, and the story doesn't matter until you're at current content too.

In FFXIV, from level 1 there is a story and you get into the thick of it, because this isn't just an MMO, this is also a final fantasy game.
I cannot stress this enough, it IS a fully fledged final fantasy game, and you are the main character of it.
Not just at max level, from the beginning of the game, and the main story quest alone will last you as long as any good old final fantasy game.

>>388672735
This is another reason, and as much as it enrages dedicated wow players it rings truer every day as I have a job and other shit to do besides play an mmorpg every day of every week.

A third reason would be because I'm a controller player, I loooove using the controller in FFXIV, and while many dedicated kb/m users will say that controller is inferior I can play just as well or better than everyone else with it.

Personal fourth reason the music is SOOOO GOOD.
I grow chest hairs just fighting Suzano and Ravana, and Pharos Sirus is still one of the most beautiful dungeon bgm's in the game.

Man... just talking about FFXIV is making me want to resub.

>>388686319
Free trial up to level 35.

>>388686179
He didn't say that though? New things are good but you have to explain what you mean by new, 'I want new shit' isn't constructive at all

>>388686251
Left looks cool.

>>388686179
How did you even come to that conclusion? Are you retarded? Elaborate your fucking points.

>>388686251
outfit on the right makes you look kinda gay
t. gayfag

>>388681280
>I played WoW for over a decade since TBC came out and I gotta say that WoW declined dramatically after Wrath of the Lich King came near it's end.
Whoa, you have the same opinion as literally everyone else. Thanks for sharing.

>>388686401
They have been adding the same 24 man content, 1 or 2 dungs and a raid and calling it new content for 4 years.

They need to add new stuff as rewarding as those

>>388686251
What helmet?

>>388686571
Like what? Be specific. You're a terrible ideas guy if you can't even give examples of what would be better content.

>>388685885
If you gather the crystals you can do about 1000/hr

>PLD pulls with Holy Spirit

Why is this becoming a thing?

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>>388686251

How are you still THIS gay. Just fantasia into something else mate.

>>388686661
>you need to give ideas to prove that something is wrong

Ok you're a troll

>>388686287
I mean, do you want easy or fun?
BRD is all instant casts while juggling DoTs and song mechanics
Casters
BLM (after 60) is HOLY SHIT EXPLOSIONS: the class but unlike other MMO mages (in my opinion) it's pretty skill based and fun. You're a turret who maintains a mechanic/bases your rotation around chaining nukes off
RDM is boring and braindead but sought after for its utility
MNK is pretty easy but boring

>>388686643
Halonic Ostiary's Helm, been wearing it for a while cause the horns are cool and DRG has very few full helms.

>>388686845
Jesus christ I need sleep. BRD takes some amount of brainpower to play and obviously I didn't mean to call MNK a caster. What I meant to put there was SMN which is a colossal mess of a job due to it sharing ACN with SCH

>>388686661
ok they aren't the problem
the dicksucking fanbase is

thanks for your cooperation

>>388686812
>Covered head to toe in armor
>Gay
What

>>388686843
>>388686941
You say they should add new content. They deliver with Diadem, Lords of Verminion, Gold Saucer, and Palace of the Dead. But then you're going to go on and say those content are bad. So what should be good content? Elaborate.

>>388686251
left. what the fuck is this bib shit. get the fucking handkerchief out of your neck

>>388686571
Like WHAT
I could say that can add chocobo dungeon minigames or defense-based instances where mobs come to you and those are ideas, what you gave are just statements of fact
Don't get me wrong, I agree that new things should be added but you need to give some examples.

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>clear Savage
>nothing to do but dailies and weeklies now
I hate how the game seems to punish you for being diligent. If you're too far into content there's literally nothing you can do besides level alts you won't use or try to make gil that can't really be used for anything useful.
Subbed to WoW for the first time, and my MMO love is rekindled. There's a shitload for me to catch up on, and despite there having been content draughts in the past, the game's at the point now where it'll take months to catch up without jewing out for boost potions. Back to comfortable leveling that actually feels like progression. Also the claustrophobic areas in XIV are a pet peeve of mine, so I love the world here.
That being said, play what you like, I'm in no position to say which game is better, but after playing XIV so much and getting burned out, feeling like I'm making meaningful progression again is refreshing

>>388672296
Because it's the most casual-friendly 'M'MO in the market.
It took WoW's formula of casualising the genre and took a step further, removing any possible player threats and allowing only 'controlled' content.

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>>388687063
>being this assblasted after a comment

>>388687102
>you need to give some examples.
why? Is not my work to create new content. That's their job and really bad a t it

>>388686812
Those are just straight up tits, dude. What kind of advanced heteroerotic faggotry do you subscribe to?

>>388687218
Okay so you have nothing to contribute. That's why the devs ignore feedback from Americans and yuropoors and only listen to Japanese players.

>>388687218
>i cant into proper feedback
keked

>>388687340
>he thinks the devs care about feedback
kek

WHEN IS 4.1?

>>388687318
Right it's their job. And part of their job of making content is receiving feedback from players. If you can't even elaborate your feedback then the devs will listen to people who will AKA Japanese players.

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Holy shit I think I triggered this guy.

>>388687318
Then as a player, tell them exactly what you want. 'I want side content where I command my company chocobo, based on my overworld companion, to go through procedurally produced dungeons' is infinitely more useful than 'I want new content'. When you say that, they just think you want more 4man dungeons because that's technically new content.

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>>388684356

>>388687432
october

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>will never get good parses because the tank can't stop lagging, dying, turning the boss and getting people killed

>>388687496
>SJWeeb criticizing anybody else's taste in anime
These are the people who still use crunchyroll in the year of our lord.

>>388685310
You should be having grit on all the time when you tank. You should only turn it off if you wanna squeeze out some damage with blood weapon.
Blood price is pretty much a joke now since the MP restore nerf.
Syphon strike with grit on should give you enough MP for a dark arts. You shouldnt even be running out of MP when you have grit on.

>>388687606
jesus fucking christ. looks like I won't need to sub for another month, and I haven't even logged in for like 3 weeks.

When melding grade VI materia, is it all right if you go 4-5 over the cap or would you be better off just getting those extra 4-5 points from another stat?

FFXIV > Your favorite MMO

>>388687710
FFXIV > FFXIV?

>people tell me balmung has extreme queues
>I had to wait for a queue once in the 180+ hours i've played so far

What the fuck are you people smoking?

>>388687496
Did he get mad from sloppy memes?

What are the best melds for SMN/SCH and MCH?

Anyone have some tips for a new healer? Usually don't heal but decided to pick up ast, so any help would be appreciated. Not too high leveled right now though

>>388687681
there wont really be a good reason to sub for 4.1, you're gonna be doing the same shit over and over again

as always

>>388687783
Heal
If you don't need to heal, DPS
That's it
If no one dies, you did it

>>388672296
Because FFXIV is literally better than WoW and every other MMO right now. It screams volumes when GW2 devs and even WoW devs are copying FFXIVs new stuff

>>388687783

If you picked Scholar, reroll

>>388685310
>>388687662

It's really weird how they made Blood Price borderline useless until level 66.

But on those big pulls, those 15 seconds of just alternating between Dark Art Abyssal Drain and Dark Art Quietus are great.

>>388687814
yeah but at least I'll be able to snake a small house in lav beds when all of the weebs flock to shirogane, I enjoy the primal fights and I've been looking forward to ex shinryu, it's the raiding and weekly loot gating that is a problem for me.

>>388687814
Just do what any smart person would do. Sub for 4.0, beat everything, unsub until 4.4 or 4.5. You'll have tons of stuff to do then. But most people can't wait that long because they're MMO addicts that need their drug fix.

>>388687814
>there wont really be a good reason to sub for 4.1
Other than doing the new content?
Still, I'll probably wait for 4.2, savage raids are my favorite part of the game

>>388688076
more they can't unsub for more than 45 days or their house will be resumed.

>>388687890
Ironic considering XIV has been stealing from WoW since 1.0

>>388688110
>new content
elaborate

>>388687662
Isnt dropping 20% damage huge compared to any gains made with slightly more mana on your combo for more dark arts?

Question for tanks, do you still just meld +40 direct hit to the left side?

>>388688131
So transfer ownership to a trusted friend that subs often while you unsub

I found the game most fun just RPing and talking to people and doing random things.

Raiding is just a weekly chore you gotta do before I felt like I could enjoy myself. Getting gear is nice, but I'm really surprised people wanted to do it again outside of a weekly clear. (ie sales, speedruns, shit like that)

Then again, I have other games to play and stuff so maybe that's why.

>>388688013
It's still useless then. You're better off using Blood Weapon with Quietus for some sick MP gains.

>>388685310
Grit is your tankstance, Darkside should always be active
Read your damn tooltips.

>>388688141
>HURRRR new content isn't new because it's not a completely different game

>>388687063

Alright here's a few suggestions.

1) Make shit like rare furniture, minions, glamours STAY RARE. Don't just drop that shit into piss-easy farmable content that level 15 fuckers can spam through (Looking at PotD here, more like palace of the dead fucking glamours market). Why the FUCK did they add so many rare as fuck glamours and minions in there? For fucks sake it was already good for the EXP.

Second, as far as new content? More engaging games in the Gold saucer, maybe. And how about high scores? Put some generic 2-d sidescrolling shooter in there and make it so that you have to get a score above 100k or shit in order to get this super rare title/mount/weapon/glamour/furniture piece. Fucking anything as long as it's not going to be obtainable some other way.

I'm not going to suggest any 'horizontal progression' because clearly that ship sailed a fucking decade ago, so I think the biggest thing they need to work on it itemization. Don't make things so fucking easy to get.

PotD I think was a good idea overall, despite killing a lot of reasons to farm old content (Dungeons/treasure maps for minions, etc) but at least it still has something exclusive - the higher floors and that nightmare mount. Hell I like the gold saucer for the most part, too; hence why I suggest a bit of expansion on the minigames.

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>>388687710
>there are Final Fantasy fans that will never touch FFXIV because it's an MMO

>>388686916
Thanks. Looking at the other classes, Dark Knight looks fun but can't stand the fact they made it a tank.

>>388688163

Blood Weapon generates more MP and Blood Gauge than Blood Price against a single target. Also a few more auto-attacks, I guess.

>>388688285
i feel you dude
but the content in ffxiv is USUALLY fun to do
doing prog and then hop onto some omega clear parties to help out struggling people is the main reason i play this game

>>388686287
if you play any DPS class enjoy 30-45 minute queues to literally anything
just be a tank

>no built in parser
>no addon support
>can't kick players based on performance without violating ToS

There's a lot that I liked about FFXIV, but after dumping 2 years into it, and doing the extra grinds for silly shit and relic weapons, the endgame scene becomes too frustrating because the game is so focused on not being endgame focused.

On top of that, there were things that made no sense throughout ARR and HW. The tomestone cap makes no sense combined with the job system. The tomestone caps undermines the idea of mastering all jobs on one character rather than having a separate character for each gear set (tank characater, heal character, DPS characters). The more I thought about it, the more ridiculous it all seemed; and that job class feature was the whole reason I wanted to bother with FFXIV at all; because I fucking hate leveling alts.

I'm still waiting for them to develop the individual classes some more so that every player of a single class isn't exactly the same. There's plenty of room in FF job lore to throw specializations at the existing main jobs; like a WHM or BLM that can specialize into Time Mage or Blue Mage for some extra shit. The game needed to delve into the idea of sub jobs rather than just dressing up job requirements as "sub jobs".

I got sick of it. Sometimes I feel like I want to play it again, but then I remember why I stopped playing by the time the game finishes updating.

>just unlocked AST
>want to level and learn the class since it seems pretty dope and the particle effects are sick
>literally every dungeon syncs me down to the point where I only have two buttons to press

FFXIV should have horizontal progression, it's objectively better than the current vertical progression.

>>388688341
>Put some generic 2-d sidescrolling shooter in there
Why wouldn't you just take a brake from FFXIV and play a real 2D sidescrolling shooter?

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>leveling mch
>low level roulette'
>any dungeon lower than 30

Holy shit kill me. They just have 2 abilities to do dps. What the fuck were they thinking?

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>why is it successful
because you can be a furry

>>388688672
>tfw when no roes bro to do that to me

why live

>>388688529
This was the worst for leveling roulette. For a game that's not endgame focused, not a single class is playable until level 50. They need to revamp when players acquire skills as they level and change it to a front loaded curve.

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>>388688651
>Playing RDM in low level dungeons
>Your melee combo isisnt even complete untill 50
>On lower levels all you can do is spam jolt and thunder

>>388688523
The tomestone cap is so people don't gear up too fast and then PF NEETs start demanding higher ilvl for fights than intended and then it becomes norm. It would lead to people quitting the game faster from PF frustration or already having BiS because they played 16 hours a day for a week.

What they should do is make the tomestone cap apply to per roles. So if you cap on DRK, you can switch to WHM and continue to progress. It would also. encourage people to level more roles than just maining 1 thing.

>>388688582

Because a real 2-d sidescrolling shooter wouldn't get me a trophy to put in my home on ffxiv or get me more MGP for chocobo racing boosts. Also, I've already played a lot of them to death and find more simplistic 2-d shooters kinda relaxing.

>>388688410
Just in case it was fun at one point, Stormblood pruned half of its abilities to make sure it isn't fun

>>388688968
They already double up with a tomestone cap and a token item for the weapons; but the main feature of the game is to switch jobs on the fly to fulfill a spot in a group. The tomestone cap directly contradicts this idea by limiting players into a single role for personal progression through the game. The savage lockouts are enough, the tomestone gear doesn't need to be throttled.

Real endgame is dungeon speedruns.

>>388689162
You could always wait for odd number patches where they shit out gear for you for alt jobs. Also it's not like the current raid tier is heavily dependant on gear. You can already beat Savage with a mix of crafted gear and expert roulette gear. Hell O4S can be done with 7 people instead of 8. People who need bis gear and minmax to clear usually mean they're terrible at actually playing and need gear to make up for their sloppy rotation or mistakes executing mechanics.

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>>388688895
>Still manage to do an ass ton of damage

>>388688895

>Still makes you unGodly overpowered compared to most any other class

>>388689450
My problem with it isn't even about the numbers, it's about the system itself. It undermines itself, which, for me, makes the game feel sloppy or rushed. It's inelegant.

>just want to grind dungeons on my DPS
>20-30 minute queues
>shit exp on top of that
b-back to potd i guess

>>388689763
Why are you playing a MMO solo. You have hundreds of people in Novice Network to party with if you weren't antisocial or playing on a dead server like mateus.

>>388689704
I can understand that but it's really not a big deal considering that you never need the best gear ever or even cap tome/savage gear to clear the hardest content since crafted and dungeon gear is enough.

>>388689763
PVP. Also, you're not queueing for enough dungeons. You should queue for at least 3 of the highest level leveling dungeons you've got, not just the one.

>>388672296
it's the only MMO besides WoW that doesn't feel like a ghost town.

>>388687890
I have no dog in this argument, but what is WoW stealing from FF14?

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>XIV combat will never be this good

>>388690163
>you're supposed to queue for the highest level dungeon
>I've just been spamming leveling roulette the entire time
just fucking end my life

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>>388690868

>>388684515
Post more Spencer.

>>388690825
Get this floaty garbage out of here.

>>388690825
>picked the worst Dissidia to make a point
lmao

>>388690774
WoW copied FATEs to grind a artifact/relic weapon.
WoW copied the head snap feature from FFXIV when you target people
WoW copied FFXIVs instanced in-game cutscenes for quests

>>388691598
>WoW copied the head snap feature from FFXIV when you target people
EQ2 did that first

>WoW copied FFXIVs instanced in-game cutscenes for quests
Some chink MMOs did that first. Can't recall which offhand as I played a lot.

>>388691598
Would be damning, but I could sit here all night typing up things XIV stole from WoW.

WoW or XIV?

>>388683541
At least you can get it next week with datalog drops, eh? Which you won't need to spend on a weapon anyway.

>>388691847
note how WoW only recently implemented these features when FFXIV starting doing it.

>>388685812
Can you co-own an apartment with your EB?

>>388691946
XIV has a better future than WoW

>>388688179
I do, for both sides. Fuck Str melding. I will never use Str shit just to spite the old Str Meta from 2.x.

Why the fuck they changed it from Vit = Tank Damage in HW where it WORKED is beyond me.

>>388691946
WoW if you care about having a world to explore and difficult content.
XIV if you care about a smaller, more deliberate world and difficult class optimization.
Try both, they both have very generous free trials.

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>/v/ said NIN is fun
>it's just 1-2-3 combo crap with a mudra every 20 seconds

>>388692237
Every class in the game is 1-2-3 with some shit to do every 20 seconds.

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>>388691973
>>388691598

>>388692335
Wow, WoW really can't make anything original

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>>388692323
>Play AST
>It's a 1-2 class

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>>388692335
holy fucking lol

>>388691847
SWG had it before EQ2.

>>388692323
BLM is 1 1 1 2 3 3 3 3

>>388692235
>WoW
>Difficult Content
Nigga please, they hold your hand even more than XIV does up until Royal Menagerie where they basically force everyone to fight a raid boss to finish the story

WoW is NOT what it used to be; WoW is NOT what made it good originally. WoW is only still around because stockholme syndrome, people invested years into their chars and can't abandon them, no matter how simplistic they make the game. To be fair, WoW still does Cinematics well, but that's about it.

FFXIV isn't some deep MMO either, but it has more to do "on the journey" while having the standard endgame of raiding shit and they pay real attention to little details if you actually pay attention and not just rush to the end and wonder "wtf that was it?"

Story's good too after lv30-40 and you stop having to go back to the fucking scion base in thanalan over and over again

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SCH, SMN, MCH players, get in

>>388692710
I automatically commend lewd cats and lizards in slut glam

>>388692710
>comming giraffes
>ever
Not that I look at the race when comming. I usually comm a tank or healer if shit didn't go south cuz of them, a DRG if they manage to not die and do something noticably useful, a BRD if they do regen songs without being asked, or a RDM if they help heal/rez.

>>388685138
If you're at the point where you start to run out of your free crystals, you should be thinking about profiting off of crafting. At that point, crystal prices shouldn't be an issue

>>388692710
where do mid/highlanders and roes fall in this list

Do I roll as a female lala or female highlander? It's a dilemma of cute or sexy

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>>388692710
I can't remember the last time I saw an elf player that wasn't hot garbage at this game though.

>>388692925
Lalas are love, Lalas are life.

>>388688895

If Yoshi doesn't have all unlocked abilities available in earlier dungeons for the next expac or a previous patch I'm going to be disappointed. Just do that, up the health or damage of mobs and people will actually be willing to run lower level content.

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>>388692893
indifference

>>388690868
Damn dude did you not know you can pick which dungeons to queue into?

>>388692776
>tfw had a very good MCH player in an early Bardam run but the SCH and NIN slowed it down due to being shit
SCH had that fucking 210 anima weapon, the NIN didn't know what Death Blossom was because the fuck wasn't aoeing, and used Doton on the first boss because he's an idiot.

>>388692925
Always go for cute, and stick with cute. None of that "lewd cute ^-^" shit either.

>Log in
>Do expert
>It's not raidnight
>Log off
I can't find the fun anymore.

>>388692335
ayo what the fuck

>that feel when I want to quit WoW and go back to XIV but my IRL friends will be upset with me ditching them

>>388692776
R-rude

>>388692681
Neither is more difficult than the other, the difficulty lies in different places. The mechanics of mythic raids in WoW are much more complex and difficult to learn, but actually playing your class and maxing DPS is fairly easy. XIV classes have difficult rotations that take a very long time to master, and require constant adjustment depending on the fight. In contrast, raid mechanics are very simple.

There is a balance here. You may have burnt out on WoW, and it is of course a very different game, but that doesn't mean it's without its merits just because you grew out of it.

>>388690868
>>388693037
You can choose your dungeon but that shit scales based on your level if you do roulette, so it doesn't really matter exp-wise. They do it that way to encourage roulette-spam so low lvl players always have a queue to get shit done.

>>388693071
>>388672735

>>388692335
Spoilers, Illidan kills this character.

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>>388692925
>>388692983
lala

XIV is shit. Quitting for Black Desert Online.

the only sub-based MMORPG that doesn't punish you for having a life outside of it

>>388692839
well i can't profit without crystals
im at all 70 crafts m8 i have 4m but fuck im tryin to make it to a mansion in time

>>388693278
>black dogshit online

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>>388693278

>>388693140
>XIV raid mechanics are very simple
Have you seen Omega Savage? The video guides for that shit are as long or longer than the Normal mode, and that's after OMITTING all the basic mechanics that haven't changed. Exdeath is an entirely new fight too. That shit is intense mechanically.

Now if we're talking 24man Raids instead of Savage content, then yes, it's rather average, but those are literally equal to LFR raids in WoW.

Frankly though, the hardest part of raiding is getting 7 to 23 other dumbasses to stop being dumbasses long enough to kill shit.

You're not entirely wrong, but I think you're giving Mythic raids too much credit mechanic-wise.

>>388693306
Aetherial Reduction. Just do barebones shit (3/8 to 5/8) and you get clusters when doing it.

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>>388693281
>monthly subscription
>encourages endgame play to be a half hour of dailies every day and logging off
>"thanks square enix"

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>>388692624
blm is
ctrl 1 > 1 > 2 > 2 > 2 > 3 > 2 > 2 > 2

>>388693278
BDO is boring as fuck. You might as well play Second Life, they have the same amount of gameplay/combat available. Though BDO waifus are nice

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>>388692710

>leveling BLM on the side, suffering through until level ~40 when the job gets bearable at least the AOE's are always breddy gud
>queue into level 20 something dungeon, Conjurer doesn't cast protect
>okay whatever
>tank either constantly baby pulls, or decides half-way through a baby pull that he wants to put on his big boy pants and runs off towards another mob group
>mild annoyance
>tank forgets where his cooldowns are and we all die
>look at conjurer's gear as we're respawning
>his gear is all around level 50
>"why the fuck don't you have a job stone?"
>"what's that?"
>abandon as fast as possible
Holy fuck leveling roulette is suffering, spamming PotD until I hit 50 seems a lot more bearable compared to some of this.

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>and considering we're hitting around 1.5mil unique visitors a month, I'd say it's just about that time again.
>1.5mil unique visitors a month
Bullshit.

>>388693527
>He doesn't mention that those races go extinct long after Humans do
If anything, they'd go extinct on that planet at least. We're like roaches and hard as fuck to kill off and would probably spread like a plague to the rest of the galaxy and abandon earth.

>>388693424
what does any of that have to do with what he said, FFXIV is the only MMO on the market that doesn't people in PVE or PVP for taking a break

>>388693278
Black Desert Online sucks. Quitting for Maplestory 1.

>>388693596
punish people in PVE or PVP for taking a break*

>that person that stands in the same spot all day every day and literally never moves from the moment they log on
>they never go afk either

what the fuck do they do
why do they even play

>>388693660
MapleStory looked all kinds of fun. Damn shame they don't have a sane control scheme and you can't rebind that shit. EVERYTHING ELSE is rebindable, but not movement keys. It's fucking stupid.

>>388686794
Quick Oath gain if they're MT and a shorter rotation within Requiescat means less mechanics interrupting you than if you start with FoF

I just subbed to wow after building my first rig. I was falling asleep in the dungeon on ps4 so idk if I'll go back. But I love the final fantasy universe so maybe later when there is free game time.

You can tell FFXIV is popular by how fast the /vg/ general moves compared to BDO, Tera or GW2 general.

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Hold strong Roe bros and sisters. We may be unloved and the least popular race choice, but..but we still have each other!

>>388693886
kill yourself

>>388693680
I just stand under a tree unless I have to go somewhere that's not roulettes

>>388690124
Why would I play a game that's this unrelentingly dumb? It needs a tighten up a lot of things, or anyone playing for longer than a year is going to stop out of frustration.

>>388692925
I don't see a dilemma, it sounds more like sexy or sexy

>keep getting tells from people begging me to join their FC when im in the middle of nowhere
how do they even get my name

>>388693419
I've cleared Omega Savage, I can break down Neo Exdeath for you.
>mitigate fuckhuge hit and DoT
>bait AoEs then spread
>get in the middle so the hysteria doesn't walk you off the edge
>line up properly for allagan field
>go to the color opposite of your debuff
>mitigate big hit with invuln/tank stack
>avoid pools that creep towards different directions
>do Delta mechanic properly, varies by role, but there's only ever two possibilities of where you have to go and stand
>have tanks bait earthshaker cones
>do Omega, the one somewhat complex mechanic in the fight
>repeat once
>clear, or wipe to enrage
I'm almost certainly forgetting things here but it's off the top of my head, and my point is that none of this is nearly as difficult as you make it out to be, especially when you practice it for a few nights with a diligent group.

Took me 4 weeks to find a group that could clear O3S (even joined a static once but they couldn't do it either after 3 weeks of practice), I want to O4S but goddamn I need to find a good static first.

>>388693954
t. mad tera player

>>388693842
He said Pulling with Holy Spirit though, which means the PLD dun fucked up without Req'ing first, I assume.

Shield Lob > Req > Holy Spirit Spam is tolerable, but you'd want to do at least one Halone combo before Holy Spirit spam then swap to the Royal Auth combo.

I've started to experiment with it myself and it works okay, though I still prefer to do 2 Halones before switching to anything else to ensure I keep my threat far enough above good SAM/BLMs that I don't have to worry

>>388693886
The /vg/ threads consist of 5 people doing nothing but avatarfagging until the thread reaches image limit. Sad thing is, they represent the majority of the playerbase.

>>388694008
Player Search.

>>388693543

>Queue for leveling as WAR
>Get Haukke manor
>See a BLM and a PUG. Well, PUG will be near useless, but at least the BLM wil-
>BLM casts sleep
>Thunder IIs every enemy
>And no, doesn't let the DoT tick away. Thunders them, and keeps reapplying it at like 12 seconds left
>No Fires, not even blizzard
>Sleep and thunders
>WHM of course doing no damage despite everything tickling me
>Check ACT
>I'm 45% of party damage

Fuck that.

>>388693680
Likely they are just there either chatting with their friends, their FC or their linkshells.

>>388694021
All of this sounds harder than most WoW fights.

>>388693987
the only thing that needs to tighten up is your boypussy

>>388693886
>FFXIV General
It only moves fast because they're all avatarfagging and shittalking and ERPing, nothing actually game-related

Then again I've looked into the Tera, GW2, and BDO generals too and they're not that far behind, but /XIVG/ is still somehow worse.

>>388692114
Because of the new weakness system.

>>388693680
Are you referring to that cat in Limsa on Leviathan?

>>388694043
then why does the FFXIV general have way more unique posters than the other MMO generals according to the 4chan extension. if it really aws the same 5 people avatarfagging then the unique post counter would not be 100+ people.

>>388690825
Literally no one wants this

>>388694109
Wasn't O4s cleared in less than a day? I'm pretty sure Mythic KT took around 800 attempts even with all the PTR practice

>>388694008
You should try joining one.

I got a random invite like a week after i started playing from the second largest FC on my server, I decided to join and it's been a great experience ever since. Nice people, newbies and vets alike, friendly chatting and people helping with duties or farming, and because I've been with them for so long I actually have a position of some importance in the FC, just by being a member for a couple of months and not having to suck up to anyone (also because I reached level 50 CRP so I got airship privileges)

>>388694186
what if I told you that the majority of FFXIVs general posters are actual women

>>388694280
Mythic KT was extremely overtuned and had bugs during the fight that made clearing it impossible.