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>2D art looks better than its 3D counterpart Every time.

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>2D art looks better than its 3D counterpart

Every time. Is there ever an instance in vidya when this isn't true?
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>>388617315
Are you blind
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Capcom sucks at making 3D models
They are western dev tier
see some beautiful KoeiTecmo characters
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>>388617315
>2d
You can draw it any way you want without a care of how it looks like in any angle
>3d
any change you make to one angle drastically changes how it looks in another angle
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>>388617315
Your pic is a good example. That drawing is pretty weird looking. Her eyes are way too low and far apart, and that hand is doing some awkward stuff as well, particularly the index finger.
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>>388617315

2d is always better you dumb newfag
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>>388617937
It's also worth noting that very few artists use 3D modeling as their primary medium compared to drawing or painting medium. Most people that 3D model do it as supplement to their drawing and painting.
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>>388618525
No surprise there. 3D is anti-fun.
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>>388617315
>Is there ever an instance in vidya when this isn't true?
Yeah.
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>>388619596
Was gonna post this, Guilty Gear is the pinnacle of 3d and the new Dragonball game will be following soon after
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>>388617315
This exact instance in your post.
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CC2's games look better than 2D most of the time.
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>>388617315
Generally speaking 2d is better because of what>>388617937 said, but your pic shows the opposite happening
That drawing kinda sucks
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>>388617315
>first you fags bitch about the SV5 art sucking dick
>now it's better
Fuck off you stupid retards.
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I think she actually might be the first SFV girl that actually looks somewhat decent. The 2D art in your image is terrible, but still above the other monstrosities that the story mode brought to light.
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>3D is indistinguishable from 2D
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>>388617315
but the 3D looks better than the drawing
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>>388620123

I haven't been this impressed with a fighting game's visuals since Third Strike. There is so much detail in the animations. Like how some attacks kick up a trail of dust from the ground and how firing beams will leave a smoke trail after the beams is completed. It looks so fucking good. 3D that looks better than the actual show.
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>>388619596
>2D is 3D

Those Arc System boys deserve more props for this, they somersaulted and did several flips straight over the "3D game but wants to look like anime" uncanny valley.
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>>388619596
>>388620123
>>388622101
Arc sys's cel shading is some next level shit but I wish they didn't intentionally render the animations out at lower framerates.

It'd look even nicer if the animation was fully slick and fluid.
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is she out yet in EU?
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>>388623152
Problem is they have to pose every frame manually to mimic 2d animation. They can't just interpolate between keyframes.
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>>388623458
But they animated them like Arksys
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>>388617315
Yes, Dragonball Super looks like absolute flash tier shit while the new game has superb 2d-like 3d graphics.
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>>388623458
It would probably be doable for DBFZ, it's a lot less extreme than Xrd and characters mostly stay on model. You don't really see anything like pic related for instance.
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>>388623152

If it was smoother it would break the 2d illusion though, but I understand your desire for smooth animations.
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op is asshurt for not getting bigeyed weebshit into the game

so nothing of value was lost
go choke on a nugget
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You can say what you want about some of the idle animations in some pokemon, but most Gen 5 pokemon benefitted from the jump to 3D.
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>>388617315
>purple lime cat
>looking good, ever
That shit wouldn't even be tolerated by skullgirls. It really take the complete Stockholm syndrome and brand worship of the last bastion of capcom customers to defend that Deviant art garbage.
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>>388623152
>I wish they didn't intentionally render the animations out at lower framerates.
even if it was 20fps I reckon it would look a lot better, without destroying the style it comes from
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>>388623458
>They can't just interpolate between keyframes.

Yes, they can, 3d software due to how it works automatically interpolates every keyframe for you, they just intentionally disable it.

>>388624509
I don't think it would break it at all.

Cyberconnect 2 has full fluid animation for their stuff and it looks great
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>>388624826
>purple lime
wait what
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3d is pig disgusting
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>posts an image that proves him wrong
Good job, OP.
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>>388624943
>Yes, they can
He's not saying they can't technically, he's saying the aggressive squashing/stretching/smearing in Xrd's art style would make it look bad if they did without reworking things.
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>>388625420
as an animator I never understood how this shit works
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>>388625632
Have you watched the GDC talk they did? iirc they're separate objects clipping into the character mesh.
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>>388620852
>Webm loops
>Don't realize it at first
>Thought the frog was about to stab himself in the head to kill naruto
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>>388625816
I meant in the pic
I still dont understand how to make that shit look right
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>>388625952

Watch the GDC talk, they explain how they did that.
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>>388617315
Subjectively speaking there are just a handful of fighting games that look better on 3D compared to sprites, Guilty Gear for example, just bought KoF13 and everything looks 10x better than USF4 for example.
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>>388626107
>usf4
i agree with you, but really, sf4 always looked bad
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I actually agree with OP.
Somethine about Menat's model seems off to me.
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>>388623152
Arcsys's 2D sprites were always kinda choppily animated too so it makes for a more comfortable transition for GG players.
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>>388625952
You mean stretching and speed blurs? Did you never learn 2D animation or something?
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>>388626186
i don't know that much, started playing fighting games seriously this year, and bought USF4 and KoF 13 last week, so far SNK has the best looking ones, 3rd Strike also looked great, but somehow not as good as 2nd Impact.
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7 hours until Menat

How are you dealing with the wait, bros?
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>>388627953
ken r u ok
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SHHHH...SHE'S WAKING UP
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>>388617315
>actually looks interesting
>don't want to spend any more money on sfv or grind online matches forever
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>>388628810
Have you done the characters challenges ? It gives 5000 FM each
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>>388620852
Fuck, gonna have to download the first game now that its on Steam. I was fucking stupefied on how amazing and vibrant this game looked when it was first announced, jumping from the Ultimate Ninja art style to something like left me amazed
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>>388627953
lmao

requesting more fucked up SFV character models
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>>388628787
She looks 10 years old here thanks to the art style. Has Capcom confirmed her age yet? Or is it going to stay obscure so SJWs don't throw a fit about sexualizing a fictional teenager?
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>>388629553
I don't if they've confirmed, but my guess is they won't
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>>388621043
It's almost like it looks better some times than others
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>>388629710
*don't know if they'll
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>>388629553
>western games so cucked they can't even sexualize fighting games anymore
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>>388625952
Wave your hand in front of your face.
Notice how it kind of blurs out and you can see fingers at both ends of the arc?

You're basically just drawing that illusion as a single frame.
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>>388625632
>>388625816
>>388625952
>>388626027
>>388626387
It's a long time used animation technique called smears which go along with squash and stretch
http://idearocketanimation.com/8857-animation-techniques-smear/

They're used to help create smooth and fluid high speed animations by exaggerating the frames in both 2d and 3d animations

If you want another example other than Xrd, just look at Overwatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvO0wPMQsFs
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2d is smoke and mirrors. 3d is much harder to fool the brain, and is usually closer to uncanny valley
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>>388625632
>>388625952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E

here's the talk, it's good regardless
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>>388623152
>I wish they didn't intentionally render the animations out at lower framerates
Not really look at this >>388630629 he shows the difference the framerate they use makes side by side near the end and the lowered one looks better
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>>388617937
exactly this
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>>388617315
Does the 2D art show off her delicious navel?
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>>388628787
Why does she look so different? She's flat as a board in this picture
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>>388631261
Bengus + Capcom
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>>388631261
I agree she looks too big in game, we need a flat chest character
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>>388631286
>Bengus
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>>388631347
Bongus?
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>>388631347
What the fuck is this anatomy
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>>388631347
Seriously, what happened to him? I get he was rushed to pump that shit out, but HOW do you do something that bad?
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>>388631415
She's Brazilian, idiot.

She's clearly had work done to her body to increase her ass, hips and tits which is topical for Spanish girls.

You'd know that if you were more cultured.
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>>388631505
/pol/ fags can fuck off she's a tanned Egyptian with white features she's not a KANG
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>>388631505
There's nothing wrong with some delicious brown, I just wish she was as flat as she was in her art, but then capcom might offend all those people who don't play fighting games that they're trying to cater to

also dusky dravidian best
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>>388631770
I agree, she's a delicious chocolate
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>>388631505
I have literally not seen anyone call her a shitskin
most people are fawning over her being delicious brown
Do neofag posters get some sort of pleasure out of straight up lying?
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>>388631760
/pol/ is the most easily triggered group of man children though, anything that isn't bleach white makes them piss themselves as they reeeee and fap to their cuck porn to calm down
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>>388628810
If you are on PC jsut get a trainer for infinity HP and beat a few hard and hardest survivals.
May take 2 hours thou.
You cant abuse 1 hit kill you have to beat the hard survival in 20 minutes minimum and hardest in 40 minimum. Any ting over that may make capcom think you are cheating.
I also recommend you do one Hell survival a weak. You can do multiple hard ones in a day.

This i how id did it and i even managed to beat a few legit.

Never got ban or a warning in the past 2 years.

You can also do other SP content like cinematic story mode or challenges or easy and normal survival for FM legit.
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>>388628810
Doing the trials, character tutorials and story modes were enough to get me all but 4 characters. Only got one through playing off and on so far.
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>>388628810
You know that is incredible easy to get 100 000 bikemoney. Even more easy if you havent done any challenge. Or story mode.
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>>388629553
What, they can't state the age of a flat girl because it offends someone?

I'm reminded of that whole "No breasts under C cup allowed in porn" thing that Australia did.
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>>388631692
I didn't know they also removed all the organs from their torso also
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>>388632147
For a country of shitposting criminals fighting the wilderness every day they sure are a bunch of pussies when it comes to censorship
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>>388623958
>You don't really see anything like pic related for instance
except you do

a lot
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>>388631692
What sort of Brazilian plastic surgery voodoo shrunk her head to half the size it should be
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gib Menat gf
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>>388631505
Where did this person see this? Does Neogaf have the same love/hate relationship 4chan has with them, only instead of 4chan making up situations where they're being SJW and triggered, they make up situations where 4chan is being racist and misogynist so they have a boogieman of their own?
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>>388631528
>legendary artists become terrible as they get older
>legendary composers can't make good songs anymore like they did at their peak
pretty terrifying if you're in the arts
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>>388632508
There was quite a bit of /pol/posting in the reveal threads, actually
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>>388629553
>Has Capcom confirmed her age yet?

Yeah, it was on her profile that they put up this morning

Shes 14
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>>388631692
>Spanish girls
Brazil was colonized by Portugal, they have nothing related with Spanish.
You'd know that if you were more cultured.
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>>388631528
Drawing something good takes a really long time. SFV's art looks like they just cleaned up the lineart of a very rough draft without fixing the drawings themselves.
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>>388632912
http://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/promotion/mnt

Doesn't actually say anything about age, but it's nice to see how the orb works. Seems like the smart thing to do is to keep it with you most of the time because of how much better it makes her normals, though obviously the high tech setups are going to involve sending it away and bringing it back with precise timing.
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>>388632912
Time to fap
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Capcom SF art is dreadful. I thought all the 2D was already lazy and rough. The 3D looks like it was hardly concepted or iterated on, she looks so bad and her animations look bad too. Thirsty fags are muh waifuing her when she's not even sexy or cute during her animations. It's a lot of movement for nothing and it's completely unnecessary. There's so much more potential with the idea.
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>>388633745
>It's a lot of movement for nothing and it's completely unnecessary.
Mind making a few examples? I don't see that.
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>>388617315
you cant model a 3D face with 2D anime eyes

people always have to give them normal eyes or just paste a flat anime face onto the front of a generic head
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>>388623152
Pic related and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0h9WmBlsw

Less frames makes each key frame stand out and have more impact.
That and you need to hit these keyframes quickly (moves already hit in 5 frames) so that it's easy to digest what move is being done and you need to stick in that keyframe long enough as to the information to be able to be processed in the first place.
And finally it looks off for any seasoned GG player as they're used to the keyframes of old games.
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>>388624803
I agree If they put some more character into the idle animations the 3D pokemon games would look a lot nicer. A la Dragon Quest's 3D transition. The battle animations are already pretty good.
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>>388631809
>Being selective in your shades of delicious brown.
>Not having a harem of all types
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>>388617315
Menat doesn't look bad in 3D at all. Also the art for SFV is really bad.

But yeah, GGXrd and soon DBFZ do a better job at it than SFIV/SFV models.
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>>388630436
would like to see the difference between that and not using stupidly cartoony shit
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I think she is cute, my issue is her design dont fit with street fighter. She feels like Rose or ingrid, wich are good designs but odd in the context of a fighting game.
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>>388633964
The animations don't lend themselves to fluidity. I don't think all of these are cancels. Watch in .5 or .75 speed if you don't catch it full speed. The crouching MP I'm guessing. My biggest issue is how unclear the silhouette is moving for most of the special moves I assume, she's doing a move but all her limbs and everything are so close to her body and unclear what she's doing. That's not good for fighting game sprites or models. The summon/ball recall animation bothers me but some of her moves look so much better in concept or different than the rest, like the slide/crouching roundhouse(?) has much more emphasis and action in its animation (guessing it's a crush counter). Simulating cloth physics on the shawl is a massive mistake, Capcom already fucks this with the hair/clipping issues on so many characters, which really muddies up what Menat is doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDs6wqCZs3c#t=24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDs6wqCZs3c#t=38s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDs6wqCZs3c#t=53s (this flip is cammy air throw tier)
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>>388635114
Genzo needs to stop desu
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>>388635231
Fuck you, I love Genzo
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>>388635231
what's wrong with genzo?
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>>388635231
>fanartist needs to stop
>one of the few on udon that make good stuff

baka senpai
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>>388631415
>Caring about anatomy this much.
Can you all just shut the fuck up?
Go back to the art board or whatever the fuck it's called.
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>>388631347
>Bengus
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>>388635370
>>388635458
Menat's cute feet! I want to be kicked in the face by her cute smelly bare feet!
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>>388635828
>smelly
baka, lady Menat washes her feet, what kind of girl do you think she is?
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>>388635114
You only think she's weird because you're not used to her. Dhalsim's lanky ass body doesn't fit in a "fighting" game either but he's in there regardless. Fighting games need more than just tough looking brawler characters to keep things interesting.
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>>388635981
>A poo
>washing her feet
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>>388635736
Yeah I expect art to not look like total garbage sorry that not everyone has such incredibly low standards as yourself
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>>388636259
>Egypt
>poo
pls
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>>388628787
DFC BAREFOOT WAIFU
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>I keep reinstalling SFV eevery time a new character comes out just to drop the game 1 or 2 days later again
I thank god every day for Tekken 7 being good
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>>388636625
Same but for XRD
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>>388636327
Go back to /ic/ and fap to loomis
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>>388626107
ah shut up,

SF4 looked and still looks great. Fireballs still look better than SFV
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>>388633964
Not him but watch her super combo.

Shits stomping around trying to do some idol dance but it looks speed up and terrible and is just her trying to do something g as her balls attack. Should have done something like Rose where she turns her back and stops caring or some shit because her dance is the worst animated shit I've seen in SF in a while. Her normals aren't great either.
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>>388637057


Sounds like you are just a whiny faggot.
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>>388636709
Go back to /trash/ and fap to shadman
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>>388635114
>odd in the context of a fighting game.

What does this even mean?
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>>388636625
>>388636705
I have all of those. And i find my self returning to sfv the most time.
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>>388624803
Nintendo think they slick.....
He dabbin!!!!
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I want to be menat and have illegal underage lesbian sex with mommy chun li
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>>388628810
>don't want to spend any more money
Just have the FAGs fight some more for extra shekels.
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>>388617703
>Capcom sucks at making 3D models
What
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>>388637176
>assblasted
>confirmed /ic/ drawfag

Only /aco/ and /ic/ care about shadman.
Bengus will be eternaly praised while you will be always barking on /ic/ to the work of another more sucessful artists.
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>>388617315
Hi, would it be foolish to buy SF5 just to play as Menat, Akuma, Cammy, Chun-Li, Mika and Ibuki ?

I heard Capcom really screwed up at this game's release date.

Is it worth buying now ?
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>>388637786
SF is full of strong muscular men and worman.
She looks really fragile and her costume is like she was cosplaying some weaboo character, like Rose, she feels out of context.
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>>388630218
But Injustice 2
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>>388639239
Even ignoring that there are plenty of bodyshapes in Street Fighter alone, you said context of a Fighting Game and not just Street Fighter.
Fighting Games, as a genre, have the most varied and diverse character designs in the industry.
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>>388639149
Wait for the next year. Leaks already told us that Capcom will announce Super Street Fighter V with arcade and shit.
By that time, you could get the base game plus S1 (and maybe S2) characters and Arcade for like 40 dls.
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>>388623152
It's as much a functional thing as it is aesthetic.
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>>388635736
If you're going to deform, make it look appealing and not half assed
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>>388639149
if you buy it when its on sale, its a great value. if you buy it now, its ok.
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>>388631505
>neofag came here to find reasons to be offended
>nu-/v/ went to neofag to find a cap of someone being offended
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>>388639431
Ingrid isn't an anime face?
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>>388639412
>Leaks already told us that Capcom will announce Super Street Fighter V with arcade and shit.

What the fuck, really ?

Do you at least have some proof ?

Just googled this:

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/08/super-street-fighter-5-is-in-development-to-be-a-free-update-for-existing-owners-rumour/

Can vg247 be trusted ?
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>>388635370
she looks like she's on fast foward
they should have designed the animation while also keeping in mind how long it's supposed to take.
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>>388631347

ayy lmao
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>>388623152
It's not just the cel-shading, they've developed a technique for animating 3D models that can stretch and contort in weird ways you typically only see in 2D animation without it looking like a broken mess.
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>>388640015
Yeah it's plain to tell that they made the animation and then scaled it to whatever time the designer wanted it to be. The glory of outsourcing.
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>>388617315
But it's the other way around in Menat's case.
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>>388633515
What did they mean by this?
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>>388639431
What did he mean by this?
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SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFF
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>tfw Mistress Menat will never step on your face
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>>388633515
I wonder if those orbs will bounce if they hit the ground and work like Venom from GG
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>>388617315
nope
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>>388639402
When I said "for a fighting game", I mean she dont look as a fighter at all. She looks even more fragile than Sakura or Karin, she enters in Ingrid territory

If you count weeabo fighting games, of course there is a lot of fragile girls/boys on other franchises.
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>>388641471
>even bothering to make this compilation based on a youtube video

c'mon now son

now off to farm battle points to buy queen Menat
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I'll just leave this here
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>>388640994
>>388641471
HANS!
BRING ME THE GAS!
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>>388640994
>>388641471
Anon, please...
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Name one thing that is better in 3D
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>>388641914
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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So is she kinda like Rose?

Also,
>delicious brown skin
>purple, short hair
>visible feet

Hnng
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>>388642105
>Name one thing that is better in 3D
Properly modeled feet
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>>388642105
beat em ups
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>>388642105
Legend of Zelda
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>>388641914
This really is the best costume after all
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>>388617937
tpbp
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>Can log into the game in ofline
>Menat is in the character selcet screen
>Can't user ber because capcom said so
Whatever.
When are the servers up?
>>
3d will always be shit compared to 2d. hell we probably are just now reaching super nintendo quality graphics with 3d
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>>388639149
buy it on sale, logic says Capcom is going the ESPORTS route and that doesn't include locking older players out of the loop because they haven't bought some sort of "expansion" (like Super, AE and Ultra)

wait it to be on sale though as Capcom will be supporting this one for a long time, probably as long as the PS4 lasts
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>>388624803
Now if they only used accurate sizes for anything bigger than a fucking Charizard they'd be perfect.

>mfw Wailord in the Gen 6 and 7 games
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>>388639073
>Only /aco/ and /ic/ care about shadman.
Nigger explain all the shadman pics I got from /v/
>>
The Darkest Dungeon

Okami

Dota 2
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>>388642673
It's part of the franchise.
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>>388640728

B E G O N E
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>>388643352
Ash is strong as fuck consistently. Dude can throw a log across a river and survive getting direct attacks which should kill a person and keep standing.
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>>388620123
You'll never find this attention to the details in a western game.
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>>388643352
Ash "Bitch Breaker" Ketchum
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>>388643535
Why did I read that as the SF IV announcer.
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>>388643352
>>388643686
That's the "medium" weight, not all pokemon are the same weight and size
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>>388639239
Dhalsim, Rufus, Sakura, Rose?
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>>388634984
would like to see you phoneposters die at the end of a hangman's noose
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>>388644394
Dhalsim and Sakura have a lot of muscle definition. Rufus was intended to look funny, but based on how he fights there is a lot of muscle under the blubber. Meanwhile Rose is commonly cited as being awful and ill-fitting.
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>>388617703
the models for Project Justice still look pretty good
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>>388642105
fps
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>>388617703
>Capcom sucks at making 3D models
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>>388631528
most likely he had a bunch of rough drafts and then the production heads came through and told him they were using the drafts for the release
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>>388641914
MUH DICK
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>>388645271
>Rose is commonly cited as being awful and ill-fitting.

Really? I've never heard that. Always liked her design too, especially keeping her style of fighting in mind. Considering she, much like several other designs in Street Fighter, are straight up Jojo references I don't see how she's a poor fit.
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>>388639149
It's always worth buying when on sale. I got the game for 30 bucks and it's been a steal since I've bought everything else with ingame money. Once I run out though I might start paying the $8 per character fee. Or $4 per sexy costume fee if I feel like hating myself
>>
SHES OUT
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>>388641914
Do you have the character pak switcher for Menat? I'd like to grind in training for a sec.
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>>388645970
>Martial artists, soldiers, and generally tough freaks
>Fashion model wearing gaudy clothes that relies purely on her magic instead of it being an extension of her body
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>>388646427
Yes, and?
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>>388641775
>She looks even more fragile than Sakura or Karin, she enters in Ingrid territory

Which is why she uses the orb to fight. Unless you're upset the game uses magic powers, it makes sense that her non muscled body hits as hard as someone like Ryu if she's hitting people with some hard as fuck crystal or magic spirit balls instead of her leg.
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>>388641914
MENAT PLS
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>>388646427
That's a long-established fightan archetype at this point, ¿cuál es el problema?
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>>388642606
3 more hours
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>WHHHHAAAA WHY SHE USES BALLZ
>Ignoring the mothafucka who started it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3qfvyZlug
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>>388646832
SNK is not Street Fighter
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Menat? more like me nut
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>>388627953
Chad af
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>>388647694
https://www.twitch.
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>>388646649
>Which is why she uses the orb to fight. Unless you're upset the game uses magic powers

No, Amakusa is a great character, he uses an orb and looks fragile, but he is threatening, the expresive art make him feels like a fighter, not only because his design is more agresive, but also because it work in the context of the series.

Menat feels like she is cosplaying a fantasy character in street fighter universe. Even Hakan´s wife feels less like a cosplay.
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>>388647648
So?
Are you saying you want nothing but endless Shotos?
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>>388646832

Rose is more weird in design than any outfit of Athena, with the exception of the goddess of SvC Chaos.
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>>388648034
SNK has more shotos.
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>>388648079
Neither are weird at all.
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I would argue that Daisuke's 2d art is better than Xrds 3d models
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>>388648273
That isnt how the ingam looks
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>near Zato levels of negative edge on a Street Fighter character
Woshige please
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>muuuhhhhhh gorilla muscles
I'm not surprised, but I'm still disappointed

>>388646832
KOF13 athena should come back
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>>388648458
quoting the autism in this thread btw
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>>388646832
>kof 12
>becomes a fatass wearing a generic school uniform
bravo
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>>388648173
KOF shotos are more like pokers.
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>>388634159
this is also why games like koihime enbu and from blade arcus have garbage animations.
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>>388648645
>that
>fat
Fucking skeletons when will they learn
School uniform > idol uniform
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>>388617315
But Bengus fucked up in SFV.
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>>388617315
Gee whiz it's almost like there are no limitations with a 2d drawing besides artistic ability. Jesus /v/ is retarded
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>>388635370
>>388640015
>>388640240
if you play this at half speed it looks much better
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>>388649336
https://clips.twitch
.tv/CourteousSwissPancakeRalpherZ
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3 MORE HOURS

M
O
R
E

H
O
U
R
S
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I thought she's out? where are the videos
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>>388649918
the update is out but the servers are down so you can't actually buy her
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>>388649918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-YM1KYtEs
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>>388629553
>Has Capcom confirmed her age yet? Or is it going to stay obscure so SJWs don't throw a fit about sexualizing a fictional teenager?
Stop looking for boogeyman, Schoolgirl Ibuki is in the game and no one complained
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>>388650709
Schoolgirl Ibuki isn't dressed like a hooker
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>>388617315
god this is the stupidest bait I've ever seen
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>Cleopatra styled
>flexible gymnast
>bellydancer

>mfw: https://youtu.be/eZgUhN_sF6E?t=28s
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Is she out yet?
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alright so iam playing menat right now with a 100% safe and i can tell 99% will drop her after the first week
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>>388651669
Her normals suck, she's slow, no reversals but at least has a 3f. I'd be surprised if most people stick with her even for a week. She's not for everyone.
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Holy fucking shit Yuuki Aoi is on point with her voice
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>>388651937
she doesn't flow nearly as well as i hoped she would, tho maybe that is because i am forced to play on a laptop in window mode on lowest settings with vsync to test out the 100% safe rather than on my normal pc. am a bit disappointed with her so far
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>>388652264
You'll never be as comfy as oro
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>>388650938
>Clothes with estereotypical egyptian themes
>Hooker
What kind of places have you been going anon?
The only costume you can have a legitimate complain is >>388652207, anything besides that is just puritanism
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>>388652692
Will Oro emerge from his chrysalis a handsome butterfly?
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>>388652207
She's doing a belly dance, neat
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>>388652692
>oro appearing again in story mode

s3 Oro release confirmed
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>>388652207
cute cute cute CUTE!

>>388652692
Menat stop bugging Oro!
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>>388652853
Some people call it his butterfly
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>>388641914
Can you evade fireballs with that?
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>>388651669
>>388651937

How are you playing her if the servers are down? How'd you buy her?
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>>388653064
Gross.
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wew lad

also now that I take a good look at Story Costume I don't like its face at all. It was already busy and top-heavy thanks to the hood but they had to add a bunch of painted shit to the face as well
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>>388653212
Anna, but with Egyptian clothes instead of Chinese.
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>>388653187
i play her with a 100% safe and a custom steam launcher that was included. i do this on my crappy laptop in offline mode tho (after i updated the game regularily on the laptop online) because i am not sure i can go easily back to my normal safe and normal launcher which is why i am playing with a few slowdowns here and there which makes shit feel awful
>>
>>388653187
Their dad works for Capcom
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>>388651937
>Her normals suck

I thought the ball gave her normals with crazy range? Or are they all just really slow?
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>>388652968
he's been in at least 3, I think it's basically guaranteed
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>>388640728
they mean Toth yeah? If not, that's hilarious.
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A better recent example would be this.
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>>388653803
They mean Thoth and in-game it's correct.
>>
2D always looks better than 3D.
>>
man hopefully the servers go online a bit earlier like they did in the past few downtimes
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>>388653886
can i get him to rape me in the game or not
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One of these people are the real Frank West
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>>388654326
they all look the same though
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>>388617315
2d makes her look like an ayylmao you anime shitter.
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>>388654326
I pick TVC Frank West. He has REAL MEGA BUSTER
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>>388632532
There's plenty of artists and composers that get better with time, and bengus is still fine, for reference he just did this a few months ago and it was fine because it wasn't a rushed out afterthought for something he probably didn't want to work on, and his other recent art is definitely better than his old stuff, he just has to be given time and something he wants to work on
>>
i wonder how she is gonna get played. her normals feel so limited tho i found you can cancel a lot of her stuff into her v skill but it seems unsafe on block .iam not sure. this ones gonna be a lot tougher to figure out
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>>388648273
Daisuke's art is pretty hit or miss.Remember that Bridget portrait in XX?
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>>388635114
why the fuck do so many artists do this chromatic aberration bullshit, it looks terrible
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>>388654492
and that was the wrong image
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>>388654893
speaking of these freelance artists.Is Shinkiro still doing jobs for the big companies?
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>>388654893
Bengus did art for LWA? Shit I didn't know
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>>388656017
Pretty sure it was just some fan art he did for fun
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her normals without the ball are faster btw and st mp is canceable into the vskill without the ball. tho a lot of the combos that worked with the ball dont work without it because the range of the vskill is shorter without it, making it whiff constantly
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>>388624943
I'm pretty sure when they talked about Sign at GDC they mentioned how keeping the animations 60fps made it look like a 3d model so they intentionally made it choppy.
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>>388654893
Why do their wands look like cattle prods?
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>>388642105
3D platformers
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>>388656017
https://twitter.com/LWA_jp/status/817338478073507841

it was just fan art he sent in
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>>388642105
>Name one thing that is better in 3D

Anything that's first person or third person.
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>>388652207
>all that clipping
When will Capcom fucking learn
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>>388631927
>You cant abuse 1 hit kill you have to beat the hard survival in 20 minutes minimum and hardest in 40 minimum

Do they not check individual match times?
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>>388656732
>third person
that's wrong
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>>388656815
never
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>>388657008
Mind showing me some good look third person action or adventure games fully in 2D that looks good and plays well?
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>>388657020
you fucking what
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>that feel when I want to play Menat because I like "Puppet" characters, and think she will have a unique and fun play style.
>that feel when I'll get lumped in with foot fags, waifu fags and retards who will drop her when it turns out she's shit.
k
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>>388656815
Never
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>>388657223
No one cares what character you play you turbo fag.
>>
Menat can only special cancel the overhead into crystal ball recall, nothing else works
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>>388657223
this, I dropped sfv to go back to playing zato in xrd but I'm considering giving the game another chance. Too bad nobody actually discusses this character but I can't blame them.
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>>388657441
overhead > special cancel recall > ca works but does low dmg
>>
this has to be bait
>>
Hows her damage output? Does landing all the V-trigger balls do a good chunk or damage or are they just there to annoy?
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>>388654326
>TvC Frank looks like Niko
>DR4 Frank looks like Micheal
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>>388657787
>>
SERVERS BACK ON
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>>388657106
anything by Vanillaware
Ys I+II
Super Turrican 2
Megaman series

I hope you just had a brain fart when you said "third person" because a LOT of games and classics fall under that description
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>>388657460
>Too bad nobody actually discusses this character but I can't blame them.
probably because nobody can play yet
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>>388658545
>lying on the internet
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>>388617315
2D is better than 3D
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>>388658757
They're up, though.
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>>388631927
How much does each hardest mode give you?
>>
>>388658942
>>388658545
>>388658757
OH GOD SERVERS ARE BACK ON LET'S PLAY MENAT MAN I'M HYPE
>>
>>388658942
OH FUCK HE'S RIGHT
>>
Servers are up, but I can't seem to access Menat yet.
>>
Will SSFV give the game a real user interface? This shit barely qualifies as a draft.
>>
trial 8, 9 and 10 doe, i somehow managed to get 9 but the others whew, the timing seems really really awkward
>>
>>388659738
Maybe. Who knows?
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>>388619596
>the most generic anime trash art style
>good

The cel-shading effect is used well but too bad the actual art is generic weeabo shit. What a waste
>>
>>388619596
>3D looks good because it tried its hardest to replicate 2D
How will 3D ever recover?
>>
>>388657020
whoa.....
so this it the power of...
...modern capcom
whoa...
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Fate/Extra and CCC just due to the face of the female characters. The character artist put bug eyes on all of them for some reason. I can't think of any other instances, though.
>>
WHAT THE FUCK THIS CHARACTER SUCKS I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT ABIGAIL
>>
>>388660583
not sure if you are jesting, but that will be the opinion of most people who got hype the last few days
>>
>>388628787
why is her left arm thiccer than her right
>>
>>388660583
>>388660725

She's actually really unintuitive. I'm hoping her trails give me more insight into what links into what. I thought I could do her upwards v-skill into airgrab but I can't cancel it into anything.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SWozlK_XCA
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>>388660583
People even warned you in this thread. Menat is not for everybody.
>>
>contemplating buying the game right now or waiting for the next sale
>this thread
wew dodged a bullet there
>>
>>388649424
the fabric clipping through her ass gets my boner so much harder, it's like a doa game
>>
>>388660583
She will probably take patience, like Dhalsim, even though this is mainly a rushdown game.
>>
does character select use a different model? it looks 400 times better than ingame
>>
She's the kind of character where everyone will go "oh she's ass", "she's super ass" and then like 2 years down the line this one guy comes along and wins major after major using her and then everyone's like "WTF I had no idea she's so good" kinda like Gen
>>
you can combo soul sphere and recall if you space it correctly
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>trying to do these trials on a pad

wew fuck lad brehs
>>
btw, you wanna use medium soul sphere if you wanna cancel from lights. sadly light soul sphere is not a low hit. i am really wondering about how this char will go...
>>
>>388661974
If the orb is inside the enemy hurtbox and you recall it right away it combos, but the timing is really strict. I feel like there's more damaging setups you can do though.
>>
IS SHE 14 OR NOT??
>>
st lp with the orb links into cr lp with the orb, but only if you are close. this character mang. we are gonna see even more than ed level drops because of stuff like this
>>
>>388662213
Can't access her yet, what button is that long reaching poke from the trailer with the orb and what does it look like when she does it without holding the orb
>>
cr mk combos into mp soul spehere... but only up to a certain distance
>>
>>388662385
yeah
>>
>>388662429
I don't know which ones you mean but all her normals with the orb look the same without, only you lose the reach of the orb. You're either thinking of st.hp or st.hk.
>>
>>388662385
Yep
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>>388662419
Her buttons with the orb are really deceptive and seem hard to punish though. I haven't test it out yet but it seems she can poke from mid screen with hard buttons with almost no fear.

Maybe this character is actually not a rushdown and isn't supposed to have crazy close range combos.
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>>388624803
>attack animations look great
>hardly see them because of LE TEPIG CAMERA MOVEMENTS XD
>idle animations, which you see %150 of the time
>most pokemon just flap their arms a their sides and breathe up and down like they're standing waist deep in molasses
>>
>>388644314
You mean median.
>>
>>388640636
Yakuza art and yakuza models target totally different art style

Models try to be as realistic as possible, art is supposed to give the feel of the character personality
>>
>>388647694
Literally no ass
>>
>>388631927
There is a macro out there that blocks for 10-15 seconds and then starts light punching. That plus 1 hit KO works fine. Though the trainer kept crashing the game every so often for me.
>>
>>388640728
That Persona?
>>
>>388664415
Nope. Despite being a magical Egyptian girl in a Japanese game, she doesn't summon things to fight.
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is she actually to high IQ?
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>>388642105
that lion king game!
>>
>>388665348
Yes, very technical.
>>
>>388617315
it's incredibly true in rainbow six siege
>>
so does her jumping hk send her orb away? seems like it does, cant do jump hk into cr mk into soul sphere because the orb is gone after j hk
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>>388664583
I was talking about a reference to this bastard in question not her summoning it.
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>>388665463
there's a 3D lion king?
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>>388650709
>SJWs
SJWs wouldn't care. DESU only people I've seen cry about her is people crying she looks "too much like a nigger"
>>
all her combos are too hard for too little payoff. It's Juri all over again. Makes sense since they're both footsluts.
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>>388666091
seems like the kind of char where you need to be perfect and at the top of your game. then comes a random ibuki, knocks you down, makes you guess wrong once and its game over
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>>388617315
>only noticeable difference is that the drawing has round, anime eyes
>3d model is somehow inferior
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>>388641775
>I mean she dont look as a fighter at all.
This is absurd nitpicking

Guilty Gear has a character whose bed fights for him while he looks comatose, Fighting games have never cared about their fighters looking the part
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>>388666228
At least unlike Juri she has absurd range on some of her moves. Some fuckups could end up being safe on block or whiff.
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>>388666523
>Goober gear
That is like an analogy about food being different at different restaurants.
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>>388666091
>all her combos are too hard for too little payoff
Yeah, takes too much work for little damage. Also, Juri at least has a reversal. Menat has to block.
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>>388617315
More low tier garbage. Yay.
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>>388631809
manofculture.jpg
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>>388666324
All faces in SFV have shadeless eyes and Colgate teeth and the animations are terrible
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western games are trapped between ultrarealistic and pixel shit. They cannot think outside of those styles, it's the japanese ironically the ones with more resistance to use cel shading that ended doing the most beautiful and aesthetics games with this technique.

What are the best representation of celshading in western games? Borderlands and Tell tale games, lol.
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>>388667525
That doesn't excuse the equally as shitty art.
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>>388624803
>>388642673

Come here you asshole. Switch game will fix this. Believe.
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that negative edge timing is seriously awkward
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>Bengus

What went wrong? he was god tier in the 90s
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>>388660023
Guilty Gear is older than you by at least a year
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What is the most up to date trainer to use with survival mode?
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>Viola was low IQ
>Menat is high IQ and plays nothing the same
About time this autism is put to rest.
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>>388648756
>blade arcus
I fucking hate this game
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>>388668804
He got old
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>>388634984
You ever watch even a little bit of Family Guy or nu-Simpsons or really most new cartoons? Ever notice how horribly stilted it looks? That's why
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So does this bitch have any jab combos or am I fucked when I'm under pressure? What's the point of a 3f move if I can't capitalize on it?
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>>388670920
me too but it's assist system is pretty fun
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>>388671808
Her 3f is st. lk. You can st. lk, cr. lp, st. vskill, super
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>>388623152
>Arc sys's cel shading is some next level shit
>MFW they copyrighted their cel-shading tech

You want your anime games to look good you gotta pay those niggas.
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>>388672453
bullshit you can't copyright a toon shader
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>>388672410
Is there anything else that combos out of her vskill? So far it seems like only super does so if you don't have a full bar that combo isn't very strong.
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>>388672808
Yes, if you place her ball behind the opponent, you can juggle him back to you after vskill by calling the ball back.
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>>388635828
DUDE FEET LMAO
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>>388625420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95o2De8EB8
Nah, they just could've picked a middle ground between them. Either or leaves it too choppy or too smooth.
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>>388672629
>He doesn't believe that game companies copyright engines and other small stuff.

Bandai-Namco copyrighted the little button mashing games that Dragonball games has during loading screens so nobody else but them.
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>>388617315
3D was and always will be shit
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>>388657020
>Abigail is so repulsive even the new girl's projectiles won't touch him
The deepest lore.
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>>388671584
I prefer how it looks for Family Guy now, because it always had lazy isometric animation, but now it's more crisper and cleaner. With the Simpsons it's a complete lost, each frame unique and full of life, backgrounds showing depth, animation techniques.
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>>388656419
For prodding cattle, dumbass.
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>>388631505
I mean he's right. It's fucking pathetic people here cry any time a character is any darker than snow. Same shit as SJWs. Literally the first thread about her when she was announced was retards crying about her being a "nigger"
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>>388617315
>she's bottom tier
Has any S2 DLC character been ANY good and seen play? I guess maybe Akuma if he counts as S2.
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>>388660551
It's jarring if you look at the males they draw how much more normally proportioned they are
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>Negative edge fuckery
And there goes all my hype
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>>388676183
what does negative edge mean?
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>>388676335
release the button to do things
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>>388676335
Releasing buttons instead of pressing them AKA all of what her v-trigger combos are gonna be
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Anyone find a use for EX L+M orb? Seems like L+H is your standard damage dealer and M+H is your anti-air. L+M just brings the opponent close but doesn't seem to have any followups.
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>>388625632
If you don't know how that works, you shouldn't call yourself an animator

That's basic of the basics
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>play 5 games
>lose all of them
>only manage to take a round once
>against another Menat player

Well I wasted my money. Back to Akuma I go.
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Im fucking impressed by her animation set.
Whatever little chinese kid that made her is a good lad.
Her walk circle gives me a boner tho, so i can't play her
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>>388677082
>Well I wasted my money.
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