>You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself

>>388440056

eh

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>>388440056

>You either die a Hero of the Storm™ or live long enough to see yourself become the Lord of Destruction™

>>388440056
>Have a supremely loyal fanbase that will buy anything
>Can still sexualize characters
>Games are still decent, and only Diablo 3 and Modern WoW are legit awful games
>Can write some of the worst characters and stories in gaming and still have people praise you.
>Can get /v/ to shrill your newest IP for 10 months of front page generals
>Still have an astonishing track record despite being so greedy you'd trade your art for a sack of gold
>Can retire at 40 whereas most wage slaves and neets are stuck in 40 years of hell
>Get the honor of inspiring more porn than touhou.
>The only thing you got to worry about is salty bitches and fans posting impotent replies.

I dont know, better to reign in hell and all that philosophical nonsuch.

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>>388440056
Or you live long enough to see this

>>388440538
> my opinion on games is a fact
> i play on vanilla private server btw haHAA

fuck off you nostalgia fag

>>388440893
10 months of Overwatch on /v/'s front page is almost a fact.

>>388440893
My opinion is fact.

>>388440538
>modern wow legit aweful
>i havent played legion at all the post
Legion is by far the best expansion since burning crusade, and has better raids than any other exp[ansion
>inb4 ulduar
ulduar was the only good raid in wotlk, 3/4ths of icc is tank and spank with 1 mechanic for ranged to do

>>388440056
That's a funny way to spell Valve.

>>388441229
It's factually trash. Yes.

>>388441402
Legion is legit awful. Its everything awful about modern mmos with barely a strength to be found.

No challenge in leveling, the zones are all lifeless theme parks and literally every mechanic is geared to be a grindy fucking mess (artifact power, rng legendaries, mythic levels). Also the whole thing is basically a giant single-player game with no polish and decades old gameplay with shitty game feel. Modern WoW legit puts me to sleep and I feel that anyone who enjoys it either has nothing to look forward to in life or is a hamster living inside a virgin's body.

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>>388440056
>Villain
>Release a multiplayer FPS where all the content and updates are totally free

I wish every game company was as villainous as Blizzard.

>>388441963
>zones are all lifeless
>whole thing is single player
>modern wow puts me to sleep
eat shit faggot vanilla is my favorite but the only thing good about vanilla is it forces autismos to interact and even then it does a piss poor job in everything besides 40 man raids.

>>388441884
And factually, all you can do to try to disprove it is sit off in the sidelines going "b-but y-y-you're wrong".

>>388442189
Never brought up vanilla. Dont know why you're doing it.

I thought vanilla was just okay. Nice zones, but that was it to me.

But Legion legit makes wonder why anyone with tastes would not only waste days of their time BUT also would actually pay Blizzard to do it.

I mean fuck, get some balls and a sense of standards you stupid betas.

>>388442217
And you can just sit there saying. "F-Fuck you. I'm... I'm right!"

Nobody on this site respects your opinion that much to give it analysis. lel

>>388441963
(You)

>>388442605
>Nobody on this site respects your opinion

I do. Why do you keep stating fake facts, you stupid shit?

>To give it analysis

Well, the sun produces light. What I say is a fact that's just as provable. You dont have to analyze it to see I'm right. You can stick to mewling in my shadow though. It pleases me.

>>388442057
I'd pay extra if they actually balanced the game.

>>388442934
Your asperger's is sending you into a rage over trivial shit again. You should take a time out.

>>388443197
Keep going

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>>388440056
They made Warcraft 3, they have a lifetime exemption.

>>388440056
I've spent 900$ on WoW and loved every moment of it.

>>388440056
Pretty mild villains. Even if their games aren't great, they are at least competent and work properly. Mike Morhime isn't doing anything controversial or retarded, and Blizzards earnings get bigger every year.

There's nothing really outright bad about Blizzard games. I would say the microtransaction shit is, but they've been reworking that shit and it's not as bad as it used to be. So I really don't know what makes them villains.

>>388440538
>Tfw when you like Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls. Vanilla is garbage

>>388440218
wtf are these things supposed to be

>>388443379
the people who made SC1 and Warcraft no longer work at Blizzard

>>388443379
remaster soon my man

>>388443786
I dont know what you're talking about, I said Diablo 3 was garbage mate. Nothing about reaper of souls.

>>388443117
Blizzard has NEVER been able to balance shit. Maybe Starcraft, but WC2 was unbalanced as shit with just TWO FUCKING RACES.

They're at least trying with Overwatch, giving in-depth explanations about the design changes. But it's still retarded.

>>388443807
you need to be 18 to post here

>>388443848
The director for HoTs worked on Warcraft, and I'm pretty sure Jeff has worked on some of their older stuff. I'm not sure exactly but I know Jeff has been with them for a long time

>>388441402
>Legion is by far the best expansion since burning crusade
Have fun in your facebook hub. Hope you'll roll a good legendary tomorrow!

>>388443848
One of the founding fathers of Blizzard just came back last year.

>>388443945
Brood War was the Melee of their library, an accidental balance that just werked and developed a following that still goes on to this day.

Too bad they can't balance their way out of a wet lunchbag if their life depended on it.

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>>388441402
Legion itself has been amazing and the game is good. But there's no community anymore. Sure guilds are still things but there isn't really the same bond you used to get.

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>>388442057
>Microtransactions are okay when they don't affect gameplay!
No, microtransactions are never okay.

When games like Overwatch prove to be massively financially successful, the industry as a whole is going to follow suit. All three of Blizzard's latest big games have been online and revolve around microtransactions. This is how they want to make money now, not by making complete and/or single-player games, but by making vehicles for micro-purchases. This is the future of video games, and its because of mouth-breathing mongoloids like yourself.

Used to be the way to make money with your game was to actually make it a good game, now you make money by spending more on marketing than the development budget and peddling as many micro-purchases as you possibly can.

>>388443913
Ah. Figured you meant D3 as a whole. My bad.

>>388444558
>micro transaction boogeyman

>>388444558


gtfo jim sterling

>>388444558
>heroes of the storm removed the shop from the game
>can only aquire skins in item boxes
>getting a certain skin went from being $15 with 3 different colors tints to being like $70 on average for a single tint which might not even be the one you want
>every update has like 8 recolors for each legendary and a hundred useless banners/voicelines/emotes to make it more and more expensive

>>388444490
dont fucking kid yourself, there hasn't been a community since burning crusade, thats why i said its the best since burning crusade because it is. it's not better than burning shitsade which has a lot of problems and is certainty not better than vanilla but its pretty fucking good.

>>388444692
Yup, DLC won't take over, its just optional horse armor, right?

This is the direction the industry as a whole is going in, and you're just being willfully ignorant.

Micro-purchases are simply the best way to make money now, why spend $40-80 million and three or more years to make a complete single-player game when you can spend a fraction of that time and money to make an online-only skinnerbox and make ten times as much money instead? Again, the last three games Blizzard has made are vehicles for micro-purchases. Most other big publishers are either dabbling or have already jumped in. Deus Ex had micro-purchases in its SP mode. CoD and Halo both have lootboxes now. Get your head out of the sand.

>>388440056
>blizzard is rebooting all their old franchises to appeal to the dumb nerds who do nothing but criticize them for making new design decisions and not keeping everything in 2000 to appeal to their nerdvirgin nostalgia sensibilities
>still making successful games

You know how I know this is a valve shill OP? Because Blizzard literally didn't do anything outstanding to warrant this thread. Meanwhile Valve pretty much confirmed they're not going to be making the only game anyone gave a shit about of theirs.

>>388440218

Why is Ubi the the hot bitch? Sauce please

>>388444490
There really was never a WoW community after Vanilla. It was just oversaturated with normies because WoW was as mainstream as Minecraft invading every facet of mainstream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj68dD1ZeAI

>>388445097
>what are shards

>>388445236
The problem with Blizzard is they are very transparent over what they will and will not do. Valve doesn't have any communication with their fans. The only time Valve reacts to their fans is when it hurts them financially like with paid mods.

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>>388440538
>Games are still decent, and only Diablo 3 and Modern WoW are legit awful games
you realise that's half of their games beside a mobile and a f2p showelvare?

>Diablo3 is utter shit
>nu-Wow is utter shit
>SC2 is mediocre as hell
>OW is alright, but it's a generic fps and isn't a game that Blizzard should deal with

My biggest problem with them isn't that these specific games turned out weak but the same thing that happened to valve. They got fat on the ridiculous amount of money they get and aren't motivated at all to develop every kind of games.

They were one of the biggest innovators in the west but now the only thing they do is slowly milking their few franchises while not producing any value in the industry despite the absurd amount of money they get.

>>388440218
Accurate.

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>>388443961
He can also choose to not be a weaboo faggot to post here too, ya know. Normal people don't know these shitty manga characters, you fucking turd.

>>388440056
I'm still holding out for Warcraft IV

>>388440218
Is this image trying to imply that Valve did nothing wrong?

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>>388446940
>you could choose any other westcuck internet forums to shitpost on yet you choose the one that started as a anime image board

>>388445236
fuck off, Blizzard is on the exact same level as Valve

both are hardly making any new games but are just riding on the reputation of the 2-3 good games they made decades ago (even though hardly any of the original people who made them are even there)

>>388440218
Slan should definitely be EA when you realize how much of a hardon EA had for Valve.

>>388448251
Valve's mostly making profit off Steam, games are an afterthought now

>>388448721
Blizzard's focus is now making vehicles for micro-purchases instead of actual games. If the game doesn't revolve around selling those skins and loot crates, Blizzard won't make it.

>>388448964
The SC remaster doesn't have microtransactions.

>>388448721
and Blizzard is just very slowly milking their few big franchises and does nothing else

OW is their only new game in 20 years, and even that was just made from the scraps of another game.

they also didn't released a good sequel over 15 years, the only thing they did is butchering the games to broaden the audience

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>>388441402
Legion was alright the first time, but it's grindy as hell and has no replay value. If you want to level another character, you have to do EVERYTHING in Legion over again, as basically nothing is optional, including the korean-tier AP grind that you must do for your artifact weapon.

I enjoyed the time I spent with Legion until they started doing that timegating bullshit with batches, then I quit. It's nowhere near WotLK/MoP quality.

>>388440538
Overwatch, Hearthstone and at a distant third WoW are their only relevant games, and WoW's popularity is constantly waning because MMOs are on the way out. You understand that, right?

Diablo 3's second expansion was cancelled. Blizzard appears to have given up on the game.
SC2 is dead in the west and is largely being abandoned in Korea, players going back to Brood War. Blizzard even made an HD rerelease of Brood War to capitalize on the trend.
HotS will never be popular, sadly, as it seems to be where a lot of Blizzard's veteran developers went. It just didn't catch on, and the only reason it has an esports scene is Blizzard pumping money into it.

>>388449301
the SC remaster isn't a new game tho, it's just a higher resolution re-release of SC and it doesn't add anything new to the game

Tencent has a big grip on Blizzard now. Why do you guys think they started with their lootbox bullshit in all their games now when Tencent bought a share of their company?
It will only get worse and worse from here

And blizzard has always been overrated, they've made a few games but that's it.

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>>388440056
not gonna pretend like this isn't true but these guys did it way worse

>>388449942
Does Tencent have a grip of the rest of western games that are doing the same shit?

>>388450251
on most games, yes.
Just see PUBG, Fortnite and all these new games.

If there is lootboxes invovled the chances are high Tencent owns a share of the company

>>388450541
What about Valve, the ones who started the whole fucking thing?

>>388450762
Lootboxes has been in KR/China forever anon, Valve only started it here in the west

>>388450834
So was it Valve's success with it or Tencent that made it a trend? Because people have been trying to copy Steam's success with their own game client like Blizzard, what proves that Valve didn't popularize the lootboxes?

>>388450976
Not sure here in the west, but one thing is for certain and that is that Tencent is trying to buy up many gaming companies(and with success) and when they do they always impliment greedy shit like this.

>>388449704
hots completely deserved to fail

Blizzard completely ignored the fan demand to pick up Dota /make a similar game or even just admit it's existence, up untill Lol made the genre fucking mainstream a decade later and now it desperately tries to join in the market.

Hots also represents everything wrong with modern Blizzard's game design.

>>388443786
Vanilla 1.08 act1/3 farming > repetitive rifts, unrewarding bounties, garbage sets, and whatever the fuck grifts are supposed to be

can't forget leaving many of vanilla's obvious, atrocious flaws in the same in ros despite constant feedback

>>388451220
Funny thing about Hots is that the artdirection and most graphic stuff is top notch but the gameplay and game itself is so shit.
The artists make such a great job on a shitty game like that, I feel sorry for them.

>>388451215
Activision Blizzard bought themselves back from Vivendi because they were implementing greedy shit. Why would they let Tencent do the same without resistance?

Tencent is a small investor and most likely only gives a shit about the China portion of Blizzard. But every single publisher has taken on lootboxes because it makes them money. Tencent doesn't own everyone who has taken on lootboxes.

>>388445689
>OW is alright, but it's a generic
Honest to god I have no idea how out of touch with reality one must be to say such nonsense.
Say what you want about the game but saying it's generic is just wrong.

>>388440893
>using twitch chat memes outside of twitch chat
>using twitch chat memes ever
You have to go back.

>>388451482
>Funny thing about Hots is that the artdirection and most graphic stuff is top notch
no, the character models are top notch, and maybe things like physics and lighting (for a moba anyway)

The artstyle is a fucking mess. Maps look like playdoh playgrounds, the different artstyles clash even with the generalized post wow, nu-blizzard artstyle.
The characters don't even resemble their original playstyles/abilities, and the music is either shit or just completely unfitting and are just forced in (diablo2 act1 music on a fucking diablo3 heaven-hell map?!)

hots feels more like a weak attempt to advertise their current games with something that's recently popular rather than an attempt at making a well designed moba

>>388451847
it's literally TF2 with the current moba flawor slapped on it

Blizzard was making much more unique games before (15-20 years ago at least), they created whole genres or subgenres like the Diablo-likes or made RTS and MMORPGs the way we know them now. They should either actually make new games for these, OR try something really new, but not just making a game in an overstatuated genre and only make it "somewhat different".

>>388453257
if it was anything like tf2 it would be good

>>388452675
HotS looks fucking awful. I have no idea why Blizzard keeps dumping money into it, it's like dumping money into a fire.

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>>388453257
> they created whole genres or subgenres like the Diablo-likes or made RTS and MMORPGs the way we know them now

>>388453460
warcraft1-3 and starcraft,bw created the modern rts design
wc3 created the whole moba genre (tho not by the devs)
wow created the modern mmorpg design that everyone follows now
diablo created a subgenre since so many games copied it's design

The problem is that pretty much all of these were over 15 years ago and Blizzard hasn't done a single noteworthy thing since then, even though they were making these games every few years back then and now they would have several times more money for development.

>>388454257
>warcraft1-3 and starcraft,bw created the modern rts design
No they didn't, not even close. That was Dune
>wow created the modern mmorpg design that everyone follows now
That was Everquest
>diablo created a subgenre since so many games copied it's design
Gauntlet.

Like I'm not sure if you're serious now, everything Blizzard has ever done is copied shit from other games.

>most of their games are just ripoffs of other games
yeah no, they were doomed from the start

>>388454257
>wow created the modern mmorpg design that everyone follows now
You do know that WoW is literally a more casual Dark Age of Camelot, right?

>>388454257
>this is 15 year olds actually believe
videogame history needs to be a subject at schools otherwise companies like blizzard are going to rewrite it

>>388454664
>>388455342
>>388455492
modern rts games (at least before the genre become dead) had a lot more in common with warcraft than with dune
same with wow and modern mmos
same with diablo and it's clones vs gauntlet

I'm pretty sure none of the games you mentioned were the absolute first in their genre either, but you have to give credit for Blizzard for making a huge load of impactful designs in these genres.

>>388455891
you need to be 18 to post here

>>388455891
Blizzard did the same thing you're claiming other companies did, so your point is moot. They merely copied successful game models that other people pioneered.

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>Blizzard kind enough to pinpoint the exact moment were they decided to stop caring and just milk all of their IP's dry

Honestly. It will be useful for historical record purposes.

How come Valve gets away with not caring and milking but Blizzard doesn't? People only just now stopped caring about Valve because they finally realized HL3 was never happening.

Years of Gaben dancing around the issue and only now people realize it's not happening. What the fuck. Blizzard still makes games but they get shat on regardless.

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>>388454257
>warcraft1-3 and starcraft,bw created the modern rts design
Jesus christ the underage on this board.

>>388440056
Blizzard at this point has the sad ironic mix of
>Having the best artists, sound design, cinematics
>The absolute worst fucking gameplay design decisions.
>Horrendous storywriting.

And with the most recent OW shit its like they cant decide whether they want to be the new Pixar, or a gaming company.

Not that it matters so long as people still exist in 2017 that are paying to play Legion.

>>388446940
fuck off

>>388456497
Blizzard makes glorified slot machines. The goverment of China has declared lootboxes to be gambling. China doesnt fuck around.

>>388441963
This, Modern wow is barely an MMO anymore. It certainly isn't an RPG anymore that's for sure.
You can see that the people that design modern Blizzard games are doing it based off some bullshit marketing research.
That's why everything in Legion is about chasing higher numbers. Blizzard's addiction research (yes its fucking real) obviously shows them people like chasing numbers.

>>388440218

Nah. Unlike Valve, Griffith did nothing wrong.

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>>388440056
OP here, wrong posted wrong pic

>>388456497

BECAUSE BASED GABEN

>>388456823
>>388456849
Valve didn't do anything wrong you fucking morons. Diablo 3 proved that some things are better left dead and everybody got their story from that leak anyhow so who the fuck cares.

Half-Life will never be defiled like everything Blizzard touches and Valve games will continue to dominate the PC market while Blizzard has to scramble for their games to stay relevant.

>>388444558
I hate how true this post it.
>valve makes gambling loot boxes, rest of industry slowly follows suit.
>blizzard poisons their mmo with cross server everything, removes RPG elements.
>MMO industry declines into a shitty casual hellhole following anything wow is doing because COPY WOW OR DIE.

>>388453257
>it's literally TF2 with the current moba flawor slapped on it
it's not
you know it's not
that's like saying every game is quake with "insert aspect here" slapped on it

>>388444558
>microtransactions are never okay.
I'd rather have micro transactions in Overwatch than 2 paid DLCs or expansions per year with new maps and heroes or anything like that

I'm not denying they're being jews but then again I like free content, I like cinematics, I like the events and those things take resources to produce, especially with the game out for over a year so it's not like sales would cover that anymore.

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>>388440056
live a hero forever

>>388456075
>>388456614
>>388455981

>They merely copied successful game models that other people pioneered.
this isn't how easily it works tho

there is no genre where you could say that "this game is what started the genre, and the other companies just copied it" because for every big classic you could find a lot of previous attempts that already had similar ideas in them, even if they were just demos made by single programmers

what you give credit for is which game nailed the genre for the first time. Saying things like "Diablo is just a cheap ripoff of Gauntlet because it was before" is extremely simple minded since they both nailed completely different parts of the genre for the first time.

>>388456497
>How come Valve gets away with
They don't. Everyone calls them out on it. Valve being shitty doesn't give Blizzard an excuse to be even shittier though.

>>388457675
>what you give credit for is which game nailed the genre for the first time
This is obvious anon - but the only good example that idiot gave was Diablo 1/2.

WC3/SC2 came out among -many- other outstanding RTS games that defined the genre as a whole.

WoW pulled from almost every other MMO that existed at the time - and has severely degraded since then

>>388457067
>Valve games will continue to dominate the PC market while Blizzard has to scramble for their games to stay relevant.
>Blizzard has to scramble for their games to stay relevant.
I don't know what parallel universe you came from, anon.

As much as I used to like Valve, I can't exactly give them much props when both DOTA and CS were fan made games that they took over. How about they make something themselves. TF2 is a decade old.

The irony is that they're making a card game, after Heartstone already took the world by storm.

>>388457773
What makes Blizzard even shittier?

>>388456497
Their fans are basically brainwashed. Dota is the best skinner box out there even ignoring the actual "not-gambling" parts.

>>388456363
>everyone seeing this on mmochamp assumes its the Algalon mount.
>ACTIVISION Blizzard announces a cash shop in an MMO you are already buying a boxed copy for and paying a subscription fee for.
They so obviously took it from Ulduar and shoved it in their stupid fucking cash shop god I hate Activision and all their fucking defender's.

>>388440056
SARGARAS THE DARK TITAN IS COMMING.
praise the fell, turn away the darkness

>>388457208
>you know it's not
are you seriousy?
it copied fucking everything, abilities, map objective, matchmaking, even it's unique cartoony artstyle to a great degree

The only major difference is that instead of costumizable weapons you get 3 moba abilities.

>>388457906
Hearthstone is on the way out with better games like Gwent and soon Artifact. The fact that Dota 2 and CS are fan games is what makes them good games and not shameless IP cash grabs like HotS or Hearthstone.

They actually require skill, something no nu-Blizzard game requires. TF2 even a decade old will outlive Overwatch because unlike OW, TF2 is a good game made by people who give a shit.

>>388457882
Warcraft 1-2 were pretty impactful in creating the whole real time "worker -> gathering,+building -> unit producing, etc..." design that 90% of the rts games copied later

WC3 was more impactful in it's way of creating the whole hero system and in the inspiring of the moba genre

I don't think SC2 was mentioned anywhere but SC with BW was impactful in being the first such well designed competetive rts that launched the whole esport scene.

>>388458125
>it copied fucking everything
>abilities, map objective, matchmaking
matchmaking is hardly a valve invention
there is no doubt that they took quite a bit of inspiration from TF2, they admitted that themselves

However the differences are huge, starting with abilities. Overwatch has way more heroes with way more unique abilities so by design they are not the same. Let's not also ignore that hardly all the abilities from TF2 are their own invention. They took inspiration as well.

The maps are nothing alike, the variation in design and setting in Overwatch is on a completely different plane than TF2.

Same with the heroes. OW has way more heroes who different in design, gameplay and personality. Put the OW and TF2 roster side by side and good luck convincing anyone that one is a copy of the other

>>388458146
>Hearthstone is on the way out with better games like Gwent and soon Artifact
> all that speculation and wishful thinking
call me when they get out anon
people kept saying the new Quake would make a dent in OW and it's DOA


> The fact that Dota 2 and CS are fan games is what makes them good games and not shameless IP cash grabs
It makes them good games but it hardly makes Valve a developer I can give much praise to. I'll give them praise for HL and Portal, CS and DOTA? Not so much.

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>>388446940
>this faggot

>>388440218
this

>>388446940
Perfect text and pic combo and exactly the right post to reply to.
The thinking man's bait.

>blizzard is dying any second now season #8529455
Boy I love that this series is still going for more than a decade

>>388449704
>Legion was alright the first time, but it's grindy as hell and has no replay value. If you want to level another character, you have to do EVERYTHING in Legion over again, as basically nothing is optional, including the korean-tier AP grind that you must do for your artifact weapon.

I see you've never actually tried leveling an alt in Legion. You just grind a relatively small number of Invasions to get to 110. You do your class hall campaign (presumably something you hadn't already done, unless you already had a 110 of that class), and you're done.

With 7.3 on Tuesday, even the class hall campaign becomes somewhat optional to a point.

Anyone play co-op in SC2? It's pretty fun.

>>388461336
The problem with SC2 is that while PvE is very fun, PvP is not, and PvP is where an RTS lives and dies.

>>388461113
Yeah? Back when I was leveling my alts in 7.0 it felt like I had to do the whole expansion all over again. Maybe I'll give it another try in Legion, was thinking of leveling another Rogue.

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>>388461846
Give it another try in 7.3, I mean. Here's a Valeera.