why is sm64 considered better than sunshine when sunshine

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>>388398949
>less worlds
>blue coin padding
>bad voice acting
it's good, but not better than 64
Odyssey will be better than both

gamecubefags are so fucking obnxious i swear. the ONLY franchise that peaked on that shit tier console was f zero and thats it. you can MAYBE make a case with metroid prime. everything else was just a huge disappointment in comparison to the previous entries we had gotten before the shitcube.

sunshine is the worst 3d mario game, though

>>388398949
Because Sunshine is the worst 3D Mario.

>>388399129

this picture bothers me. you can't fucking swim underwater with an AIR filled flotation device around your waist.

>>388399129
>Odyssey will be better than both
Are you delusional?

>>388399614
who said it's filled with air anon

>>388399692
dont call me anon.

>>388399614
ignoring that his snorkel is underwater as well

>>388398949
Because Sunshine isn't actually the better game.
>>388399225
This. GCfags are annoying. The GC wasn't a big deal, it actually was a fairly shitty console.

>>388398949
nostalgia

>>388399739
o-okay

>>388399746
have you ever been snorkeling? you can go underwater with it, you just have to surface for breath

>>388399129
>Less worlds

Doesn't outweigh the benefit of said worlds actually sharing a consistent theme, and feeling like a real place on the island

>Blue coins
Optional

>Bad voice acting
Sm64's isn't any better, and just because there's more of it doesn't make it a bad thing, it's just something extra that SM64 doesn't have.

>>388399379
>>388399532
Wrong

>>388399225
You forgot about smash brothers melee, which is arguably the best game of all time.

>>388399668
Are you?

>>388399847
consistency doesn't excuse a lack of variety in courses or objectives, sunshine feels underwhelming at best

Because SM64 is the more revolutionary game. Invented modern 3D third person camera, a massive leap over the previous Mario game.

>>388399886
Nintendo hasn't made a good game since the gamecube era. If you think oddysey won't be casual nonsense then you're a fucking idiot.

>>388399768
>The GC wasn't a big deal, it actually was a fairly shitty console.
Funny thing, i remember when there was a break in at the local toy store that had a pretty large video game section, they stole all of the ps2 and x-boxes but left the gamecubes to the astonishment of the owner

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>>388399990
nintendo hasn't ever made a good game, actually

>>388399129
expanding:
>Blue coins are not just padding, they're just not fun to collect.
>Hover nozzle significantly dumbs the platforming down. This needs to be stressed.
>A lot of the time clearing away goop feels like filler. The water gun doesn't feel all that integrated into Mario's kit and the relationship to the goop doesn't relate to platforming as much as it should.
>Far too many gimmicky levels: The sting ray boss, the pinball level, the lillipad level, taking a Yoshi to that one island, the Roller Coaster rocket levels, the water melon crap, etc. The pleasant gimmick levels are few and farm between. I can only really think of the Hotel levels where you solve puzzles. (Note that the FLUDD-less floating platform levels are not gimmicks: they are pure platforming.)

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>>388399990
lad

>>388399857
Best "fighting" game. Fixed that one for you.

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>>388398949
>sunshine is the better game

>>388399970
A wooden club was the most revolutionary weapon of all time because it was the first one, that doesn't make it better then a sword.

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>>388400039

>>388400296
If the sword is fucking shit, I rather have the wooden club then.

>>388400296
That's a shitty analogy. What makes Sunshine better? (except graphics for obvious reasons)

>>388400587
>What makes Sunshine better
The actual gameplay. The movement options are better because of the fludd. The game just controls a lot nicer.

>>388401418
Too bad everything else aside from the graphics is worse.

>>388401418
>The actual gameplay.
well have you considered the actual level design

>>388401509
sunshines level design is better

literally the only reason people think 64 is a better game is because of the glitches that let you beat the game in 5 minutes

>>388401609
>sunshines level design is better
the only well designed part of sunshine is its secret levels, everything else is shitty recycled boss battles, chasing shadow mario, stupid gimmick stages, or actually broken gimmick stages

>>388401509
Sunshine's level design is better. The stages all feel like real locations that have a good sense of scale and are actually open ended rather then just being small jungle gyms of platforms; without being overly horizontal and still having enough platforms to faclitate fun movement

>>388401884
wrong, see
>>388401887

The secret levels are shit, they are the same thing Sm64's stages are, just linear

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>>388400070
>Hover nozzle significantly dumbs the platforming down

>>388401887
>>388401912
sunshine's objectives don't facilitate anything but frustration or boredom. no matter how many cool movement tricks you can do in the game, the stages you do them in flat out suck 95% of the time. at least 64's design was mostly based on finding and reaching the star, but sunshine constantly shoves in garbage non-platforming hassles that ruin the fun.

>>388401937
hey uh, you realize he didn't use the hover nozzle once in that, right?
and that the stage is one of the few parts of sunshine designed for non-FLUDD play, yeah?
you see how you're proving his point?

>>388402124
>you realize he didn't use the hover nozzle once in that

And? You can still do all that stuff even with the fluud as part of the game

>and that the stage is one of the few parts of sunshine designed for non-FLUDD play, yeah?
You can still do that sort of advanced platforming on the other stages

>>388402232
>You can still do that sort of advanced platforming on the other stages
hardly, you are forced in almost every non-secret stage to use FLUDD in some way that kills your momentum

sunshine is killed by the sloppy controls desu, if it was as tight as 64 or even galaxy it'd be fine

Gamecube kiddies need to be gassed

>>388401887
>Open ended
>Can't find Shines outside the mission you selected

Bull fucking shit

>>388402474
n64 kiddies are worse

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>>388399379
>>388399532
>Sunshine
>worse than Galaxy

>>388398949
sunshine is shit, that's why

>>388398949

Sunshine has tighter controls and its FLUDDless levels are some of the best level design to ever grace a 3D Mario, but beyond that it's got some of the worst objectives and tedious level design of the 3D Marios. Some truly brilliant highs but not enough to fully counteract the damning lows.

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>>388398949
It's not.
64 had tighter controls, more level diversity, no blue coins, no shoehorned gimmicks like Fludd, Rollercoaster Segments, or Yoshi, and no shitty levels like Pachinko, Melon Festival or the Lilypad River.
>>388400039
this tbqh fampai

>>388399970
>Invented modern 3D third person camera
Wrong.

>a massive leap over the previous Mario game.
Also wrong.

>>388401937
Not everyone is a speedrunner and has mastered to game.