Guys... I'm scared. What will happen if Valve goes bankrupt?

>>388359760
Valve isn't going bankrupt in your lifetime.

>>388359760
valve will not go out of business and if it does you will be long dead

t. valve cluckold

are you fucking retarded?

Even if Valve went under Steam would just split off on its own. But that wouldnt happen anyways because there is no reason for why Valve would go under

>>388359760
>Will we lose all of our games?
That could legit cause civil unrest.
I'm sure there are people that would try to take advantage of the situation to trigger a civil war kek.
Valve is literally too big to fail now.

>>388359880
>>388359936
Valve will be sued to oblivion and file for bankruptcy once someone rich sues them for implementing gambling into Steam and their numerous games.

Gabe has said they'll make games available for owners for a few months after they go under and supply an offline client that lets you play them.

>>388360065
*available for download

>>388360065
Unless that policy is in the EULA, it's not legally binding.

>>388359760
Valve won't go bankrupt kiddo, a card game is enough to milk them another million.

I would just torrent my games if Valve went under. Companies got alot of nerve asking me to pay real money, and then say "whoops you can't play the game anymore because we say so." Screw this "renting licenses" garbage.

>>388360215
it's going to make them a lot more than a million, anon

>>388360060
>Money vs money
>Turns out money wins every time
Anon corporate law is not like county courthouse procedures.

Yeah, you don't OWN your games on Steam.


GOG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS GARBAGE

>YOU DONT OWN THOSE GAMES LOL
I don't see this digital distribution resource disappearing anytime soon, and if a much better alternative shows up I'll switch.

>>388360323
You don't own "your" games on GOG either.

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>>388360323
>GOG goes under (5 trillion times more likely than Valve going under)
>Suddenly lose access to all your games
>Can't download MUH DRM-FREE GAMES anymore because they're on an online database that's shut down now

L O L

>>388360323
GOG literally repackages pirated copies

actually I'm not going to lie I don't care because they have bretty good CAHNTENT. I like how they have simcity 3000 available. runs like a dream on windows 10. Next up they need to repackage sims 1 (8 in 1) because the current installer method is a little shaky.

>>388360213
EULAs are not legally binding.

>>388360323
>he doesn't know
All you're buying through GOG is a license, just like Steam. You still don't own the game.

>>388360060
More like a law will change somewhere that will force them to trash the way they do things. The number of laws that could realistically change and destroy their entire platform is endless. Especially given the current political environment in the US. It's just a matter of time. No politician gives a fuck about video games and will always choose to side with the person against video games' futures.

>>388360539
Wrong.

EULA's are the same as any other contract. Legally binding until and only until ruled otherwise by a court of law.

>>388360539
That's literally false.

FUCK EVERYONE THAT DESTROYED THE PHYSICAL RELEASE ON THE PC SIDE

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>>388360798
This.

>>388360798
>go to walmart
>sims 4 like $30
>Diablo (just base game) is same price
>expansions are $20 a pop
>meanwhile sales have these games going for a fraction

stop being a fag. DRM unironically saved the PC genre.

>>388360528

>look at me, I'm buying games and never play them!

oh, hi normie

>>388360759
Exactly. A judge could say "fuck you" to either party regarding the EULA, so it's meaningless.

>>388360967
...is this bait?

>>388360060
If Valve were to go to court for that it'd be either a class action lawsuit. The only rich people who might give a shit are the ones who run other online gambling sites, and that shit's probably shadier than anything Valve's doing.

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>>388359760
>apply cracks to already-installed games
>keep playing

>>388360647
Well at least you don't need the launcher like steam to run them

>>388360967
Judges can over-ride any contract. Any agreement. Verbal or written. From any country. From any span of time. The only thing they can't universally over-ride is decisions made by other courts.

>>388360967
That doesn't mean that all EULA's are automatically non-binding though.

They are pretty simple contractual agreements between two parties. If the two parties agree to the contract it is legally binding, regardless of any other agreement between any other parties.

Stop buying from Steam then retard. Buy DRM free or pirate

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>>388361394
Has there ever been a single good game released on PC?

>>388360647
If you have a copy of DOSbox and access to a torrent site you pretty much have access to the exact same stuff GOG is selling you as far as older titles are concerned.

>>388361507
A few.

>>388360221
This why I buy from gog or other drm free places. Then back all my games on two or three external hard drives.

>>388361217

No, they can't. Contract law says Judges enforce contracts unless they are in violation of the law. When a judge fails in application of law it's grounds for appeal.

>>388361507
Until Knack is ported, that's a hard no.

>>388360525
Yes you do.

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>>388361835
Best post in this bread

>>388361507
yeah civ II

its been a while

>>388360647
You can back up and make multiple copys of the game you brought. I had lan partys with one copy of a game on gog.

>>388360065
He didn't.

>>388361996
civ isn't a video game

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>>388362349
Jesus Christ Anon
that's still unlegal

>>388360647
On GoG you buy a license that's permanent.
On Steam you subscribe to a service that only gives you a temporary license.
Valve can terminate any of your subscriptions at their discretion.
This is eventually going to happen when Steam isn't profitable anymore.

>>388360647
At least if the internet goes down unexpectedly you can still play your games.

>>388363098
You can do that with steam too. It's called offline mode.

>>388363173
Limited time

>>388363252
How long? I haven't run into a time limit.

>>388359760
Not all of them. Some are/can be cracked, which probably isn't legal in most places, but whatever. Some are DRM-free, so those should fundamentally remain functional, but DRM isn't the only function Steam provides. Shit relating to multiplayer and friends management are also there, those wouldn't work anymore but perhaps somebody can reverse engineer that shit and set up an "unofficial" Steam for the multiplayer features. That's the best case scenario, worst case scenario they just no longer work unless devs release new versions of their games, which wouldn't happen for most titles.

>>388363323
Can't recall but after a few days of offline mode steam tells you that you must reconnect to authenticate

>>388363465
You got a source for that?

Reminder: the current president of the united states is worth about a billion dollars less than Gabe Newell

>>388363323

There is none. There was once years ago, it was around two weeks, but it's gone now. Valve claimed it was a bug.

>>388359872
>>388359880
>>388359936
Remember Gamespy?
Remember WON?
Remember MSN Gaming Zone?

Online services don't stick around forever. Steam is going to die eventually. It's inevitable.

>>388363042
There is no such thing as a permanent license. GOG can still revoke it any time.

>>388359760
Reclaim your games. Grab what you can with Source Mods. Look into Steam cracking.

It's time to start telling them to fuck off. Get your games from gog, the humble store, or even g2a if you don't care about the developer. Get it on console if you have one. If it's an indie game, email them and ask them if you can purchase the game straight from through paypal. They get 100% of the cut and all they have to do is click about 3 times to create a steam key for you.

You don't have to delete your account, you don't have to uninstall your games, but just stop all future purchases. You can get your games without Steam, guys.

>>388360065
even if he did I would not trust a word that fat fuck said. he wouldn't do something purely for the sake of the users. he cares about money, bottom line.

>>388360060
>>388360665
stay in school

>>388363715
Grab what you can with Source Ports*

>>388363650
Remember that time you sucked a big black cock?
Remember that time you got your boipucci ravaged?
Remember that time you guzzled cum?

>>388363727
If you think Gabe only cares about money you're just another hateful, delusional cunt who knows nothing about the guy.

Physical media is looking to die out alot quicker than digital.

>>388363849
Explain Artifact, then.

>>388363727
I would trust it if it meant he'd lose massive amounts of money. It's like how I trust steam refunds because he had to implement them due to court mandate. I say we start using the justice system in our favor.

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>>388363727
Gabe is awesome, fuck off.

>>388363685
The point is that you can't redownload the game if they revoke your license completely, but your installation files don't need to phone home to work. Steam backups sort of work like this, but many games demand you connect to the internet before the restored game will boot, and they'll only work on your account.

>>388363997
>Gabe was awesome
ftfy

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>>388363685
No they can't.
Compare this to the Steam agreement.

>>388363939
He lets his employees work on what they want to work on.

>>388364024
which doesnt really have anything to do with steam or valve. Some steam games require online authentication, some dont

>>388360798
It's inevitable. Physical is more inconvenient both for customers and for devs/publishers/distributors. It's more expensive to get in the consumer's hands than a digital game, but it also takes longer to do so. Digital is really great, low distribution cost and immediate access to the title. Downloading a game is almost certainly faster than ordering a physical copy online and if you have a fast connection it's probably going to be faster than moving your ass to get it from a store too, even if you're close. It's also obviously more convenient.

There is also no real problem with digital. Digital done in its most basic form (download installer > install, like GoG) has no practical disadvantages. You can still get the installer once and keep it forever, just like a physical copy and with a proper backup strategy you also won't lose it to the degradation of the original storage medium of a physical copy.

The only real problem is the fact that digital is tied to proprietary storefronts and to DRM, which make it hard/impossible for the consumer to backup games in a usable state. DRM could just as well fuck over physical copies though, if the game has some online DRM but it dies in 10 years, the physical copy turns into a paperweight.

>>388364073
That image sort of contradicts your first sentence, pal.

>>388364106
You only get to work on what you want if you can convince other coworkers that it's worth working on. Go read their employee handbook, its on their website.

>>388364164
Well it's some vs. none for Steam and Gog, and Steam doesn't label games that won't play nice with the backup system.

>>388359760
Nah, they ain't gonna go bankrupt. They've lured in enough cash cucks to contribute to there funds thanks to shit like Team Fortress 2 and Counter Strike GO. As long as the art of conning remains, so will Valve.

Fuck Gabe Newell

>>388364256
I don't see where you're going with this.

>>388364335
It's not as hip and cool as you were making it sound, that's my point.

>>388364106
>He lets his employees work on what they want to work on.

No, he doesn't.

We know this because he once said that anyone at Valve that wanted to make HL3 would have to ask him for permission first and they better have a good reason for making the game too.

>>388359760
Well fingers crossed that all my games get transferred to my GOG account with GOGs new initiative GOG CONNECT.

I already stopped shopping at Steam.No need to rack up games that are not DRM free.

I just don't see the point in boycotting Valve over Half Life. They've done alot of shady stuff, but not making a final installment to a series just seems dumb, that's all. It doesn't feel like a personal attack on consumer rights.

Now, paid mods? totally. I'd burn an effigy infront of Valve HQ for that.

>>388363997
Fuck off Valvefag. You guys are becoming the new bronies.

>>388364224
but it doesn't.
GoG can not revoke any of your licenses unless you breech the agreement (which is a clause in any software contract).

>>388364690
I did not know this existed. Nice.

>>388364224

If you had actually read it instead of assuming what it contained you'd see the line about how termination of access to GOG services does not affect existing rights and obligations, i.e. you still own the games you had already purchased before the termination of the service.

>>388360647
It is not the same thing.
That is why i only buy DRM free games.

>>388364335
Without defined leadership you get madman projects like Steam boxes, that paperweight controller, another MOBA, another card game, the Vive, and numerous revisions to the Steam store that haven't improved a thing.

>>388364886
>I did not know this existed. Nice.
Don't you have a GOG account already?

>>388359760
Valve has made much more than 70 million this year alone. Valve are not going anywhere.

>>388365006
>Without defined leadership you get madman projects like Steam boxes, that paperweight controller

They weren't madman projects. Along with the likes of SteamOS they were deliberate and calculated attempts to create a psuedo-console PC which Valve would control in order to compete against the coming Windows Store. Gabe pretty much flat out said this.

>>388365216
An attempt that ended behind a shed when they gave up.

>>388363650

kali
playitonTEN

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>>388359760
It's morally ok to pirate a game you bought once.
And that if you're a US citizen, EU would hunt those fuckers down and make them shit out an offline installer, GOG style, since EU cares for its consumers

>>388365105
>70 million
Did you forget a 0?

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snailfag who's just now getting into PC gaming, should I not go with Steam for the benefit of having everything under one platform?

>>388365105
70 million is not that much anon

>>388364813
No one wanted Artifact, and if you pay attention, they're starting to let L I T E R A L phone games in now. They don't care about their customers anymore. They don't care about what we want.

>>388365425

That's because Valve doesn't believe in the long haul anymore, it's immediate success or immediate abandonment. Point is they weren't created due to an absence of leadership, they were created under the direction of leadership. Valve specifically hired new staff to work on them.

>>388360215
you misspelled billion

The games will be available as downloadable executables which you can use with your game keys from steam. The extra services around steam will be gone, but your games will still be available to you

>>388365635
Buy on whatever has the game you want for the cheapest, or you know pirate

>>388365698
If nobody wants Artifact, then let the makret speak for itself and have it be a financial failure. That'll speak volumes.

>>388365950
I'm honestly expecting that to happen. Those BOOs after the reveal were pretty distinct

>>388366036
You underestimate the stupidity of the millions of people who play Dota 2 daily.

>>388366036
The same thing happened with their paid mods idea. It crashed and burned horribly, so as long as the fans are vocal about it, Valve will notice. They can't shrug off a hit to their wallet.

>>388366171
It was the DOTA competition that they revealed it and that's where to BOOs came from. We had threads for days after about how stupid can they be to make it.

>>388361859
Until their site goes down as well. Then your game is lost to the ether just like if Steam went down.

>>388365950
>>388366036

What if it's good?

That sounds crazy, but we actually know almost nothing about the game beyond it being a digital card game. Will you avoid it even if it turns out to be a good game?

>>388366205
The idea of "paid mods" speaks for itself. The idea of a "card game" does not, aside from it being a card game. It's obviously a risky venture considering their competition, but I think it's irrational to totally dismiss it with the little info we currently have about it, unless you just dont like digital card games.

>>388364216
You're post made me remember that the concept of physical copies is pretty much dead. I remember years ago my internet went down for like the entire day and I couldn't get offline mode in steam to work, so I tried playing my phyiscal copies of my games and they all had DRM that required me to connect to the internet. They weren't even steamworks games, they were games like GTA4 and mirrors edge, I just couldn't pop in the DVD and play.

People bitch about steam but even if steam didn't exist publishers would still find a way to do exactly what steam does in their own way. I don't want to suck valves dick but at least I know steam will be around for a while, imagine if you had to deal with different DRM solutions every time you bought a new game only to have some of them just stop working years down the line, locking you out of your game.

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>>388359760
>Get a fatty 3tb or 6tb hard-drive.
>Proceed to spend a week downloading all the games in your library.
>Wait for steam to drop their final patch that will let you play those games offline.
>Alternatively wait for cracks that will let you play the game offline.
>Play the game online on non-Steam servers.
>Come to the realization that letting a single company hold all your games (eggs in one basket) is retarded.
>Move on to getting games from GOG and other various services.

I hope this helps OP.

>>388366871
Me, personally? Yes, I didn't really enjoy Hearthstone or Shadowverse, so I won't be playing it.

>>388367109
Don't forget, you can most likely email indie developers and ask if you can make a direct purchase from them through paypal. The money goes straight into their pocket, and all they have to do is click a couple of times to create a steam key for you

>Newfags hating Gabe.
4chan is beyond saving.

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>They haven't switched to GoG yet.

>>388367465
Hows about you GoG on my dick

>>388366738
are you retarded. gog sells games with no drm

>>388367402
That's some weak psy-op bait, dude.

>>388367402
4chan has always been beyond saving.

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>>388367402
>Not hating gabe
you're beyond saving.

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>>388366738
What...?

The GOG client isn't needed to play any of the games downloaded from that site. The only games I'd lose, should GOG shutdown, are games I purchased yet never bothered to download.

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>>388366738
>He doesn't download all of his games onto an external hard drive for backing up
>He thinks this is a good argument

Let me guess, you also don't back up your other files, do you?

>>388363715
>supporting eastern yuropoor subuhman trash
that's worse than valve

>>388367594
I unironically love my steam link

>>388367093
Steam doesn't even enforce DRM, as in there are games which are purchased/installed through Steam but have no DRM and do not otherwise depend on Steam in order to function. There IS, of course, DRM which a lot of devs use, even if it isn't some sort of requirement in order to get in the shop. DRM isn't intrinsically tied to Steam in any way and we've had various forms of it since forever.

>>388367667
So far, they have a higher bar for quality than Valve does these days. Have you seen the latest releases? ACTUAL phone games.

>>388361507
Not really. I feel sorry for the idiots who fell for the PC Master Race meme.

so what happened, anyone care to fill me in?

>>388367970
Is this your first day?

>>388368134
of course it is you fag now tell me

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>>388367970
The writer behind Half Life released the ending of Half Life 3 because he realized that it will never be made. A good amount of people are angry.

>>388363650
>do you remember things that are ants compared to valve?

>>388359760
download a crack
all the games are still on your drive

>>388368617
It's time to bring them down to size

>>388368541
well shit

>>388368541
>implying that wasn't a good thing
I wish uchikoshit would've just released the ending of ZE3 instead of butchering the story and releasing the steaming pile of shit that is ZTD.

>>388363848
I do, in fact.

>>388360323
>gog goes down
>forgot to download a majority of your library
>have no legal way of getting those games you "own"
Preach brotha

>>388369112
Physical would be best if it was still the norm, but we have to work with the lesser evil.

>>388369112
Sounds like a personal problem. Anyone with half a brain has a spare HDD to save ALL of their games.

>>388369356
Sounds like that is completely irrelevant to whether or not you own something.

>>388369552
>Don't own something (steam)
>Download all games
>Steam goes off for whatever reason
>All games are lost because you don't own them

>You own the game (GoG)
>You download all of them
>GoG goes down for whatever reason
>Keep the games! They're your games!

Sounds like you have trouble with basic consumerism, friend. Might I suggest getting your head out of Valve's ass?

>>388370594
GOG's selection is pitful. I'll deal with the consequences of steam going down whenever that happens.

>>388371297
It might get better if more people purchase from there.

>>388370594
>gog goes down
>can't download games
>trust me goy you own them, you just can't access them anymore

>>388371504
This is the equivalent of:
>Go to store
>Buy game
>Walk out without grabbing your game

>>388360060
Retard.

>>388371657
Yeah because deleting a game that you've already played is the equivalent of never taking it from the store. Or you can go with your "solution" and pay extra money to store your games on an external hard drive. Because we all know if you own a game you definitely have to take precautions like that.

>>388371992
Do you not have a TB hard drive or something? Why would you delete your game?

>>388372438
1. Modern games are bloated and have huge file sizes
2. A hard drive stores more than games

>Wal-Mart will die in your lifetime
>Amazon will die in your lifetime
>Valve will die in your lifetime
>American news outlets will die in your lifetime
>The IRS will die in your lifetime
the future looks bright boys

The only reason gog is worthwhile is because they make nice little DRM free installers that I can pirate

Only a fucking mouthbreathing retard would actually give them money

They literally do nothing but steal warez craked versions of games and try and resell them, they are literally the scum of the earth

Anybody who unironically supports them is a dipshit

>>388372691
So, are you downloading tons of movies? Did your family designate your PC as the archival PC for every single family photo?

You know, you could still burn DVDs as backups if getting an external hard drive is too expensive.

>>388373205
As far as I'm concerned, they are the currently a lesser evil. There's always G2A too.

>>388373237
You're either delusional or incredibly dense. If you OWN a game you don't have to take precautions such as storing the game in case the site ever goes down because you won't have access to the game """own"""

>>388360798
what the fuck did you expect when people refused to accept BR-drives?

>>388373339
Whats wrong with g2a?

Grey market is actually somewhat stopping the capitalist pigs from charging us 60 dollar full price on a digital copy of a game

>>388372872
it won't be when the sun dies in our lifetime.

>>388373489
Some people throw fits because the developers don't receive any money from their sales. I honestly use them everytime I want a game, but hate the developer

>>388373339
>buying a steam key bought with a stolen credit card is a lesser evil compared to paying slightly more for a key in which devs get some money rather than g2a jews
Hmmmmmm

>>388359760
be honest
out of the seven hundred odd games you have on steam, how many would you actually miss to the point of being willing to spend money to replace them?

>>388373451
Yes, you're correct, but the reality is, that's how it has to be for this situation. I agree, buying physical would be nice, but for the PC realm, that's becoming extinct. That's why I say it's the lesser of evils. You do actually own your game, but you gotta make sure you have it.

>>388373674
>out of the seven hundred odd games you have on steam, how many would you actually miss to the point of being willing to spend money to replace them?
probably 10

>>388373663
I was implying that gog is the lesser evil, but there is g2a for people who don't care about the developer

>>388363939
You contradicted your own post. Clearly Gabe didn't want money when he greenlit Artifact, or think he would profit from a shit idea.

There is no such thing as DRM-free when it comes to digital media.

>>388374139
That's retarded unless you're trying to argue a point similar to "you need a computer to play those games, DRMDRMDRM"

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>>388373867
You caught me

Are your parents aware of how worthless you've become?

You should be more afraid of the Valve Jewnopoly.

>>388359760
who cares?
If steam goes down and I lose access to my games I'll legally pirate them
If anyone has a problem with me doing that I'll show my receipts from me buying the game from valve and tell them to fuck off
that'll be the day copyright laws will be shaken a bit though

>>388373567
Why not just torrent?
Don't tell me you actually enjoy these shitty multiplayer games anon...

>>388375397
I don't want to deal with piracy issue. I bought my game, that's good enough.

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>>388372872
>North Korea Nukes the US in my lifetime
>I die in the blast