Why do I see so many people like TGBS assblasted because of the

>>388331045
just play kiwami, i dunno about any content differences but Yakuza 1's forced English dub is absolutely insufferable

>>388331045
Anon, the more exposure you get to the series, the more you will know that nothing is important.

>>388331045
>secondaries not starting from the original
>they'll never experience the artistic vision and brilliance of the originals over the sterile garbage of the remakes
Fuck off

>>388331373
Explain what artistic vision and brilliance you are referring to.

>>388331519

Mark Hamill's peformances, obviously.

>>388331519
If you're too stupid to realize how much of a retard you are by not starting at the originals vs playing sterile bland and boring remakes. You're beyond help and I hope you consider suicide.

>>388331606

How about you present an actual argument, rather than a tantrum?

>>388331606
OP here, please explain.

>>388331045
>didn't bother updating the lip movement for scenes that existed in the original so they stand out even more due to the better visuals
but that is just me with my animation autism

>>388331606
I get that you're having a bad day, but an explanation would be nice.

>>388331670
This is exactly what I mean. Little niggers who need to be spoonfed because their low IQ prevents them from doing so. Fuck off kid, you're exactly the reason why secondaries are ruining the Yakuza games.

>>388331606
>NEW GAMES ARE BAD REEEEEEEEEEEE
>HOW?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>388331373
Please, get a tripcode already.

>>388331875
Goddamn HBH or TGBS calm down, I dont like some of the changes made in Kiwami 2 but there's room for both.

>>388331606
But didn't OP say he already played the original anyway, so Kiwami wouldn't be bad to get him back into it, would be more of a nostalgic trip
>>388331045
Probably things lost in transition. But there's a big difference between something like Kiwami and say, the Ratchet and Clank Movie Remake that justifies more of the original
Honestly it doesn't matter what you start with, as long as it helps you get in and start playing more of the series and even go back to prior titles, it's ok, but that's just my thought on this.

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as a pcbro who has only played 1+2, i can't understand why anyone would recommend sitting through 1's "dub" in favour of a remake

>>388332078
>But didn't OP say he already played the original anyway,
Played Yakuza 3, not Yakuza 1 three years ago.

>>388332078
*justifies to play the original first over the remake.
If it's a shit remake, don't bother, if there's aspects lost but the game holds up seperately, play both the original and the remake at some point.
I mean people may've started with Metroid ZM than OG
Sorry to add on like that

>tfw I actually kinda enjoyed the cheesy and hilariously bad dub
Each to their own I guess.

>>388331574
Mark Hamill as in Luke Skywalker?

>>388331606
You wrote about 37 words and yet you're saying nothing.

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People can play what they want, but yakuza 1-2 are easy to emulate and extremely short. What is your excuse for not even trying it out?

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>>388331045
Just play Kiwami and eventually Kiwami 2 if you can wait so long, or just play Y2 on PS2 if you can find it or emulate or pirate it on PS2. Honsetly Y2 aged rather well in terms of combat and presentation but Y1 definitely didn't, Y2 was a huge step up.
Just enjoy the games

>>388332349
Yeah, he voiced Majima
>>388332223
Ah, sorry

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>>388332152
I started with 1+2 on pc as well, I kind of liked the shitty dub because it gave the game a certain sense of charm but that's just me, I really don't think I'd recommend the original yakuza 1 especially now since the kiwami 2 trailer convinced me that people can start the series with 0 now. But I don't get why some people are assblasted, the originals are always going to be there and people could start from which ever game they want.
>>388332418
I agree

>>388331045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC-w6bJiVjE
You'd miss out on a funny dub, that's about it and clunky controls and camera

>>388332625
Apparently because its not the same game.

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BRING THAT SHIT KAZUMA

>>388332883
I mean I get that but isn't it better to get a full brand new remake with more story and better, well everything for the most part? I dunno Yakuza 2 is one of my personal favs in the series but that remake has me interested

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>>388333059
Ten years in the joint made you a fucking pussy.

Why are Yakuzafags so assblasted over the remake? REfags didn't get like this when REmake came out

>>388334192
>Yakuzafags
Only some youtuber and his retarded parroting minions.

>>388334192

MUH SEKRET CLUB

>>388334192
Because they had to suffer through an apparently awful dub, I guess. I've never played any of the games.

>>388332349
He also voiced the Joker in Batman TAS.

that gaming brit and hyper bit make yakuza videos over the years and want to share their joy
new remakes get announced
they both get upset and say "but its not the original so itll be terrible"
"play the good version"
"yakuza was always bad"

they are both truly from this board

>>388334192
>it's okay for secondaries to ignore the series roots and to act like they know what they're talking by only playing one game

>>388331045
what the fuck are you talking about and what the fuck is a TGBS

>>388335046
"I liked the games when they were obscure nip games and now they're popular! waaaah!" -you

>>388335146
its some mediocre youtuber that started and lurks on /v/ but is often wrong

>>388335375
Better to have it be dead or obscure than have little faggots like you mucking it up and ruining it.

>>388334192
REmake was unexpected and improved upon the original in many ways; it is the example of a perfect remake
It included ideas that were scrapped from the original and on-top of that, implemented them well
It changed it comparably and didn't intend to change the style of game it was for newcomers

>>388335046
>secondaries
>secondaries
>secondaries
spot the samefag

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>>388334907
How will SEGA recover?

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>>388331045
Two main reasions. Majima and game tolernace. So Majima in 1 is the crazy ass hole your are never sure his your friend or foe the whole fucking time till a certan scene. in Kiwami he is your best bud. and it fees less impactful he feels more like just a joke then the complex dude he was. The other is do you think people that start with zero combat will be abale to tolrate some of the shit the old games did? like the loading in 1 or some of the stupid shit 3 did?

People seem to see the seiers as japanses GTA instead of the story-heavy action RPG beat-em-up that it is. so that's why they are mad. me? Play whatever you want I think playing both is a good idea. the majima shit is fun in Kiwami, it's just an odd as fuck way of him being "introduced".

>>388335453
Oh please tell me how we "secondaries" are ruining your melodramatic beat-em-up games.

>Secondaries

This shit should've stayed in /a/.

>>388335591
He started with 3 he can hardly call anyone a secondary.

>series has always been relatively obscured for years
>fanbase has been wishing that it got more exposure
>series starts getting popular and more attention from newcomers
>oldfags start getting assblasted because of their autism
Like pottery
I hope this doesn't actually turn people off from liking the games though.

>>388335046
So basically it's manchildren sperging out over nothing

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>>388336257
So there is this idea in music of "Timbre" it's the preceved feeling one gets from a song. so you listen to old 80's advert music you may feel comfort and nostliga for simpler times. you would consider that it's Timbre. it's tied heavly with emotions. I beleave games have thier own form of this. and because it is a emotional response it can get wired. So you have a game you love that has a newly devloped shit-head fan base. you end up annoyed at them for maybe making the game out to be something it's not. for them makining you look like one of them to people not in the know. so it's hard to seprate the nagative emotinal response you have to shit head fans from the games themselvs. it's a a real emotinal skill if you can however.

And anyway the only people that get mad of the use of the term secondaires are in fact secondaires. I don't get called a smash brother secondaire because i have no desire to play that game.

>>388335046
If you're playing in English you're already a secondary, so what's the difference?

Is it me or is the music in the beginning of the Fist of the north star game trailer from Yakuza?

Just listen to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBRkpUvWc2Y

>>388338283
That's a new version of receive you I guess.

>>388337290
>so it's hard to seprate the nagative emotinal response you have to shit head fans from the games themselvs.

It's only hard if you're an emotional, dramatic little bitch.

>>388331045
Well this thread wasn't too informative. Now i'm actually curious to know if there are any big differences between the two and if there's any reason to left to still play the original instead (ignoring the dub)

I played Yakuza 1 and 2 emulated this year on PC so I could catch up with the series. I think Kiwami 1 and 2 is a good substitute, especially since both games are a pain to emulate properly and are not perfect. Yakuza 2 especially is a fucking nightmare to balance correctly with settings (That, and figuring out you need to use the PAL version and not the US one).

I don't think the dub was bad on Yakuza 1 for the most part (Outside Haruka), but it is weird going from dubbed to subbed in future games.

>>388331045
Honestly I don't know why bit and brit are so mad. I mean maybe because people will play these over the original which is sad. Either or I've played all the main games and am looking forward to everything shown in the announcements as well as waiting patiently for my kiwami to come in.

>Kiwami arrived in the mail today
>That strange bug when none of the NPCs show up when Shintaro and 2 goons are walking along happens
Spooky yet hilarious.

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>>388334192
Oldfaggot yakuza player from 2005 here. Nothing wrong with the remakes. In fact after Kiwami 2 comes out it could be the last one really, Yakuza 2 is THAT good.

Anyway, if you CAN start with release order, do that. There are a few ways,
If you really cannot, then don't hassle yourself, 0 and Kiwami are there. Oldfags are not BTFO by the remakes, the problem is more when a few anons ask for advice and when you say release order a section of new yakuza fans lose their shit about this saying the old ges are worthless, that is all.

I actually liked when the series weren't that well known, the threads were much better. I even imported Y5 because I thought we wouldn't get it anymore. Then the announcement came and the threads were comfy as fuck. Even after Y5 came out there was no shitposting and newfags got hooked and played previous titles as well. After Y0 it all went downhill because it got more popular, but that's to be expected with the influx of new people. Every game I liked, the communities went to shit after they got popular. At least we're getting the games now so I'm happy about that. And before you scream muh secret club and tell me to fuck off, I don't really post here that often anymore. I just mostly lurk every now and then, but the past few days of these Yakuza threads were just horrible, full of shitposting and platform wars. I don't get the hate for the remakes as well.

>>388335453
Player since 2005 here, no it is not better, fuck off with that shit right now faggot, i wont have turds like you ruin a western Kiwami 2 release for the rest of us.

>>388336386
Oldfag here, we are not boogeymen. Carry on.

>>388340263
I don't even understand why people ask others in which order they should play the games. Shouldn't it be common sense to start in release order and work your way up? I'd understand if it's something like Final Fantasy where the games are totally unrelated. It all reminds me of sourcefags asking for source instead of looking it up themselves and using their own head.

>>388340557
Anything that becomes popular gets their community ruined. People still say the threads are comfy but all I see are bitter oldfags and retarded newfags with neutral shitposters on the side. Enjoy your Yakuza threads.

>>388331707
faggot doesnt have shit to explain. just a buttblasted weeb trying to feel superior because "muh riginals"

Reminder that people who shit on Yakuza remakes are the ones who unironically consider Resident Evil 6 a good game. Don't take these people seriously.

All of you shut the fuck up right now. All of the games are good at the very least. Even Dead Souls.

>>388341691
The only good one is 0, you fucking faggot.

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What a fuckinhg whiner.

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>>388331045
everything you need to know about the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkN9oru-qCQ

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>>388342561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZD2eufsDII

>>388331045
>Genuine curiosity anons

Yeah right. You just started a thread fueling a fire that, clearly, you're already familiar with while also mocking the people you're supposedly asking to

I don't frequent Yakuza threads all that often so I'm not exactly sure how this whole shitshow started, but i think >>388340263 is right, while it's silly of older fans to expect everyone to play the originals too many often i see the Kiwami fans provoking and mocking the very idea of holding Y1 and 2 to an higher regard, and it's dumb

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>ruined music, seriously what the fuck did they do to Funk Goes On
>Majima everywhere
>Dragon of Dojima style is worthless unless you go on and beat Majima up everywhere
>they actually changed a part of the story for this dumb feature
>bosses regenerate health unless you hit them with a heat move in a certain style for some stupid reason
>reused moves for enemies, bit of a series tradition, but it's even more obvious here since pretty much everyone here has played 0 now. Shimano is literally Mr. Shakedown
What were they thinking.

I myself started with 4 since I was broke as fuck at the time, but I can see the appreciation of why you should start with the first game to see it improve with each game as it goes on with little nods and references here and there for having played the older games first.

KILL THIS ARROGANT M O T H E R F U C K E R

At least Kiwami with Zero fixed Nishiki.

HEY YOU

>>388343819
I just hope they fix the last two points.
The Kiwami moves are dumb, and seeing GO KILL THIS ARROGANT MO THER FU CKER fighting like Baba triggered me.

What sucks is that Y2 had the boring boss finishers. I hope they don't bring that feature back

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>>388343408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMpdq-6ZgPg

>>388342252
>Whineing aboyt someone whineing

Okay.

>>388343819
>see it improve with each game

3, 5 and 6 are all worse than 2.

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>>388340827
Because often sequels perfected the formula of the original and start new storylines, which encourages people to start with them instead of caring about release order. Think of Silent Hill, I'm sure plenty of people started with 2 because it's more advanced than 1 and at the same time it doesn't spoil it because different plot. Or MGS even, like the idiot i am i started with 3 because since it was a prequel i thought it wouldn't spoil anything about 1 and 2 (and partially i was right)

>>388344140
Bradio is a good band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm1rnknsoEY

>>388342561
And now anons are shitting on him unprovoked because he dared having a dissenting opinion

300MB update for Kiwami is up in Europe. It's supposed to fix the cutscene with missing dudes.
You can play while it's downloading.

>>388331045
The reason why someone should start over with original Yakuza 1 is simply because Kiwami is a straight reskin of Yakuza 0 but with original PS2 animations.
Now this could be bad because of the progression the series has made, when playing Y3, 4 or 5 again it will not have the same gameplay as in 4 styles and 0 won't feel as good because like I said before in terms of gameplay 0 and Kiwami are the same with exception of special Kiwami moves.
Another thing is that in Yakuza 0 you had Mr. shakedown which in Kiwami is reskinned to Majima, a character that appears 3 or 4 times in the first game, in Kiwami he appears like 65 times because of the Majima everywhere system and to get some events with Majima and unlock new moves for Dragon of the Dojima style you need to fight him those 50 times which you might guess is just boring after the 10th time.
Because of 0 engine, the city isn't as atmospheric as it was before, plus the ambience and sound design sucks ass compared to Y1, again most of the audio bgm is reused from 0
Last thing would be remixed OST without the option to listen to original while playing
All this doesn't mean Kiwami is bad, it's just not a special game to start or continue the series but it was just a time waster for people to play when they were working on Y6.

>>388344603
That's really bad reasoning, because going from Y0 to Y3 is just like going from Y0 to Y6, which is inevitable.

http://www.dualshockers.com/yakuza-online-announced/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

>>388344748
I didn't say to start from 0?
I said to start with original game meaning Yakuza 1.

>>388331045
I don't really like the Majima everywhere system because it fucks with the story a bit too much for my tastes.
Otherwise Kiwami is an ok game if you liked the combat in 0.
Original 1 is still worth a playthrough if you like the series. Best version is the jap PS3 collection that has HD versions of 1 and 2 in it.

>>388344586
Shit really? That's good news.
Bit of a weird issue to have in the first place but I'm glad it's fixed.

As a long time fan it fucking sucks to see people get mad the series are getting popular. It's been great with the games get a quick localization, remaking the older games also really good it gets people into the series if they can't run through the old combat.

I thought everyone would be happy that the series is getting more fans.

>>388331045
>TGBS

Who?

>>388331045
>would I be missing something if I played Kiwami over PS2 Yakuza 1?

Good music, bosses that aren't literal damage sponges, and a Majima that isn't a complete ass clown.

>>388345918
People are happy but those fans have unreal expectations.
A studio known for releasing games every year and reusing assets like hell and they are surprised that Kiwami 2 look the same as 6 to the point Kiryu has the same model and will probably have tons of reskinned content like usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8qYs6Ya6HI

Does Yakuza Training Gear have any drawbacks?
Since it gives you 11 defense to everything, more exp, better throws and description mentions "places a lot of strain on the body"

>>388345918
Some people might've expected more popularity to translate in more fresh games and localization, maybe a newfound focus on spinoffs like the games set in ancient Japan, instead this new announcement brought in a remake and a mobile F2P game (ignoring HnK)

Plus as others already mentioned, nobody likes seeing people recommending newcomers to completely disregard the originals. Kiwami is a good game and a good option to start, but obviously people want to be able to prefer and recommend more the originals, preferably without being mocked as elitists for it

>>388331045
Nah dude. The only reason to play the original is if you're curious about how bad the dub is, and how simple the game mechanics were in comparison to the sequels. But if you just want a better game kiwami is the right choice.

>>388331045
mark hamill as majima
but you can always just watch that somewhere else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=778VDaSLeX4

>>388346518

Farewell Kiryu

>>388346757
There's the HD remasters of 1 and 2 on PS3 and Wii U if the dub bothers people so much

>>388346634
I doubt newer fans are going to enjoy the first games. The games itself aren't bad but the combat is really different.

To get introduced with the remakes is pretty good.

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>>388344140

>his suit is red over white

I like it.

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>>388331045
>>388346056
that's thin Jim Sterling

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>>388346997
I played the first game only a few months ago. Was pretty great, only issue i had was the inability to change direction during combos, although it got better once i unlocked the rear moves

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>>388346270
>Good music

This.

You can bet your ass these songs won't be in the 2 remake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT0r_UnT6bU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXkgr-2_sI

>>388347651
these songs suck by the way

HEY YOU!
WUTDAFUK

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>>388347751

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>>388331606
ok but why are you so mad

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>>388347751

I hope you're not serious..

>>388347751

t. underage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhDwx5kvG4w

is he the only person in the entire series that ever made kiryu smile?

also does he have a fucked leg? his seens like he is limping

>>388348103

Hard to walk with a dick down to you knees.

>>388347848
DAMN THAT HURTS

>>388347751

>talking shit about Crazy Ken

Get the fuck out.

Why is Y2 so expensive in bongland? I can afford Y1, I have a shit PC and I don't want to jump to PS3/PS4 yet.
The HD versions, did they ever get released overseas or is it import?

>>STUPID
>>OLD
>>FUCK

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>>388347751
tasteless

>>388331606
Not an argument

>>388348671
The HD versions are import only. Hope you know moon.

>>388344140
I like the way the hair looks on the character model

>>388348897

His hair's a little too frizzy. Everyone thinks he's black.

>>388347651
It's a sad reality but RGG studio always makes new themes for games, same thing happened with Kiwami 1.
I don't like the new opening theme but maybe the ending theme will be better.
Music aside I really hope they will fix dragon engine before Kiwami 2 release.

>>388349179
That's because everyone's retarded and can't stop thinking about the "afro push" meme

>>388348671
How much is it in bongland?
I live near Germany and Yakuza 2 costs about 20 euro used, but few years back I bough it for 25 euro new.
Before resellers catch up to Kiwami 2 announcement you can get it cheap imported if you really care that much to have physical copy of Y2 on PS2.
You can always pirate it on PS2 or play PS3 HD if you know jap.

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Well... this screenshot pretty much confirms Kiwami 2 will have RGG6 combat system.
There is another screen of Majima playable and he uses the same attack as in 0 so we can expect same combat with slight improvements ala Kiwami 1

>Can't find a Japanese .iso for Yakuza 1

Well shit. Figured it'd be more fun to play these in Japanese, but I guess I'll play the English version.

>>388337290
>the only people that get mad of the use of the term secondaires are in fact secondaires
Anyone who's playing the game in English and not Japanese is a "secondary" since their interest is driven by a derivative work and not the original. This is why complaining about secondaries on an English speaking board is utterly fucking retarded.

>>388350097
>RGG6 combat system
>Dragon Engine
>Kiryu looks like shit
>Ryuji looks like shit
>expanded story

Dropped like a brick.

>>388350209
Just google Ryu Ga Gotoku iso. a few good sites should pop up

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>>388331045
Why does it matter?

Bit and Brit are dumb for immediately assuming Kiwami 2 is gonna fall into the exact same trappings Kiwami 1 dd that - in their eyes - made it inferior to the original Yakuza 1, yes. I don't see what's so bad about providing another means of playing the earliest installments of the series, though. It still brings in people who otherwise wouldn't have played the series and could still get them to revisit older games, like the originals or everything from 3 and on.

>>388350496

Yeah I did, but I kept finding isos for the second game and a PSP game. Well there was one site that seemed to have it, it was a forum post from six years ago with the iso split between 12 links. Probably long dead, but I can't access fileserve at the moment anyway, so I'll check back later.

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STOP BUYING REMAKES

>>388331519
BRING THAT SHIT, KAZUMA

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>>388351061
No.

>>388350209
If you have a modded Wii U (and i guess PS3?) they had a Japan-only remaster

>>388351501

Oh I didn't know that. I'll see if I can find that. Thanks.

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>>388351372
post more faceapp

>>388349703
Looking up on amazon, new copy is £99, £72 used.
Go to CeX, £45, not touching those bastards at GAME (don't even sell it)
In any case I'll see if I can pirate on my PS2.
>>388348782
Ah, well shit

>>388344586
thanks!

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>>388350272
>Y6 engine

I hope this isn't true

>>388353046

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXgE8Iqgho

>>388332349
No, the other Mark Hamill.

>>388353221
There's another Mark Hamill?

>>388353046
>prefers Yakuza to remain programmed on PS3 technology forever.

>>388353046
It's real. Hopefully they fixed it by now.

>>388340263
>No physical release of Y5.

I'm still seething.

>>388331606
You are a fucking idiot.

>>388353046
They probably improved it a bit by now. The other engine is far from perfect either, the PS4 jsut bruteforces it to 60fps

Why not just try both? My 5 year old work laptop with a shit i5 can emulate yakuza, you have no excuse.

I'm a newshitter when it comes to the series. Not going to bother going back to play the originals on PS2 because I don't own a PS2 and my computer is a toaster and can't run a PS2 emulator well. So I'll just settle with the remakes.

make remake
need next gen update for it to run properly

>everyone shits on Majima Everywhere and acting like it's the worst thing to ever happen to the series
>it's actually my favourite part of the game
That Dead Souls homage was rad as fuck.

>>388354265
Ok then play them

>>388353456
Yes, because it was better, I don't mind change but it has to be a GOOD change

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>>388354564
Okay, I will!

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>>388351061
STOP HATING RE6 AND MGS4

>>388352952

Anyone have the Yakuza 2 version of this?

>>388354921
Hope you enjoy it!

Here's a remix of Push Me Under Water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=YTqAhunvxB8

Sounds decent, I think.

>>388354932
I'm surprised that he even called MGS4's plot as 'all over the place', I thought he would defend it

>>388354932
This guy is the biggest contrarian faggot I've ever seen. He basically just reads out bait threads for ad-revenue.

>>388355164

sounds eh

there's too much background noise and not enough clear focus on the bassline

>>388355164
Anyone have the song from the trailer?
What is this remix of? I don't recognize it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXgE8Iqgho

They have to understand that in Japan, they have the luxury of HD versions of 1 and 2 on both the PS3 and WiiU, unless you're a PCfag you aren't gonna have easy access to the PS2 originals without paying 40 dollars for a copy.

>>388356179
Or... you can just pirate the game on PS2?
There are 3 ways on playing any PS2 game for free.

>>388356179
They just got copies long time ago, played them and now have rose-tinted glasses.
Yeah, Yakuza 2 is good.
Yakuza 1 is and was a mediocre experiment that felt dated and didn't work properly even way back then.

Kiwami (which was a disappointment because it's a cheap cashgrab) made them feel like remakes will always be shite.

It's a valid point. But the way they express this point makes me want to punch them. They (well, Brit) sound like whiny elitists.

Like "I got into this series before you, played all the games, even bad ones, so I am superior".

Only faggots with heads up their ass act like this.

>>388356656
And before this cunt say "oh, you are a newfag, you say this only because you got into this series after 0!" - I love this series since 2011, I endured years without new released too and reviewed new titles in popular magazines and on pupular sites (not american or UK) just so people would play the damn games.

>>388331237
FUCKIN Absolutely MOTHER-FUCKIN insufferable.

MOTHER FUCKER.

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>can't into rythm games at all
>mfw still have to do the last disco battle story

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>>388356953
SHUT THE FUCK UP

YOU FUCKING PRICK