>DLC (for anything besides expansion equivalents) >Day

WANT THE BEST?
FUCK THE WEST

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>>388322603
>Yakuza
Who?

>Persona
Who?

>Bloodborne
Who?

>Gravity Rush
Who?

>MGS
Ooooohhh, the game made by a massive Westaboo!

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>>388324064
>Normalfags and casuals have garbage taste and regularly eat up derivative AAA garbage.
Color me surprised. Sales don't equal quality faggot.

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>>388324064
0/10
are you even trying?

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>>388324181
No, not really. Had I actually tried, i would have given you the more recent charts and numbers where Western games continue to BTFO any and all weeb trash. Have more stale shit instead.

>>388324273
>"Sales mean they're better!!!"
Retard.

>>388322603
Persona and MGS5 both have Day 1 DLC, pre-order bonuses, and MGS5 had microtransactions.

??

WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

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>>388324363
If your weebshit is so good, then why does nobody play it? I'll tell you why - because it's shit and nobody wants to eat shit apart from shit-eating weebcucks.

>>388324273
i was referring to your whos, i don't care about your point or the charts

>>388324426
>Why is the West responsible for popularizing
>popularizing
Of course once other companies started see it's easy money they're going to hop on the bandwagon. It's a fucking Pandora's Box of kikery that's never going to stop now unfortunately.
P5 and MGSV both got shit on for having DLC and Microtransactions, MGSV especially.

>>388324175
>thinking 4chan is hardcore
its the same as reddit nowadays

>>388324617
Sure, but now that both West and East do it, I don't really see the point in shitting on West only.

>>388322603
It's funny you have loot crates on there when Japs are probably the worst when it comes to DLC. They've made it normal and OK to release cosmetic DLC for every game that's ludicrously priced. It may not be in crates but it's no better and it was Japs and Jap companies like Capcom doing it first. Street Fighter IV and Dead Rising 2 were loaded with it and that was years ago.

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WHERE IS

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>>388324593
>le PC masterrace, fuck weeb games xD

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>>388324605
>i was referring to your whos
What's wrong with them? Nobody plays these games, they are relatively unknown weebshit titles played exclusively by shit-eating weebs. People buy consoles (note: Nintendo cultists are not "people") for Western games as is evident from the charts I've posted, not for weebshit. Not even the weebs play their own weebshit on their weebmachine, almost the entire top 20 of most popular games on the PS4 consists of Western games.

So yes, YOU WANT THE BEST? BUY FROM THE WEST!

>>388324694
They both deserve shit, but the West deserves even more shit for popularizing this garbage.

>>388324813
No one on ps4 buys them dumb fuck, it's just cod, fifa and gta like it has been for the last decade.

>>388324812
THE BEEF?

>>388322603

WHIRO PIGGU GO HOME

w-wait, I am white ... and a little overweight

oh well. I like good game

WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388322603
Only North American devs

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>>388324931
Persona 5, Bloodborne, and Dragon Quest XI have all sold 2+ million each on PS4 exclusively. The souls series have been even more successful, selling 13+ million in total.

Are they on par with the biggest AAA Western games that sell 8+ million and every normalfag and casual eats up? No. But claiming these games haven't sold well is fucking retarded.

>>388322603
You forgot on-disk DLC, I only know Capcom to have done that.

>>388324931
>casuals have shit taste and outnumber everyone
Wow what a shocking discovery.

>>388325079
>>388324812
MY WIFE'S

>>388324813
>reddit and pc players hate japanese games
what rock do you live under

>>388322603
>yakuza
lmao cheesy 4 hour long cutscenes with filler clunky fist fights

>>388325267
>2+ million
That's chump change, bub.

>13+ million in total.
>for an entire meme franchise of 5 games
>a lot
LMAO. Do you want to count how many copies the entire COD franchise sold?

>these games haven't sold well
They haven't, not relative to superior Western titles that are bought and played by everyone and their dog.

>>388324919
>but the West deserves even more shit for popularizing this garbage.
And the east deserve just as much for kissing up to it. Stop looking the other way you delusional weeb

>>388325452
Generalizing obviously, but they don't outright hate Japanese games. It's more like they're casuals and therefore tend to eat up more mainstream Western games.

MGSV is cancer with a shoehorned mobile timegating P2W lootbox system implemented for its multiplayer. Otherwise decent list of games. Though you're still a pathetic incel weeb and should have a bottle of Tylenol for lunch.

>>388322603
Only mario and soulsborne games are good jap games though.

>>388324931
is that why Nier:A sales are more than double on the ps4 compared to pc?

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>>388325537
>sales equal quality

>>388325569
>Jewish Western devs open up a Pandora's Box of kikery to the point where almost every company has to follow suit if they want to stay competitive and profitable
>"B-b-b-both sides are equal"

>>388325635
it sold shit on both kek

>>388322603
WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

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>>388325653
>m-my weeb game is g-good, I s-swear!
>it doesn't m-matter that nobody wants to p-play it, it's g-good because I s-say so!

>>388325537
you seem desperate pclard. Ps4 and Switch will be the home of japanes games forever. stay salty and keep begging.

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>>388324896
>Nintendo cultists are not "people"
have you ever just stoped and thought "man, /v/ is taking over my life maybe i should stop"? cause you seriously should

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>>388322603
>DLC (for anything besides expansion equivalents)
>Pre-order bonuses
>Microtransactions
>Lootboxes

you don't play much japanese games do you?

>>388325267
P5 was on PS3 as well, not to sound nitpicky but are the sales indicators for P5 factor in both platforms or just one?

WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388325758
no it didn't. Nier sales outdid square's expectations and saved platinum games. All thanks to ps4 gamers.

Please, don't use Yakuza for shitposting, we already have enough retards spamming in our threads.

>>388325774
What will you say when pubg eventually gets ported and outsells every ps4 exclusive game combined?

sega is an american company you stupid fucks

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>>388325770
Have fun eating up whatever derivative garbage that AAA Western industry feeds you then with additional "optional" microtransactions, lootboxes, and DLC.

>>388325862
the same thing you say when call of duty has outsold system shock 2 a thousand-fold

WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388325823
>popularizing

>>388324919
Japan would have done it anyway because they fucking suck mobile games from the teat (and lets face it mobile games have nothing going for them aside from being a potential piggy bank for devs nickel and diming morons who play them) and sink a ton of money on gacha shit like Fate GO or LL

>>388325862
Who gives a fuck about sales? It doesn't make it a better game retard.

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>>388325875
>Have fun eating up whatever the AAA Western industry feeds you
Thanks, I will. After all, I only play the absolute best videogame industry has to offer.

>>388325862
what is there to say? ps4 has a big install base full of paying customers who buy games. east, west, it doesn't matter. sure some games will sell better than others but any quality game on the ps4 will mean great success for their respective developers.

>>388325875
>he thinks weeb games don't have retarded amounts of dlc

Let's be honest. There's garbage on both sides. We agree that while Japan reaches the highest highs, the West does pretty well, too.

>BUT THERE'S GARBAGE IN JAPAN TOO

Let's stop right there. Let's compare Japanese indie garbage to western indie garbage, Japanese mobage to western mobile games. Japan is several levels ahead of the West and the West simply doesn't care. When the absolute lows AND the absolute highs on one side are both higher than those of the other, what can we say but conclude the former is better?

>>388326028
>buys Destiny 2
>"wow this truly is the best the industry has to offer"
>can't play it 5-10 years when the severs get shut down.

>>388324593
>nobody cares
some pcbro cared enough to make a shitty edit of that picture

>>388326110
>Why is the West responsible for popularizing every single cancerous practice in the gaming industry?
>Why is the West responsible for popularizing
>popularizing

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>>388325953
and yet japanese practice them while cranking it to eleven (heh), your point?

>>388322603
>kusoge
>bland self insert MCs and generic anime waifus
>gachashit
>complete inability to manage IPs
>terrible rushed PC ports to snag extra money from clueless weebs
Why is the East responsible for popularizing every single cancerous practice in the gaming industry?

>>388326027
>It doesn't make it a better game retard.
It doesn't, but only good games actually sell. Videogames are art and the value of a piece of art depends on its ability to influence the audience. True priceless pieces of art are recognized unanimously by the entire world, same applies to games - actually good games always have the biggest playerbases. There is no other objective measure of quality for a videogame other than the size of the audience it has managed to capture.

>>388326272
>True priceless pieces of art are recognized unanimously by the entire world
True are is incomprehensible, brainlet.

Only casuals play non-Blizzard and non-Valve games.

I hope you are not a casual.

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>>388326272
>but only good games actually sell.

>>388326389
>t. hearthstone/dota pro

>>388322603
WHITE PIGGU GO HOME

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>>388326249
Your point?

>>388326371
>cannot comprehend the concept of art and how its value is determined
>calls someone a brainlet
The ironing!

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>>388326272
>but only good games actually sell
>actually good games always have the biggest playerbases.

>>388326447
t. Pokemon Go master

>>388326550
>actually good games always have the biggest playerbases.
Prove it's not so then. Prove that DOTA2 is not the best game in the world.

>>388326509
Who made you the arbiter of how art is valuated, brainlet?

>>388326389
>Blizzard and Valve games aren't played by mounds of casuals
How retarded do you have to be to actually think this?

>>388326631
>Prove that DOTA2 is not the best game in the world.
It's an ASSFAGGOTS game. There, that was easy.

>>388326631
ASSFAGGOTS

>>388325589
>It's more like they're casuals and therefore tend to eat up more mainstream Western games.
As opposed to what? console players are just as casual if not more seeing how FIFA, COD and BF are always the highest selling games, every god damn year.
and those three games have been selling less and less on PC, COD barely has an audience on PC anymore, and mainstream AAA also sell way less than on consoles.
not to mention its not like PC players have much of an option, most games on Steam are western, until last few years were the Japs started porting some games.
they love Dark Souls, Vanquish, Bayonetta and more..

>>388326649
>Who made you the arbiter of how art is valuated
I don't "valuate" the art, brainlet. The audience does. A piece of art without an audience has no value, it's worthless trash.

>>388326693
>>388326791
The entire gaming community disagrees, which makes both of you contrarians by definition and your opinions - worthless waste of air.

>>388326904
>A piece of art without an audience has no value
brainless plebeian spotted

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>Mfw west is dead
The west at their best>>>Japan at their best
Japan now>>>>>>The west now

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>>388326485
jap cancer is the most ravenous.

>>388322603
>WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388326940
Well, at least I'm not delusional like you.

>>388327010
Buying one to give you the thing on both versions is just about tree fiddy times more generous than the western vidya industry has ever been

>>388326904
>The entire gaming community disagrees
is that why they all play pubg and dota 2 is dying? :)

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>>388326485
my point is japan isn't as pure and holy as you think.

also, gachapon, the mother of all lootboxes are popular long before the west start implements them on their video games

>>388327150
PUBG is the second best game right now, it's almost up there with DOTA2 and will probably claim its mantle as soon as the game becomes somewhat more optimized and gets more content. I don't see anything wrong with this.

>>388322603
WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388327273
of course you don't :)
tell me again how CoD is the best game series ever made, i want a good chuckle

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>>388326865
>As opposed to what? console players are just as casual if not more seeing how FIFA, COD and BF are always the highest selling games, every god damn year.
You're right, most console owners are casuals. Most people are play games are normalfags and casuals.

>and those three games have been selling less and less on PC, COD barely has an audience on PC anymore, and mainstream AAA also sell way less than on consoles.
PC kiddies gravitate more towards games like LoL, Dota 2, Overwatch, and PUBG instead of shit like FIFA and Assassins Creed. They're still incredibly mainstream, just not the exact same type of mainstream you find with console casuals. Even still, there's overlap with games like Fallout 4, No Man's Sky, Skyrim, and Battlefield success-wise on both PC and consoles. Read the chart >>388324175 post, it's a good reference.

>not to mention its not like PC players have much of an option, most games on Steam are western, until last few years were the Japs started porting some games.
>they love Dark Souls, Vanquish, Bayonetta and more..
The only majorly successful port you listed is Dark Souls. Both Vanquish and Bayonetta came out years after their initial releases and aren't nearly as popular, they aren't representative of the most PC kiddies actually play.

>>388327336
CoD is one of the best game series ever made, because it has managed to capture an audience of which most games can only dream of. There can be no better praise or recognition for a piece of art. Now, tell me it's not, so that I could ignore your worthless opinion.

>>388322603
When enough casuals are in the market, they don't see how this is bullshit.

Day 1 DLC and pre-order bonuses are seen as more cool stuff for just a few more bucks.

Lootboxes are exciting ways to see what you're gonna get and show off to others online.

Microtransactions are just another few dollars to get ahead.

Early access makes them feel like they're ahead of the pack.

Always online isn't a problem because they always want to be online.

It's not a question of East vs. West, it's the fact that this new generation grew up with video games in this state. They don't know anything else so they don't see it as a problem. They never bought a full game and spent a few more bucks a few years later for an incredible expansion, they've always paid for pieces. To them, cosmetic items (and sometimes game-changing items) aren't and never were unlocked, they were bought or were a randomized prize from bought lootboxes.

This is games today.

>People arguing between aaa and non aaa games.
One budget is 10-20 times higher than the other, it doesn't matter when one makes 8 million sales and the other makes 2 million, in that difference, nice job ignoring that factor for your argument though.

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>>388327130
>Buying one to give you the thing on both versions
Even Microsoft does this (with full games that is, not just the dlc).

Meanwhile glorious japanese devs like Capcom release "expansion packs" and force you to buy the entire game again, full price.

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>>388322603
WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388327482
>full price
that game is like 30 for the ps4

>>388327462
You're 100% correct. The point OP is trying to make is that the West is generally responsible for popularizing all this garbage.

>>388327737
That's a matter of degree, but the fact is the industry is like this across the globe.

>>388327441
the CoD series is the definition of kitsch :)
you have no idea what true art actually is, and everything you say proves it :)

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>>388327469
>the amount of effort it takes to make a piece of art diminishes it's value
Tell me how picrelated is less valuable than a decorative urinal of a nu"Artist", simply because the amount of effort and money that went into its making is much greater, compared to the amount of effort it took to make the urinal, I'll wait.

Grand pieces of art require grand amounts of effort.

>>388327813
First of all, you do not define what poor taste is. Second, your opinion is irrelevant.

>>388327441
Not that anon. I get where you're coming from, but
>Valuing art by the amount of its admirers
I guess that makes Drake the greatest rapper of all time, Wii Sports one of the best games of all time and Stephanie Meyers a writing god. In no world would you list those things as the "best" of their medium unless you're in a business meeting.

>>388327726
I'm talking about the transition from regular Dragon's Dogma to Dark Arisen on the PS3/360. It was a big fuck you to people who purchased the initial release version.

>>388327825
work smart, not hard, brainlet

Why not just play good Western and weeb games? Dark souls is amazing, but so is PUBG. Nier is fantastic, but so is . The major difference is that games from Japanese devs are for more hardcore gamers while Western games are for casuals (unless it's an Esport game obvs). Arguing which is better is stupid because they both pander to completely different audiences.

>>388327924
I meant to say, so is FNV

>>388327924
I do play good Western games, shit like New Vegas and Deus Ex are some of my favorite games of all time. Problem is they're significantly fewer and farther between than Japan's output.

PUBG is an Early Access title loaded with Microtransactions, that's reason enough not to support it.

>>388327898
>Drake the greatest rapper of all time
Yes, prove he's not.

>Wii Sports one of the best games of all time
One of the best sports games for sure, since consideration of the genre is important as well. Prove it's not. Nobody compares film to music directly, because both of these pieces of art have their audiences, same as different genres have different playerbases.

>Stephanie Meyers a writing god
Yes, prove she's not.

>>388322603
>>DLC (for anything besides expansion equivalents)
Not a problem if it's well priced
>>Day 1 DLC
That's fucking stupid, sure
>>Pre-order bonuses
If it's unimportant physical shit or cosmetics then that's fine
>>Microtransactions
Also dumb, but only affects the phone market
>>Lootboxes
100% fine. If you don't like the idea, don't buy them.
>>Early Access
How is an open beta test bad? Now you're just finding shit to put in your daily copypasta to complain about
>>Always Online
Maybe if you fags didn't pirate half of your library and bought your games with the welfare money you got for being 12% Native American and for being bipolar, then maybe developers wouldn't have to put in anti-pirating measures in their games like always online
>>Games as a service
What's wrong with this? You pay X-Y or X/Y amount for each portion or pay the full amount for all of the game. Games as a service has so much potential to fix problems of games like how to make demos and making a game's longevity longer. On top of this, the most notable Game as a Service is Hitman, which as well received and made by the western division of Square.
Also, it's not like Japan is safe from cancerous practices.
>Megaman had some ending blatantly telling the player that there will be a sequel and almost all of them came out months between each other
>Pokemon forcing you to attend live events, have multiple playthoughts per game per gen, and having spin-offs to get 100%
>Pokemon and Smash cutting content in remakes/sequels for terrible reasons
>The shitty E-Reader cards that are basically the fore father of DLC and Microtransations
>The several thousand add-ons to Nintendo/Sega consoles to just play certain games
How come when Japan does this shit (if not worse, it's ok, but when the west does it on a more practical scale, everyone shits their pants?

grass is always greener

nobody knows what they got till it's gone

>>388322603
most of the shit that you complain about were in eastern games long before they were in western games

>>388328117
The microtransactions are just skins, it's a good thing since if you don't give a shit you can sell them for steam money

>>388322603
YELLO BARBARIU GO HOME

>>388328173
gtfo todd

>>388327894
>First of all, you do not define what poor taste is.
i don't have to, it was already clearly defined for me :)
there is nothing CoD ever did that was new or meaningful for video games or art, and its clear to see :)
just look at the stories - every single one a ripoff of another war movie :)
or the gameplay - poor man's Battlefield turned into an even poorer man's attempt at an arena shooter :)

>>388324919
Korea did it first

>>388328385
>it was already clearly defined for me
Yes, by the overall audience. "Poor taste" is something that is not wanted by the audience, which means that COD cannot be something of "poor taste" by definition, since it's very much desired. The rest of your post consists of nothing more than your irrelevant opinion, there is no point in arguing about that.

Square Enix is responsible for the new Hitman being Always Online.

>>388322603
I remember on-disk DLC being in Beautiful Katamari, a Japanese game, before anything Western

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>>388322603
>>388322694
HELL YEAH!

WHITO PIGGU GO HOME

>>388328173

>If it's unimportant physical shit or cosmetics then that's fine
Most of the time it's not though. Cosmetics are still part of the game and content shouldn't be locked behind having to buy a game early

>Also dumb, but only affects the phone market
Microtransactions are in also every single major Western AAA game now.

>100% fine. If you don't like the idea, don't buy them.
No, they're still fucking cancer for the same reason Microtransactions are. They're even worse but they lock out content behind a fucking paid gambling minigame.

>How is an open beta test bad? Now you're just finding shit to put in your daily copypasta to complain about
Early Access is bad because it allows developers to release outright unfinished games and get away scot-free. DayZ is a perfect example, millions bought the game in Early Access and 5 years later it's still an unfinished piece of shit that's not even close to being done. The developers have no reason to care because they're already gotten most of their money.

>What's wrong with this? You pay X-Y or X/Y amount for each portion or pay the full amount for all of the game. Games as a service has so much potential to fix problems of games like how to make demos and making a game's longevity longer.
Games as a Service is pure shit. I'd much rather developers using their resources to make actual sequels or brand new games than continually supporting the same stale old game for years on end.

>On top of this, the most notable Game as a Service is Hitman, which as well received and made by the western division of Square.
Hitman is one of the most egregious examples, it's a singleplayer game with absolutely no reason to be treated as a "service" other than greed. It's always online, so you won't be able to play it when the servers are shut down. And it has outright time-gated singleplayer content where if you miss an "elusive target", you will never be able to play that content again.

>>388328584
>"Poor taste" is something that is not wanted by the audience
this is so cute, watching this little plebeian pretend he actually has any idea of the definition of terms :)
and then he pretends that objective facts are just opinions :)
you're so cute, it's like watching a little child sit at the grownups table during thanksgiving :)

>>388327584
hsthd

>>388327726
nigger do you not know what happened to dark souls 2? stranger of sword city? all these fucking games that got improvements were sold at full price again

fuck the nips, 3rd nuke now

>>388328782
This is so cute, watching this little delusional narcissist pout and pretend his opinion on who the plebeian is matters. And then he pretends his subjective opinion is fact, which is even more hilarious.

Again, you do not define what "poor taste" is, you do not define anything. Everything is defined by the overall audience and the overall audience has defined that CoD is one of the best games ever made. Your pathetic attempts at arguing this fact are irrelevant.

>>388325537
>That's chump change, bub.
You don't seem to grasp the idea that everything in life in relative. There's a thing called "Sales Projection" wherein you start a project with the intent of selling X copies, and your project is funded in the correct ammount.
So if a game like GravityRush2 would sell 2 million copies it would go above and beyond anyone's expectations, it would be an amazing success. But if a CoD game sold 2 million it would be an unimaginable failure. The raw number of sales literally doesn't matter, all that matters is how closely it matches the publisher's expectations.

For Bloodborne 2 million is well over Sony's expectation (it actually sold more than that, as that number comes from the year of release, before any bundle, discount or even the DLC came out). Please grow up a little.

>>388328152
>Drake
One dimensional lyrics. Intrigue of music relies entirely on hooks and catchy beats rather than thoughtful lyrics or delivery. He doesn't write any of his own music. Mixes are braindead shit generated by white kids with a formula. Literally nothing of value, except for the "catchy" bit and that they sell. People listen to music like his a few times when it comes out, or many if it gets shoved down their throat through the fucked up radio industry, then it gets lost forever in the "Nobody gives a fuck about that shit" bin. Save for the nostalgia party playlist 15-20 years down the line when people are laughing at it.

>Wii sports
Fucking really? It's fun for a few days. It's easy to pick up. But they're mini games with literally zero depth and nuance. There's nothing to learn, very little to improve upon skill-wise.

>Stephanie Meyers
Writes fanfic that appeals to 12-18 y/o girl's fantasies. There is NOTHING to her writing but that. In that regard, it's good. But using narrative to point out deeper lessons/observations is something she simply does not do. Just like drake, one-dimensional. She doesn't even have an informed perspective on what she writes about.

Go make something. It will make you a better person and show you that the sell-ability of art is the absolute weakest trait of what it has to offer, contrary to what you appear to believe.

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>>388322603
What the fuck is wrong with Nintendo
>Splitting up fire emblem awakening and having the other content locked as DLC
>Reselling characters from older games in the series with smash 4
>Hard mode is sold through DLC with BoTW and that metroid 2 remake

Why are their 3rd party games so fucking good?
The only time I really got butthurt about dlc was smt 4's dlc but the game was fine without it, and it was only a couple dollars.

>>388329308
>One dimensional lyrics
Very nice opinion. Too bad it's irrelevant.

>It's fun for a few days. It's easy to pick up. But they're mini games with literally zero depth and nuance.
Very nice opinion. Too bad it's irrelevant.

>Writes fanfic that appeals to 12-18 y/o girl's fantasies.
Very nice opinion. Too bad it's irrelevant.

I don't think you understand how this works. You are not the audience, you are a small, insignificant part of the audience, but you are not THE audience.

>>388329459
It's okay when Nintendo does it.

It aint the devs fault if their buy everything they offer.

>>388329147
every single discipline of art has very clearly defined that overall popularity is not the mark of good art :)
you continue to embarrass yourself, its so funny to watch :)
also, everything i said about the series is fact, you would know this is if you had actually played any of the games :)
so cute, watching a pathetic plebeian baby going on about the quality of art he's never even experienced :)

>>388329646
>every single discipline of art has very clearly defined that overall popularity is not the mark of good art
And every single discipline of art is irrelevant, when it comes to defining the value of a piece of art. You can have a piece of art that perfectly conforms to the corresponding art theory, but if it has no audience, it's worthless. Nobody is going to buy it, nobody wants it.

You continue to embarrass yourself by pretending your opinions matter, it's so funny to watch.

>>388329468
Literally everything you listed was an objective fact. Your macaroni pictures of your mom taught you a lot about how to express yourself I'm sure but you're expected to know something about critical critique before you're old enough to browse this site, even as a burgerbuddy. Apply yourself.

>>388325770
>nobody wants to p-play it
2 things
1)the games aren't ghost towns so "no one is playing" isn't true,just less
2)again,the public are not the definition of good taste,something being popular does not mean good,stop this shitty bait

>>388329806
>And every single discipline of art is irrelevant, when it comes to defining the value of a piece of art.
adorable, the plebeian actually thinks his theory of popular materialism is correct :)
not only that, the plebeian thinks that this is only my opinion, instead of the objectively correct opinion held by everyone of taste :)
go try and find how many actual creators believe in your garbage ideas, it'll be good for a laugh knowing every single one will degrade you as a worthless plebeian with no understanding of art whatsoever :)

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>>388329806
>but if it has no audience, it's worthless
Van Gogh

>Yakuzafag
>Complaining about the West when playing PS3 movies

kek

>>388330748
acfag, pls give up, you will never convince people that any games with cutscenes are movies

What exactly is wrong with DLCs again? You pay extra money for extra content, it's perfectly fair.
Doom 2 is pretty much a dlc before dlcs existed (same engine as Doom 1, new levels, a few new enemies, 1 new weapon), XCOM TFTD is a dlc, addons for HoMM 3 are dlcs, etc, and I don't hear anyone bitching about them.

>>388322603
WHITO PIGGU GO HOME
>Captcha: SEGA CALLE
Yeah, even Calle plays glorious Nippon games.

>>388331272
Sega doesn't originate from Japan

Why is it so many jap games have 50 sets of costume DLC and why do you faggots keep buying it? I miss when that kind of shit was unlockable in game.

>>388331265
>you overpay extra money for content that should have been in the game in the first place, its utter garbage
fixed that for you, no need to thank me

>>388331541
Because /v/ will accept the biggest piece of DLC-infested mobileshit if Japan made it and it has waifus

>>388331542
> any new content created after the game is released has to be completely free despite the fact that it took human labor to create it
Imagine a game having 50 levels. Decide on a fair price for it. Now imagine the devs releasing 50 more levels. Do you feel entitled to have them for free, or do you agree 100 levels should cost more than 50?

>>388322603
Every game you posted has cosmetic DLC

>>388331265
>What exactly is wrong with DLCs again?
Because more often than not they're made like this:
>Company makes a game
>Company makes the DLC
>Company either releases the DLC at the same time with the main game or very soon after
In other words, they have everything ready for the release date but they decide to release only a partial game and then ask you to pay extra if you want the full game. Expansion packs are completely fine (e.g. Shivering Isles for Oblivion, which was released a year after the main game and adds like 30 hours of gameplay) but most modern day DLC consists of like one or two missions that should have been a part of the main game instead of costing an additional 15-20% of the full game's price while only giving you around 5% more gameplay time.

>>388331265
The problem is the "extra" content bit. Devs used to develop the game, go gold, then work on DLC once the original game was tip-top.

The issue is that they stopped with the "extra" bit. Development on DLC started at a point when previously the base game would still be under development. Games from larger developers like Activision and EA started to become noticeably less bulky but by many more DLC packs, and they would come much closer to launch. We started getting less for our $60 but those DLC packs started getting pushed in our faces.

It eventually got to the point where we have games like Destiny, where the initial $60 game has little more content than was DLC's used to provide, and people don't see it as a full game until 60 more dollars in DLC later, with finished assets for the DLCs being found in the game at launch.

>>388331887
Nobody is talking about proper expansion packs that are as long as the main game. We're talking about shitty day one DLCs that are essentially just small parts of the main game sold separately in order to make more money.

>>388332130
Being released on the same day as the main game doesn't automatically invalidate DLCs? If Shivering Isles were a day 1 expansion pack, but featured the same 30 extra hours of content at the same price, would you call them garbage?
Unfair price/content ratio is the valid point, but that's not a problem inherent in the DLC format, it's just devs being greedy cunts. Main games with no DLCs can be overpriced too.

>>388332476
>If Shivering Isles were a day 1 expansion pack, but featured the same 30 extra hours of content at the same price, would you call them garbage?
I would call out the company for jewing, yes, because in that case they would have been working on the DLC along with the main game. Now the question is: if they're both ready at the same time, why release them separately? Why not just release one complete game? Well the answer is very simple, and it's money. Basically, DLC should work like this:
>Devs start making a game
>They add everything they have into it and release a complete game consisting of all their ideas that they want to be released
>Game comes out
>Later, IF the devs get some good new ideas that they want to add to the game, they can release and expansion pack
Day one DLC, no matter how good, is essentially just saying "Sorry, you'll have to pay extra if you want to buy the whole game".

>>388333223
>if they're both ready at the same time, why release them separately?
To allow more flexibility? Assuming the price/content ratios are fair for both the main game and the expansion, having them sold separately is, in fact, better for the player. This way I can choose if I only want the main story (which costs less than I would have paid if they released both halves together only) or both (costs exaclty the same as the together variant). Or I can buy the main game and then buy the expansion only if I liked the main part, instead of blindly investing into a huge package that I might not even like.
It's not like the games without day 1 dlcs are "incomplete", dlcs generally contain non-main plot stuff.

>>388333863
>(which costs less than I would have paid if they released both halves together only)
And here's the issue because it doesn't work like that. Day one DLC or not, the main game always has that 60€ price tag on it with the DLC being extra, which means that you have to pay at least 70€ for the full experience. I legitimately cannot think of a single modern game that works like you said, i.e. ~40€ for the main game and ~20€ for an expansion pack released at the same time. No, it always like this:
>Partial game sold at the price of a full game
>Day one DLC costs extra
And this is the reason why people hate DLC jewing. Sure, if it worked like you said then I guess day one DLC would be fine but you'll never see incomplete games sold at a lower price.

>>388333863
70 IQ.

>>388322603
GAIJIN PIGGU GO KAEROU,

>>388326152
>highest highs
Last time I checked Quake 3 and Tribes 2 are western

>>388332476
> If Shivering Isles were a day 1 expansion pack, but featured the same 30 extra hours of content at the same price, would you call them garbage?
If shivering isles were released at the same time as the main game, people would rightfully be pissed that they cut a sizeable portion out of a finished game to sell seperately, so yeah, they would be garbage and much worse.

>>388336178
>so yeah, they would be garbage and much worse
Doesn't that sound absurd? The expansion pack is either garbage or good solely because of its release date despite having the exact same content? If it was developed parallel to the main game it's a part of it, and if it was developed later it's not, despite having the exact same storyline disconnected from the main one?