A reminder. >inb4 polygon https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/

The article isn't wrong at all, for some odd reason we've all dreamed up Valve to be some champion of the players company when in reality it's not.

Valve maybe at a time was a happy, warm and great company but not anymore.

>>388287032
>posting links from Polygon
>not posting an Archive link

Come on, anon. You're better than this.

>polygon
uhhhh...no

Not clicking this shit

>>388287032

how about fuck off nu-male

>>388287639
i'm on my phone at the moment, on a busride home. That shit takes too much work and if I stare at text on a phone for too long while on a bus I get motionsick.
Sorry anon

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>>388287719
phoneposters need to take a leap

>>388287483
>Valve maybe at a time was a happy, warm and great company but not anymore.
>inb4 grandpa

It never was, faggot.
No one here old enough to remember the shitstorm with CS1.6 or older. It gave them the name Steaming Pile of Shit.

>>388287032
Steam is good, because it offers the most features and lowest prices. Origins is shit, because it has no games. Furthermore, keys sold at the absolute lowest prices on key reseller sites are Steam keys. I don't care about anything else, all this talk about "good guy" is fucking retarded and the mongoloids spouting this nonsense should neck themselves.

>>388287483
I got 40 games for an average of $2 each this summer. Happy, warm, and GREAT.

>>388287951
You didn't buy those games, you rented a license for those games
At any moment Valve could take them all away if they deem that you did something wrong
Especially considering they check accounts now to see if people buy games from key resellers

>>388287916
And here we have the typical steam goy. Steam has been building it's library since 2000 and fucking 4 you mouth breathing pleb. You had to install steam to play HL2 and you didn't care, but suddenly when you had to do that with Origin it was 'ooohh no fucking jews installing viruses onto my system this is worst than genocide fuck ea'. The large library is exactly why steam still has a monopoly, and not supporting other platforms like GOG will ensure people continue to get jewed.

>>388288247
>>388288127

People don't read the license and agreement shit. Fucking kiddo's will grow up in years then scream at the screen why gaben took their game "rental" back.

>>388288247
I don't give a fuck about your mental gymnastics, mongoloid, I don't give a fuck about excuses. I am a consumer, I am interested in the absolute best service for the absolute lowest price and nothing compares to Steam in this regard. Their library of games, functionality of the platform, and prices (without even considering key reseller prices that make Steam even more attractive) are the absolute best on the market, nothing even comes close. I don't give a shit about "monopolys" or "good guys", I give a shit about my wallet and convenience and, since Steam has been and is the top dog, I assume most of the PC playerbase thinks the same. Go cry in a corner that nobody uses your shit platform, because your attempts at shilling are pathetic.

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>>388287916
>steam
>has a lot of games
>will fuck you in the ass at every possible opportunity, and if that fails then they'll try again later
>origin
>has few games
>never fucks you over, has refunds like two years before valve does them and they're actual refunds not just billing store credit
Anon you're a dumbass. It's okay to criticize something rather than being a blind ape

>>388287032
Valve has dethroned EA as the worst vidya company ever
EA is on it's way to bankruptcy but Valve will keep poisoning this industry for the next 10 years or even more

>>388288391
I can't wait and see the massive amounts of legal issues they would get into. People need to get it into their fucking heads that ToS and the like are not fucking unbreakable binding contracts and that they get thrown out of court cases all the time.

>>388288592
>I am a good goy and proud
Good for you, but you clearly don't know what the term 'mental gymnastics' means.

>>388288127
>Especially considering they check accounts now to see if people buy games from key resellers

I do that all the time and nothing has ever happened.

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> that old pic

>>388287878
As someone who played the Beta version of CS I kind of agree with this. They had totally fucked over the core fanbase by 1.3 and drove most of the best players away.

Fuck Valve. They can't even be bothered to give us a response

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>>388288807
>tfw the old steam message notification sound

>>388288774
>I am a good goy and proud

What a fucking useless response. Did you learn to argue on /pol/? Get fucked you retard.

>teehee I called him goy! I sure proved him wrong!

>>388288774
>good goy because I love cheap games
You don't even know what "goy" means, you fucking imbecile.

>>388288716
>will fuck you in the ass at every possible opportunity
Uh huh, they "fuck me over" by offering the biggest library of games at the lowest prices. At this point I don't even need to insult you.

>>388287878
What happened to CS1.6?

>>388287780
weird, this guy looks like an old bill hicks

>>388288807
>xfce
>hexchat
My nigga

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>Valve was even slapped with a court case after one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as “it.”

>>388289067
And he popped up after Hicks died...............really makes you think.

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Origin is actually better than Steam but has a worse library if it actually had shit worth purchasing more people would actually use it

>>388289170
As it stands, they don't exist to compete with Valve. They exist so they don't have to pay valve 30 fucking percent of their games sale. Competing with valve would require a considerable monetary and structural investment, as well as time.

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>>388289282
meanwhile these slavs are the only worthwhile competitor to valve, primarily attacking from a different angle with a focus on older titles and DRM free as a selling point

>>388289013
Well yeah, you don't own any of those anyways, you're just renting a license to use them
Enjoy the day when daddy Gaben cuts you off and the money you spent is wasted

>>388287032
>polygon
lel

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>>388288889
>I can't...
>remember it....
>at last I finally see.

>>388287780
Why hate phone posters?

>>388289570
>you don't own any of those anyways, you're just renting a license to use them
I am a consumer in the EU and the EU consumer protection laws ensure I will not be taken advantage of by Valve or anyone else. Really, I don't even concern myself with the technicalities or definitions used in the Steam ToS or EULAs, because they are worth less than toilet papers if they contradict the said laws. What is important to me as a consumer, is the fact that I have never been fucked over by Valve and all of my refund requests are satisfied. This is something I actually care about, I don't care about your verbal diarrhea and usage of words you don't even understand.

>>388289558
I really hope they start including some triple A titles from here on out. Bannerlord is a prime candidate.

>>388287032
took one for the team, guys
here's the text
https://pastebin.com/BLHTHTij

>>388288828
Favourite was 0.7 ~ 1.0 to be honest, 1.1~1.3 was okay with the added recoil and fall shock.

>>388289039
I'll keep it short, anything before 1.6 is god like and pure fun. Also it was free. Not to mention issues with internet/cyber cafe licensing etc. It was a long story, I'm not sure if anyone compiled a history of it but i'm sure anyone who has been rolling around the PC shootan industry more than 15 years knows this.

History will repeat itself, just like CS1.6 before and someday something else will be the catalyst since social media is the norm for outrage.

>>388287032
hook me up with an archive link someone

>>388290047
>>388289951

>>388289883
Do you actually get the money back, or is it just put into your Steam account?

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>>388289951
OP here, thanks anon

>>388287032
I don't even buy games anymore unless they're currently at 70% off or more

>>388290139
I always pay with funds from my Steam wallet, so they transfer the funds back into my wallet. I've never tried paying directly from my bank account via credit card or paypal, so I don't know what they do in that case.

>>388288127
>You didn't buy those games, you rented a license for those games
This is how all literally all commercial software has been sold since the late 1980s. Even when you were buying a CD you were buying a license, not the software itself.

>>388290230
>70% off
Well there's no other choice so it's mart move.

>>388290387
>Even when you were buying a CD you were buying a license, not the software itself.

Very true, but you can install and run the game on any system as long by law the system belongs to you and only you.

You can't do that with games that streamlined with DRM, namely valve steamworks for example. Steamworks or valve is a forced system service, either use it or you don't get to use the software.

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>after giving up on console TF2, finnaly decide to download steam
>get swam up and running, get TF2 running
>try to play the game
>the entire screen flipped sideways. Couldn't figure out eye problem, not really a PC kind of person
>after somehow pressing buttons and somehow got the screen to go from sideways to UPSIDEDOW, the white flag was raised
>deleted TF2 and steam from my laptop
>it's been 10 years
>MFW m incompetence with a computer saved me from being a steamdrone

good article but for the basic premise that people still love valve and that they haven't thoroughly worn out their 'good-guy' moniker for years now with all the shit they've pulled with greenlight and no-refunds and so on.

>>388290615
I didn't know console had TF2.
But it kinda rings a bell, PS3 ?

>>388290615
>incompetence with a computer saved me from being a steamdrone
Not sure to laugh or pity, but lucky you.

>>388289558
after the hl3 thing we could see a surge in gog numbers, i'm considering buying a new HD just to put all my game on it.

>>388290597
And in 99% of cases the game or software that you bought on that old CD wouldn't run without the CD in your drive, what is the difference? Aside from Steamworks being a much more convenient way of doing things.

>>388287032
People always hated steam. Until 2013~ I couldn't have cared less about it as a platform because I pirate games.

That said, Steam did bring fuckloads of game to PC and is quite literally invalidating the point of consoles so it's a good thing.

>a company wants your money
No fucking shit. We're here to talk about video games and PC is the best platform for playing them on. Fanboyism aside, being able to control how we play games is objectively the best case for us.

And Steam spearheads this platform.

>>388287657
>>388287687
It's just some underaged retard finally realizing Gaben isn't a retarded teddy bear.

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>>388288716
>>388289170

>Buy Battlefield 3 because Battlefield 2 was amazing
>Origin gets their shit kicked in by some script kiddies and a bunch of accounts get stolen
>Mine is one of them but I have all the relevant information to recover the account
>Doesn't work because EA is complete trash
>Send in a support ticket
>Multiple support staff leave the chat as soon as they realize why I'm contacting them
>Post on the forums and EA slaveworkers assure me they'll fix it
>Multiple posts and 6 months later they finally get me my account back
>Completely lost interest in the game by then but decide to give it a whirl
>Internet browser server lists that are laggy as all hell

The game was alright, but I'll never buy another EA product again. Combine atrocious business practices with an awful frontend and nogaems and you've got Origin.
To be clear, Steam/Valve is garbage as well, but at least its functional so I can play the games I bought over a decade ago.

>>388290770
Both ps3 and xbox 360. If you manage to get one, it's a weird time capsule.

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>That article
>muh "cold blooded corporation"

You're free to start up your own game hosting and distributing company. That's the beauty of the free market.

>>388290331
Well I have, and let me tell you it just puts it back into your Steam wallet (tho I am a fucking Leaf so idk if it would be the same for you)
Point being, if you spend any money on Steam Valve will never give it back to you
You're never truly refunded

>>388290935
That's woefully incorrect and you know it. Steam only continues to be the console of the PC userbase. You will do what they tell you because you feel you have no other choice.

>>388291059
PC gaming is dead. You now have "PC" gaming which lets you treat your $3k powerhouse like a closed platform. The current gaming market for personal computers is made almost entirely of the same children people used to despise for having Halo as their first FPS and for allowing horse armor to be a thing.

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>>388291527
ebin post newfag

>>388291527
>That's woefully incorrect and you know it.
No, it wasn't. Unless you exclusively used FOSS software which was nowhere near where it is today, outside of that almost all commercial software had aggressive DRM schemes in some form or another. You don't have an argument to stand on here.

>>388291329
>if you don't like it then do your own thing
Anon.... as Xavier once said, it helps no one to be reductive
No ones immune to critiscism just because we can do our own thing
If I wrote a shitty book, everyone is free to critiscize me because everyone can write a book- ultimately I may learn from the experience and become a better writer, but i'm not gonna tell everyone to write their own books and fuck off because ultimately I won't serve to improve from the situation

>>388289943
AAA without DRM? Someone has been hitting the moonshine again.

>>388291342
Literally took me 10 seconds to find out you're full of shit:
>Steam Wallet Refunds
>You may request a refund for Steam Wallet funds within fourteen days of purchase if they were purchased on Steam and if you have not used any of those funds.

http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/?l=english

>6. Fill out and submit the request form.
>Please click on the drop-down menu icon to select the Steam Wallet or the original payment method.
>or the original payment method

So not only can you get refunds to your card, you can also get refunds for buying Steam wallet money. The level of misinformation and shilling in this thread is hilarious.

>>388291737
You said ninety-nine percent. That's just wrong. Have you ever seen games on a CD or floppy? Are you unaware of how many games existed before the nineties that didn't have a disk at all?

>>388291790
Except the article literally had no interest in providing good constructive criticism. They just deducted everything to it being a big bad corporation that plans on taking away all of our goody boy money. It's like saying that the author of a book should be ashamed of using classic but predictable quotes to hit the demographic of the lowest common denominator for maximum amount of possible purchases.

>>388292012
By all means, list off examples of games and commercial software that didn't have at bare minimum a disk check.

I don't want to need a billion different clients to get my games, if that means having everything release on steam so be it

>then just use gog
the day a publicly traded AAA publisher releases a big game DRM free will be one hell of a day, but it won't be anytime soon

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funny thread

>polygon
in a nutshell

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>>388287032
I remember that article.

>>388290615
Ctrl+Alt+Arrow Keys

>>388292180
Well yeah that's why it's called an opinon piece idiot, idk what you were expecting, not everything has to be meant for critiscism you brainless fucking retard

>>388290935
If not mistaken copyright law allows backup for the sake of backing up and personal use but not sharing. Imaging tool existed nearly a decade more and i've been using it before steam exists. So the "won't run without CD was moot unless you're talking about pre-dvd era where imaging tool and disk space was scarce.

Not to mention quite some official developers themselves made no-cd patch during early 2000.

BTW You're confusing convenience with ownership here. It's like saying "I rather not have a car to drive instead i'd rather rent a service" which the rent isn't guaranteed to be available 100% at all times.

>>388292181
Interplay. Sierra. Apogee. Bullfrog. Westwood. Some earlier Blizzard titles. A veritable shitload of flightsims and shmups. Unless something changed my old Packard Bell still has a load of DOS titles filling the hard drive to the gills. The only ones that require the disk to play are King's Quest 3/4, Warcraft 2 and Battle at Krondor.

>>388292439
Steam has a backup to disk feature, and if you want to bring disk mounting and no-cd cracks into this Steamworks is the easiest to crack DRM still in wide use right now.

I'm not confusing anything, I'm pointing out that there isn't nothing special about Valve selling licenses over steam, because that is how software has worked for decades now. If you don't like that as a concept then you are directing your anger at the wrong place.

>>388292436
Ok then Tim, thanks for shilling your shitty article then

>>388287483
>The article isn't wrong at all, for some odd reason we've all dreamed up Valve to be some champion of the players company when in reality it's not.
But they are. They care about the players, because that's good for business in the long term. This tries to be a hit piece by Polygon. They probably tried to approach Steam to force some SJW shit on them and Steam told them to fuck off, so now they're mad.

>>388292439
Technically speaking recording a tape of a television broadcast was illegal IF used to distribute to other individuals. However, you paid to view said program and as such you had the right to watch the program as you wished. There was major debate over this back in the era of TiVo or however it was spelled due to it being much, much simpler to use than a VCR and the record function.

>>388288247
> You had to install steam to play HL2 and you didn't care, but suddenly when you had to do that with Origin it was 'ooohh no fucking jews installing viruses onto my system this is worst than genocide fuck ea'.

Yeah, maybe EA should've thought about their reputation before they did all the retarded shit that they did in the past. Turns out that the reputation of a company does matter and customer trust is important.

But EA wanted profits first back then, so now they suffer the consequences. The reason Valve seems to put the players first is that this is good for business in the long run. If the players are happy with your service then they'll come back and will continue using the service. If you piss them off then you might permanently lose a customer.

I'm never installing Origin purely because it's EA. You're not burning me again, you lost your chance.

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>opinion blog

>>388288247
spoken like a true mong who has never been exposed to EA

>>388287032
>polygon

>>388292659
I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that you've rarely if ever "owned" your physical media. That only happens when someone doesn't care or lacks the most basic understanding of how to apply copyright.

What's being disputed is that while Steam does in fact sell you a license for the game they also have the ability to completely revoke your ability to play any of your licenses at any time for any reason.

Your physical media can be taken from you but demands not only legal action giving them the right to enter your home and confiscate your property/demand surrender but also paying the eighty or so people to actually let them do so without breaking a multitude of laws. Your digital media can be taken at the push of a button due to requiring Steam to be active to even use your license.

>>388293103
>on an opinion board

>>388293282
They probably approached Steam about how they're offended because of some game on Steam and asked Valve to take it down. Valve told them to fuck off, or even more likely, just ignored them. So now Polygon is mad.

Or they got paid money by EA.

ITT: Fucking retards that think Valve can take away thousands of dollars worth of purchases from millions of users all at once just because it says it in their agreement policy and actually get away with it scott free. It's the same type of retards that think if a ToS says it's okay for the company to send a gang of niggers to your house and rape your wife then it's A-ok and won't go to court at all.

>>388292837
Yeah man, that's totally why they haven't made a singleplayer game in over six years, TF2 updates have been shit, CSGO updates have been minimal at best and the Half Life series, the thing that people loved them for, has been unoffically abandoned
They don't love their fans, they love their wallets

>still reading "crunch is good, work 80 hour weeks with no overtime for someone else's benefit" polygon

>>388292659
>Steamworks is the easiest to crack DRM still in wide use right now.
Can't deny that but that's not the point, i'm still not stepping into piracy here. Handful of devs do release no-cd patch, not "cracks". Game is still in grey area so no unauthorized modification is done and no laws broken.

>isn't nothing special about Valve selling licenses over steam
But it is when all developers start to sell games that compulsary requires steam for multiplayer or even LAN. So we are stuck at either steam or no multiplayer. Also i'm not even angry at all, i'm just describing steam is going to be a big bubble to burst. Either major devs start their own DD service like how epic and bethesda is doing now or valve is going to do something that allows optional steam install. Keep going this way soon one day every dev will have their own DD service and we'll end up with 10 service running in the background.

>>388293296
Something they have never once done in the nearly 15 years Steam has been operating, would never be able to do without being flayed alive by the resulting PR disaster, and certainly they would end up in court over it.

Meanwhile I'm sure most of the physical media that was printed in 2004 isn't in very great condition today.

WTF i hate valve now

>>388293706
>Handful of devs do release no-cd patch, not "cracks".
What i meant was "Official" no-cd patch, some devs do that.

>>388293423
But Anon.

You are the faggot who agreed with their terms.
And now Gabe will remove all your games.

>>388293706
Most games sold on steam don't even use Steamworks, you can close Steam and launch their executables directly without any issue.

>>388293468
We're talking about Steam. How the fuck is this relevant here? You're grasping at straws. Valve making games is completely different from Valve running Steam.

I can't really tell if you're an EA shill or if you're that entitled that you expect a company to make a game because you want it. That if they don't they're screwing players.

>>388293725
>physical media that was printed in 2004 isn't in very great condition today.
If the noob doesn't care his possession sure, i still have my rainbow six and ghost recon and buch of other 1990s disc and box in mint condition. I backup the games into images and store the physical media properly.

>>388293532
Every single ToS ever to exist in the planet has the exact same wording or similar to it, along the lines of "we may change these any time without notice." It's worthless. ToS are there to scare retards. Show me a single example where they've closed an account for no reason and taken away the person's bought games forever. It's never happened and the "possibility" of it happening is there so people behave and follow the rules and it works. ToS are not legally binding in the way you think they are.

>>388293865
Right.

>>388294062
Also, the example in the pic is not even related to Valve itself but with the company that owns that particular game.

>>388289951
good work anon

>>388293064
>But EA wanted profits first back the
And Valve didn't? Just how severe is your brain damage? The reason valve 'works' is because there's a big library, customer support is now reliable and fully developed (it had 10+ years to do so) and mainly because it was the first platform of its kind, where most people already have a large library so they just stick with it. But when EA starts their own platform because they don't want to pay a 30 FUCKING PERCENT cut of their sales to steam, it's a reputation and greedy jew thing? You're delusional.

>>388293947
Most can't do that, especially major titles. The games that allow that are usually pretty old or pre-steam or indie, heck even most indie games won't allow you to run without steam or some modifications which breaks the copyright law.

I get some people prefers steam and how steam is doing mainly because their service of simplicity and "just wanna play though it once" or simply called as casual gaming.

Since the widespread of steam most casual players will not have such views on steam, but those who is diehard love for pc gaming before steam sees it.

Imagine apple sells their media especially music with the same method where you need itunes installed in order to listen to songs, it'll be the same thing we're talking right now.

>>388289113
good?

>>388293971
Anything can happen no matter how well you treat your discs. You can lose them in a move, they could suffer from disc rot, you could lose them in a fire, a single grain of sand could end up in the case. While outside of Valve committing PR suicide, nothing can ever happen to a steam library.

>>388294269
He's saying EA has a bad reputation because of the money grubbing they've done. Valve hasn't done anything nearly as bad. Ever.

>>388293957
>i'm entitled because I want a game development company to develop videogames
Damn, anon. I never thought about it like that before

>>388294356
>While outside of Valve committing PR suicide, nothing can ever happen to a steam library.

I believe the AIG "investors" have the same thought.

>>388294269
>don't want to pay a 30 FUCKING PERCENT cut of their sales to steam
Valve would be processing payments to EA, distributing data to EA's customers, allowing EA to use Steam's achievement/messaging/stats systems, hosting a facet of EA's social network for the game, managing some amount of troubleshooting for EA, and possibly negotiating or outright hosting matchmaking for EA. EA thought they could do all that in-house for cheaper.

>>388290878
what HL3 thing?

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>>388289113
>>388294340
>the supervisor doesn't pander to a tranny fuck and the tranny fucking sues them

I mean good, gays don't deserve the brain zapping, the trannies do

>>388294590
Read the pinned thread if you want the whole thing. A quick run down some ex-valve employee released the ep3 story.

I do not know how these half-life "fans" still can swallow anything made by valve. They're just a DD service provider these days and the games they're doing now is just cash grab from the masses who got hyped with "e-sports" along with the streamers fame.

>>388294590
Marc Laidlaw, lead writer of the Half Life series, left Valve two years ago
His NDA is now void.
He posted a metaphor-laden short story that's about a page long that's basically a summary of the events of episode three

It is, in essence, an unofficial cancellation of the series

>>388294790
but does that mean no more games? this is terrible. stupid card game.

>>388294510
Are you seriously going to try and compare a company that spent all of its money buying up bad credit card debt to Valve?

>>388294894
No more games for the Half Life series? Yeah probably
I know it sucks but it's time to let it go, anon. Don't be Father Elijah.

For Valve in general? That really depends on if one of them wants to work on it there

GOG is the best digital distribution platform right now, that said Steam is still really nice.

Their huge monopoly on the market means pure convenience, and more importantly you can get tons of great games for less than the price of a sandwich. I got fucking Mountain Blade Warband for literally 2 dollars and spent hundreds of hours or more in it.

>>388294914
>Are you seriously
Seriously ? what are doing in /v/ if you're not serious ? Look, nothing is going to change your happy innocent view on valve and their service and i get it. What i'm trying to point is nothing is permanent and contingency plans are required. Valve doesn't seem to be the type of is caring the customers and the third party developers just stuff their game with steam, once steam fucks up another DD service will pop out, how many DD we have now ? EA, Ubi, GoG , and some other regional DD ? Nexon, Tencent ?

>>388295114
As long GoG doesn't force compulsary install of the galaxy service, yeah GoG is best right now aside from small library compared to steam. But it's getting bigger each weeks tho.

>>388294779
They've switched to a model which has great technical, monetary, and man-hours scaling. My concern is if there's any excess from that scaling, or if all gains need to spent keeping the great projects stable with slight improvements.

>>388295292
GOG also actually puts work into making the older games run on modern systems, even if it just means having a batch file for a preconfigured Dosbox.

Not a fan of polygon by any means but every word of this article was correct
We all took a hearty Valvepill today

>>388295303
>if all gains need to spent keeping the great projects stable with slight improvements.

Valve is able to pull out millions for prize money, now are those money from their own past profit or sponsors ? if it was sponsors then i'd say valve is just neck above water.
Most major companies or small companies work the same.

>>388295401
>GOG also actually puts work into making the older games run on modern systems
Which is my point >>388293809, people thinks valve is the only one doing official update and keeping their game safe and sound while other's been doing it without the need of a client or DRM infrastructure. Why can't valve do it ?

>>388295198
You are conflating a company that pissed billions away in idiotic investments that anyone could have told them were bad, to a company that prints billions of dollars every year with very little in the way of expensive. Valve is also a private company and not publicly traded, so they are more insulated against market forces and investors pushing them to do anything to up profit margins.

>>388295492
What's the cost of the venue, technical staff, performers (musical and voice), equipment, merchandise, advertising, infrastructure, and assets for the Battle Pass? Have they not gotten bigger and better each TI? So with the ~10% increase in revenue each TI, do those listed operation costs also increase by ~10%?

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>>388288807
I WANT THAT FUCKING OLD OLIVE GREEN UI BACK!!!!!

>>388294364
>Valve hasn't done anything nearly as bad. Ever.
It's pretty obvious you didn't read the article, or don't already know about Valve's disgusting attitude to doing everything in their power to not give into creating a refund system in regard to Australia because 'they don't operate a business in Australia'.

>>388295653
>pissed billions away in idiotic investments that anyone could have told them were bad, to a company that prints billions of dollars every year with very little in the way of expensive.

Gee this starts to sound more and more familiar, isn't it ? Let's disregard the banking for now and let me put it more direct since you still can't get my metaphor example with the bank.

Steam makes a game , fucks off the older loyal customers and enforced a service compulsory for all future games, third party devs jumps in but again compulsary drm, third party makes a successful game albeit not making much and valves buys them, now valve fucks over the old customer of the franchise and creates new audience, valve now milks or prints every kind of new cosmetics available and keep milking every drop of it, old playerbase told it's bad and fuck em but new playerbase ignores, staff don't like how it's going so they join other company and creates own IP and available on another DD service.
Now keep repeating the last part a few times we have a whole bunch of DD service. This is one part of the problem, when DD service is crowded game library is a mess as a whole which already is now with uplay and origin with their own DD plus the new epic games and bethesda in the works of making own DD service. Gaming sure is going downhill now but some don't care because as long they get to buy at convenience and play now, everything is good.

>>388294269
This guy nailed what I meant perfectly: >>388294364

EA's reputation was trash way before Origin. The likely reason Origin never took off was precisely due to the reputation. People didn't want to use EA's Origin. I'm one of those people.

>>388294584
I would say that they're right. They probably do get it cheaper for themselves in terms of cost. The question is how many sales they lose because their games require Origin.

>>388295492
>Valve is able to pull out millions for prize money, now are those money from their own past profit or sponsors ? if it was sponsors then i'd say valve is just neck above water.
>Most major companies or small companies work the same.
The viewers of the tournament pay for it. In fact, Valve makes tens of millions of dollars of profit from these tournaments.
The way the prize pool in The International works is that Dota players can buy a Compendium. It's basically some in game item where they can predict the tournament results. If they get it right they get some items. There are some consumable type things that you can buy to make your Compendium better. They give some game reward boosts for the duration of the tournament. Now a portion of those sales are slated to go into the prize pool of the tournament and the players get hyped about the prize pool increasing so they spend more money.

So not only does Valve get the players to pay for the prize pool, Valve takes the majority of the money from that and pockets it. This most definitely covers all tournament costs.

>>388296278
Also, valve's own word is it's own demise.

Piracy is a service issue, but now for PC gaming piracy is not an issue and never was. We have just created a service that was aimed mainly for making more money for the company instead of helping the customers by using piracy as an excuse. Now everyone wants a piece of the "excuse" for making money, next 10 years we will have at least 5 clients running in the background catering games which could have stayed on steam if people starts questioning valve.

Valve isn't fully bad, but every criticism aimed at valve ended up being shot down by their fans blindly thinking as a threat.

>>388296278
I don't understand what any of that aimless rambling has to do with Steam as a platform or Valve as a company going bust.

>>388296289
>The likely reason Origin never took off was precisely due to the reputation
C'mon, you can't be this clueless m8. Everybody who plays EA games today goes through Origin - that includes Battlefield. It's just a platform for its own games.

>>388295785
>What's the cost of the venue, technical staff, performers (musical and voice), equipment, merchandise, advertising, infrastructure, and assets for the Battle Pass? Have they not gotten bigger and better each TI? So with the ~10% increase in revenue each TI, do those listed operation costs also increase by ~10%?
It doesn't matter. 25% of all Battle Passes in 2017 went into the prize pool of TI 2017.

The prize pool got up to $24.8 million. this means that the players paid something along the lines of $92 million to Valve in Battle Passes. I would hope that $70 million is enough to cover an event like The International.

Basically, The International literally prints money for Valve. They likely make a larger profit off of that than many developers on a whole game.

>>388296476
>Valve get the players to pay for the prize pool, Valve takes the majority of the money from that and pockets it. This most definitely covers all tournament costs.

Well i can definitely confirm valve is neck above water now. I better store those games before they inject a new "service" into the DLLs and EXEs.

>>388296673
>C'mon, you can't be this clueless m8. Everybody who plays EA games today goes through Origin - that includes Battlefield. It's just a platform for its own games.
And there are quite many people who will never play any of those games purely because they require Origin. I'm one of those people.

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>>388287032
>polygon

>>388296627
>aimless rambling
Well then i'm going to stop here. I see no point showing you "points" while you still got stuck about "company going bust".

>>388296161
nobody should live in Australia anyways.

>>388296697
>Well i can definitely confirm valve is neck above water now. I better store those games before they inject a new "service" into the DLLs and EXEs.
Why? Valve offers a spectacle, a tournament that people want to watch and pay for. They don't even do any scumbag marketing on it. It quite literally states right above buying those Compendiums and Battle Passes that 25% of that money goes into the prize pool. It's not hidden in some small text or anything. Everybody should know what they're getting into. People still support it.

>>388289113
>Hey can you do it (work) for me
>Omg i can't even believe this transphobia urg

Did they hire Laura Kate Dale?

>>388296762
What if i told you what polygon posted was actually fortold and discussed back during the emergence of steam ? polygon just amplified it with their "POLYGON" rep ?

>>388287032

>Posting stuff from Polygon

Fucking cuck.

>>388296796
The entire point is that a Steam library is more reliable than physical media as long as Valve continues to exist. Outside of Valve purposefully killing themselves off there is nothing that could stop Steam from being massively profitable.

>>388290597
>Very true, but you can install and run the game on any system as long by law the system belongs to you and only you.
family share is a thing

>>388288889
>remove the new sound with the old sound
>they fixed it so that steam constantly updated and removes it no matter what
I want to go back.