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>game has a trans character >/v/ hates it So, you guys

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>game has a trans character
>/v/ hates it

So, you guys will finally admit you're both homo and transphobic now, right?
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Yes, where do you think you are?
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What'd'you mean, admit?
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ill be whatever you want me to be. now cough up a homo basher so i can get to work
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>>388203926
>game is a work of fiction
>instead of putting in 10 normal people as the characters, they throw in one tranny to be progressive
>.3% of the US population is trans according to google (probably still high)
>the trans character does nothing to change the game's story in any meaningful way
>blatant pandering

you enjoy things like this?
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>>388203926
i think its because the character says so immediately
/v/ hates it as it is forced and not a true representation
how many trans people tell people there trans when they've only just met them
i don't think the writers knew any so the put the character in and made it obvious to pat themselves on the back about how progressive they are
but its not a true representation of trans people this is bioware actually being bigoted as they don't care about the characters personality just that she's trans, all she is is a token character and no more
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Never denied it.
Fuck the gays.
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What's wrong with being transphobic? Trans people are transphobic themselves.
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Catherine has a trans character and everyone loves that game.
It's not the character, it's the tokenism. Tokenism used to be frowned upon, now it's all people want.
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Maybe I'm foolish or maybe I'm blind
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It just had no value to anyone. If the person is passable, then they have no reason to announce they're trans unless you're about to fuck them. Which is a situation that could actually exist in Mass Effect, and would have been the interesting thing to do but Bioware doesn't have nearly big enough balls to actually make a main character trans.

So basically they were afraid of doing it right because it would offend their target audience too much, but they had to put something in because how else are they going to virtue signal? Then ultimately they just end up offending literally everyone, including the very people they're trying to support, with a poorly written nothing character.
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>if you're disgusted by something you're afraid of it
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I can at least take joy in the fact that it backfired and the trannies fucking hated it. They even had to "patch" the character because they fucked it up so badly.
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>>388203926
>"oh hey stranger i just met, let me tell you my backstory and also my old name"
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>>388203926
Not every game with a trans /v/ hates
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>>388204356
This.
If anything it proves they no nothing about them and have no concern in attempting to flesh out the character. and have their defining characteristic being trans.
It's like putting a black guy solely for the sake of being black
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>>388204287
I really don't mind.
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>>388204356
>>388204545
>>388204568
these
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>>388203926
>admit
/v/ regularly prattles on about how much they hate transgender people in between threads about which of their waifus' cock would be the most fun to suck and sit on.
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>>388204690
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>>388204356
trannies will tell you within the first 2 minutes of meeting you that they wanna have their dick cut off and turned into a meatpocket, so he was the best written character in that shit game
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>>388204690
These are the fucking best.
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>>388204658
im not supprised
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Do actual post op tranny's always bring up the fact that they're tranny's and talk about their old identity, or is it only new age tranny's that do it for attention as they have no other aspect that makes them "interesting" so they rely on being trans?
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>>388203926
that was so poorly done even bioware acknowledged their fuckup and redid the dialogue tree with new lines
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DON'T PUT THE BLAME ON ME
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>>388204356
It's the future though. They're more enlightened. It's like Captain Picard. Why haven't they used technology to cure his baldness? Because in the future people won't care.
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>>388204761
You don't play games for entertainment? "I don't mind" is good enough for you?
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>>388204658
Yeah and they did so before fixing the metric shitton of technical issues the game had at launch.
What a joke.
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>>388204642
Phobia means aversion
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>>388203926
And?
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>>388203926
i'm trans and i don't like that dialog. it feels weird, out of place. like i'd never say that.
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>>388204849
they seem to hate to talk about the past and only seem to talk about being trans with very close friends or other trans people
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I'm a
>homo
>transphobic
>bigot
>racist
what you gonna do about it?
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>>388204849
more the latter. a big black ((woman)) sat down at our blackjack table last week at the casino and within 5 mins he told everyone he was trans
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>>388204690

>neurosexist

Is there a site that lists all their made up -sexist and pronouns? That shit is hilarious
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>>388204886
Yeah, it's good enough for me. If it doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment, it's not a problem. If you ask me about the colour of the wallpaper in Andromeda, I don't mind either. I have no strong opinion on it.
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>>388203926
Jesus that's so horribly introduced it almost feels like a parody.
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>>388204875
if its the future and people don't care why should she feel the need to raise it at all
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>>388204956
phobia means irrational fear
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>>388204967
You literally just did though.
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>>388204967
Why transition when you could just crossdress in private like normal men?
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>>388203926
>game has a trans character that is in the game for nothing more than checking a box
FTFY
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>>388204672
This
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>>388205064
Because the question was about her old life?
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If you hate trans people you're secretly trans, sweetie
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I like dudes but trannies are even more fucked up than us gaylords.
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Trannies are mentally ill.
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>>388204875
If future people won't care why is it important to even bring up being a tranny in the first place?
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>>388204956
Phobia means "irrational fear". Which is why there is Acrophobia which - to some might seems rational - but it actually covers for the irrational part of it - e.g. not being very high up yet still being scared.
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>>388205157
THIS
if you hate gays you are also gay
if you hate niggers you are also a nigger
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>>388204912

I can't tell if this is satire or not.
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>>388205076
That's just one manifestation of the aversion. But you're right that it's always irrational.
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>>388204912

>colored hair and wacky haircuts

I love the fact that they try to hard to be unique yet all end up looking the same. Literally all drawn trans characters have colored hair on mohawks or buzzcuts. Literally all.
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>>388205147
ah sorry i haven't played the game
still seems weird to say it to someone she hardly knows
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>>388205195
I hate spiders so I'm a spider
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>>388205186
Why is it important not to?

Ask yourself, if sucking cock were more socially accepted, would you hear people talk less about it? Or more?
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>>388205076
Fearing mental illnesses is rational.
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>>388205057
But you can understand that vibrant pink decor might be somewhat distracting and off-putting, and that similarly characters and dialogue like this can be distasteful.

While you personally might not be bothered it's not hard to see how this dialogue is jarring, out-of-place and just generally poor quality, like suddenly using midi sound assets it stands out poorly, regardless of what it's actually about.
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>>388204810
This.
Fags want to seem reluctant and secretive but at the same time they can't fucking stop sending their "ambiguous" signs that everyone gets and is disgusted by.
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>>388205093
this isn't a casual conversation i'm having irl.
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>>388205157
I hate really cool people!
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Sometimes it's hard to believe it, but there was a time when EA wasn't complete shit.
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>>388205263
Jesus fucking christ a spider!
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>>388205147
No, the question was about why it moved to Andromeda, it then volunteers the information which still explains nothing about why she couldn't just do that shit back home.
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>>388204690
The level of stupid in these comics is unknown by mankind.
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>>388203926
This made me care as much as the rest of the game. Not at all
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>>388203926
>/v/
>homo
you got that right
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>>388205289
It actually isn't m8
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>>388204287
>.3%
Holy mother of fuck, that's actually a lot of people. Jesus fucking christ the world is truly plumeting into dark depths.
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>>388205195
wtf I hate lolis now
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>>388204642
not an argument
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>>388205491
Fearing all illnesses is rational.
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>>388205312
Don't move the goalposts buddy, have some self-awareness and at least learn from your mistakes.

No one needs to know the details of your personal life for your world views to matter, they're not validated by your sexual preference or what you believe yourself to be.
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delicious futas and traps are not the same as disgusting mentally ill trannies that want to have their dick chopped off and then spiral into depression knowing that they have to keep the "pussy" from healing up with disgusting habits every day of their lives
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>>388205404
Why can't you explore Andromeda at home? Real brain-scratcher there.

Look, it's not a super deep backstory. She wanted to leave behind her old life completely. That's basically it. What's so hard to understand?
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Faggot, not even trans people liked that shit character in Andromeda
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>>388205195

I hate good looking, sociable, well liked, adjusted, wealthy men
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>>388205195
stop saying the n word
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>>388205572
Do you run screaming in fear from cancer patients?
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>>388203926
>i didn't want people to know i was a tranny so i fucked off into space
>it's useless now though because i'm telling you about it
>also hainly is the best girl name i could come up with
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Actual trannies hated this character too
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>>388203926
>trans character in any game
>character just fucking drops the bomb on you after a few sentences because you are supposed to give a fuck about them after a few hours when you forget they exist.
wonder why people hate this shit.
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>>388205604
Consider the fact that you probably have a brain problem yourself
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>>388205491
And you're suddenly and authority on the matter I take it?
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>>388203926
Gas yourself feces loving faggot.
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>>388204912
at least they made all the trannies ugly
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>>388203926

I'm fine with those labels.
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>>388205639
Come back when you're 18
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>>388205603
it had a relevance to the thread topic and gave my post a different perspective than that of someone who doesn't have any personal experience with the topic.
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>>388205696
Do you sit around with ebola patients or do you keep your distance?
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>>388203926

>people knew me as Stephen.

It's so surreal.
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>>388203926

How can you have a phobia against a mental illness?

I think they should be treated to remove that illness, not indulged to make it worse.

That's like saying thinking depressed people should be treated to fix their depression is Depressophobic.
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>>388204672
"Hello everyone, I'm glad to meet you all and hope we all work well together at $newjob ! By the way, I love vaginas and I have a penis. It feels good to have a penis.

Cya at lunch !"
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Reminder that Mass Effect canonically has highly advanced genetic modification tech and they could probably just give you the chromosomes you want so you can't even resort to biological essentialism to justify misgendering people
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>>388205624
That's not the issue here, Ryder asks a character why the moved to Andromeda, the character then doesn't tell Ryder why she moved to Andromeda and just tells her backstory which has no bearing on why she decided she had to move to a different galaxy.

All she had to do was say "I wanted to explore the unknown" and that'd be fine, and then you can have Ryder ask more about her background, maybe try to find out what they're dealing with etc. and then you can bring up the trans nonsense if you need to.

And that's the issue here, it's just a poorly put together interaction that makes no sense and has two people talking at each other rather than to each other.
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>>388203926
u can hate a mental illness and not hate the person
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>>388205496
That's obviously a bullshit figure, they're trying everything they can to ramp up those numbers to make it seem more acceptable.
People who engage in same-sex sex are less than 1%.
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>>388205790
>not knowing that the mods can and will ban you for saying the n word on /v/

don't give the snowflakes a reason to hit that report button, anon!
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>>388205709
yes but at least I'm not part of a community that has a 60% suicide rate, I'm simply a garden variety degenerate
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>>388205696
People are afraid of illnesses themselves and not patients.
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>>388205685
>Some boys have a utereus
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>>388205287
>yet another food analogy
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>>388203926
I'v not bothered going through the thread but countless others have probably already said this.

The reason why this character is disliked is due to their one thing to their identity, they're a tranny. If the character was better thought out then you'd have the introduction to the character, what do they do? where do they do it? How does it help the wider project? Extra help they might need? And if the character was important enough to be further developed then it's when you add in the line where they reveal that they're glad for the fresh start as "someone" else. Not this wanky "Oh I used to be called Steve shit".
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>>388205953
I want cannibals to leave.
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>>388205730
Well, I'm rational enough, at least.
>>388205825
You didn't answer the question. Do you think fear of spiders is rational? Brown recluses exist, after all.
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Who gives a fuck? If you like trannies whatever and if you hate them whatever. Quit being so autistic and say it's 'rational' either way.

I can't wait for school to start so you sperglords all leave
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Transpeople constantly try to endoctrinate children into their mental illness. They are raping young minds with their culte of hyper sexuallity but i don't complain about that i like seeing children skip the being a child part and jump straight into the sexually active part.
Oh mama.
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>>388205195
What this >>388205503 anon said. I can't stand lolis.
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>>388203926

>so what brings you here?
>well my I was working at this clinic and then my girlfriend got raped by a bunch pakistani asylum seekers and there was this huge lawsuit where she got sued by pakistanis for not getting an abortion and so I got here

Absolutely useless information that no one needs or asked for.
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>>388205496
It's also incorrect, the last best estimate (as of June last year) had the figure at 0.6%, or about 1.4 million adults.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/How-Many-Adults-Identify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf

It's a lot less scary when you consider that you don't see 1.4 million tumblristas shitting up the place all the time, therefore only a small proportion of the transgender population push that brand of identity politics on everyone.
The description they used in the survey is also quite broad, it specifically says that you could be considered transgender without taking hormones or undergoing surgery, you just have to feel like another gender in your mind. The survey doesn't try to guess on how many of that 1.4 million actually do anything at all about their condition, I suspect the amount who even go as far as HRT is tiny.
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>>388205925

You ruined my trap to get this cancer off the board
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>>388206071
Excuse me, children cannot consent to sex.
But they're free to get their dicks snibeti snab'd off if they think they're a girl.
t. progressive pro
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>>388206104
WTF is this shit?
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>>388206104
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read all week.
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Why do games just use periods now, what happened to commas or any other form of grammar? I thought you needed a degree to write.
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>>388206091
I had a book like that, only with castles and shiet.
It was dope.
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>>388205357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ANZ4E9Ckg
I played that game with my brother so fucking much, growing up.
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>>388206018
Being afraid of insects, which can in some parts of the world kill you with a single bite - or inflict massive amount of pain, is completely rational.
It strikes me that many people in this thread don't understand that "phobia" deals with the "irrational" part of a fear - e.g. being afraid of spiders already identified not to be dangerous.
Which brings us back to gay-phobia or trans-phobia, as to what exactly does people mean when they refer to it as an irrational fear? It's not homophobic to say you don't want them kissing in public - it's not homophobic to disallow them to adopt or marry - same with "trans-phobia" - there's nothing irrational about barring them from military service - or bathrooms - or not wanting to date them - so the question is more to you - which part is irrational?
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>>388205790
stop saying it.
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>>388205878
The backstory absolutely has bearing on why she moved to a different galaxy and I just summed it up for you.

>All she had to do was say "I wanted to explore the unknown" and that'd be fine, and then you can have Ryder ask more about her background
Or they could just have her pre-empt that question because it's one more line.

>and then you can bring up the trans nonsense if you need to.
If you refer to it as "trans nonsense" there's probably little they could have done to convince you they "needed" to bring it up.

>And that's the issue here, it's just a poorly put together interaction that makes no sense and has two people talking at each other rather than to each other.
Something that probably happens hundreds of times across all AAA games and yet /v/ gets really stuck on a couple of examples.
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>>388206018
>You didn't answer the question.
You didn't answer his either, so the score is 1-1.
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>>388206178
>Excuse me, children cannot consent to sex.

They seem to be working on changing that too.
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>>388206184
>>388206193
^ this is how you spot transphobes
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>>388205930
So you're saying they fear they might have gender dysphoria themselves?
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>>388206197
Poor/rushed writers disregard reading pace.
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>>388206454
>Still couldn't answer
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>>388206423
Because it's a stupid irrelevant question and I elected to ignore it.

>>388206345
>Being afraid of insects, which can in some parts of the world kill you with a single bite - or inflict massive amount of pain, is completely rational.
So, once again, you run away screaming from houseflies?

>Which brings us back to gay-phobia or trans-phobia, as to what exactly does people mean when they refer to it as an irrational fear? It's not homophobic to say you don't want them kissing in public - it's not homophobic to disallow them to adopt or marry - same with "trans-phobia" - there's nothing irrational about barring them from military service - or bathrooms - or not wanting to date them - so the question is more to you - which part is irrational?
The part where none of it is rationally motivated.
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I don't understand why that line was in there. They're over 800 years in the future. Trans shit should either be less of an issue or nobody should care. The writer really dated the game with that line.
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>>388206454
(You)
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>>388204692
Once again for the slow kids: It's ok when Nintendo does it.
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>>388206623
>So, once again, you run away screaming from houseflies?
Not what I said at all idiot.

>The part where none of it is rationally motivated.
Start arguing anytime.
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>>388206623
>Because it's a question i couldn't answer and I elected to ignore it.
ftfy.
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>>388206393
/v/ (and a lot of other people, by the way) get stuck on this example because it proves that Bioware is lying through their teeth.
They proclaim themselves to be paragons of social justice and fringe representation but don't know the literal first thing about real trans people.
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>>388206623
Oh damn, you're a brainlet. Score is reset to 1-0, his favor.
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>>388206645
The line is there to indicate that nobody should care. Saying "I used to be Stephan" is no more remarkable than saying "I used to fill test tubes in a lab".
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>>388206253
As a child, I used to like those books where you open a page and the cut out drawings would pop out.
I want a lewd manga or doujinshi like that.

>>388206270
I had a chance to play it not that long ago at a friends place who still had a working Mega Drive and cartridges. Was still as much fun as back in the day.
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>>388203926
There's nothing phobic about it. It's just annoying when you know what they're trying to do. It's about as cynical as you can get and a clear reflection of the culture surrounding the creative process that in turn effects everything about the final product.
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>>388206393
>Or they could pre-empt that question
The issue here is that they totally skipped actually answering the main question though. Again, the issue isn't so much the information provided, it's the lack of direct interaction, Ryder does not get an answer to his question at all and just moves on anyway, making the entire dialogue feel like a waste of time.

>If you
Stop nitpicking trite like this and attaching presumed value to it. No matter what she had said there it would have been nonsense to me, since I just wanted to know why the fuck she decided to move to another galaxy since no one on this damn expedition seems to have a legitimate reason for doing something so insane and I'm starting to wonder what the fuck is going on in this ship full of lunatics.

>really gets stuck on a couple
Yes, ones that particularly stand out or are outright comically bad [glass him] shit like that, this dialogue basically just highlights exactly what's wrong with so much of the game, it summarizes it perfectly
>Pandering over substance
>Stilted, disjointed dialogue
>Nonsensical points, wasting the readers time, dialogue that goes nowhere

If you ask some stranger what they'd like for dinner, you generally want and get a fairly straightforward answer, they won't go extrapolate some exotic dish they had that one time on their vacation to the Bahamas unless you're at least somewhat acquainted.
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>>388203926
I think /v/ loves trans characters, specifically traps. They love them more than those Western devs who still don't allow players to create a convincing trap.
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>>388203926
>being afraid of mental illness/sexual fetish.
Nope just think there is 0 reason to glorify personal issues/life choices
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>>388206879
>A pop-up lewd manga/doujinshi
Fund it.
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>>388206393
>If you refer to it as "trans nonsense" there's probably little they could have done to convince you they "needed" to bring it up.
this trans nonsense is a mental illness stop fantasising someones mental illness, it doesn't help them, you or society at all
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>>388206946
>Food analogies
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>>388206765
Bioware is a favored studio of neofags and reddit, the BIDF took a break during the fallout of Andromeda, but they're back with more stupidity defending their shit games.

Can't wait till they get shut down after Anthem fails.
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>>388206091
That's the best thing I've seen all month
You're responsible for this load
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>>388206741
Are you okay anon? Maybe try actually reading what the dude is saying to you because holy fuck are you doing a poor job of responding to the content of what he just said.
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>>388206152
>0.6%, or about 1.4 million adults

That's a massive number of healthy men getting castrated. A whole generation of men has been lost. And it's only counting adults, not underage boys on hormones.

What the fuck is going on in USA? Why is nobody stopping the mass castration?
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>>388204692
>>388206737
Are you two retards
She means she stopped being a black belt and became a mom or whatever the fuck
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>>388203926
>phobic
See, the left can't help but be disengenuous about literally EVERYTHING politically related. Nor can they help but make everything they touch about politics.

See, I could understand them saying anything else that at least kept true to the wording, syntax and meaning.

But 'phobic' literally means you have a fear of homosexuals. And because they're saying you have a fear of homosexuals, your dislike is immediately irrational on account of fear being irrational (even if the cause for fear is rational). Not only that, but if the seeds for psychoanalyzing you as a closeted homosexual are there - right off the bat!

In a single label, you're both a hateful person with irrational fear of something (like you're a smaller person for it); And you're a closeted homosexual - Because it's okay for the left to label you as a homosexual and attack your sexuality, fucking bigots they are.
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>>388206741
>Not what I said at all idiot.
It's exactly what you'd been saying all along. You say it's rational to fear all mental illnesses because it's rational to fear all illnesses because ebola is dangerous. You say it's rational to fear all insects because there are insects in the world which can sting you and hurt you. These are literally your arguments. You're not very good at this rationality business.

>Start arguing anytime.
You first.

>>388206852
>>388206782
I refuse to answer an irrelevant question to satisfy a bunch of brainlets who couldn't pass logic 101. You already know the answer anyway and you should be able to realise why it doesn't matter.
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>>388207032
>Kid actually got memed into thinking food analogies are bad
>Doesn't actually know what a proper analogy is or how to use it
At least the memers on /v/ made the retards easy to spot since they'll always sperg out over what they somehow thing is a bad thing.
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>>388207184
blackbelt is a male only trainer class and she talks about the power of modern medicine
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>>388207138

Yeah seconding this guy. Don't be a retard, Anon
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>>388206765
I'm not an outsider.
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>>388207184
Anon... you don't "stop" being a black belt same as how you don't stop being a grand-prize winner at a sports event simply because you stopped practicing.

Maybe next time do some thinking before you spew stupid shit yeah?
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>>388203926
>you don't know me and i don't know you, but as a faggot ass transfaggot i have the urge to tell you i used to be a man and now i'm a woman, that's all there is to me, everything i do and who i am revolves about that, i am not interesting in any other level and my personality is bland so i make up for it by mutilating myself and pretending to be something i'm not

why is this a thing these days?
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>388207207
>I refuse to answer an irrelevant question to satisfy a bunch of brainlets who couldn't pass logic 101. You already know the answer anyway and you should be able to realise why it doesn't matter.
translated
>I can't awnser so i'll bait them for (You)s
Try again fag
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>>388207207
>reusing the same insult someone just used on you
So it's a concession is it? That's a shame, you used so many words to not say anything and in the end you couldn't even manage to keep a single point on the board.
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>>388206946
>The issue here is that they totally skipped actually answering the main question though.
No, they didn't. She's clearly running from her old life, and to illustrate that, she's mentioning aspects of her old life that she left behind.

>Stop nitpicking trite like this and attaching presumed value to it.
No.
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>>388205195
I hate macho man Randy savage
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>>388203926
The devs/publishers believed that pandering to online social political views is enough to substitute for the obvious lack of effort put into other areas of the game. Just as ME2 casualized the series to pander to the dudebro audience at the time.
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>>388207406

Because it's controversial so now everyone has to be super aggro about what they think of it. Same as every other fucking lately.
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>>388207207
>These are literally your arguments.
No these are statements to specify the difference between phobia as irrational versus rational fear, which you clearly didn't understand.

>You first.
You're the one claiming it's an irrational fear, so I ask you which part is irrational - and your response is "the part that isn't rational", e.g. a complete non-argument.
Either fuck off or defend your position.
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>>388207449
Do you need a hint? It's a formal fallacy.
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>>388206982
Let me make a patreon page and I'll make it. :^}

>>388207119
Don't lewd the lolis.
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>>388204849
The whole point of getting the surgery is to bury the last remaining maleness. Only Tumblr transtrenders are proud of being trans, most treat it as a medical condition to treat and be ashamed of. You only say your trans if it's obvious or if you're trying to get boys on 4chan to ask you for pictures of your feet and asshole.
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>>388206104
What kind of faggot play frisbee?
Its Boomerang or nothing
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>>388203926
Even trans people didn't like it. No transgender person will tell you their birth name the first time you meet them.
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>>388207451
>She's running from her old life
She had a whole galaxy to do that in, that doesn't explain in the slightest why she decided a mass exodus to an unexplored galaxy was the most expedient way of accomplishing her goals.

This is a recurring problem in Andromeda though, almost everyone just gives you some spiel about why they left their old lives behind, but no one actually gives you any damn reason as to why they decided they had to go to fucking Andromeda to do it, and in most cases a simple "go where no man had gone before" or some shit would have sufficed.

>No
Then have fun arguing with yourself I guess?
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>>388203926
>implying transniggers aren't niggers
There's a reason for everything.
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>>388205496
>>388205903
>>388206152

that's actually way less
i mean, how many trans people do you think would actually agree to a survey when anonimity is their first line of defense against violence and hate? How many even go as far as getting treatment and prescriptions instead of self-medding hormones and getting surgeries overseas?
Then add on to that all the closeted trans people that would transition giving the choice and do suffer from gender dysphoria but in fear of social repercussions and oppression decide not to.
The figure is a lot lot higher than any one of these surveys, even with inflated numbers can possibly project. You very likely have seen a trans person on the street in your lifetime, but either didn't pay enough attention to notice, they weren't actually presenting as their gender, or they were lucky/rich enough to be 99% passable
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>>388207492
Did you snap into a Slim Jim only to find out it is the inferior snack meat?
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>>388203926
>Finally
I've always hated fags and thought tranny fucks we're disgusting abominations that need to be purged
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>>388207591
tranny feet are disgusting since they're just big, smelly, manfeet.
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>>388207584
>patreon
You fucked up.
Do it anyway.
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>>388207179
>all trans people are MtF
gtfo pls
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>>388203926
I am perfectly capable of hating a game regardless of what drugs and surgeries a character may indulge in and regardless of who a character finds sexually appealing thank you very much.
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>have an idea for a game
>its about a group of people who band together to save the world from impending doom
>story has been done countless times before
>make one character gay or trans
>has no bearing on the story at all, but it shows that gays or trannies can be strong!
>game sells millions of copies
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>>388204690
Look up John Money. There actually was an attempt to raise a boy as a girl after cutting for his dick in a botched circumcision. He believed he was a boy the whole time, tore up all the dresses he gave him, got reassignment surgery to be male and married a woman, and eventually killed himself in his 30s.
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>>388203926
Witcher 3 had a gay man, a tranny and female protaganist.
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>>388207664
>Survey
>Giving up your anonymity
Pick one you dumb nigger, jesus christ you tripped on the first hurdle.
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>>388207574
>No these are statements to specify the difference between phobia as irrational versus rational fear, which you clearly didn't understand.
You literally said, and I quote:
>Fearing mental illnesses is rational.
>Fearing all illnesses is rational.
>Being afraid of insects [...] is completely rational.
I'm not the one who doesn't understand.

>You're the one claiming it's an irrational fear, so I ask you which part is irrational - and your response is "the part that isn't rational"
Actually, it was "none of it is rational". Now stop asking me to prove a negative. What's the rational motivation for wanting to keep people from kissing in public, to use just one of your examples?
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>>388207792
it also had plenty of non nu-male characters who aren't afraid to show they're manly as fuck
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>>388207664
The real issue is that the survey has no way of determining who is legitimate, who is just trolling for laughs or who is trying to push an agenda.
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>>388207792
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>>388207637
>She had a whole galaxy to do that in
Holy shit, the point was obviously that she made a radical departure from her old life. Can't get any further from her old life than Andromeda.
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>>388207891
>wang
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>>388203926
Everyone post HEROIC and BRAVE transsexual pioneers in the gaming community!
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Cuck on /v/ posts something dank and witty, everybody going to the transgender cityyyy.
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>>388207760
Don't forget Money also had him and his brother simulate heterosexual sex with each other before they'd even reached puberty. Literally child abuse, completely unsound studies; constantly cited by ignorant SJWs.
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>>388203926
Nah, people just ham-fisted diversity for the sake of diversity. When one of the character's most prominent traits/characteristics is that they're gay/trans/whatever it's just shit writing, BioWare is guilty of this far too often.
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>>388207856
>What's the rational motivation for
It spreads disease.

Also there is a difference between revulsion and fear, I find feces disgusting, this doesn't mean I'm afraid of it.
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>>388207760
Which just goes to show if someone's gender identity doesn't match what society tells them, it doesn't help to force them into it.
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>>388207730
Some day, maybe.
I'm still not confident enough in my art skills.
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>>388205195
So if I hate niggers and that in turn makes me a nigger then where's my damn welfare check?
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>>388207739
This. Trans people are 50/50 but people only complain about mtfs because they feel personally threatened by them for some reason.
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>build a colony ship to spread mankind to a new galaxy
>put tons of of homo- and transsexuals on it
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>>388207964
>she made a radical departure from her old life
>Immediately tells his former name from the past life
Brilliant.
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4chan was born homophobic. We let the furries have Friday on /b/ and it's been a slippery slope ever since.
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So there is transgender. How long until transrace?
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>game has trans character
>they don't look like a freakshow
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>>388207739
>>388208076
Like 80% of trannies are MtF.

Female trannies don't get sterilized, they can make kids unlike male trannies.
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>>388207653
>mfw regressives are fine with transsexuals but they throw a shitfit when someone says they're "transracial"
What's the matter? Isn't race just another social construct?
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>>388207964
Yes, and the issue here, along with her rambling presentation, is that the character comes off as a completely unstable lunatic.

You could argue that's accurate for a transexual, but it's a very poor way to introduce a character.
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>>388208057
Post some and let me judge.
I'll be gentle
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>>388207856
>Being afraid of insects [...] is completely rational.
Good thing you cut out the important part which was explaining exactly what you're failing at understanding this instant. I'll quote the whole thing so you can understand it - ready? Here comes the flying machine brrrr
>Being afraid of insects, which can in some parts of the world kill you with a single bite - or inflict massive amount of pain, is completely rational.
Followed by further explanations to ensure you didn't act retarded - which obviously was an impossible task to begin with
>It strikes me that many people in this thread don't understand that "phobia" deals with the "irrational" part of a fear - e.g. being afraid of spiders already identified not to be dangerous.

And now we can begin, surely.
>What's the rational motivation for wanting to keep people from kissing in public, to use just one of your examples?
Normalizing dysfunctional behaviour should not be encouraged in a healthy society.
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>>388208156
What do you base that figure off of?
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/v/ doesn't hate Andromeda, everyone hates Andromeda.

/v/ just happens to be a part of everyone.
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>>388208045
If you reach adulthood and still believe you're the opposite sex, your parents failed you.
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> Gender is a social construct.
> Being Transgender isn't.

Explain.
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>>388208291
Yeah its weird. I expected /v/ to be contrarian and praise andromeda.
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>>388208291
There's always a fuckton of normies who defend that game to hell and back though.
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>>388203926
He's just a shit character and only put there to appease white girls. Find me one person complaining about the waitress in Catherine.
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>>388208190
Well, I still need some judgement on a WIP I have. >>>/i/513743
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>>388203926
I never denied it. Homo/trans/LBBQT/whatever the fuck are absolutely terrifying with the way they've taken over modern society. They're all mentally deranged. They think the world owes them because they're gay or """identify"""" as the opposite gender or a completely made up gender. They say one bad thing about you, true or not, and you're life is over. You're seen as a bigot white supremacist who hates progression and have your public image destroyed. How did things come to this.
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>>388208460
Good thing they're the minority.
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>>388208367
Who are you asking?
Feminists? Gender is a social construct.
Trans? Gender is biological.
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>>388206538
Why though, that's part of the art of writing.
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>>388203926
>confusing hate for fear
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>>388203926
I'm neither, and I was pleasantly surprised at just how enjoyable ME:A is, despite all of /v/'s bitching.
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>>388208367
The explanation is cognitive dissonance. You know it, I know it. They don't have a rational philosophy and they don't have any integrity.
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>>388204690
>Transgenderism isn't a mental illness
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>>388208269
https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/prevalence/
This seems to suggest that MtF trannies are the overwhelming majority all over the world.
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>>388208043
>It spreads disease.
Really, that's what you're going with? They're not kissing you, you know. And should straight couples be banned from kissing in public as well? Or at all? I mean, doesn't really matter where they do it, they're still exposing mostly each other to pathogens.

>Also there is a difference between revulsion and fear
So you're changing the goalposts.

>>388208227
>Good thing you cut out the important part
No, the irrelevant part, as it does not modify the statement, only clarify it.

I'm just going to drop some logic 101 on you. You can't draw a conclusion about the whole from just a part of it. You can't say all swans are black just because you saw a black swan. And therefore you can't say that it's rational to say that all illnesses should be feared because ebola exists.

>Normalizing dysfunctional behaviour should not be encouraged in a healthy society.
Kissing people is not dysfunctional.

Look, I didn't even really want to get into your stupid hangups about sexuality and gender identity. I took issue with your irresponsible claim that mental illnesses should be feared, which is not rational, and contributes heavily to the stigma against psychiatric patients. But you haven't even acknowledged your basic flaws in reasoning there and you're already trying to move on, or "begin," as it were, because obviously justifying your irrational dislike of gay and trans people is what it's all about to you.
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>>388203926
I don't hate Andromeda because it's full of faggots and trannies.

I hate faggots and trannies because they're in Andromeda.
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>>388208449
Anon cmon man, /v/ stopped being contrarian the moment people started saying /v/ was contrarian.
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>>388208530
Motherfucker you set up that patreon right now.
it's so much better that i was expecting and the detail is amazing.
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>>388208183
>Yes, and the issue here, along with her rambling presentation, is that the character comes off as a completely unstable lunatic.
I think that's honestly projection on your part because wtf
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>>388208536
You're generalizing pretty bad here. Most gay and trans aren't as loud as a tiny majority makes them look. There are a lot of gay and trans that distance themselves from that bullshit image and attempt to live normal lives.
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>game has a trans character
>/v/ likes it

so, op you'll finally admit you're shitposting now, right?
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>>388207813
Not at all actually, if you tell the surveying person you are trans you are trusting them with your identity, you are giving up your anonymity to them and that's already a step that a no trans person i personally ever knew or talked to would be willing to take, not to mention the psychological and emotional factors, most trans people want to lead normal lives and distance themselves from being trans as much as possible and be as normal as they possibly can granted their condition.

>>388207882
That too, there is simply no way right now to tell how many trans people there truly are, at least not until the society gets over the hate for them, after that we may start seeing more realistic numbers.

>>388208076
They complain about MtFs because most of /v/ and largely most of the male part of the world are super insecure about their sexuality and feel personally threatened when a "man appropriates femininity" because they view women as sacred and pure, this is also why fat women or ugly women get a lot of shit too.
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>>388207664
>violence and hate
I wish this was true.
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>Transphobic
What's wrong with that?
Trannies are mentally fucked, toxic and annoying degenerates
Mike Pence was fucking wrong, he should order the brain zapping of trannies, not the gays.
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>neogaf getting btfo once again
You'd think they'd try and win for once.
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>>388208362
I actually entirely agree with you :^)
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>>388207893

but he specifically says he likes crossdressing and not being a gay homo
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>not even old classics are safe of the contamination
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>>388208678
No, acts of intimacy among people who aren't already close spreads disease, so being uncomfortable around displays of intimacy between strangers (even though you could infer they might not be strangers to each other) makes you associate with it as such, triggering revulsion, since the concept of empathy applies here people tend to project themselves into scenes they witness.
>Changing the goalposts
The goal has always been to explain use of "phobia" when talking about people being repulsed by transexuals is retarded, so no, the goalposts are right where they have always been. I'm also not the same guy you were talking to previously.
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>>388207792
that fashion designer elf was a crossdresser, not a fucking tranny
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>>388205639

Cry to somebody who cares, nigger.
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>>388208156
>Female trannies don't get sterilized, they can make kids unlike male trannies.

not true at all, first off, if they go on testosterone at all, they can no longer have kids, there's just no way even if they tried that baby would be healthy, secondly, they also have a Sex Reassignment Surgery just like MtFs where sex organs are operated on, often losing their child bearing functionality.

And finally, both can still have kids if they're not stupid and freeze their sperm/eggs to use later or donate to a couple who can't have kids but want to from some other disorder.

>Like 80% of trannies are MtF.
not true at all, it's closer to 60%, and even then, that number isn't pure statistics as it is affected by a number of factors:
1) Agenda pushing leftists will take any crossdresser, fetishist, or even a performer who cross-dresses as a transgender person in their statistics, there are more male crossdressers than vice versa.
2) It's much easier for MtFs to transition than FtMs, since Testosterone isn't something you can just buy, it's illegal since it can be used as doping in sport competitions and is a whole lot more dangerous than estrogen if in high doses, and even if it is taken in proper normal doses, administered through injections and everything is done right, they still need to get a surgery after a certain amount of time passes on testosterone to prevent the development of cancerous cells or some shit like that.

>>388208831
They are normal balanced individuals that contribute more to society than the average /v/ermin, and in the end that's all that matters, and if people like Mike Pence weren't around, they'd be contributing even more and nobody would ever even give a shit about trans people and just leave them alone.
>>388208805
Well it's your lucky day! It absolutely is in 99% of USA and all of third world! Only capital cities and other places populated mostly by young people are safe havens for trans people these days.
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>>388208678
You sure type a lot of shit only to say nothing at all.
>Kissing people is not dysfunctional.
Good thing you left out the homo-part, and it is indeed dysfunctional for two men to be kissing in public - same with women.

>I took issue with your irresponsible claim that mental illnesses should be feared
Which they should, mentally unstable people should not be left to roam society, they should get the help they need - not by giving in to their mental illnesses.
>because obviously justifying your irrational dislike of gay and trans people is what it's all about to you.
There you go again with your "hurr it's irrational" yet you have been unable to explain to me which part is irrational because you're a fucking retard.
Not surprised that an idiot like you that tries so hard to come across as smart turns out to be a retarded faggot.
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>>388208671
I know this is anecdotal but I will share it anyway. I know an mtf, thoroughly decent person, not a count or a whiny bitch, just happy to live and let live. I also know a ftm, molests 'his' own kids, has been in and out of prison a few times because of it. Thanks, liberal justice system, for letting a mentally ill predator commit the supreme crime over and over. Yes 'he' still has custody, and 'his' wife is a fiddler too.
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>>388208114
about that fampai
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>>388208907
OH NOT ESS JEE VEES OF THE FUTURE MADE A TIMEMACHINE AND RUIN OLD GAMES AS WE SPEAK
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>>388204356
>how many trans people tell people there trans when they've only just met them

All those who don't plan to trick you into unawarely gay sex
Being trans is all their life revolves around after all
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>>388208671
You aren't taking into account that very few ftms get surgery because it's garbage, and most of them go by unnoticed by society. A woman in jeans and a t shirt won't garner as much attention as a man in a skirt.
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>>388204994
Fuck off Milo
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>>388208831
>What's wrong with that?
Most of the "discussion" is just about the "irrational" part, there's nothing irrational about hating transfaggots.
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>>388209092
>Being trans is all their life revolves around after all
nice try nigger
>All those who don't plan to trick you into unawarely gay sex
>implying any trans person would want to have sex with you if you begged for it, nevermind "tricking" you into "gay" sex
jej m8
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>>388209084
even in language cucks are so similar between each other
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>>388203926
so, if hitler was secretly gay, you would claim that the allies knew and were just warlike homophobes, right?
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>>388208114
I'll have you know, I identify as krogran
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>>388204692
dammit i want to stick my dick in that... whatever
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>>388208757
Okay, let me try and back up here since you've obviously lost track.

Imagine you go to a job interview, and the first question is "why are you applying for this job" and you tell them "I want to run away from my old life" Do you think you have any chance in hell of getting the job?

That's what happened here, Ryder asks him why he joined the initiative, the same question the initiative will have asked when he first signed up, and his answer is in no way useful to Ryder. This isn't a social conversation between acquaintances where they want to learn more about each other, this is Ryder, who in his role as the pathfinder is trying to learn about the people he has to work with, asking someone about their place in the initiative, their old lives don't matter fuck all in this interaction.

All that character had to do is explain why she is a part of the initiative, something basic like "I used to work in a lab, and I couldn't pass up the opportunity of exploring the scientific boundaries of an unknown galaxy" and bam, Ryder knows what he's working with, someone who has a passion for science and discovery, with prior lab experience.

Instead all he knows now is that she used to be a dude and worked at a lab at some point (as a janitor for he knows) and Ryder has no clue what the persons' goals and motivations are moving forward, or what to expect from this person in the future.
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>>388207116
>Can't wait till they get shut down after Anthem fails.
Bioware is about to shutdown since 2010.
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>>388208907
In typical BG style you can still kill them, right?
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>>388208269
>>388209031
MtF trannies might even be more than 95% of all trannies. They're more afraid to come out than females.

Men usually transition for sexual reasons and not because of dysphoria. Women have no sexual reasons to turn into men because it would be downgrade from female sexuality.
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>>388208945
>No, acts of intimacy among people who aren't already close spreads disease, so being uncomfortable around displays of intimacy between strangers (even though you could infer they might not be strangers to each other) makes you associate with it as such, triggering revulsion, since the concept of empathy applies here people tend to project themselves into scenes they witness.
This is silly and I'm not going to humour you.
>The goal has always been to explain use of "phobia" when talking about people being repulsed by transexuals is retarded, so no, the goalposts are right where they have always been.
Actually nothing you just said has any particular relevance to transgender people.
>I'm also not the same guy you were talking to previously.
I figured that after I saw his reply, because one of us is capable of rational thinking.

>>388209056
>Good thing you left out the homo-part
Well, you'd have to first come up with a rational argument to make an exception for them.

>Which they should, mentally unstable people should not be left to roam society
You can't just lock them all up and throw away the key. They deserve a chance to live their lives as best they can. Your irrational fear of them shouldn't get in the way of that. Although perhaps if it gets to the point where it's pathological, you could benefit from therapy yourself.

>There you go again with your "hurr it's irrational" yet you have been unable to explain to me which part is irrational because you're a fucking retard.
Because you're not giving me anything rational to refute to begin with.

Now, I'm sorry my logic-impaired friends, but I have errands to run. Just pretend I absolutely BTFO your next posts too.
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>>388209279
Hello, Transfaggot
Cucking your dick off didnt make you any less butthurt, did it?
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>>388209031
oy vey look at the fucking tranny panderer
your kind deserve the zap as well
>WHY AREN'T EVERYONE BELIEVING IN THEIR DELUSIONAL CLAIM COMING FROM A MENTAL DISORDER BOO HOO FUCKING HOO
>WHY AREN'T THEY PANDERING TO LIKE 3 PERCENT OF THE FUCKING HUMAN POPULATION
take a look at all those loud and annoying trannies and tell me they are not mentally fucked
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>>388206104
there are more than two sports, but unlike genders, people can easily identify with more than one.
These comics are made by a not very intelligent person thinking it has figured it all out and it is so easy to make a poignant statement about it.
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You will never EVER convince me that this is somehow normal
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>>388205195
I hate 10 inches cocks
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>>388209568
>tfw you cuck your dick so hard it comes off
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>>388205467
its actually a man
the "baby" is his penis
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>>388209513
She's immortal, of course. Why would you ever allow a special snowflake to come to harm?
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>>388205290
Oh boy, one random room you don't have to explore has bright pink decor! My experience is ruined.
Grow the fuck up moron.
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>>388209625
check the /pol/ thread for the follow up pic...
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>>388203926
I'm shit-writingphobic
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. 3% of population is trans. This must be their safe haven since most of this site is fags and trans.
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>>388209542
Okay, this is bait
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>>388208801
These surveys are taken off of sample groups (i.e maybe 100 people all told) and are generally not done in person anymore anon.

The numbers right now are utterly unrealistic, not only are the sample sizes too small to accurately represent anything, there is no solid definition and the condition is more often than not self diagnosed, often even temporary (many "transexuals" or people who allegedly suffer from "gender dysphorea" think better of it after a while)

It's also hard to know where to draw the lines here, are you a man thinking you're a woman if you like to knit and play with dolls? If people tell you that you are you might start to agree with them, if people insist that you're supposed to be, even more so.
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>>388209625
it isn't but 90% lf americans do this
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>>388209567
>You can't just lock them all up and throw away the key
>I'll use hyperbole that's a good trick
I see you once again left out the part where I stated they should get the help they needed.
>Because you're not giving me anything rational to refute to begin with.
Because you're obviously a faggot yourself and thus fundamentally irrational.
Yes, run away, I am indeed tired of your stupidity and faggotry.
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>>388209625

having to shove a dildo daily on a bleeding wound to keep it from closing
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>>388209783
How?
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SJWs and anti-gamergaters are right, /v/ is full of intolerant bigots. How can you people be so full of hate?
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>>388204690
Is this edited?
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>>388208728
I still need to improve, a lot. Maybe I could finally set up a blog or just actually start using my pixiv account, as it's actually intended to be used.

>>388209290
>That's decent but proportions are fucky, her belly looks like lightweight male athlete and her breasts are misaligned.
I'll try fixing those, thank you very much!
>it looks better than those retarded clothes
I just don't know anything about designs, so I just went with random references for mahou shoujo. I'll try fixing those up, though.

>subtle pokies
Sorry, my ESL is kicking in. Can you explain what that is?
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>>388209031
>It's much easier for MtFs to transition than FtMs
Other way around. Testosterone is easy mode.
>since Testosterone isn't something you can just buy
Do you think mtfs aren't prescribed their hormones?
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>>388203926
>game has character whose gender is obvious and whose sexuality isn't raised, or at best implicit, because who gives a fuck about that in a VIDEO GAME
>sjws hate it because if the gender isn't debatable and the sexuality plain as day then it's obviously a straight cisgendered character

Let's admit it, what they want is explicit sex, because there's nothing wrong with keeping it aside entirely, and they must be retarded considering they don't get subtlety.

They don't even rank Big Boss as being kinda bisexual despite all the obvious homoerotic shit in the games, but it's not a marketing argument, nor printed on the cover, so I guess they didn't notice.
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>>388209772
Link?
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>>388209772
Dare i even question what it is?
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>>388203926
Yes you fucking falseflag cunt, go neck yourself
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>>388203926
>Literally the most ham fisted way to tell anyone about anything on release
>So bad even the LGBT talked shit about it to get the dialogue changed

Bioware is a fucking joke.
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>>388209858
I wish I never became aware of post op dilation.
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>>388209934
that cant be a bioware game
because it looks good and fun
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>>388209772
let me fucking guess, regret hit him like a literal truck once he learned about dilation
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>>388209985
Don't forget the hairballs!
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>>388209567
>This is silly
Not really an argument, because despite sounding silly to you it is accurate. If you're going to run away at least try to maintain some basic dignity, this is pathetic.
>Nothing you said
No, since we're discussing the use/misuse of the term "phobia" and this doesn't specifically revolve around transexuals, this is true, at least beyond trans"phobia" being a common example of the misuse we are discussing.
>I figured that out after it became blatantly obvious
>I'm so smort
Anon, maybe don't congratulate yourself after a belated recovery from a massive fuck-up, it was obvious from the first post that I was someone different, I specifically made sure of that.
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>>388209934
Sometimes pre-ME2 because the animations are good.
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>>388210037
fuck off I literally forgot about hairballs
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>>388209031
If the US isn't one of the best places for trans people, where else is? Seriously.
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>>388209931
>anything about designs,
I think he means niples poking on the clothing
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>>388210096
tell me about the hairballs
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>>388210109
ignore greentext, my mouse is retarded.
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>>388210102
Iran
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>>388205685
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>>388209859
Well first off testosterone is responsible for sex drive, trans women have less testosterone than genetic woman and therefor have a much lower sex drive. What's the point of transitioning for sexual reasons if you can't enjoy them?

Most states require a letter from a gender specialist specifically designed to weed out fetishist and people who don't actually have dysphoria before you can receive hormones.
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>>388210102
>US
>best places for people
top kek
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>>388208801
You're overcomplicating it man. Ugly chicks should be put to death because their looks are all they have going for them. Drag queens, fatties, deformed freaks, whatever - they're not women because women are shitty men that look good. If they don't look good they're just shitty men and have no place in society.
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>>388210282
>Greentext's my question
Nice
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>>388210201
your pubes will stockpile inside of your "pussy" because you have to stretch it aka push them inside so in other words YOU HAVE TO REMOVE MASSIVE GREASY HAIRBALLS INSIDE OF OPEN CUT WOUNDS THAT YOU STRETCH DAILY TO KEEP OPEN
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>>388210246
Don't they forcefully give homosexuals the sex-change operation or fucking kill them?

That's something different
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>>388210201
Little hairs continue to grow, they form balls down there in the dark, where they spin endlessly, waiting for some adventurous and gullible fool to throw a rope down this dark wound that scars the face of the earth.
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>>388203926
Yes.
We also only hated DmC:DmC because Donte's hair wasn't white.
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>>388210102
Philipines, like seriously, go to /gif/ and you'll se what i mean
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>>388209731
>Walking around in a sewer
>Suddenly neon pink decor everywhere, the water is pink bubblegum color too
>Character doesn't react to the absurd change in tone at all, acts as if nothing is unusual here
Yea no, you tell me that's normal and you're a fucking retard buddy.
>Hurrrr if I blow up his argument to ridiculous extremes he sure looks dumb durrrr
Intellectually dishonest, why would you do this unless you somehow wanted to make yourself look like the result of several generations of inbreeding?
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>>388203926
I mean if you want to continue the mentality that mutilating yourself is okay then go ahead, just don't forget about dilation and the hairballs building up and the fact that trannies need a dildo in there constantly or else their nu-vagina heals up
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/Xz0OHqMrfTJ1vsCk3A4lvA/
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>>388205685
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>>388210201
The skin making up the "vajayjay" is essentially an inverse dick - can't remember if they use the scrotum as well, probably - anyways the hair-follics embedded in the skin still exists which means it gets hairy - furthermore the hair gets scraped off and forms a hairball inside the gaping wound which will then have to be taken out at times. :^)
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>>388210383
Forgot pic, not so funny now.
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>>388210317
come on, i dont want to google that shit

do they stick balls of hair inside their (((vaginas))) or do they produce balls of hair?
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>>388210368
Most surgeons won't touch you if you haven't had the whole area electeolysized
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Somehow japs know how to make trans the right way.
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>>388209934

SOURCE PLEASE!!
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>>388209625
desu I'm a mentally ill tranny and can't understand the logic behind bottom surgery.

In 10 years we're going to have working synth grown organs that have minimal chances of rejection. Why not wait? We'll be able to have self cleaning, self lubricating proper holes like a proper cumdump instead of an open wound.

Like, you're risking fucking up your chances to get a surgery that implants that stuff in the future even by having your insides ripped and rearranged.
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>>388209625
It's not normal.

In fact, no one with a brain or a degree in relevant fields thinks it's normal.

That's why it's called a disorder. Actually, they should probably be calling it a disease too, but that's way too offensive in our unbelievably PC times.
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>>388207184

moonland version blatantly says the "transition" from Karate King to Beauty required THE WONDERS OF MEDICAL SCIENCE. it's a man baby.
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>>388203926
>implying person who told you most personal thing in 10 seconds after meeting you for the first time isn't mentally ill.
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>>388204480
This, fuck gays in their tight boipucci
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>>388203926
i don't give a fuck about trans characters, but pic related is typical bioware shitty writing

>"Hello stranger, by the way did you know I used to be a man? Here's my life story..."

get some better writers before your try to write characters outside of cutter-cookie stereotypes
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Would a trams person be trusted on such a high profile mission?
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>>388210529
Can't they just remove the hair with laser before the surgery?
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top kek
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>trannies are from very low percentage of the human population but want to include them in fucking ever fiction ever

what did they mean by this?
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>>388209542
>Men usually transition for sexual reasons and not because of dysphoria. Women have no sexual reasons to turn into men because it would be downgrade from female sexuality.

My sides, i hope you don't actually believe this, that sounds like something straight out of an r9k women hate thread or some shit.

>>388209568
>gets fucking roasted
>rrreee faggot rrrrree dick rrrreee cuck
why aren't such low quality posts a bannable offense again?

>>388209625
Nobody gets their dick "cut off" you absolute mongoloid, she's posting bait to get fags like you butthurt
>>388209772
>>>/pol/
>>388209802
>(many "transexuals" or people who allegedly suffer from "gender dysphorea" think better of it after a while)
not true at all, those people commit suicides or transition in their late 40s-50s. Of course if they stayed in the closet the entire time nobody will actually ever know they were trans and will just count it off as a normal suicide, unrelated to trans stuff.
While we're on the subject though, "Sex change regret" is also fake, the website many right-wingers reference is actually total bullshit, and while i can imagine some fetishist did regret it, they weren't trans in the first place and the rest of those claims are trolls and people pushing an agenda.
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>>388210483
Whole inside of their (((vagina))) grows pubic hair because it's made from skin unlike real vagina.
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>>388210441
I'm gonna assume that is indeed the link to what we've been talking about regarding hairballs.
Fuck that.
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>>388210615
See
>>388210486
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>>388209909
You will never be able to tell, that's the best part about the comics.
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>>388209934
wtf im gay now
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>>388203926
I still don't get what would be the appeal of having a barely functional remebling-like vagina to a normal dick.

I mean, post surgery in 95% of the cases you end up with a vagina lookalike-hole. Why not just stick with the trans look and keep the bulge?
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>>388208954
Go look up the definition of transsexual, the word originally referred to by the abbreviation "tranny"
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>>388209937
>Do you think mtfs aren't prescribed their hormones?
Well yes, i do indeed think so as i have been on hormones, voice training and laser hair removal, and i have still yet to get a prescription, while i'm not insecure about being trans and largely don't give a shit about people because i'm lucky enough not to stick out like a sore thumb while i'm outside. Not to say i haven't paid a visit to a gender therapist, but even with UK's much better than US's healthcare system it is simply a nuisance to get a prescription since it requires waiting lists and all that shit.

>Other way around. Testosterone is easy mode.
It's easier to pass yes, but it's harder to actually get to that point, a vidya analogy would be MtF transition is like doing a super simple mission with a 10% chance of getting a good item and FtM transition is like doing an insanely hard mission with a 99% chance to get that same item.

>>388210102
Europe mostly, UK, and there are good places in the US too, but all around the world, the closer you are to the centre of a country, the capital city or whatever, the more likely you are to interact less with people who are more likely to hate trans people. The US right now is just in political turmoil, people are very split about trans people's right to exist and as funny as that is that something like that is even allowed considering there's a thing called human rights, it's not good for trans people, then look at UK, it's not such a huge deal over there, sure, bathroom politics and all, but many places these days have one-person bathrooms or gender-neutral bathrooms which is the best solution to that entire "issue".
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>>388210698

thanks
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>being trans
thats even worse than being gay, I feel bad for the mentally disabled
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>>388204545

>Catherine

name a game with a better representation of a trans character. As in their character isn't defined by the fact that they are trans. yes I know it is a plot point that "she" has the sheep nigntmares but that's just the demon realm being bigoted lol I'll wait.
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When did you guys realize men are truly superior to women?
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>>388210818
*resembling
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>>388210935
that's a bird
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>>388205604

2D>3D anon
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>>388210607
>trams person
Sometimes missions require people that can make difficult choices.
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>>388210806
>now
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>>388210109
Oh right, googling pokies does explain that. I feel retarded now. Thanks!

>>388210210
>how is it possible for someone to come to 4ch, draw a lewd loli and not know what pokies are
Either I don't pay enough attention to what others say or my poor memory is taking it's toll.
>You can go on, if this is your newbie tier it's good enough.
I guess, but I'd still kinda want to put in some extra details into the clothing and maybe fix up some of the folding, but I'm kinda struggling with that part.
>Just keep on drawingand fapping
Will do so, thanks, anon!
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>>388207198

see this is why when regressives shriek TRANS POSITIVITY ISN'T POLITICAL GUISE it becomes an issue because victimhood gives you free life points and attention. A FAGGOT OBSESSIVE WITH GETTING ATTENTION YOU DON'T SAY!
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>>388210516
>when your spicy redpilled post gets ignored because an autistic fellow tranny is going on and on in the thread
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>>388210698
You are a saint among this ocean of shit, thanks anon
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>>388210719
>Not true at all
From personal experience I've known several, actually. What are you basic this rejection on? The rejection and suicide occurs as a result of increasing anxiety actually, something that transitioning can both alleviate and magnify, but overall showering these people with "acceptance" regardless of how they present themselves fixes most if not all of their problems, since it is inherently an anxiety disorder.

The fact of life here is that most people don't "identify" as a gender, they think their thoughts, observe their sex and base their identity around this observation, rejecting this observation often occurs when people feel like they're not how other people expect them to be (I like girl things so I must be a girl)

Think about it this way; You as a male have no idea what "men" think like, you only know your own thoughts, similarly you have no idea what "women" think like, you only know your own thoughts, so arbitrarily assigning a gender to your own thoughts based on nothing but introspection is utterly absurd and downright bizarre, hence the classification of a mental disorder. It shares a lot of symptoms with cognitive dissonance, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia etc. but apparently when you think you're a dinosaur you're insane, when you think you're the opposite sex you just need surgery to "fix" yourself.
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>>388210827
What? Surely they don't offer estrogen/antiandrogens for HRT over the counter in the UK?
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>>388203926
>So, you guys will finally admit you're both homo and transphobic now, right?
Yes. But that's not why I hate it. I hate it because it sucks.
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>>388210820

>confusing a drag queen with a mtf

off yourself mate. even the biggest queens still identify as male.
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>>388210313
o i am laffin

>>388210691
> fucking ever fiction ever
hardly senpai, but i don't think that AAA games that are huge and target everyone should need to have a "reason" to include trans people in, i mean, there's two ways to handle any minority in vidya or any work of fiction:

1) Include them, they'll be there to represent their existence, they don't get in the way, and they serve as a character like any other character and don't make their whole identity about their race or gender or whatever and are just there.

2) Include them as a part of the story, say, instead of it giving you the dialogue of "hurr durr i'm trans" like if it's some shock value story and give them an actual story arc as either part of the main plot or something you find out if you choose to get close to that character.

You can write a character like that really well and actually make it super interesting and emotionally impactful even for someone sheltered and uneducated on the issue, in fact, it may be an interesting way to send a message through media.

>>388211106
>will grow out of it with time
but they don't, hence people transitioning past the age of 20, they've been ignoring it at least since puberty, and when they realize they can't hide away from it they transition.
Just look at all the MtFs in the military, they were running away, trying to be more masculine thinking if they embraced their bodies their mind would let it go, but it doesn't, it never does.
gender dysphoria isn't just some discomfort, it's such an innate part of a trans person's identity that you simply can't hope it goes away. Sure, for some it might, but if it does, it wasn't gender dysphoria in the first place.
Suicide rates go down post-op and that's just statistics, and it's impossible to know how many suicides are actually related to GD if the person never comes out about it.
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>>388209084
wuts an SGV?
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>>388211192
>poor memory is taking it's toll.
I know your pain
I like the drawing as it is, but feel free to add the thing the other anon said, i'll be lurking in that thread.
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>>388210281
>>388210719
Depressed men transition as a attempt to get few years of sexual attention before killing themselves. They can't do it as a male.

>Most states require a letter from a gender specialist specifically designed to weed out fetishist
Doesn't work. Even medical professionals can't agree what counts as fetish and what as dysphoria. They pretty much give estrogen to anyone.
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>>388211391

not an argument 2007 fuck if i remember how
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>>388211341
Not that person but last I checked UK had super fucked up policies for aquiring hormones. They require like 2 years of what's called RLE, real life experience, where they have to live as the gender they are transitioning into without getting hormones. No sane country would require this because it means sending scrawny effeminate men in dresses into the world to be murdered in back alleys.
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>>388210625
makes me kek every time
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Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

There isn't anything to discuss, bigots.
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>>388211679
Wow I can't believe I was a sexual fetishist at age 4. I wonder if that's why my first kiss was at 21? Or why I've only ever had sex with one person who I'm still sleeping with
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>>388211725
>because it means sending scrawny effeminate men in dresses into the world to be murdered in back alleys.

Getting hormones doesn't save them, retard.
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>>388211462
>It wasn't gender dysphoria in the first place
The issue I raised is that many people that get diagnosed are done entirely off of self-diagnosis "the patient says he thinks he's actually a woman so he must have gender dysphoria" and then you show up on a list saying x% of people are transgender.

Two years later you realize it was just a phase, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was completely incorrect and you're back to normal, you're still on that list of x% of people being transgender.

There are no reliable diagnostic tools to diagnose this condition from a medical standpoint, and this is part of why there are so many issues about this shit right now. DSM4 being a complete disaster also doesn't help.
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>>388204287
>game is a work of fiction
>therefore it has to relate perfectly to realistic statistics
....?????????????
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>>388211462

so you are saying there is absolutely no chance of people going through a phase or being dumb and youthful? If my kids starts playing with girls toys at 5 WELP IT'S A GIRL NOW MY BAD TIME TO GO ON ESTROGEN "SON".
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>>388210982
No, it's my husband.
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I want to date a trans and sex her cock.
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>>388211670
I have a weird relationship with my cock. I'm not fond with it, and I have zero desire to ever penetrate with it, but I don't want to have it cut off for no purpose like some people. The main reason I'm trans is because I want to be perceived as female in my everyday life. I'm probably explaining this badly, forgive my stupidity please, I'm not the smartest.

>guys still wanna put it up your butt
I mean, if we got to the point where I could get a working self cleaning vagina and womb, I'd happily do so just to give my bf/husband whatever more options. On the other hand if he prefered my current bits I probably wouldn't.

It's like, an aura on not caring about what I have down there. it's everything else about my appearance that matters to me,

also tfw no bf
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>>388211725
We have a similar thing here too, but it's about srs and legal change, not hormones. Not giving you hormones sounds pretty retarded to me.
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>>388210719

>"Sex change regret" is also fake

then explain the heightened rates of depression of suicide then.
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>>388203926
>Character is trans just for the sake of D I V E R S I T Y instead of making it an actual interesting trait that makes sense in the development of his personality and part of the story
>Game for some reason has 300 - 400% higher ratio of trans/homo to population than normal
>Character has to proudly scream in your face how trans and gay he is
>All dialogue and his whole paste, history and personality is for some reason focused only about him being trans and his decision to become trans
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>>388212018

Wow, I meant suck.
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>>388211880
A more relevant argument would be that getting hormones earlier leads to better results, the problem with that is what I mentioned in several posts above, that a lot of "transexuals" simply change their mind because there is no way to tell the difference between someone legitimately suffering from gender dysphoria and someone simply going through a phase.

So I'm going to go with the 2 year thing being a good call, it makes sure people know what they're doing before making life changing decisions on a sensitive matter, and taking hormones your entire life is an extremely invasive process which people often seem to ignore.
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Why is it "wrong" to be transphobic? I consider trans people to be mentally unwell, so I don't want them around. Would you feel okay living next door to a schizophrenic?
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>>388211880
Passing does, and putting off hormones for 2 years hurts one's ability to do so
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>>388211860
>I was a sexual fetishist at age 4. I wonder if that's why my first kiss was at 21? Or why I've only ever had sex with one person who I'm still sleeping with

All these are completely normal for straight cis people. Everyone wants to try crossdressing as a kid. Doesn't mean you're trans.
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>>388212034
Do someone of you anons have the story?
You know, THAT ONE story.
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>>388212094
Your post was better that way.
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>>388207492

Fucking liar! Nobody hates Macho Man.
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>>388212113
Honestly I'd be afraid of a schizophrenic person, not so much a transexual, those'd just be repulsive. I suppose that's where the confusion comes from, but people need to stop equating revulsion with fear already, it's not the same damn thing.
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>>388212183
Is this a cute romantic story about a red pilled trans girl with zero self esteem meeting a bf? Because I'd eat that shit up and self insert.

Or is it a hairball story about mutilation or regret and depression? Because I've probably seen it before desu
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>>388212034
>I'd happily do so just to give my bf/husband whatever more options. On the other hand if he prefered my current bits I probably wouldn't.
>It's like, an aura on not caring about what I have down there. it's everything else about my appearance that matters to me,
>also tfw no bf

This means you don't have gender dysphoria. You're doing it only for sexual reasons.
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>>388212170
Cross dressing has nothing to do with being trans.

>>388212113
I don't think it's wrong to dislike a group of people if you have reason too, but modern experts believe gender dysphoria to be biological, essentially a birth defect. It's an important distinction.
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>be trans mtf
>no gay guy wants you because youre emulating a woman and chop your dick off
>no straight guy wants you because youre still a dude under all of the excuses and operations
>commit suicide
Commit suicide
>commit suicide
Commit suicide
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>>388204862
1. Not a boy
2. Looks like a fucking alien
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>>388209602
They're made by a tranny, so yeah.
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>>388212371
If it's what I think it is then it's about some faggot falling for the trap meme and getting fucked in the ass before getting taken to the hospital with a bleeding asshole desperately trying to explain he wasn't gay.
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>>388211670
How does one even get a ballsack like that?
Mine's all wrinkly and shit, feels bad man.
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>>388207492
i wonder if that rumor about him locking his wife in a closet during matches is real
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>>388212371
>>388212496
You're both wrong dudes.
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>>388212103

what about if the parents believe their child has gender dysforia (most likely through self diagnosis) or worse force the child on it because of their own beliefs. I have absolutely no problem with a person making a life changing decision on their own terms but parents pushing this shit on their kids because they put on their mommy's bra once or plays with ponies or barbies with their sister THAT I have a problem with.
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>>388210929
Well, Kaine. In the game it's somewhat ambiguous as to what makes her different.
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>>388212631
He was right though, regret and depression.
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>>388203926
>So, you guys will finally admit you're both homo and transphobic now, right?

Did you just assume my phobias, shitlord?
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>>388212413
I'm not doing it for only sexual reasons though anon. Earlier in my post I said the main reason I'm doing stuff is because I want to be perceived as female. I don't get aroused from this or anything, it's just a comfort thing that feels right.

I'm ambivalent towards what I have down there because it's mostly inconsequential and the only current course of fixing it is a horrific mutilation. Because that's what we do, lets not deny it, SRS is a horrific mutilation.
>>388212531
oh lol yeah

I remember that, there's a few variants of it floating around. I remember in the post how he asked her if he was gay now and she cuddled him lel
>>388212531
I mean, I could use a strap on on you if you wanted. HRT makes it hard to get erect.

ironically the main challenge to me ever fucking anyone would be my extreme submissiveness.
>>388212631
That's one of the hairball/regret ones
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>>388212371
>>388212846
one of my quote things was meant for you, I'm a dum dum sorry
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>>388212741
Last I checked parents are definitely not allowed to push surgery or hormone treatment on kids, circumcision being one of the few exceptions (and even that is not allowed in many western countries since it's fucking barbaric)

There is an issue where parents can end up pushing a kid towards it though, I've raised the point before that one of the core aspects of treating gender dysphoria is showering them with acceptance, the flip side of that is that it can end up encouraging abnormal behavior in otherwise healthy individuals simply because amateurs trying to do the right thing can and will make things worse.
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>>388212949
actually wait I'm even more dumb than I first thought
>>388212496
meant to quote you
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>>388210424
Sewers aren't people
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>>388213001
Are you legitimately asking or just screaming at the walls due to inadequacy?

I've probably been here quite a few years more than you buddy.
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>>388212745

but it's not trying to hide it in an attempt to put you in a GOTCHA IM A MAN moment. Kaine mentions the dreams, you understand that only men can have those dreams, then you put two and two together. I think one of Vincent's friends has a crush on Kaine but I don't think that goes anywhere.
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>>388212745
She's not trans, she's fucking possessed by a dick-shade that makes her jack it off in public.
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>>388213157
>she's fucking possessed by a dick-shade
my dude she had a dick and a vagina waaay before Tyrann
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>>388212846
You're submissive male that fetishizes females because you're embarrased of being submissive as male. Not trans.
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>>388211251
>From personal experience I've known several, actually.
no you haven't my friend, and if you do know one person, which is already very unlikely, they were most likely not trans, but you shove them into the group anyway because otherwise your entire argument falls apart.

>The fact of life here is that most people don't "identify" as a gender, they think their thoughts, observe their sex and base their identity around this observation, rejecting this observation often occurs when people feel like they're not how other people expect them to be (I like girl things so I must be a girl)

and that's proof that you don't know what gender dysphoria is or have known anyone who has it, in fact your (I like girl things so I must be a girl) could not be further from the truth. Most people already have their biological sex and their (psychological so to say) gender aligned, therefore there is no problem for them to base their identity around that, not for trans people though, since they actively despise their physical bodies by default and everything that does for them socially (being perceived as their assigned at birth gender etc, expected to act out the social role associated with it, etc).
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>>388213001
Don't call me Tumblr faggot
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>>388213148
Anon The friend literally loses his virginity to the trans waitress and only finds out she used to be a dude afterward, everyone even pokes fun at him losing his v-card to a dude and that he can never get it back
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>transphobic
I'm a male to female transsexual

That doesn't change the fact that mass effect andromeda is a shit game
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cont from >>388213381
Babies don't observe their sex, their brains are already wired to accept it, unless you're trans that is. Boys do boy things before they know what their penis is even for or that they won't grow boobs when they're older like mommy. Trans kids also do their assigned-at-birth gender things but they actually hate doing them and don't realize why or that they're even different until much later.
>Think about it this way; You as a male have no idea what "men" think like, you only know your own thoughts, similarly you have no idea what "women" think like, you only know your own thoughts, so arbitrarily assigning a gender to your own thoughts based on nothing but introspection is utterly absurd and downright bizarre
Not at all actually, dysphoria doesn't even have anything to do with that, it has to do with the hatred of your physical body, hence the very similar word - Dysmorphia.
MtFs do not actively want to be female, but rather they do not want to be male if that makes sense, their brains reject their own bodies and refuse to base their identity around it, and not being male means being female, so that's kind of how it works, there's also an intricate jealousy there, of their desired bodies and the social stuff assigned to them, obviously all thoughts can't be "male" or "female" but one can want to have both a female physical appearance and body as well as the life and all the social interactions that come with it, it's not sexual, but it does include sex and romantic relationships as a part of it. Gender is more like a role that we play out if we're physically fit for it, and trans people are actors that do not wish to play the role society forces on them and hate their physical selves, only then it's real gender dysphoria.
But as with all mental disorders, it's very hard to describe because well, we don't really know that much about them.
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Name good[/spoilers] games where I can be a girl with a penis.
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>>388211341
Yes, but you can get it on the internetz, i started doing it that way well cuz family, and in case i did end up not wanting to go on with it for whatever reason i would not have irrevocably changed my entire life yet. Since then i just kept on doing that because it's what works, and sometime in the future i'll obviously change to prescriptions to both save money and to get more accurate doses since i know for sure i'd never want things any other way (other than being born a cis female), but for now, i have bigger priorities in life.
>>388212080
Well, oppression is one factor, being generally different and thus excluded from normie society, having a harder life than most not to mention a much more expensive one and also gender dysphoria generally includes anxiety since it's basically a constant flow of hate towards every inch of your body and every social interaction that reminds you of the past self and a social brand that you can't escape from when it's basically the only thing you need in life to be okay.
Let's also be fair, most of the time trans people and trans women specifically don't pass well, transition doesn't fix all their problems, they fail to accept themselves, everyone else fails to accept them and so even post-op they still have more than enough reasons to commit suicide.
Not to mention that the "Op" isn't that big of a deal for most people, as genitalia does not decide how you're viewed by society in everyday life, since most people don't ask to see your genitalia before they say "that'll be 59.99 ma'am" so transition isn't some binary thing, it's a process, and the surgery itself is far from perfect for both trans men and women.
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>>388205357
That's because that's Electronic Arts before they did the name change. Electronic Arts made awesome games, EA makes shit.
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>>388213381

At the end of the day it's a mental illness which is technically a biological illness, at some point either being born or over their development as a child they got fucked up. In a hypothetical advanced future like mass effect this disorder will probably no longer exist
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>>388213386

welp that fucks up everything i said. they treat it as joke. forget i brought it up. how_embarassing.jpg etc etc.
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>>388213361
But that's completely wrong anon. Being submissive in general isn't embarrasing to me. If it was embarrasing I wouldn't be posting about it at all. I don't fetishize females either, I have zero attraction to females in general.

desu you remind me of some of the shitposters on /lgbt/ and trutrans posters
>>388213298
I have a smol dick, if I ever managed to be in the state of mind to fuck you I'd want to use something nicely sized for your pleasure.
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>>388213535

Wow, didn't mean to spoiler all of that. I'll just leave the thread now.
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>>388213298
Not that person, but it's gender dysphoria anon, I wish I could use my dick but I can't. I don't mind having one, but putting it inside any warm hole is instinctually revolting to me. I'm not a wasteful person, id be fucking girls constantly if I could, woman love me for some reason.
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>>388213612
see >>388213361
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>>388203926
>homo and transphobic
Nobody is afraid of people who can't into reproduction and mentally ill people. Stop using buzzwords.
Firstly, unless it's relevant to the story, it shouldn't matter that a character likes to stick his weiner into the wrong hole.
Secondly, i don't think it's healthy to promote mentally ill people in media. It's no better than using deformed or people with birth defects as circus acts.
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>>388213535
Skyrim.
With mods obviously.
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>>388210929

That tailor from the witcher 3.
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>>388213705
>Yfw never have a cute trap bf
Kill me now
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>>388203926
I generally try to avoid people who take a knife to their genitals and demand I play along in their game of pretend.
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>>388213714
>that picture
I'm convinced that there's a MSM conspiracy to vilify and associate us with 30+ year old unpassing people and SJWs.

The media has much to gain from fabrication revulsion to us so that they can run news stories about how we're being oppressed.
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>>388213381
>No you haven't
Rejecting inconvenient truths? Is that where we're at now? I've had an uncle who spent his entire adult life as an "aunt" before dying at the age of 45, and a nephew who spent two years in highschool running around as a girl, he now is back to being full male with a girlfriend and everything.

That's not counting the dozen or so other people I've known in similar circumstances as a result of exposure to them by those same relatives.

>They were most likely not trans
I agree, the issue here is that they thought they were and acted on it.

>Since they actively despise their physical bodies
This is a known mental condition already, and I would argue that "gender dysphoria" is simple one facet of that same condition. There are people who actively despise their physical bodies and resort to self mutilation to get rid of the offending article, this can include things like ears, eyelashes, toes, even entire limbs. Or, you know, a penis.
>You don't know what gender dysphoria is
I do, you're not following me at all here, take some extra effort in reading what I'm saying instead of looking for things to accuse me of. The argument has always been that there are legitimate cases, but the problem is that those are hard to distinguish from the completely illegitimate ones, of which I've only given you examples, you confusing the core argument here is the problem.
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>>388213612

so in other words until medical science advances to the point where you can not only be passable but biologically seemless then trans folk are going to be seen as freaks no matter what. Sucks that you were born too early i guess.
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>>388203926

Transphobic is the wrong word

a phobia implies an irrational fear

hatred of grotesque, mentally ill monsters is not irrational.
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>>388213705
Only when you're young dumbo.
The ship is long sailed when you're past 25.
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>>388213075
Trannies are sewers
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>>388213824

>drag queen

not trans. see also the gerudo bearded beauty from BOTW.
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>>388205239
All trans-friends also have that fucking retarded... "I'm too chubby to look good with unique hairstyles, but let me shave one/both sides of my fat fucking head" obsession, too.

Why is this a fucking thing? Cool, stand up for the rights of others who want to be who they want, great. At this point thought, they're just becoming a fucking joke. They're literally changing their look in a laughable way, which makes them that much harder to take seriously.
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>>388211985
Of course not, there's a pretty big chance of being dumb and youthful and even after youth there's plenty of fetishists and crossdressers that take it one step too far.
> If my kids starts playing with girls toys at 5 WELP IT'S A GIRL NOW MY BAD TIME TO GO ON ESTROGEN "SON".
which is just not at all how dysphoria works, and never once have i mentioned kids anywhere here, what i'm talking about is adults over the age of 16 who are perfectly capable of making medical decisions for themselves. "Playing with girl toys" is perfectly normal for a perfectly normal boy and has nothing to do with trans stuff.
>>388211912
>Two years later you realize it was just a phase
which basically never happens, other than in theory
>the diagnosis of gender dysphoria was completely incorrect
>implying you can even diagnose most mental disorders
is that an American thing? I mean, if you're schizo and you're seeing shit the doc can't go inside your head and check for sure if you're seeing shit for real or not, they just put you on meds. It's not perfect but we don't know shit about the brain so it's the best treatment we've got.
>There are no reliable diagnostic tools to diagnose this condition from a medical standpoint
yes, and many fucking more conditions too
> and this is part of why there are so many issues about this shit right now.
not really, most people who literally disagree with the existence of trans people couldn't give a shit about medicine, they have a clear cut right and wrong in their brains from either religion or some other belief, they don't give a shit about minorities of any kind, since they're not in any of those minorities.
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>>388213381
Aren't you just rejecting them to make your own group look better in an internet argument? No true Scotsman and all that.

Are you saying that people who have actually underwent SRS but regretted it is not actually trans? So the only acceptable entries in a statistic about trans people being unhappy with their transition or regretting it or killing themselves over it would be those that don't, meaning that any other entry except those that are happy about it are rejected?
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>>388213706
>I wish I could use my dick but I can't. I don't mind having one, but putting it inside any warm hole is instinctually revolting to me

You have body image or self-esteem issues, not gender issues.
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>>388213532
You're raising the issue here that the term itself is poorly defined though, poorly diagnosed with inconsistent symptoms throughout, which is something I'm strongly advocating against.

Again, what you describe is no different from someone who is repulsed by their own body and wants to remove the offending article, making it a sexual/gender thing is a nonsensical extra step since it only confuses the actual condition and problem involved.
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>>388211502
>I like the drawing as it is, but feel free to add the thing the other anon said
Thanks! Will do, though I'm first gonna finish adding the tentacles, as per /a/non's request.

>>388212193
>Detailed clothing is top tier, go wild.
Yeah, having nicely detailed clothing in h-manga or h-games is like a fetish of it's own for me. And pokies is definitely a good detail addition.
>If you are at a loss on what good lingerie looks like check bagheera
Nice, I'll take a look. Thanks a lot, anon!
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I think faggots should be mad at bioware for such representation. Just think about. These character have literally nothing to say other than talk about their sexual orientation and gender identity disorder.
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>>388214027
no, they're people, unlike sewers
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>>388213535
Nier Automata

The androids don't normally have genitals but Taro made it a point to mention that they can replicate whichever junk they want to play human with.
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>>388214343
somewhere in the tread some anon said bioware had to patch to character's dialogue due to complaints from trans people
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>>388205195
I hate billionaires
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>>388214082
>16
>perfectly capable of making medical decisions for themselves

No. You need to be 18-21 to even use alcohol, which doesn't give you any permanent changes.
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>>388214082
>Never happens
Stop lying to yourself anon, it doesn't happen with legitimate cases, sure, but those are extremely rare and few.
>I don't think you can diagnose mental disorders
Anon we should probably stop talking here, if you're so uninformed on the subject then I'm wasting my time, you don't even know the basics and are going into extremely advanced material.
>And many fucking more conditions too
Yes, this is true, but with those conditions you don't get prescribed life changing hormone treatment, and while the meds can fuck you up still the effects aren't as permanent and rarely as invasive, people don't preach wide-spread "acceptance" over treatment either.
>Most people
I don't give a fuck about most people anon, I care about the patients, their families and the people that prescribe dangerous and damaging treatment to them, fuck extraneous circumstances that have fuck all to do with the patient and their treatment.
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>>388213943
>so in other words until medical science advances to the point where you can not only be passable but biologically seemless then trans folk are going to be seen as freaks no matter what. Sucks that you were born too early i guess.
not entirely true, i mean the last point is true regardless of scientific advances, but a lot of trans people do manage to make it and live as normal of a life as they possibly can, and more would be able to if society was more accepting, that's the only reason i'm in this thread, i know most people here are baiting and just being /pol/ or whatever and there is some actual discussion here but if there's someone reading right now and i am able to educate them on trans people and let them form their own opinion about them and realize there's nothing to be really afraid of and just like you they just want to live and let live then all this shitposting was worth it.

>>388214083
Not really, because it's like saying black people and muslims are both the same group, sure there are muslims who are also black and such but there's obviously a clear distinction and no reason to mix up the two. And even then, cds and fetishists and performers and whatever else aren't trans and don't overlap. You can transition and change your sex and still not be trans.
>Are you saying that people who have actually underwent SRS but regretted it is not actually trans?
well yes, otherwise they would not have regretted it, and i feel bad for those people that they were confused and mistook whatever was troubling them as gender dysphoria but it's no reason to hate on actual trans people who did not regret their transition because well, GD implies you hate the body you were born it, changing it can help. Not fix it, but help, not cure it, but treat it, and i can imagine people being unhappy with how their transition went because they expected a perfect cure and those people are trans, sure, but i do not think regret is the right word there in that case.
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>>388214105
Lol okay. I don't use my dick because of crippling dysphoria, not "body issues"
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Only tranny I would ever think about putting my dick into but I won't touch dicks other than mine
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Was gonna make a new thread but decided to post it here instead.
EA thinks that Andromeda was over criticized and talked about a bunch of other stuff. I'm probably slow as fuck on this so im prepared for the slowpokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=revmFUvbfcQ
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>>388203926
I've fucked a trap and I hate trannies in games. The worst part id's how they just model a girl and give it a male voice actor.
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>>388213001
Just this thread by the looks of thing. What you come into this thread and not expect anything?
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>>388214202
Keep drawing anon, i see great things for you.
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>>388214129
>Again, what you describe is no different from someone who is repulsed by their own body and wants to remove the offending article, making it a sexual/gender thing is a nonsensical extra step since it only confuses the actual condition and problem involved.
not true, the "sexual/gender" thing, which isn't actually sexual at all is the key part in it, the key problem IS the body. I mean, we only even think of the body as the thing to dictate our identity because our body is something quantifiable and easy to describe while our mind is vague and "poorly defined". But if you actually consider for a moment that it's the mind that's right and not the body, something most people seem to disregard straight away despite us not being animals acting on instincts alone and everything we do coming from our mind rather than our body, then trans people suffer from a biological disorder, their brain is correct but their body isn't. We can not treat the mind for both just purely scientific and ethical reasons so we treat the body, and it does work, just not as well as one might expect, but it's the best chance those people have.
There is an important distinction between dysmorphia and dysphoria, it's pretty confusing, but you hate your body based on gender characteristic, not fat or figure or height or posture, it's all about specific sex characteristics, genitalia, face, body hair, etc etc
and >>388214105 is wrong about that for that very reason.
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>>388214923
meh probably, just thought i should post it here instead of making a whole new thread just for it
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>>388214715
Anon, transitioning doesn't turn you into a woman, this is a large part of where post-op regret comes from, realizing that the goal itself was unattainable and they now have to life as a disfigured man repulsed by himself, instead of just a man repulsed by himself, the issue with gender dysphoria is that transitioning isn't treatment at all, the problem is much deeper than something that such surface level treatment can fix, you yourself have effectively been arguing this, so I don't understand how you can believe that cosmetic surgery can solve a psychological problem at your very core.

What helps is the acceptance, people accepting the person for what they are and the (extreme) choices they make takes away the strong anxiety that is part of gender dysphoria, and makes their lives more manageable as the stress caused by that same anxiety exaggerates their other symptoms.
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>>388203926
Bait
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>>388214847
>EA thinks that Andromeda was over criticized

EA thinks that Dungeon Keeper 2014 failed for being too innovative.
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>>388203926
Might and Magic 1 had a fountain and for game progression it was important to turn your entire party female.
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>>388214730
>>388215240
You've been brainwashed into hating male sexuality.
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>>388215240
>Us not being animals acting on instinct alone and everything we do coming from our mind rather than our body
Stop right there, this is so offensively wrong you either need a very convincing argument for it or I'm just straight up calling bullshit, where the fuck is this rhetoric coming from, based on, and what makes you think animals "think with their bodies" or some shit?

>We can't treat the mind
We very much can, both scientifically and ethically soundly, it's called therapy, and produces much better results than surgery even just going by base statistics.

And again, the core argument is that you loathe your own body, your rationale or basis for doing so is not inherently relevant to what condition this is described as, same as we don't distinguish between people who want to remove their left arm and people who want to remove their right index finger into specific categories.

The only reason "gender dysphoria" has a special name is so that people can push for surgery as a means of "treatment" because if it is properly classified then you wouldn't be allowed to remove offending articles from a patient that way.
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Yes. /v/ is a Christian board
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>>388204690
>"my brain will take a specific shape."

You share the same air with these people.
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>>388215517
Okay.
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>>388204690
>neurosexist

When will these """people""" stop using made up words for shit that doesn't exist?
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>>388215903
Worse, these people's piss has been in your drinking water at one point.
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Go truck yourself
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>>388207739
>>388208076
>>388208156
Last survey I recall seeing had MtF accounting for 9 out of 10 trans, it's FAR more prevalent than FtM
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>This thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ys4YRX0kco
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>>388215240
>it's the mind that's right and not the body
>it's all about specific sex characteristics, genitalia, face, body hair, etc etc

So kids can't have gender issues naturally because their body hasn't hit puberty and developed sex characteristics yet? All trans kids are brainwashed?
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>>388204690
>completely unaware that the BRAIN is what told his body to have a penis in the first place
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>>388205496
Actually
That's not the trans population
That's EVERY lbgt identifying faggot
Any regular homo is included
Even still it's a pathetic number for all the faggots being represented now
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>>388216218
There is a social aspect to this as well though, men tend to be far more competitive so it is more appealing for men to "opt out" of the competition than it is for women to opt in, further exacerbated by the fact that women have been doing more traditionally male things for decades now and that kind of takes the impetus for change away, since a cross-dressing woman is far more acceptable than a cross-dressing man and isn't immediately presumed transexual. You can work in an office all your life and live your life as a man and no one would be the wiser, trying to live your life as a woman specifically requires more specific and often invasive steps.
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>people here defending trannies
/v/ really is reddit
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>>388204690
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>>388216494
>All trans kids are brainwashed?
>trans kids
Kids are brainwashed easily, how can this puzzle you, pedo.
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>>388216630
>people
One delusional fag doesn't count as "people".
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>>388216494
Dysphoria is caused by primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Primary ones you are born with, secondary ones develop as you go through puberty.
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>>388216671
I like how depending on what the it in the first panel is supposed to be the comic can be either very endearing or just mean.
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>>388215240
How do you know their brain is correct and their body isn't? Signs indicate it is the other way around. Their bodies are healthy and functioning if you only look at trans sexuality itself.
The mind is the one that has a severe problem with the body and wants to severely alter it. But alas I guess we will only know for sure when complete perfect transformation are possible and cis people will transform themselves and not get trans symptoms.
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>>388216785
What? No, it's an inborn condition, like autism or bipolar disorder.
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>>388206104
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>>388217039
Please read what I wrote again.
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>>388216785
>Primary ones you are born with

Kids literally don't even notice those until puberty.
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>>388217174
>And secondary
And this point is still wrong, what are you getting at?

The things that are "caused by secondary characteristics" are not gender dysphoria.
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do tranns like vidya games
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>>388217418
Looking at those speedrunning events, yes, they do.
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>>388217418
No, but they do like to whine about them.
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>>388204690
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>>388217203
I agree, that's why most people transition later. To be honest I'm extremely skeptical of kids that say they are trans, but it's not impossible. If I would have told my parents about my gender issues when I was 5 my life would probably be a lot better, but I didn't understand them, and I was afraid to tell anyone.

>>388216919
It comes down to what is more ethical to change, the body or the mind.

>>388217279
Breasts are secondary charicteristics, you dont think they, or lack of them, cause dysphoria?
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>>388203926
yeah im (((phobic))) of everything, fuck off
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>>388204912
fred even went as far as to become a nigger
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>>388217663
>You don't think
Not causing it, no. Triggering it yes, but those are two very different things.
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>>388217663
>Breasts are secondary charicteristics, you dont think they, or lack of them, cause dysphoria?

Is every fat man a tranny?
Is every flat woman a tranny?
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>>388217663
Ehhh for the trans issue I would say the mind.
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>>388207760
>He was one of the first scientists to study the psychology of sexual fluidity and how the societal constructs of "gender" affect an individual.
wikipedia strikes again
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It annoys me only when it feels forced which is often

Wouldn't mind playing lets say a detective game which is set in some 70's underground gay community, at least then the devs could spam as many sexual freaks, gays and trans people on screen as they wanted
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>>388217663
>Breasts are secondary charicteristics, you dont think they, or lack of them, cause dysphoria?

Women who live with breasts for 50+ years and then get them removed for breast cancer don't get dysphoria.
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>>388214632
>it doesn't happen with legitimate cases, sure, but those are extremely rare and few.
not at all actually, most cases are legitimate, people who get treatment through transition are an insanely small fraction of trans people
>Anon we should probably stop talking here, if you're so uninformed on the subject then I'm wasting my time, you don't even know the basics and are going into extremely advanced material.
Well it's you who doesn't know the basics, or believes you do but you don't
>Yes, this is true, but with those conditions you don't get prescribed life changing hormone treatment, and while the meds can fuck you up still the effects aren't as permanent and rarely as invasive, people don't preach wide-spread "acceptance" over treatment either.
Yes however all those disorders, at least a large amount of them can make you a danger to yourself and others around you, while Dysphoria does include depression, you can get meds for that specifically and reduce it, trans people can be healthy productive members of society, more so than autistic people, blind people and so on, and even for them we do exactly that, preach acceptance.
> meds can fuck you up still the effects aren't as permanent and rarely as invasive
I would hardly call anti-psychotics not permanent and not invasive, if anything, messing with the mind is much more dangerous, mostly because we don't understand it. Hormones on the other hand are natural, you're not really doing anything your body physically can't do, all men have estrogen already in their bodies and vice versa, you are simply boosting growth of secondary sexual characteristic, it's not at all invasive and most of all completely reversible.
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>>388203926
Didn't actual Trans people hate it too?
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>>388217080
>>388206104
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>>388218012
yup bioware released a patch
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cont from >>388218001
>I don't give a fuck about most people anon, I care about the patients, their families and the people that prescribe dangerous and damaging treatment to them, fuck extraneous circumstances that have fuck all to do with the patient and their treatment.
then you are the "most people" because you're obviously ignoring a large aspect of this issue.
It's been nice talking to you, and a nice reminder why i hate modern medicine and the doctors that serve it. You can't have a clear cut yes or no diagnosis, not even with many physical health problems, your judgement is never going to be perfect, if you can't accept that and take the blame when you're wrong then gtfo pls.
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>>388218124

bioware are dum
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>>388214626
in the UK you can drink at 16, hormones aren't permanent, and 16 is the last cut-off point for the possibility of passing for MtFs which means the cut off point for actually being able to have a chance to live a normal life, assuming our society does not magically start respecting everyone.
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>>388205639
Okay nigger
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>>388215298
>Anon, transitioning doesn't turn you into a woman
wow wow
this is an entirely different discussion. "Woman" and "Man" are a lot more complicated terms than just XY and XX
>post-op regret comes from, realizing that the goal itself was unattainable
yes, that's not regret though, that's disappointment, it's an important distinction, they did the best they could and got as far as they could and are generally in a better state than when they have started, however it's not perfect and that's why they're still not "cured" either. That should be fixed by educating these people about reality and their options, and giving them the best chance they've got, by not encouraging repression.
>transitioning isn't treatment at all
but it literally is, it statistically helps, and as we know with trans people, statistics are largely under-representative
>the problem is much deeper than something that such surface level treatment can fix,
yes, the problem is gender dysphoria, it's very fundamental, i agree, but TRANSITION IS THE BEST TREATMENT WE HAVE holy shit you can possibly not deny this.
>cosmetic surgery can solve a psychological problem at your very core.
but it literally does, the psychological problem is basically about those "cosmetic" issues.
>What helps is the acceptance, people accepting the person for what they are and the (extreme) choices they make takes away the strong anxiety that is part of gender dysphoria,
yes indeed, however, to be accepted as a trans person, by yourself and society, you need some physical changes. I agree fully with your acceptance part, i have literally done a lot of things just to make myself a bit more tolerable to exist as, but there's no way i would have been able to do that without hormones. It's a bridge you need to build from both sides, if you could just accept your way all the way then maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but i'm a trans person telling you, unfortunately, it's not that easy.
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>>388215676
>"think with their bodies" or some shit?
isn't entirely wrong, i mean no, they think with their brains but they do not have a consciousness like we do, no self-awareness like that, no intellect, their mind is not separate from their body like ours is, because they're not aware of themselves the way we are.

>We very much can, both scientifically and ethically soundly, it's called therapy, and produces much better results than surgery even just going by base statistics.

Well yeah i suppose we can treat daddy issues with therapy or whatever, but gender dysphoria is a much deeper problem than some surface level shit like that, it's nature, not nurture, and we can't rewire someone's brain or consciousness that sits in it. And obviously, in cases of gender dysphoria specifically, no, any kind of therapy or even therapy with mind-warping meds and all that shit have never produced any results, never mind anything better than just transitioning.

>And again, the core argument is that you loathe your own body
on the basis of gender, i don't just dislike my own body, i just wish i had wider hips, breasts, narrower shoulders and a more feminine face oh and well a vagina would be nice too.
>your rationale or basis for doing so is not inherently relevant to what condition this is described as
except it is holy shit you can't be this fucking stupid, the rationale is the problem here, imagine if we treated all suicides as just "desire to end self" rather than looking into the rationale behind it, depression or whatever the fuck it may be.
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>>388218350
>causing trannies to suicide is treatment
That's the only thing you got right.
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>>388215676
cont from >>388218467

>The only reason "gender dysphoria" has a special name is so
we can classify the disorder and make a clear distinction that is necessary for proper analysis that you have completely skipped over to push your retarded argument that doesn't make any sense.
>because if it is properly classified
by your logic, if all suicidal tendencies were properly "classified" then we would not try to address the issue but instead just lock them all up. You can't classify everything, not everything is within the reach of our understanding, everything ever right now is just some fucking assumption made by some smug asshole based on "science" which is a series of assumptions backed up by previous assumptions.
Great medicine there doc, hope you burn if anyone ever finds out you ever said this shit.
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>>388218001
>Most cases are legitimate
Again, what are you basing this on? Not actual facts I can assure you.
>"N-no you!"
Again, don't just make a hollow refutation, provide basis or argument
>Preach acceptance
But no one would assert those are perfectly normal and there's nothing wrong with them, and that's a key difference.
>Anti-psychotics
I wasn't talking about severe fringe cases anon, specifically avoided those since they are pointless in a debate like this. Yes, there are psych meds out there that will really fuck you up, and especially in America a lot of uncontrolled medication is causing a lot of issues, but that doesn't really have much relevance to this subject.
>Hormones are not at all invasive
Except they really are, simply looking at the changes women in pregnancies go through simply due to increase in estrogen and overall hormonal imbalance is enough to suggest messing with that shit is extremely problematic and invasive, especially if you want to completely rearrange your natural balance through medication. Most psych meds are about stabilizing instability, hormone treatment is trying to create a completely different norm that is inherently unstable.
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>>388217814
You are absolutely correct, I agree. Sorry I was on a different page.
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>>388216218
any trans-related surveys were already debunked in this very thread, they can simply not be right in the current social climate.

>>388216494
>So kids can't have gender issues naturally because their body hasn't hit puberty and developed sex characteristics yet?
no they can, as soon as they become aware of their gender, as a kid you don't give much of a shit about anything and think you can become anything, but once puberty starts, and you get separated into two clear groups, boys and girls, that's when it becomes more apparent, and that's why a lot of trans people really face the issue during puberty and often try to transition late into puberty as well, unless they take the repression/suicide road.
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>>388218256
>hormones aren't permanent
Wrong. It causes permanent erectile dysfunction.

>being able to have a chance to live a normal life, assuming our society does not magically start respecting everyone
Why not just live it privately? Why society needs to change for a tiny minority?
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>>388216919
>How do you know their brain is correct and their body isn't?
How do you know their body is correct and their brain isn't?
> Signs indicate it is the other way around.
what fucking signs? astrological signs? traffic signs? lmao
>Their bodies are healthy and functioning if you only look at trans sexuality itself.
>trans sexuality
there's no such thing you absolute retard, stopped reading right there.
oh wait, this one's good
>cis people will transform themselves and not get trans symptoms.
Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
the exact thing you described, poor dude was forced into a sex change at birth, then even though he could have lived that way because it would take less effort to do so he decided to try and reclaim the gender identity he felt was right with him. This basically is 100% proof you can feel gender.

Anyway, Nice talking to you people (some of you anyway)
I gotta go now, i hope at least some of you come out a little more knowledgeable than before so you can form a real opinion for yourself, don't let doctors or the majority tell you what to think, think for yourself and respect others.
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>>388218694
>Why not just live it privately? Why society needs to change for a tiny minority?
This is everything that's wrong with the world right now, society needs to change for every minority, otherwise we are discriminating them based on the fact they are a minority, it's wrong, and if you think there's nothing wrong with it - you're an asshole and are gonna spend your asshole days on the wrong side of history.
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>>388218176
>You are ignoring
No, I'm simply not siding with you on it, and you're behind very dishonest about that.
>You can't have a clear cut yes or no diagnosis
No, and for that very reason we need to err on the side of caution, which is what I am advocating, rather than taking extreme measures with poor results at great cost to the patient's already troubled lives.
>Your judgement is never going to be perfect
Not sure where this is even coming from, but thanks captain obvious for your amazing revelation, you've changed my life! Really though, get over yourself and stop presuming, the fact that you thought this needed to be said is absurdly asinine.
>If you can't accept and take the blame when you're wrong
Again, where the fuck is this coming from? I argue caution since our diagnostic tools are poor at best and you basically tell me I'm wrong because we have extremely pool diagnostic tools... what?

Yes, we're wrong, we're wrong all the time, and would that be good enough to you? To say that to someone who is massively depressed post-op/treatment because you were wrong to prescribe it? Fuck no, you should be more careful and opt for reliable and non-invasive therapy and not physical mutilation to brute force a psychological problem that has little to do with the actual physique.
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>>388218694
Not that anon, but I keep my gender private because I don't like that it bothers people. It's taking a toll though. I miss going out, especially swimming pools. Swimming pools I miss the most. At some point I'll break and stop caring what people think., but society is so gendered it makes me sad I can't experience like normal people can.
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>>388218738
>How do you know their body is correct and their brain isn't?
Because the problem is caused by distress and anxiety in the mind. The problem is that someone thinks something is wrong while it is not.
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>>388219009
Why can't you go into swimming pool? Cancer patients, literal retards and amputated people can go there and they don't need to change society. What makes you so special?
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>>388218738
>so you can form a real opinion for yourself

Already have, trannies are disgusting. I'm sure some might be less insane then the others but that doesn't mean I ever want to spend time around them nor that I think what they do to themselves should ever be normalised or encouraged.

>respect others

Respect is earned, tranny.
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>Game has an autistic character
>/v/ loves it
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>>388219009
>but society is so gendered

Psst. That's not a bad thing.
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>>388219196
>The problem is that someone thinks something is wrong while it is not.
The problem is that something is wrong with the body and the brain knows that.
??
your arguments are hollow, and can be easily deflected.
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