>nature magic >druids and nature wizards >plant and

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>>388128331
>Implying nature magic isn't the most badass shit ever

nothing compares to the sheer creativity in which living things can kill other living things and the sheer horror they can inflict.

who'd you rather pick a fight with, the guy who shoots lightning or the guy who can summon botflies?

Don't care about anything you said, but I wanna bury my face in her socked feet and sniff them while she's all tied up like that

>>388128902
Lightning can fry you in an instant. Obviously I'd want to fight the nerd with a bug collection.

>>388129105
right up until he summons a barbed fish up your dick

>>388128331
because plants are green? If you want big boy moves you go with brown for earth magic

>>388129270
You're intentionally ignoring the point. A bolt of lightning is instantly lethal. It doesn't matter how gruesome some insects can be, they are not as dangerous to fight as a bolt of lightning. Your example was piss poor.

I think you're both forgetting that lightning is a part of nature

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>>388128331
That's just how it is.

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>>388129616
>death magic mid tier
it's fucking death dude how is that not god tier

>>388129616
>holy magic that high
Nice joke

>>388128331
>Nature magic
>Earthquake
>Tsunami
>Blizzard
>Lighting
>Animal and elemental summons
>Healing
>Disease and shit
Nah, nature magic is great

>>388129425
plenty of people survive lightning bolts, there's enough creatures with poisons and toxins that are vastly more lethal
or you know, so horrifying death is nothing but welcome relief

>>388129769
Anything in abundance can cause death. Death magic itself is not unique in this way. Most of the stuff it can do is nerfed to hell because all living things can resist death using an entire host of different advantages developed through evolution. Death is really only useful for instant kill magic which has a high chance of failure for balance reasons. This leads to an inevitable lack of utility or versatility which makes the school or branch of magic extremely limited and therefore ranked lower. It may be powerful, but only if it works which is not often.

>>388130148
Still arguing a failed point. Even if a lightning bolt doesn't kill you outright it will still render you paralyzed or very close to death, in which case another lightning bolt will either finish the job or further still prevent you from resisting. So on and so forth. Insects would need much more time to become effective, and also much more time to be summoned in the first place. You can realistically protect yourself from insects by wearing bare minimum clothing, and you can render just about every insect attack useless with adequate clothing/helmet. In order to prevent a lightning bolt from harming you you would need a very specific type of armor that essentially makes you a walking Faraday cage.

When it comes down to who I would rather fight, I would rather fight someone who can summon insects because with insects I would at least have an opportunity to fight back. A lightning bolt hurled at me would give me no chance at all. That's just how it is. Shit kicker. Come up with a better example to illustrate your point next time. Lightning is several powers of magnitude more dangerous to face than botflies.

>>388130737
>still prevent you from resisting.

don't think you're going to be able to resist much with a fish in your dick. listen, i get that you've got a hard on for the lightning bolt guy from that one larp video but your lightning bolt autism is getting out of hand

>>388130737
lightning mage has to see you to hit you, and no unless you're wearing a full diving suit you're not bugproof

which coincidentally also makes you lightning proof

>>388130078
it's god tier dummy, of course Holy is going to be on it

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>>388129616
>math magic
>not mathemagic

>>388130891
Lightning bolt would fry you. Insect summoner can't even summon fish, and he certainly can't summon creatures inside of his enemies. Get the fuck out of here with your make believe overpowered bullshit.

>>388130918
Bug summer has to know where you are to effectively kill you with insects. And since those insects aren't instantly lethal in the first place the bug summoner is still vulnerable.

Also a diving suit doesn't make you lightning proof, you fucking moron.

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>>388130737
>shoot lightning
>arcs harmlessly into the open because air is a terrible director of electricity

>throw swarm of poison bugs at someone
>unless they're on fire, underwater, or wearing a plated hazard suit, they're going to get bitten and die horribly
How can lightningbabies even compare?

>>388131140
plenty of insects that cause more pain than a lightning bolt ever could
and bug mage only needs to know where you are, lightning mage needs to have direct visuals

besides all lightning mage can do is kill 1 person, maybe 10 or so at a time, bugmage kills nations

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>>388131365
>>388131380

>>388128331
now watch as a tree shoots up your ass.

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>>388129616
>math magic

>>388130106
Technically, they could produce those results, but the majority of nature mages tend to specialize in less "destructive" forms. The number that heal or work with animals and plants tend to far outweigh those who manipulate natural events.

I also feel like most young mages would rather learn how to cast lightning or an ice bolt quickly than learn how to conjure a thunder storm or blizzard through the processes of nature magic.

Very rarely do you see a true master of nature magic exhibiting their wide array of abilities.

I blame the schools.

>>388129616
what does crystal magic even do
shouldn't gas magic be at least high tier, imagine a real devious gas wizard just magicking the air into carbon monoxide or some shit - you just get fucked without knowing shit

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>>388131884
well plants or animals can be deadly to
wouldn't want to deal with the guy who weaponized the gympie gympie

>>388131884
Pillars of eternity might be boring as fuck but I like what they did with druids, more elementalist less healer

>>388132171
Ever gone in for a crystal treatment?

>>388129425
>lowly mage casts bolt of lightning
>true nature patrician summons a tree to take the impact
>lowly mage unintentionally created an exploding tree which kills him
what now, fag?

>>388133237
I assure you by the time a nature mage realized a lightning bolt was coming it would already be through his chest and into the ground before he could channel fern gully to grow a tree from the ground. A tree growing is remarkably slower than a lightning bolt, and even in the event that a nature mage knew the bolt was coming, the lightning mage would simply take a few steps to the side to get a clear line of sight for the lightning bolt.

And besides, there's no reason why a lightning mage is limited to shooting bolts from his hands. He could just as easily call one down from the sky if he's at the same level of magical proficiency as someone who can make an enormous tree appear in a fraction of a second.

>>388129616
>math magic
Fucking jews and their numerology

>>388133556
the worm in the lightning mage's brain is telling him

>>388130737
>mage shoots lightning bolt towards you
>goes for nearest ground source (his feet)
>kills him

wew

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>>388128331
>lame and gay bullshit
nigga plz

>>388128331
I want to lick those socks

>>388134260
I don't know about gay but it looks lame as fuck

>>388134381
Swamp Thing and Batman are the only good DC comics

>>388133925
Can't summon shit inside other shit. Never happens.

>>388134145
In no game, fiction, or fantasy literature does magically cast lightning bolts behave so ineffectively.

>>388134515
>mage shoots lightning bolt
>nature mage isn't a greenhorn bitch
>has grounding vines
>lightning bolt completely harmless

>>388129616
Why does this take everything out of nature magic (lightning, earth, etc.) and put it in separate tiers?

>>388134624
You are aware that even if the nature mage is grounded the lightning will still pass through his body starting at his chest. Right?

You do know that just because something is grounded that it doesn't mystically make the electricity disappear, right? It just means the electricity ends up in the ground. What happens to it BEFORE that is what causes the damage. The only way to prevent the lightning from killing the mage is to make the lightning go to ground before it touches the mage.

>>388134687
How else would you put nature in shit tier?

>>388134687
Nature magic doesn't encompass every single concept that occurs naturally, you boob.

>>388135019
I mean, yeah it basically does. That's why it's called nature magic. Animals, healing, the elements--those are almost always used in druid type classes.

>>388129616
What are some good examples of love magic?

>>388135207
Everyone ever in charge of writing or designing how systems of magic actually work disagrees with you. You're taking the name too literally. Might as well create your own school of magic called "all magic" and claim it's the most powerful of all because it's right there in the name.

tl;dr: You're wrong.

>>388135337
Nah. Play some more vidya.

>>388134687
Because nature magic is a very old school of magic that we cannot just simply discredit due to being "behind the times".

Even though its fields of study are broad and unfocused and the specific teachings vary wildly from one area to the next.

>>388134896
>he doesn't have barkskin on 24/7
What are you even?
captcha: gracias poplar

Is there any RPG where I can conjure up equations and deal whatever damage I want using my arcane mathemagicks?

>>388135597
What am I reading, what setting are you talking about you dumb fuck?

>>388135428
No video game ever that differentiates between schools of magic enough to possess a "nature" magic school makes that school possess all concepts that occur in nature. AT WORST nature encompasses lightning but cannot account for fire which occurs naturally, water that occurs naturally, air that occurs naturally, etc etc etc.

>>388135702
Wouldn't stop electricity from killing you. Realistically. A lightning bolt arcing into your chest would not stop at some wood on top of your skin.

>>388135786
Dungeons of Dredmor has a mathematician mage or something like that.

>>388128331
In MtG it also symbolizes big powerful beasts.

Pokemon and other stuff also give nature the power to poison.

>>388135849
Duh that's what the grounding vines are for.
And besides if you're going to realistic the mage wouldn't even be casting lightning. He'd be ionizing the air towards the victim. otherwise he'd be shooting himself.
Fucking realism fags.

>>388135849
Stop using the term nature magic then, because pretty much any game with druids have them use lightning, fire, animals and other shit

>>388135786
FF Tactics

>>388135991
Unless your nature mage is pre-emptively rooting himself in place every time he sees someone he wouldn't be able to protect himself in time to render a lightning bolt less effective. Also in case you're fucking illiterate and didn't read my earlier post, grounding vines would not stop a lightning bolt from killing anyone because the lightning still passes through the target INTO the vines and INTO the ground.

>>388136212
I don't make the fucking rules, bro. Nature magic does not encompass everything that can be considered natural. Ever. You're taking the name too literally. It would be more accurate to describe the nature magic you're talking about as plant magic.

>>388136391
yes, lightning magically ignores all physics and is actually a beam and doesn't travel through the most conductive material.
You're shit at this.

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>he doesn't rate shit magic

>>388136502
>lightning magically ignores all physics and is actually a beam
Did you forget you're talking about fucking lightning magic?

>>388136391
>I don't make the fucking rules, bro
Which rules are we using?

>>388136502
Human body loaded with water and minerals is pretty inviting to a charge of electricity. All things considered it more inviting than the air itself, and yet to become a bolt of electricity in the first place it needs to possess enough power to travel through the air. Something that powerful is usually fatal even though we're not the best conductors of electricity we're certainly better than air. Wood is an extremely poor conductor of electricity. Vines are less conductive than human flesh. Unless your nature mage is summoning a metal rod from the ground he's going to be struck and killed.

>>388136616
If that were to be a thing: High Tier

>>388136725
His.

>>388136725
Pick your poison. As I stated before no fantasy game or literature that differentiates between schools of magic has all of the natural elements strictly and solely under the nature magic umbrella. If it's specific enough to possess different schools of magic, other natural phenomena that occur in nature belong to other schools of magic that are NOT nature magic. Nature magic almost always deals specifically with healing, plants, growth, animal control, biologic functions, and poison. Rarely does it possess anything that would be more appropriate in another school of magic especially if the other schools are split up into the 4 basic elements (fire, water, air, earth) because usually in that case nature magic takes the role of earth magic.

>>388133237
>>388133556
>>388133925
>>388134145
>>388134624
>>388134896

Not summoning a solar prominence from your hands? It is like you guys can't into magic.

>>388129616
>No diplomancy

>>388129105
well you can protect yourself from lightning using trees, or redirect it with water towards the caster.

>>388136391
Shooting an honest to God lightning bolt is a pretty powerful spell in most regards that would probably require charge up time, unless you're okay with just tickling them for a bit. Otherwise nature guy is just gonna throw a slab of rock or some shit at your face.

>>388137417
1. Nature mage isn't a water mage.
2. None of that is as fast as a bolt of lightning.

>>388137465
That's fine. Offensive tactics that prevent the lightning mage from getting his spell off is the most effective strategy. Taking a defensive posture against magic that has an inherently penetrating and fatal effect is the wrong decision.

>>388137665
Would lightning penetrate through a small tree that a nature guy summoned between them?

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>>388128331
>t-tuhrees are gay
Say that to my face why don't you, humans would have been raped and enslaved by the fish people if not for motherfucking trees

>>388137095
>not summoning a cloud of angry fucking wasps at the poor fucker that dares to challenge you

>>388137775
Depends on the power of the bolt and the size of the tree. Also depends on what kind of lightning bolt the spell was, because if it was chain lightning it wouldn't matter in the slightest.

>>388137931
What if it was a rubber tree?

Fire mages never have to put up with this bullshit.

>>388137813
>Alien God and a fucking Tree are sworn enemies in eternal combat. Supporters of the tree include a race of machines that live deep down
Etrian 3 was some Hell of a drug

>>388137996
A rubber tree would be less effective at stopping a lightning bolt than a run of the mill tree. Rubber doesn't stop lightning; it's just hard for lightning to pass through so the lightning goes somewhere else. Since the point of the lightning bolt is to end up in the chest of the nature mage, I'd say the rubber tree did a great job at helping the lightning bolt.

>Be nature mage
>Lightning mage strutting around like he owns the place
>Not standing out in the open like a moron so he can z-z-z-zap me
>Unless the engagement is taking place in a purely artificial environment I can use my magic to discern his location indirectly
>Use my book of Australian Lore to summon a ring of stinging leaves around him
>He commits suicide

>>388138207
What if it was closer to the Lightning mage then it was to the nature mage?

What if the nature guy just grew more trees then the lightning had chains?

>>388129105
Lightning is also a force of nature, and I would prefer the chance of a quicker death over the chance of a slow agonising death

>>388138213
Concocting a scenario in which the nature mage possess every possible advantage can result in the lightning mage's death. This is apparent.
In a scenario where one faces off against another with neither having a terrain or environmental advantage, the lightning mage's instantly lethal offensive power dwarfs the nature mage's instantly lethal offensive power. Since instant lethality is enough to determine the winner of the encounter, the lightning mage would win more often than not.

>>388136681
>treats it like real world lightning about conductivity through body
>all other shit is lol magic
fucking retard

>>388138213
Australia mages are OP
>can survive tardigrade killing climates and conditions, including having 200% BAC
>immunity to venom and capable of summoning jetpack-wielding spiders
>can use mad bantz to goad enemy mages into suicide out of shame
>innate bonuses to grappling for when magic fails
Only Emu mages can get rid of them, but otherwise they're pretty niche

>>388138325
Any nature mage capable of summoning trees large enough to quickly and effectively stop a lightning bolt would be at a drastically higher level than the lightning mage in the first place. Any equal level mages of these schools would see the lightning mage win merely because of the offensive capabilities being uneven. Even if we're talking about very high level mages facing off, there's very little a nature mage could do at the upper echelons of power that an equally top level lightning mage could not overpower with brute force. If we're getting into obscure implementations of the magic too the lightning mage still wins because the human body's nervous systems runs on electricity and it takes relatively little to short out a brain.

>lightning fag(s) itt assuming instant casting times for their lightning mage

>>388138441
>Complains about scenario giving one side an advantage
>Presents a scenario giving one side an advantage
Who is going to willingly 1v1fitemefaggit a lightning mage in a sterile environment. Assuming nothing has been precasted, of course the lightning mage is going to win. That's not a fair fight, that's playing to the lightning mages advantage.

Can the lightning mage summon a lightning elemental?

>>388128331
Erika is an incredibly underrated gym leader. Her and Sabrina are two of the prettiest ones.

>>388137480
What kind of mage are we talking about? Because last I checked, a nature mage has control of everything that's in nature. Water, stone, wind, electricity, fire and wood included.

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>hating on healing magic
Also, what kind of person would ever choose summoning botflies as their signature spell? That's gross.

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>>388139012
The best kind of magic lets you turn people into anime grills

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>>388128331
>plant and tree monsters
>Lame and gay
>What is Ferrothorn
>What is Trevenant
>What is Tropius
>What is Serperior

>Be healing mage
>Lightning mage zaps me
>Armed spell activates and revives me afterwords
>Two years later the lightning mage dies of cancer
gg no re

>>388129616
I don't know any other forms of love magic other then variations of a charm spell. How creative can we get with this?

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>>388138709
They both die, Lightning Mage would waste his mana zapping Nature Wizard with his most powerful and quickest or a preprepared spell, but Nature guy was probably already surrounded by or was in the midst of calling half a dozen animal companions who go on to maul the now exhausted Lightning Mage who doesn't have the mana to fight off an entire family of Owlbears.

Why don't nature fags just merge their lifeforce with the planet becoming one entity and then kill all other mages if they don't get off your planet? What are they going to do, kill the planet?

Only time and space fags can escape alive and solve the situation without risking dying later because the planet is dead. Maybe death too if they go full Lich.

>>388139356
Meant to quote
>>388139012

>>388129616
>Math magic
Wouldn't that be space/time magic?
I've seen somethin like pure mathmagic in some fantasy worlds but it's always super autistic and not too well implemented.

>>388138761
So in a fight where neither side can prepare, a lightning mage would win.
In a fight where BOTH sides can prepare, the lightning mage will more than likely win as long as he can find a way through or around any of the preparations the other mage can perform.

This is the point. Nature mages cannot stack up against a lightning mage all things being equal because the schools of magic possess inherently different attributes. Nature magic is not purely offensive. Lightning magic almost always is purely offensive. I'm merely pointing out that in this hypothetical scenario where paper beats rock, paper does indeed beat rock. There are schools of magic that can realistically possess an inherent advantage over lightning, but NATURE is not one of them.

>>388138985
Please list an example in a game or literature where a nature mage specifically possesses all of those powers and isn't just referred to as a magic user in general. Any system that differentiates between schools of magic enough to merit a "nature magic" distinction does not possess all of those powers.

>>388129616

>math magic

This unbridled autism has no place here

>>388139229
>What is Serperior
Smug as fug

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>>388139436
Keep in mind this entire argument spawned because some idiot insisted that he would rather fight someone who can shoot a bolt of fucking lightning from his hands over someone who can summon botflies. Botflies which incidentally aren't even lethal under the worst conditions on Earth and take weeks to cause gruesome but ultimately treatable symptoms.

>>388139436
I always thought that animals were a part of nature but not necessarily nature. In this way a nature mage can't just control and command animals because of extensive expertise manipulating plants.

>Nature magic lets you control animals and have them fight for you.
>Humans are animals before anything else.
Really makes you think. Who could win in a fight.

>>388139446
>naturefag becomes the planet
>timefag goes back to before he was the planet and fucks him up right proper
>this has happened countless times and no one is the wiser

>>388131079
Source?

>>388139527
I will admit that the lightning mage has the advantage in a scenario where both sides are unprepared. It is a top tier reactionary magic tree.

As for both having prepared, you say that a lightning mage would win should it get through the nature mages defences, but the question would be HOW it would do so. A lightning mage is of course a powerful offensive force, but a major weakness is its lack of flexibility. A prepared nature mage is perfectly capable of ensuring the environment is to its advantage, and a lightning mage does not have the means of dealing with the myriad of ways a nature mage can dispatch somebody in a favourable environment. A prepared nature mage does not have to directly engage the lightning mage at all, and the lightning mage does not possess a means to force the engagement.

>>388129616
Where would telekinesis/kinetic magic go?

>>388140223
Wherever you want it to, considering how poorly the list was put together.

>>388139990
When were you under the impression the planet wasn't under the control of a second naturefag who pretended the first naturefag was in control of the planet, so he could remove all timefags that tried to fuck up the first naturefag without no one being the wiser.

Why do you think you don't see time travelers?

>>388139820
An experienced nature mage would control both, since animals are pretty huge in their role of keeping plants alive and helping them propogate, or injuring them and culling them.

>>388139527
A druid in Diablo 2

>>388139368
Well, I'm sure there's some dumb stuff like getting stronger if you're in love or are loved.
There's probably some kind of love-based healing and/or defensive spells.
Animal control is just charming animals really.

I can't really see love magic being terribly strong unless you could find a way to make objects or spirits love you.
If you could make an element love you, then you'd really be cooking, but how the fuck would you even go about that?

>>388139908
Nature magic/duidism/etc typical doesn't extend their control of animals to anything with meaningful intelligence.

>>388140308
I assumed the time police were on top of things.

>>388140406
If love magic involves stimuli couldn't you make someone orgasm to death? What if you somehow harness all the love in an area and can redirect it at will.

>>388140173
I assure you if a nature mage is capable of casting more than one type of spell then the lightning mage is capable of casting more than one type of spell. He isn't limited to only casting lightning bolt, nor does it needs to come only from his hands. Almost anything truly damaging coming from the nature mage would require the nature mage to have direct line of sight to the lightning mage, which would make him inherently vulnerable. The only reasonable thing a nature mage could do to render most of the lightning mage's attacks pointless would be to burrow and start growing hostile or lethal plants above him, summon dangerous allies, or both.

Like I said there are ways a properly prepared nature mage COULD survive an encounter with a lightning mage, but it almost entirely requires the nature mage to have adequate time to prepare and ultimately hide. There's little else he could do in the face of such overwhelming destructive capabilities.

>>388129616
>no wild magic

>>388140316
Druid in Diablo 2 does not possess all of the spells the wizard does. Your point falls completely flat.

>>388140643
>I assure you if a nature mage is capable of casting more than one type of spell then the lightning mage is capable of casting more than one type of spell
Name one that isn't some variation of a lightning bolt

>Almost anything truly damaging coming from the nature mage would require the nature mage to have direct line of sight to the lightning mage
A nature mage could just ask the local top predators to do him a solid and fuck off to let them do their thing.

>>388140315
It wouldn't make sense for a nature mage to be that good when it's arsenal is so varied. It sounds more like a master of none. It would probably get wrecked by a beast master and plant manipulator.

>>388140643
Why are you puttin so much effort in a white room discussion? Seriously who the fuck cares? Why are you doing this?

>>388140308
The omnifag made sure there's planets for naturefags and timefags to do their business on

>>388129616
>all sorts of dumb "trying too hard to come up with something" shit like gas magic, steam magic, mud magic, etc.
>no fucking music/sound magic
What the actual fuck you retard

>>388140610
Disabling someone through orgasms sounds possible, I don't know about killing them.

It really seems like a pet class though, where you just have your horde of "loved ones" slaughter for you. Unless you're able to directly capture your target that is.

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>>388129616
>No cosmic magic
It's shit

>>388140643
>Almost anything truly damaging coming from the nature mage would require the nature mage to have direct line of sight to the lightning mage
Stopped reading right there. A nature mage doesn't even have to be in the same area as the lightning mage, if the environment permits.
>"Hey mr. tree, ask your friends where that lightning faggot is"
>"Okay, thanks"
>Pulls out his list of a thousand different spells that can immediately rekt the lightning mage with complete safety and impunity.

>>388140406
>but how the fuck would you even go about that?
Depends on the setting.
Maybe the elements are controlled by sentient beings, only granting their favor to people that interest them, and revoking them if those people fuck up in whatever ways.

>>388140903
Just a few examples. Stun. Energy shield. Telekinesis. Teleport. Nova. Shit like that. You're mistaken if you think lightning mages are a one trick pony. Granted some of this stuff falls under broader schools of magic, so does a lot of nature spells if you want to go that direction. Summoning would belong to only summoners in that case.

No matter how limited or broad you want to get, the ability to throw bolts of lightning is far more effective at killing in a 1v1 mage duel than anything in a nature mage's lexicon.

>>388140903

Lightning body, lightning spear, magnetic shit like levitating or supercharging objects making them deal damage on contact. A good lightning mage might also utilize devices by charging them with lightning, or have a lightning ring carry lots of charge so he doesn't have to keep summoning clouds, bolts and shit.

>>388140919
That would depend entirely on what degree of experience either side has. An ancient nature mage as old as a forest is going to be good at both.

>>388141056
Nigga got a stick up his ass and this is the only way he can get some form of release.

>>388141278
Yeah, unless love was actually tangible, it's just emotional control which is an offshoot of mind control.

>>388140708
>Druid in Diablo 2 does not possess all of the spells the wizard does.

What wizard? What are you talking about???

And when did I say that he possess all spells? He has command of everything in nature.
Want another example? How about a druid from 3.5:
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid_Spell_List

>>388141314
>Stopped reading right there.
Ignoring the argument isn't winning the argument. I don't see why you would sit there and brag about intentionally ignoring the person you're talking to. If you care so little then why respond at all? If you do care, why not actually engage in the argument?

Oh that's right. You're losing the argument which is why you're ignoring the argument. Like a woman or a child does. As long as you don't acknowledge why you're being logically blown the fuck out then you can't lose, right?

Wrong. You have a shit argument and I'm making you eat shit with every post.

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>>388141518
Saving this for later use

>>388141518
Is this pasta?

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>>388128902
>muh trees
>muh bugs
You know what burns really well?

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>>388129105
>lightning
Some dumb shit like electric punches, whatever
>nature
TOMMY GUN

>>388141673
Fuck this nature vs lightning shit, it's time to ask the real questions.

Is a fire mage stronger then a water mage?

>>388141496
You've glossed over the important part of the argument. Any nature mage that specifically is given the title nature mage among other mages with other equally specific titles like fire mage, ice mage, water mage, shit like that, does NOT possess all schools of magic. It specifically and solely deals with >>388137028 examples like this. The world of Diablo does not differentiate between schools of magic in this way and therefore the example of the druid in Diablo is not a nature mage; he is a druid. He is not a nature mage standing next to a fire mage next to a water mage next to a lightning mage.

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>>388141673
>being able to cast anything while you're constantly getting interrupted by a swarm of insects forcing its way down your throat

>>388141335
How the fuck is control of lightning give you telekinesis or the ability to teleport?

A Hippopotamus is statistically more deadly than lightning. Ergo someone who can control a Hippopotamus is more dangerous than someone who can control lightning

>>388141812
Short answer, no.

>>388141850
>Implying pyromancers can't flame on

>nature is gay

How can nature be gay when being gay is not natural? Checkmate atheists.

>>388141812
It's not an argument of power levels. It's how they use their magic. A fire magician can be more destructive than a water magician with less effort, but he can't destroy some things. Namely, water.

>>388128331
Nature is gay. Ever seen a badass druid? No didn't think so.

>>388141851
Lightning is really fast so if you stand on the tip of a lightning bolt you could basically teleport.

>>388141812
Depends on if you consider water in it's non-liquid form to be under the control of a water mage.
If no than fire mage, if yes, than water mage.

Okay, say you boil it down to the classic elements: Earth, Wind, Water, Fire.

Fire should eventually be the one to get lightning powers, right? My friends have argued it should be wind because storms. Who's right?

>>388142043
if that's true then why do I have to straighten my cables to get faster internet
checkmate lightningfags

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>>388129616
>No shapeshifting magic
Gay

>>388142168
Tell your friends to stop watching Avatar.

Water and wind are more likely to have lightning than fire. heat =/= fire.

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>>388141851
How the fuck is being able to grow a sapling giving you the ability to control animals or summon insects?

We're talking about schools of magic. Schools have different aspects to them. I listed some examples that are typically found in a lightning mage's grimoire; just as examples of nature mages controlling animals and summoning creatures are usually found in a nature mage's grimoire.

Some of these spells belong to other types of schools of magic if you dissect them and specialize them to an absurd degree, but the more you take apart the schools the more you realize a nature mage's repertoire is far more offensively limited than a lightning mage's repertoire when you start taking away summoning spells and animal control which would belong to summoners and beastmasters. Taking away spells that manipulate the ground or the earth because that's the bailiwick of earth mages. Taking away spells that inflict poison because that would belong to poison mages.

Nature mages would inherently only possess the ability to grow things if you were to separate the schools into a singular type of spell, and a lightning mage would STILL retain the ability to fry him at a distance with one of the most effective killing spells in all of fantasy literature.

>>388142168
It's actually water.

>>388142168
Wind is not an element. The classical elements are earth, water, fire, metal and wood.

>>388142394
And a nip nong ching chong to you too.

>>388134687
Then how about some
BEING MAGIC
if it be, I control it.

>>388142317
Making seeds explosively grow could probably be used offensively. Especially if your opponent is one who eats seeds.

>>388142317
A nature mage loses a lot if you nitpick the details away, but a lightning mage does not have much in the first place.

The most diverse aspects of lightning magic is lightning aligned summons and using lightning for non-offensive means. Lightning magic is the poster child of inflexibility.

>>388142636
Requires preparation and element of surprise. Question isn't whether a nature mage COULD win if given a clear and overwhelming advantage. Question is which one of them would win an encounter if neither had an external advantage.

>>388129769
He probably played too much FF
>finally get Death spell 2/3rds through game
>every single boss you meet from then on is immune
>has a small chance of killing mobs but it's so unreliable you're usually better off casting something else

>>388142317
And today's word of the day is "bailiwick".

Good word, my man.

>>388142736
Turns out you don't really need to innovate in a 1v1 duel when you've got the power of lightning.

Godtier
>Holy
>Time
>Gravity
>Lightning
>Light
>Death (necromancy)
Good tier
>Ice
>Blood
>Fire
>Dark
Mid tier
>Wind
>Earth
Shit tier
>Water
>Nature

>>388142778
What if you are standing on grass? Maybe they can't exceed the normal growth of grass but if they can then they can basically crush someone.

>>388143072
looks like somebody needs their parade rained on

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>People saying Nature magic is shit
Do you know why you don't start land wars in Asia?
Nature wizards.
>>>/wsg/1844039

>>388142317
In any game I know where nature is a school of magic they always have animal summons and control over plants

>>388143085
Once again any nature mage capable of performing magic to that scale, for the purpose of comparison, would need to face off against a lightning mage capable of performing magic at the same scale. Ergo if a nature mage is capable of making grass crushing someone, a lightning mage would be able to summon a lightning storm that would change the face of landscape for years.

>>388128331
those legs are symbolizing my dick to arousal

>>388128331
>lame and gay
that's like, your opinion, man

also, obviously because leaves are green... mostly

Earth > Water > Air > Fire

>>388143315
I know, which is why it would be an improper comparison to take away all of the tertiary spells normally associated with lightning magic and not take away all of the tertiary spells associated with nature magic. In order for the comparison to work you can't claim one would win when you actively render the other useless strictly for the sake of the argument. Both mages would need to follow the same ruleset; so if you give nature mages spells associated with other more specific schools like summoning or poison, you need to allow for lightning mages to have spells associated with other more specific schools like abjuration and conjuration.

How many years of study do I need before I am ready to go to the elemental plane of lightning?

>>388143658
All of them

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>>388141994
>>388141812
>>388141673
>>388128902
>Not mastering thermal energy
>You could both freeze people to 1 kelvin and excite molecules where you could burn people

>>388142317
Then say the Lightning Mage is fighting a Sadida or some shit and not a Nature mage.

"Nature Mage" is a stupid thing to call what you want to be fighting because the earliest "wizards" in human history have always been the guys and gals who control nature. All of it. Being able to get rain to come or get bears to fuck off and get stuff to grow or diseases to fuck off. "Nature Mages" and they're abilities are ripped directly from that.

>>388143752
Damn, knew I should have studied time magic.

The insanity would have been worth it.

>>388129616
>dark magic
>low tier
8/10 bait take your (you) and begone from this place

>Natureis beauty
That was a good fight

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>>388143895
Tree hugging pussies the lot of them. Call me when you learn a spell that doesn't involve a butterfly net for a reagent.

>>388128331
feet

>>388144206
fat

>>388144236
NO

>>388143923
I might have rated it higher if I knew what it could do, besides making me stub my toes into furniture.

>>388143923
>dark magic
>most poorly defined magic school
>probably destroys your soul too
It's shit tier

>>388143072
>shit tier
>water
Yeah I'm just gonna leave this water bubble around your head so you're just gonna drown if you try casting anything

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>>388144361
>dark magic
Get it? Get it?

What other times of magic can green be associated with? Wind magic?

>>388144317
How is manipulating the world into killing your opponent and his entire family without them even knowing about it not a God tier form of magic?

Hexes would be the most terrifying thing on earth if they had any actual power

>>388143610
Don't talk about ruleset when you make shit up as you go faggot

>>388140131
https://e621.net/post/show/1096026/2017-3-animal_genitalia-animal_penis-anthro-aogami

>>388144361
It's poorly defined because it's every single setting's classification for magic that is too bad ass or unethical to teach most schmucks.

>>388144507
Swamp magic

>>388144283
fat mages that fatten you're waifu

>>388144552
I'm illustrating that no matter the ruleset a mage specifically designed to harness lightning magic would outperform a mage specifically designed to harness nature magic. The more powerful you make one, the more powerful you would need to make the other in order for the comparison to be accurate. In all instances a lightning mage is far more lethal than a nature mage whether you give both mages every spell typically associated with that school or you give both mages only a small handful of spells typically associated with that school. Nature magic is by far a much more passive, healing school of magic while lightning is a far more aggressive, destructive school of magic. The more raw power and utility you give the nature school, the more raw power and utility you give to the lightning school. Understand?

>>388144843
What's the baseline I wonder? Would making a sapling instantly grow to a tree be equal to a lightning bolt shot from a hand?

>>388144843
>I'm illustrating that no matter the ruleset a mage specifically designed to harness lightning magic would outperform a mage specifically designed to harness nature magic
That's because you're biased and unimaginative

>>388144843
A master of Lightning magic would only master lightning, and a master of nature magic would master everything in nature, including lightning. I don't get it, you keep talking about schools, but in all sensibility, the ability to control lightning, a force of nature, falls under Nature magic.

>>388145180
Not with his imaginary rules

naturefags are literally that one kid
>NU UH THATS NATURE MAGIC TOO, I CONTROL ALL THE ELEMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL NATURE

What about nature vs nurture magic?

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What about waaagh magic?

>>388145475
Does nuture magic include the Nursus Handjobbus spell? Cause it'd win by default then.

>>388145475
Nurture magician uses kindness to convince the Nature magician they should not fight

>>388145351
>nature mage control natural elements
Stop the fucking press

>>388129769
gods don't die

>>388145095
The baseline would have to be the first remarkable feat that either made could perform at say level 1. At level 1 a nature mage could probably grow a tree to roughly 12-15 feet in under a minute. At level 1 a lightning made could probably kill a rat with a tactile touch. The rate of progression would vary depending on which ruleset you follow but many of the arguments made earlier in the thread lead to the nature mage relying on spells typically attributed to different schools of magic in order to survive.

>>388145134
And yet I'm rationally and logically explaining every thought and argument when presented with an opposing idea. The more power you give one the more power you'd need to give the other in order for a comparison to be made.

>>388145180
As I've stated many times before "Nature magic" has never and will never encompass every aspect of natural phenomena that occurs in the world unless that nature magic is the only type of magic present in that world. If there is a separation in the schools of magic fine enough to merit a distinction for a lightning mage, the scope of power for a nature mage would be just as finely distributed across many different schools. You can't claim a nature mage controls all magic in the same world where a lightning mage exists. There would be no need for the distinction. It makes no rational sense.

>>388145674
Do they bleed?

jp wont contain us
THIS IS A VIDEO

>>388145674
depends on the setting

>>388145723
The distinction is that lighting mage create lighting where nature mage have to conjure a storm

>>388129616
t. Pascal

>>388145917
Nature mage would be unable to perform that spell unless you're allowing for a specialized mage to dip into multiple schools and render the existence of the argument pointless. A nature mage would not have access to spells only a lightning mage would rationally possess, and vice versa.

Being a nature mage doesn't grant you the power to summon a force of nature unless that force of nature is specific to the nature school of magic; for instance an ancient behemoth or green dragon. Whereas a lightning mage could summon a storm or a blue dragon. Get the picture?

>>388143072

>Shit tier
>Water

Are you not familiar with dehydration and how broken it is on potential alone?

>>388146259
The argument was always pointless because it doesn't rely on any rules

>>388144659
thanks

>Tfw dark magic is just edge themed astral magic.

>>388138731
blizzard go and stay go, you've fucked ele shamies way too much

>>388146518
I offered you multiple opportunities to provide an example where a nature and lightning mage exist in the same universe and describe how in that universe a nature mage could possess an advantage over a lightning mage.

Without a specific example under YOUR belt you're going to have to come up with rational, logical examples that pull from multiple rulesets and convince me that you're right. If you're unable to do so it doesn't necessarily mean that you're wrong; just that you don't have the resources to convince me which is fine. You don't have to admit that you're wrong, but you can't realistically tell me that I'm wrong unless you can argue the points.

>not learning space magic for those sweet infinite-range punches

>>388128331

If only she didn't have on any socks

>>388128331
>nature
>never uses fire or water
as if forests dont burn down naturally or get flooded 0 fucking imagination going on i swear to god

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>>388146806
>having a space teacher or space learning materials available that you can understand

>>388146783
But every time someone provided you with nature magic you rejected them because
>hurt it's not nature

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>not being a plague druid
>not wanting to bring entire nations at your heel from an unseen threat in the most horrific manners
>some of which can be used in industrious or farming ways for alchemy, souls, elements, rituals, and so much more
>some diseases even for beneficial qualities if you're creative enough
Haha okay, fag. You do your cute little firework trick or play with vermin like they're dogs or whatever, bud.

>>388147127
dude Panacea lmao

>>388129616
Nature is literally everything though

>>388147212
I'm sending my rats at you first, girly boy.

>>388144429
I roll to drink the entire bubble of water

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>>388147230
Apparently it's only growing plants

>>388147306
Not if I summon cats

>>388147481
Better check them for fleas.

>>388128331
Erika best girl.

>>388147072
Looks like you didn't read the thread; only jumped in late. I only took that stance when people were insisting that lightning mages can only cast essentially one spell where nature mages were pulling from half a dozen different schools. I gave many examples of the versatility of lightning mages to put it in the same realistic realm of utility they were giving the nature mages. I then went on to explain many different times that you cannot give nature mages a wide scope of power without also giving lightning mages the same scope of power. I then went on to explain many times that no matter how much or how little you give BOTH mages, the lightning mage still possesses the inherent advantage because of the offensive type of magic lightning is and the defensive type of magic nature is. In order to make nature magic more offensive in nature you have to pull from different schools of magic to compensate, and if you're going to buff nature you have to buff lightning. Lightning never loses its lethality no matter how much you nerf it, but nature does. Nature only gains lethality when you buff it, but lightning becomes even more lethal.

As my original point still stands I'm going to call it a day here. I would much rather fight someone who summons botflies than someone who can shoot a lightning bolt at me. Anyone who would do otherwise is an idiot.

>>388144690
Nine times out of ten, Dark magic either has horrible side effects or corrupts the user and turns them evil. And it rarely lets you do anything you couldn't with other magic. It's shit.

>>388147575
You'll be the guy with botflies coming out of your dick then, I guess.
I'll be happily dead after getting turnt to ash.

>>388147575
>I then went on to explain many different times that you cannot give nature mages a wide scope of power without also giving lightning mages the same scope of power.
Why not?

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>>388147687
>immerse yourself in water
>larvae die
Africans who are afflicted with botflies literally never submerge themselves in water their entire lives.

>>388147768
Wouldn't that be unbalanced?

>>388147687
Kek. Black people can't swim or wear plaid.

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>>388147575
>grow thorns vine at your feet and strangle you
Inb4 you can't for some reason

>>388147849
Why does it have to be balanced?

>>388147230
A nature mage could conceivably recreate and possibly influence any natural phenomenon eventually, but you wouldn't be creating and manipulating the elements like other mages.

Getting lightning to strike or even making a thunderstorm is possible, but you couldn't cast a lightning bolt from your person, create a ring of lightning around yourself, or channel the shit through your body like a lightning mage could. And the lightning mage would probably outclass your bolt and storm by a couple stages.

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>>388147994
For the comparison.

>>388147967
My neck is at my feet?

>>388147849
It doesn't have to be.

Lightning magic is a very narrow focus, so by its nature will have a more narrow scope of power.

>>388146783
But you're argument is that a lightning bolt is inherently instantly deadly, but there aren't any settings where a lightning bolt from a mage would both instantly kill another mage of the same level AND be a spell that can be cast instantly. Because video games are dumb and players demand balance.

>>388148001
As a general rule I think you shouldn't be able to create elements as a nature mage only manipulate them

>>388148001
>can do thing that's identical to other thing
>but the process of having thing done isn't the right way
The end is the same, even if the means differ. Just sprinkle some rain on lightningfag and laugh as he winds up shocking himself

>>388148095
They continue to grow until they reach it and the damage from the thorns prevent you from casting spells

Holy fuck are you people actually autistic enough to think going back and forth saying
>I do this to you with my magic so I win
>Nuh uh I counter by doing this with my magic so I win
For 500 posts?

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>>388138813
I want to be that pokemon.

>>388148130
The scope if lightning is fairly wide if you allow it to pull from reasonably related schools of magical processes; just like the scope of nature magic is fairly wide if you allow it to pull from reasonably related schools of magical processes.

>>388148231
Any balances that would be made to nerf lightning would also affect the lethality of nature magic. Under no cirumstances where both schools are balanced would nature magic become more offensive and deadly than lightning magic. Nature magic is inherently defensive and used for growth and healing. In order for it to possess that utility and still be useful and balanced, lightning magic would either also need to possess abilities used for defense and healing or lightning magic would need to be balanced for more lethality to make up for its lack of defensive power. There exists no ruleset or universe where nature magic is more deadly in a 1v1 wizard face off than lightning.

>>388148262
I do not know how long it would take a nature mage to gather the clouds, but the farmers would like him.

>>388148437
A lightning bolt to the chest would put an end to your little channeling fanfic.

All this talk of magic, and not a single mention of mind magic.
>Mind rape
>Even if you hide, you can still be found, and mind raped
>Illusions
>Enslavement
>Projections
>Barriers
>Memory erases
>Force suicides/self harm
>Making you retarded
The list goes on.

>>388148534
Lighting bolt take longer to cast

>>388148537
Psionics are a different beast entirely, with their benefits and detriments. Great against people and beasts; terrible against mindless things like golems and machines.

>>388148460
More than 500, seeing as how this thread isn't anything new.
I really wish the pornposters would get busy, but there isn't too much material to go off of.

>>388148483
>related schools of magical
Such as?

>>388148631
If casting a lightning bolt spell takes longer than growing vines up from the ground to strangle someone to death then what you're describing is as I mentioned fan fiction. Either the nature mage is absurdly higher level than the lightning mage in which the comparison is pointless, or the nature mage would take just as long to cast his spell in which case the lightning bolt would be loosed as soon as the vines emerged from the ground.

>>388148492
Depends on his level

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>>388148537
>make stuff pop out of other stuff
>telefrag stuff
>kill anything
>hypnotize anything
>feed off the damage dealt to other thing and have it kill itself if it tries to attack you
Shit's mad OP, which is why it's the best

Yeah every magic is the best when you talk about it in a vacuum where you have infinite power and skill and are using it against a helpless person who's always slower and weaker than you who never does anything to defend themselves or react.

That's every post ITT

>>388148809
Nature != summoning, poison, metal/ground/earth, beast control, fire, wind, rain, etc.
In examples of universes where nature mages possess these sorts of spells, lightning mages ALSO pull from schools like abjuration, conjuration, teleportation, telekinesis, etc.

When you take away all of the other schools nature mages are left with very little aside from healing and manipulating plants. When you take away all other schools lightning mages can still shoot lightning bolts.

>>388148810
>If casting a lightning bolt spell takes longer than growing vines up from the ground to strangle someone to death then what you're describing is as I mentioned fan fiction
They take less time because they're just vine bro, thinking casting a lighting bolt is shorter is the real fabrication
>Thorn vine: cast time 5 does 1d2 damage per round last 1 round per level
>Lighting bolt: cast time 9 1d6 dmg per level

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>>388142394
I think these are aristotles elements of matter. He was pretty much a proto chemist. It's cool history.

>>388148972
Nobody's claiming one school is the end all best. It's rock paper scissors. But in the scenario people are arguing, paper definitely beats rock.

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>>388129616
I never got why Nature magic always gets the short end of the stick. Nature isn't just plants, its a combination of nearly every basic element into one massive package. Nature mixes the basic elements together to form some deadly shit.
Lightning + Wind + Water = Storms/Hurricanes/Tornadoes.
Fire + Wind = Wildfires
Earth + Water = Tsunami
Earth + Fire = Volcano
The list just goes on, its amazing how much potential nature has to be the "Elemental Master" class, but it just get's fucking plants.

>>388147442
I forgot what this was from.

>>388128331
>Using gay as a pejorative
as a double faggot I take offense at that

>>388149407
If a lie is not told it cannot become yuri

>>388149383
Balance

>>388149293
And like I said, if thorn vine is sufficiently powerful enough to kill someone before they can cast a single spell, then that nature mage is absurdly overpowered compared to its target. Using your example it would mean the lightning mage has at most 2 hit points. If the thorn vines do not possess enough strength to kill someone before they can cast a spell, then that nature mage will be struck by an even more destructive spell.

You chose a really poor example. The argument is that lightning magic is more lethal than nature magic. All you've done is illustrate that nature mages are approximately 66% as effective at killing than lightning mages.

>>388149131
But even when you strip it down like that, the primary advantage that a nature mage has over the lightning mage is the nature mage being able to both conduct indirect methods of combat, and force indirect combat, while the lightning mage both cannot, and also cannot force a direct confrontation.

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>>388149569
Thanks pal.

>>388149383
If a "nature" class of mage possesses that much power then there would literally be no other type of mage at all.

>>388149672
The true bane of all magic in any playable medium.

>>388149690
They kill because each tick disrupt your attempt at spellcasting

>>388149727
who is this anal angel

>>388149761
It's not just about being able to do a wide variety of things, it's also about how well they can be done.

Arcane magic is known for being able to draw from a ton of different school, but that doesn't make it more powerful than each given school at their aspect.

>>388149761
You act like people have a choice whether or not they're magical.

>>388149715
That's been addressed earlier in the thread. It was already described how a nature mage could survive and find a way to win. It's never a guarantee that a lightning mage would win in a fair fight. My point was originally that if given the choice to fight against a nature mage and a lightning mage, I would choose the less instantly lethal mage because I would ultimately have more time to figure out a way to survive and potentially fight back. With a lightning mage it's a much shorter fight and given no other sort of information about what sort of abilities I possess it's much riskier to attempt to fight someone who can end my life as quickly as their namesake suggests.

>>388149672
Is for gay niggas
After enough balancing is done, you wind up picking a magic school based on which has the most /fa/ spell effects

>>388149851
Which would never be allowed in any ruleset in any fictional universe.

>>388149383
Cause when people say "nature magic" what they actually typically mean is "bio magic". But terms like that don't really fit into most magic settings.

Like no fucking shit if you consider "nature" to be "the entire natural world" then it includes everything. But that's fucking stupid and defeats the whole purpose of having different schools and nobody wants to play with that shitty kid who says "my power is to have every power".

>>388149761
Holy, dark, time and other more esoteric shit
Also nature mage would be specialised, some would pick lighting other ice and only the oldest one would master every elements

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>>388148480
Me too

>>388150070
You never played Baldur's gate?

>>388149761
What I'm saying is that nature is the perfect idea of an endgame super-class, but it never gets utilized as such. I understand why it would be over powered, but in the context of an end-game class, overpowered is exactly what they're supposed to be.

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Reminder that green magical girls are consistently the least popular of all colors. Nobody likes them, not even little girls.

>>388149993
But the "fight" itself is completely ambiguous, and could just as easily fighting at long range in a thick forest against a nature mage as it could be fighting in a featureless, coverless arena against a lightning mage.

The lightning mage has no advantage in something that isn't defined.

>>388150370
But I do

>>388150197
Which I've already addressed before. Any instance where a distinction between a nature mage and a lightning mage exists, a nature mage would not possess all of the power of the natural world except lightning. Magic of things that occur naturally would be distributed across multiple schools, one of which would be lightning. If lightning magic (a fairly specific subset) exists and merits specialization, then nature magic would be adequately cut up into fine pieces and render any solely nature mage strictly incapable of doing anything aside from manipulating plants, healing, and growing various things. While that can be just as powerful and useful as other schools, it would not be able to rain down comets from the sky or turn a mountain into a grassy plain.

>>388150493
It takes place in a wide open area and the nature mage start in shallow water

>>388150282
When was the last time that spell was lethal against a spellcaster with access to lightning bolt, my friend?

>>388150301
And overpowered is fine if that's the only class of mage; but if it exists alongside a lightning mage then that nature mage would not be overpowered. Almost all of its spells would be metered out to more specific schools and it would no longer be the ultimate "all magic" school. Which is the entire argument we're having.

>>388150640
Yesterday

>>388150764
Except this loquacious waste of space you've created on this site relies so much on hypothetical situations and imaginary rulesets that are never touched upon that your point is moot, and we've all been wondering when you'll shut your autistic mouth about it.

>>388150493
The argument can be made that a nature mage can win an encounter. It has already been made. I already acknowledged that a lightning mage is not guaranteed victory.

You dumb fuck. Read my posts.

I've illustrated that in most scenarios the more aggressive, destructive, and offensive school of magic will be more effective at killing an opponent that uses the passive, healing, and defensive school of magic.

>>388150926
Equal level? Equal equipment? Equal preparation? You're undermining the point of the comparison if you're acting like a single thorns spell from a mage would be so absurdly overpowered that it can render all action from an equally experienced target useless until they die. That simply does not happen; not even in forgotten realms.

>>388151105
You've had plenty of opportunities to provide a specific example of how a nature mage exists alongside a lightning mage and would realistically win more encounters against that lightning mage than it loses.

I keep hammering the point in because you idiots keep popping your heads up.

>>388151138
Your point was that there's no setting were dot interrupt spellcasting

>>388150174
An easy compromise could be that nature mages use the power of natural phenomenon, while elemental mages gain full control over an element for unnatural phenomenon. A nature mage can use tornadoes and wildfires because they're naturally occurring phenomena that involve wind, however a wind mage could manipulate wind in unnatural ways, allowing him to use wind for feats such as flight, super speed, blades of high pressure-wind, etc.

>>388151271
My point was that dots that interrupt spellcasting are not lethal against equal level opponents because that shreds all balance. It doesn't happen in Baldur's gate; it doesn't happen in forgotten realms. It doesn't happen in any fantasy literature. Direct damage always does more lethal damage because of the type of spell it is. Spells that do damage over time AND paralyze the opponent are ultimately direct damage spells with even more utility. In order for them to be adequately balanced their damage is significantly reduced. This happens in all instances where balance is important.

How thick would your ice wall need to be to stop a standard lightning bolt?

>>388151238
You've had plenty of opportunities to provide specific examples of vidya or even TTRPG system that could handle such a claim, yet you continue to drone on about what scenarios your imagination can come up with.
This is a pointless cycle of you flinging your shit around until the room is covered in it, and anyone with any interest in discussing it saw you for the troglodyte you are and left you to it.

>>388151372
Call it weather magic then.

>>388151491
Unless it's chain lightning, thickness wouldn't matter.

>>388151484
They might not be lethal but I can use the time it bought me to cast other spells or just bash your head with a rock

>>388151494
Of course I'm giving examples that pull from multiple settings. That's the nature of the argument. In order to make the argument for the hypothetical scenario you're supposed to do the exact same thing; pull examples from multiple settings.

Unlike you I am actively addressing the points people make with their examples. I am explaining with a rational line of thought why I believe what I believe. That's how arguing works. I provide evidence, either directly or though assumption, how this scenario could or would realistically happen, and I expect the people I'm arguing with to do the same. In order to convince me that you're right you're going to have to appeal to me with logic.

You have failed to do so, and now you're claiming the argument is no longer worth your time which is indistinguishable from saying "you win".

>>388151547
Nature involves earthquakes and shit too, but I can see your point. Nature could be split into terrestrial and weather to make things more fair. Terrestrial gets to summon grounded natural phenomena, weather gets to summon non-grounded natural phenomena.

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>>388151809
My logic is that you're a looser

>>388151775
Which as I just stated the reason why they're less lethal. They possess that extra utility of disabling the target which makes them less dangerous and more vulnerable, but never does the spell itself possess more destructive power than the spells in the lightning mage's arsenal. Given any scenario where the two would face off you can't realistically say the lightning mage would always be instantly and perpetually stunned by thorns; nor say the lightning mage would never be able to cast a spell. You also forget that lightning also possesses a paralyzing, stunning effect on its targets.

The argument is about which mage you would rather face. Would you rather fight a nature mage or a lightning mage?

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>>388151965
Obviously, but at least I'm not standing toe to toe with a lightning mage; just a nerd with a bug collection.

>>388152024
A lighting mage

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>>388129105

I could be wrong but does nature magic cover plagues and diseases since bacteria and viruses are a part of nature?

If so Nature mages/druids could just kill you indirectly by spreading diseases and causing global famines. You wouldn't know who to lightning bolt because you don't know who the nature mage is....

>>388128331
What do those socks smell like?

>>388142394
fuck off, sean

>>388152139
Depends on the setting

>>388152139
how'd that girl get a bird for a benis

>>388152134
You're a fool.

>>388152139
If a nature mage possesses that sort of power, than an equally powerful lightning mage could scorch the planet with electricity for decades at a time. A nature mage could set off a pandemic in certain settings, but in most settings a nature mage would never do such a thing because of how inherently destructive that is to nature itself; total genocide of multiple species which alters the ecosystem of the planet in unpredictable ways.

>>388152368
>You're a fool
Nah I'll die no matter who I face so I'd rather face the guy who'll kill me quickly

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>>388152161
Sweet honeysuckle.

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>>388152518
You don't want deadly cock-rot? You sure? I can do that, you know. I don't even need to use magic.

>>388152368
>multiple species
Only human trash

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>>388128331
>Forgets about The BFG 9000

>>388152973
Gun wizards shit upon lightning and nature wizards alike

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>>388135905
And the cycle of life.