>has a fantastic setting/story, but the gameplay is utter

>>387963412

Pretty much every JRPG...

loiter squad
jk i loved that show

>>387963412
The Witcher 3

>>387963412
Metroid prime

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>>387963445
>JRPGs
>fantastic story
I'll give you settings when it's not High School though.

>>387963412
would Alpha Protocol fall under this?

Heard good things about it, but holy fuck does it play like shit

>>387963412
Would you suck my cock?

>>387963412
Witcher 1. what the fuck were they thinking

>>387963705
Would you touch my penis?

>>387963412
I actually really like the idea of killer animatronics in a chuck e cheeses building, like you could do make a solid horror game with that setting, but nah it has to be wasted on a game full of cheap jumpscare youtube clickbait bullshit.

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>>387963412
Legend of Mana. the combat is real bad, but everything else about it is perfect.

>>387963445
Would you lick my dick?

>>387963412

Destiny

>>387963412
Wouldn't say the gameplay is complete garbage but Alice Madness Returns had a fantastic art style but the gameplay itself was lackluster

Morrowind

>>387963412
Spec Ops: the line

X C X
C
X

Search your heart, you know it's true.

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>>387963412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02M0bd53AM
Dark Souls III. It feels like I'm playing online with massive lag.

Deadly Premonition

>>387963412
The Secret World

>>387963412
Brink.

The game itself was only lackluster, but the world they built and how they displayed it were brilliant. Had great potential for other works of fiction, or another type of game.

Horizon

>>387964347
I wish that game didn't play so much like an mmo, the setting and story makes it tolerable but it can be a real chore to play.

>>387963412
Probably gonna incite some hate over this one but
>Phantom Dust

I am glad they didn't go full on card game, but I wish this game was a better action game.

The Getaway

>>387963412
>video games
>fantastic story
Top kek. Read a book, retard. Stories in video games are always fucking awful.

>>387964512
The Witcher is a book.

>>387963412
Every Xeno game ever

Mother 3

>>387963781
The only JRPGs with the shitty high school setting are all those shitty Atlus RPGs

>>387963412
Ni no kuni.

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>>387963412
>Secret of Evermore
Except it's opposite cause the gameplay is amazing and the story sucks because of all the shit that got cut

Brink

>>387963465
best recent example

>>387964085
But that's the opposite

>>387964568
and the books (mediocre by the way) were much better than the games.

New Vegas

>>387964870
favorite game of all time but the combat is absolute dogshit.

Asuras Wrath is the worst offender here.

Wish it had stayed the musou-like game it looked like in the first reveal

>>387964031
>crafting system is fantastic and incredibly deep
>game is so easy there's no real reason to ever use it
God fucking dammit.

>>387963465
This

Witch and the hundred Knight, you little shit

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>people would rather play a game with shit gameplay but with a "good" setting, story, or characters over a game with good gameplay and shit any of those

>>387963412
Bioshit Finite, but only the setting.

>Could have really tackled the hardcore racism of the era and made civil rights and revolution a huge, impactful core theme
>Chicken out hardcore and have one "OMGEEEE SO POWERFUL" moment with a baseball
>Could have really fucked around with time/space/alternate timelines
>You can only warp in select, trivial things that help very little if at all
>Could have had puzzles galore, infinite floating islands, lots of explorability, branching paths, bouncing around to do side-missions
>Somehow managed to do a hallway CoD-clone in the sky

How the fuck did they fall so far with such an interesting concept?

SOMA
Bioshock 1

>>387965420
why is it so hard to have both? these retarded hypothetical "would you rather have this shitty choice or this shitty choice" are so stupid.

>>387965497
Bioshock's gameplay was fair enough for the time.

Aged like cheap wine though. It's hard to play it again but I can still choke it down if I get the itch.

Someone needs to mod in some of the shit from 2.

>>387965080
Have you read them? They're really not, the games are much better.

>>387965630
Time. Money. Not having enough of either. Not having enough bug fixers, not willing to hire outside talent, constantly looking at the bottom line. Pushing a release date like a hard fact. Pandering, or not pandering, listening too much or not listening too much.

People don't make games for themselves/their friends anymore. That died in America after the N64 gen, and elsewhere around the time of the PS3.

>>387964659
The setting in Xenogears is nothing to write home about. Generic earthly stuff

>>387963412
persona 2

>>387965830
>People don't make games for themselves/their friends anymore.

Maybe take that Triple A cock out of your ass and play an decent indie game once a while.

>>387963412
Xenogears.

>>387965650
It was 2007. I think it was pretty underwhelming for its time. It was just a shooter, if it were an RPG I'd agree at the time melding the 2 usually resulted in a pretty subpar shooter, but bioshock came after a huge number of way better shooters. They removed pretty much all RPG elements from System Shock but left the combat from 1998 in place.

The original half life is a better shooter.

>>387965869
t. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about

>>387965764
I did, the games made me vomit. Awful voice acting, shitty writing and music playing at the wrong times made every story scene pretty much shit.

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>>387963465
This

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well not utter garbage, but compared to everything else it is

>>387964659
Xenoblade games are fun as fuck

>>387963412
Your life

>>387963412
Most WRPGs.

>>387963412
The Elder Scrolls - [every single game]

>>387965967
Xenosaga

The entire beat 'em up genre.

>>387966001
???? Explain to me places in Xenogears that are as unique as Xenoblade

>>387963412

Telltale Batman (season 1)

>>387966246
setting =/= environments alone

>>387965963
>indie game

Excuse me, I thought we were talking about mainstream gaming entertainment. Sure indie games can be fun, but they lack money. Last time an indie game got big bucks we got No Man's Sky.

>>387965998
Yeah, but I can't throw a handful of fucking bees at Sploicers in Half Life.

Some itches just need scratching.

>>387964873

>>387966318
That's what I was talking about tho, I said earthly stuff you dingbat. You fucking replied to me saying I was wrong. Tell me how I'm wrong.

>>387966339
>but they lack money
>Last time an indie game got big bucks we got No Man's Sky.

you have no fucking clue what you're saying, especially when you're using no man's sky of all the things in the universe to generalize the entire indie scene

>>387963412
Mass Effect 1

>>387966496
the setting includes the eldrich backstory and deus reconstruction spaning 10000 years culminating at terraformation via deus's awakening

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>>387964678
The gameplay in Mother 3 was alright. Not subtle or nuanced, but it alright.

I rather like the story in Mother better, but holy fuck is it a fucking chore to play through. Holy shit mang. Now that is horrible gameplay right there.

>>387966564
it's okay when Taro does it

>>387966519
No Man's Sky started indie, got noticed, and wound up with a shitload of money. A lot of indie games have very small budgets, and wind up being small passion projects due to it. They're fun as shit for a few hours, then you're done.

No Man's Sky was a passion project that got a shitload of cash and a shitload of hype, and ultimately failed to deliver.

Are there really any truly sprawling Indie games out right now?

>>387966620
That doesn't change the fact that the environments are generic.

>>387966704
It took Platinum to make a Taro game feel tolerable to play since DoD1.

Pyre.

>>387966805
and that doesn't change the fact that setting isn't limited to environments

Legacy of Kain, for the most part.

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>>387966745
>No Man's Sky started indie

>>387966818
Did it not? Did I miss something?

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EVE is like that one dude in the locker room at PE who gives you a boner right before he sprays shit all over the showers.

>>387966906
see >>387966916
I remember it being like a fringe idea project at one E3, then people's boners exploded through their pants and they got pumped with cash.

Fill me in, what am I missing?

>>387967000
I was under the impression that shit was getting pumped with money from the get go.

>>387963412
Enslaved Odyssey to the West
Gameplay was so meh but I legit enjoyed the premise of it. shame it ended on a cliffhanger

>>387966745
hollow knight

>>387966745
>They're fun as shit for a few hours, then you're done.

are you legitimately serious

>Are there really any truly sprawling Indie games out right now?

Uhhhh, fucking yes? Shovel Knight? Slime Rancher? Binding of Isaac? Hollow Knight? Cave Story? Hellooo? These are just only the most recent ones to boot.

>>387967101
Nope. Hello games was a 4-man operation at least until 2013, when they made their first demo. Hello Games was a small, unknown studio at the time, and only about a dozen people were working on it until it's release. They received massive support from Sony after whatever E3 made them go viral.

>>387965026
The art of Destiny is really good, and the lore is interesting even if it mostly boils down to "evil aliens wreck good aliens but get wrecked by good humans"

>>387963412
The last of us

>>387966883
I never said that tho. I said Earthly, which means similar to Earth, dumb dumb.

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>>387963412
Still hurts

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>>387967221
>Uhhh, fucking yes?
>Hellooo?
You have to go back, dude.

>>387967232
E3 2014 I'm sure.

Undertale

>>387967403
nice rebuttal

>>387967221
Binding of Isaac has a lot of replay-ability due to being procedurally generated IIRC, and Cave Story wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't realize it was a long game, though.

Outside of Shovel Night, which helps me put what I dislike about modern indie into proper words, I haven't heard of any of those.

And what I'm getting at is I dislike the false sense of nostalgia associated with all of the "great" indie games. I don't dig the pseudo-retro style.

I guess my arguments are really more personal opinions, then. I want good games that utilize modern technology as opposed to games limited by cash, which results in "unique" or "retro" artstyles.

Every assassins creed, if we discount story and count just setting.
They could literally take the engine and make literally any other game with it and it would be pretty swell game.

>>387966183

Name one beat em' up with a good story/setting.

>>387966745
Depends on what you mean by sprawling, but I've put a good 50+ hours into Dustforce and still haven't full cleared every level.

La Mulana is Indie and I would describe it as Sprawling

>>387967421
Nigga gameplay is the best part of undertale. And it's pretty shit.

>>387967418
I feel like that's when everyone got hype for the idea, and at 2015 they got hype with the demo.

Then it dropped and everyone was like "This is just Spore with a fresh coat of paint and none of the other stages of Spore except first-person space."

>>387967534
God Hand

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every metal gear game
except mgs5, which has a terrible story, but good gameplay

>>387967478
uhhhh, yes it fucking is? hellooooooo?

>>387967493
are you implying all indie games don't utlilize modern technology?

you seriously need to look around more. not all indie games look like shovel knight and play like ass like no man's buy

>>387963412
Mad max.

>>387966564
Nier's gameplay is fine and Automata's isn't really that much better

>>387967705
V's gameplay is literally just dumbed down 4's.

>>387967586
Dustforce is the sweeping platformer, right? I'll have to give it a go.

Just looked up La Mulana (because I never looked into it when /v/ was jerking themselves off about it), why the fuck does it look so much like that multiplayer treasure-diving game? What the fuck is the name of it?

>>387967705
it's the opposite actually
at least V has good cinematography and doesn't have awful exposition shoved into cutscenes

>>387967865
NIER's gameplay is fine in concept, just lacks any level of refinement and feels too clunky as a result.
Auto's actually had some polish and feels that much better imo, although that's not a difficult achievement by any means.

hikkikomori no chuunibyou has a nice atmosphere and very good pacing, but the actual gameplay is pretty crap. the platforming is pretty alright though.

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>>387968123
>I don't know what cinematography means but I'm gonna use it anyway

>>387967795
Alright, show me some 3D indie games with fully destructible environments running on a decent physics engine.

Show me a 3D indie Action-RPG with real-time combat and an in-depth leveling and weapons system.

Shit, show me a good FPS that doesn't look like it was made with legos.

Make some recommendations, man. If you wanna save the face of indie games so bad, show me what you got.

>>387968102
You mean Spelunky? Great game.

>>387968102
Spelunky.

La Mulana looks like a Spelunky prototype.

>>387968353
Fuck yeah it is, I love that shit.

>>387963412
Why does /v/ think that combat=gameplay?

>>387968292
>3d indie arpg
Not him, why do you need it to be 3D exactly? There are plenty of 2D ones that are really good games. You'd know this if you actually played videogames.

>>387968292
For your second option, Look up Path of Exile. It isn't a very pretty looking game but it fulfils those requirements.

>>387968570
Well, you're either doing a puzzle, a sim, combat, or a blend of some/all of those three things.

>>387964512
>games cant have good stories, read a book instead!
I bet you're a CoD babby faggot

>>387968638
Because I'm sick of 2D. I'm fed up with platformers and side scrollers, mostly. I'm farming for games if you haven't noticed.>>387968645

>>387968645
Is that the crazy-complex Diablo clone? I'm fuckin' down.

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>>387968570
Brainlets who don't understand that gameplay is about how everything -combat, level design, enemy design and placement, etc- works together. Deus Ex has shitty combat, but great gameplay. MGSV has great combat, but shitty gameplay.

>>387968858
Its that Diablo clone with a passive tree of a fucking billion nodes. Replace Weapon System with Gem System and you got your requirements. They recently released an expansion too.

>>387966845
pyre's gameplay was great though

still hoping for online multiplayer

>>387968963
Fuck yes. I was looking for something more akin to Kingdom Hearts/FFwhatever the new one was, but that is also perfectly acceptable.

>>387968716
Anyone that acts like books as a whole are superior to the storytelling of literally anything else that supports storytelling is talking out of their ass. There are probably millions of books that are inferior to Fallout 1, and I can guarantee you right now that there's some autist in this thread that wants to tell me how his favorite RPG was better written than Fallout. You're most likely right about him. He'd probably drop Fallout after 5 minutes due to it being "clunky" or whatever.