Is it worth learning nip to play untranslated games if you have

Kinda pathetic.

Atleast try learn relevant languages for better job prospects or even heck learn a programming language, learning nip for some shitty untranlsated hentai VN's is silly.

If you take an actual class, yes, because you get the social benefits. But I would say this about learning any language. Also, you shouldn't listen to the people saying Jap only takes a couple months to learn. They're either super geniuses or fucking liars.

>>387920159
no.
Get /fit/, learn to play violin, or learn C++
The effort you would have to put into it to read some poorly written visual novels is not worth it

>>387920260
don't listen to this anon. get all the shitty untranslated hentai vn's you want

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>>387920159
>>387920159
No, but learning it to fuck some cute nips IS worth it

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>>387920159
Learning another language is always worthwhile, especially if you have a tangible reason to do so.

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It's good only if you don't waste time of your life that you could spend in a better way.

>>387920159
If by games you mean VNs then yes

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>>387920159
I'm using Google translate. The pic scan works okay but active translate comes up with some pretty funny shit.

>>387920260
you do get better job prospects by knowing jap. and learning a language vs. learning coding aren't really comparable
as for hentai VNs, that's not the only stuff that doesn't get translated. and even if it was I don't see a problem

>>387920819
WE MAINLY KANGZ N SHIEEET

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>>387920345
As a spanish speaker japanese is extremely easy, I have problems with the runes because I hate drawing.

Anglos just suck at learning stuff.

>>387920159
Learning Japanese solely to play videogames, is like a Japanese person learning English, just to listen to rap music. In the end, you will still be puzzled by slang and modern day dialect.

>>387920159
No, the good games always gets translated either officially or by fans

at least you would be working on something

>>387920870
I can't picture any useful job one could have by knowing amateur japanese. If you want to be a translator for books, treaties, movies or games you have to get some certification. If you want to trade with nips you are supposed to know some other practical shit other that "oniichan cum on my toes". A degree in economy or some real world experience is needed. You can't be a touristic guide if you know only japanese, so there is really no use for it. Now, if it was about spanish, english, german or french i would get it, but japan is just too irrelevant

>>387921175
EXCEPT for the fact that english is used in most countries outside of Japan so they are actually forced to learn it if they want to go in any other country or job purposes.

>>387920870
>>387920408
It's a pasta guys.

>>387921130
>As a spanish speaker japanese is extremely easy

I wouldn't say its "extremely" easy, but its easier than for anglos, since we have the pronunciations down already. Also we already know a ton of verbs conjugations, wich is already fucking hard as balls to learn.

>>387921175
Japs could actually land some pretty good jobs if they learn English.

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You gotta make it worth, at the beginning I just wanted to play untranslated games but now I actually want to move to japan to work at a big tech company and meet qts

>>387921241
well you've got a point there
I guess when I think "I want to know [language]" my definition of the word "know" would be "knowledgeable enough to be a fluent speaker" at which point getting certification would be pretty easy
but OP did specify learning it just to play games so I see what you're saying

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>>387920159
If you watch anime & read manga too, it's perfect. You can help fellow anons doing some translating in the future. With VN it is harder, because that's all or nothing, you either can read or not. While watching animu with subtitles you can hear words, and sentences, and its structure. You can always run double subtitles with English/Romanji too. It's definitely harder to learn to read, than listen & speak.

Go to /int/ for serious resources in some language general, spend min. one hour a day, and use all bathroom for Duolingo exercises, any commutes to listening audio exercises. Be consistent.

And don't listen to:
>>387920260
>>387920374
Like getting money, or working out so some roasties will like you more is the only proper way.

Remember anon, if you want it enough, you can learn it.

>>387920159
It is worth learning nip for far better things to do than playing vidya, anon.

Like fucking well-paid jobs, but then again, you are a NEET, so why would you care about such thing

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>>387922657
>well-paid jobs
lol

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>>387920159
That's what I did and I'm pretty happy, if by games you means VNs of course. You'll feel pretty satisfied when you can read and understand stuff but there will be plenty of hard times too.

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>>387921618
Wh...What? Japanese is literally one of the hardest language for a native english speaker to learn.

>>387923520
My BBF from uni is doing just great. I've studied Chinese, he was studying Japanese, we now both make over six average pays without putting any fucking effort into it, just because I speak fluent Chink and he speaks fluent Nip and Dutch.
Amazing what you can achieve with just a bit of language skills and a bit of audacity.

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>>387925609
>Language proficiency in Polish
>In 44 weeks
>Learning Chinese
>In 88 weeks
Chyba cię pojebało

How long does it take for the novelty of simply being able to read anything wear off? I just read a few graded readers and even though it was shit like "Ryo and the old woman go up the stairs" I was still ecstatic the whole time just because I was reading another language on my own.

Maybe, yes.
If you enjoy the culture as a whole, it's a good idea. If you're doing it just for the games, probably not much.

>>387925609
Pro tip - if it will take you so much time to learn any of the "blue" languages, you might be simply retarded.
40 characters a day is the expected pace of learning both Chink and Nip from university student. That means you will know ALL characters within a year.
Grammar in case of Chinese is a fucking joke (because it doesn't exist). Grammar in Japanese is obtuse, but if you bend your mind around the fact it's obtuse, it comes pretty easy.
And Korean grammar is easier than English one, you stupid shit.

Keep beliving in stupid memes. The easiest way to needlessly cripple yourself.

>>387925912
The moment you get the characters down (as in - read them and understand) it's a piece of cake.

>>387925912
You should be feeling it wear off in a few hours

>>387925912
Give it a little while. I haven't had this yet, but there's dreaming in other languages. And then finding a native speaker and seeing their face light up when they see you try to attempt to speak to them on, I would say, a more intimate level by trying to understand them. And then there's always impressing people with how much you know. So beyond the "holy shit, I can actually read this." there's always one step further that's gonna blow just being able to read out the water. The next good part is when you can start hearing key phrases by ear

>>387925609
>Only 20 million more people speak russian than japanese.

>Only 50 more million people speak fucking hindi or whatever language it is in goddamn India than japanese.

This chart is all kinds of fucked.

>>387925609
>Finnish
>Medium tier
>For English user
Yes, I can totally imagine a fucking native English speaker managing Finnish declension in less than a year. Mhm.

Who made this shit?!

>>387926193
>Grammar in case of Chinese is a fucking joke (because it doesn't exist).
I pretty much know nothing about Chinese. Could you elaborate on this? It sounds interesting. How does the language work if this is the case?

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>>387922662
Kind of accurate.

>>387926446
Its native speakers and India has many languages.

Hate to break it to you but asking complete strangers if it's worth it or not says it's probably not worth it for you. You and you alone know if it'll be worth the time and effort, and no it's not easy it's a fucking commitment. If you half ass it you will only waste your time and gain nothing.

>>387926446
Those numbers are correct, you stupid idiot.
If you think there is just one language in India, you are going to have a bad time.

>>387920159
>Is it worth learning nip to play untranslated games if you have nothing better to do?
sure why not

>>387926541
Not that anon but out of the big 3 East Asian languages Chinese is probably the easiest to learn. I'm not sure what they mean by grammar doesn't exist but at the very least it does follow certain conventions English follows compared to Japanese/Korean. At surface level Chinese also follows a SVO sentence structure for the most part.

>>387926193
Know all of the characters in a year? Surely you don't mean every word that exists in the language

>>387926193
I don't know Chinese so can't comment on that but Japanese grammar is not obtuse, it's extremely simple. It has very few rules and almost no exceptions to memorize.

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>>387926541
Let's think. Chinese lacks grammar gender, tenses, declension, declination, mood... it doesn't even have plural and singular forms (things by default are in plural, unless specifically noted that threre is just ONE of something)

It's all about sentence structure. So the moment you know bare bones of the sentence structures (and it's like in German, so each and every time the same structure in given situation happens, making it easy to memorise) and Chinese characters, you know everything you need.

Spoken part is different part of a story, but it HEAVILY depends on your own native tongue. For me it was no big deal, but then again, pic related. If you happen to be English native speaker, it's a guaranteed you are going to be tone-deaf and unable to pronounce properly xi, ci, si and z, c, s, because English is fucked up and you are indoctrinated from your infancy to be fucking deaf on different sounds.

>>387926974
I'm sure he means all the joyo kanji. You'd have to be a madman, or really REALLY into the japanese language to want to know every archaic, overly complicated kanji

>>387920159
No, baka.

>>387926974
I do.
There is a reason why Sinology each year starts with 45 students and by November about 15 remain, with everyone else unable to keep up the pace.
You are expected to be fluent in Chinese and read both traditional and simplified characters after first four semesters. By end of 6th, you are either in a loony bin or so fluent that as long as you don't show your face, someone might take you for a Chinese from specific part of the mainland (or Taiwan)

>>387920453
cotton didn't speak moon

>>387920260
>earn shitty credit in the UK
>life is pretty much fucked
>move to Japan
>credit is reset
>teach english because you can do that with literally any honours degree
>live comfy
yeah boi

>>387927031
Japanese in and of itself is obtuse. They should've gone the Korean way and ditched kanji.

>>387927303
I was talking about Chinese. The pace for... fuck, I don't even know what's the English name for Japanese studies.... either way, they are required to "only" learn 30 characters a day.

For the record - human brain after age of ten is barely able to learn 20 new words a day.

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>>387927543
>if it will take you so much time to learn any of the "blue" languages, you might be simply retarded.
>each year starts with 45 students and by November about 15 remain
I think you either didn't get your point across clearly or are calling a billion chinese people retarded for not memorizing their dictionary

>>387927748
Kids learning languages faster than adults is a meme. They don't even know how to study hard. Everyone just thinks children are better language learners because they absorb their first language without too much conscious effort.

>>387927985
Anon, I've learned fluent German and English as a kid without even trying. I had hard time learning fucking Spanish, out of all languages, when I was in my late 20s.

ANd that goes without mentioning all the fucking extensive study in this field. But hey, it's all memes, right?

>>387928143
you're just retarded

>>387927205
>Polefag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-fcrn1Edik
How much meme is this and how much reality of your names?

>>387927985
>Kids learning languages faster than adults is a meme.

shut up retard

>>387928143
Yeah and how long did it take you as a kid? Adults with good studying habits are much faster at learning literally anything they want.

>>387927974
The point is:
1) Chinese itself is easy
2) The spoken part is not hard, but highly depending on your native language
3) The characters themselves create a fucking brick wall and there is just no fucking way around them, but if you want to learn them, instead of whinning, then it's perfectly doable

Also, I had to learn them at pace of 40 per day and had such high drop-out rate.
Normally, people learn it at pace of 20-25 signs per day, so it's much less of a burden. And since you only need about 6k signs to be fluent, while I had to learn them fucking all due to the subject of my studies, so it makes it much easier for "casual" learning.

tl;dr - the university pace for learning Chinese is insane; the language itself can be mastered within about... 6 months. Another 3 if you happen to speak French or English, as this fuck-ups your pronounciation.

>>387925609
Read his post again. He said that its easier for someone with an language such as Spanish to learn than its for a english speaker, because anglos dont use conjugations.
Most latin derived languages have a fuckload of conjugations

>>387928221
It's both.

I mean the surname itself is a meme, but Grzegorz (Gregory) is perfectly normal name. And while the surname is invented for the sake of the scene, it does follow normal rules for surnames.
Meanwhile, his birthplace is entirely made up just to sound as hard as possible to foreigners, especially German native users.

Back in the uni times, we used to torture each new Chinese lector with daring them to say Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz. Or to say "W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie" (look that one on google).

Fun times

>>387926193
>The moment you get the characters down (as in - read them and understand) it's a piece of cake.
Not if you don't know the grammar

>>387928398
Except languages, you dumb shit.
By age of ten, your capacity to learn new grammar structures drops down.
By 20, it takes intentional effort to memorise new words.
By 30, good fucking luck with learning any language at all without substantial effort, time and energy invested into it.

>>387929230
My point is, kids don't (and most of them can't) put any effort into learning language. And adults who do put in effort are much faster learners than kids. If you're not a better student in your 20s than you were when you were 10, you're doing something very wrong.

>>387929230
At least it's time and energy spent learning something moderately productive rather than playing vidya 24/7

>>387928143
Yeah, but unconsciously as a kid you were practicing german and english about 12 hours a day for several years in a row.
If you spend that much time in another language as an adult, you either going crazy or becoming fluent much faster.

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>>387929495
Kids DON'T HAVE TO put effort in it, you stupid fuck.

And your "point" is not only retarded, but simply wrong.

>>387929640
They don't have to put they also learn languages very slowly. If a 10-year old starts learning a foreign language from zero it will take years before he's close to native level at reading it. For a dedicated adult this takes about 18 months.

>>387920159
Best thing i did for myself besides learning english by playing MMORPGs. Just learn anon, understand mastery will take a long time, but so do most languages.

>>387920159
>Is it worth learning X language, if you are going to use it regularly in a hobby or work?

Yes.

>>387929230
Belgian fag here, we start learning French at about 8-9 and English at about 12. Both go on forced in school until about 17-18 years old.
I learned more nip in 1 year than french in those 10 years of forced school shit with actual tests I had to study for. I had to put a shit ton of effort into french cause I sucked at it, it's a retarded language for retarded people. Yet here I am, doing 10 mins shitty anki reps every day along with a casual bimonthly grammar lesson read and I can already read yotsubato better than any fucking french text I was forced to read when I was 10 years into forced language learning.
Motivation is key, if you don't like a language you will suck at learning it no matter how old you are. If you like a language you will be good at learning it no matter how old you are.
Sure, skill takes off after years, it's scientifically proven, but it's far from as drastic as you're making it out to be.

>>387920159
If you have nothing better to do then it is literally the best thing that you could do.

>>387930043
Where do you read Yotsubato? I hardly find any clear scans.

>>387930367
Different anon, but the djt thread on /jp/ has scans I think. I read a lot at work, so I buy hard copies, personally. You can get like a dozen volumes of used, raw manga on Mandy for like 60 bucks.

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In the terms of landing jobs and for money, would learning Chinese be a good thing?

How about Arabic?

>>387930367
Download them, you're gonna have to search for the title in case you're as retarded as me.
There's probably good scans on goddess too (look in the raws section).

petty reason, but if you find the motivation despite it learning another language is never a true waste of time so long as you're actively utilizing it

I always hear about yotsubato being used tk read moonrunes. Is there any specific reason?

>>387930691
...the title in kana* in case...

>>387930674
If you're canadian and about to get owned in the future by chinks then what do you think?

>>387930674
desu arabic sounds too ugly for any self-respecting person to learn

>>387930674
If you are in commerce business, yes, chinese is good. However, dealing with chinks is a fucking nightmare.

>>387930764
Autists having autism loyalty because the character used to be he 4chan mascot.

>>387929640
>kids don't have to put effort in
>they take language coursework every day in school for a decade, are forced to speak in their native language to communicate with their friends and family daily, and regularly write in their native language to communicate otherwise

>>387930851
Not to mention you are forced to communicate with sandniggers everyday, I'd sooner kill myself.

>>387930674
Yeah Chinese is easy as fuck and valued.

>>387930764
easy, fun and has furigana

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>>387921241
If you're applying for a job with ties to Japan (e.g. their parent company is located there, or a large part of their clients live there), knowing Japanese will give you an edge over other applicants. If anything, having some degree of Japanese skill on your CV shows your interest and willingness to learn something different. Companies love that shit. If you're at least somewhat fluent, you can even consider getting a job in Japan, assuming you have at least a master's degree in something useful. You don't want to become an English teacher.

>>387930674
Dealing with chinks is the worst fucking thing in the world. My dad works in business and they're literal thieves and pieces of shit.

>>387930851
>>387930941
Arabs are great business people though, learning arabic can make you big bucks.

Learning chinese would be pointless because those bastards don't know actual business

>>387931128
Is it true that they'll do retarded 80/20 deals?

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>>387930674
Sometimes I feel America hates the Chinese yet learns their language. Guess they've resigned themselves to their fate of takeover.

>actually wanting to wageslave in japan, the land of terrible work practices
I even consider learning jap for games and some animu, but i would never go there to work. There is a reason why suicide rate is so high there. Asians dont value themselves and their workforce.

>>387931026
Assuming you can keep up with japs right? unless they know you're not like one of them.

>>387927648
do you really do this? I've always wondered how likely it is for someone (from burgerland) to be able to get hired to teach English there.

>>387920159
Given that 90% of the best hgames are untranslated, it would be a worthy investment.

No, just make video reviews of untranslated AKA garbage games such as visual novels and give them bad reviews to make nip lovers angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmiLGCPcH-0

>>387931707
I'm sure it's easy as hell, but it's like a bottom of the barrel job for any foreigner to take up, and I don't think pays any better than it does back here in burgerland

>>387931392
china is in a war with india right now

I've been learning Japanese for the past year in preparation for a trip to Japan I just recently returned from. My job has a fair amount of downtime, so I learned while at work at a relaxed pace of maybe 30 minutes a day with occasional grammar lessons of an hour or so. I honestly found it very fun learning such a different form of communication from English, especially the characters. Hiragana and katakana are very easy and enjoyable. Kanji suck, but they're approachable in small numbers. Go for it if you have nothing better to do, it's good for your brain even if you don't use it.

>>387930764
It's simple and uses lots of everyday vocab unlike a battle shonen or sci-fi manga would do.

Alright weebpill me on this

How long does it take to learn H-nipponese? Basically just all the kana and kanji used in most H-related media? That's probably the only lingo I really care about

>>387933135
Where do you get those lessons?

>>387933565
I think you can learn 90% of the works and kanji used in hentais in a single day. I mean, "dick" , "pussy", "anal", "cum", "tentacles", "eggs", "mom, I will take your virginity", "aaaaaaaa", etc.
Unless you are trying to read one of those story heavy doujins, but i assume they are rare

>>387933565
Asspussy, mouthpussy, armpitpussy, I'M CUMMING AAAAHN~ is all you really need to know

>>387934239
>>387934471
lol

>>387927205
>Chinese lacking tense and mood

Straight up wrong. Grammatical gender is a rare phenomenon in the world's languages, so that itself is a given.

>>387920374
>violin
darn fuckin tootin boy

when i was a kid i would always ask for my mom to translate those text boxes from Super Mario World because she was taking english classes, however she did not practiced much and her english got rusted as fuck, me on the other hand had to learn english by myself pretty much, because the english classes i took at school where basic as fuck and if i wanted to play vidya i HAD to learn english or hope for translation patches of my native language.

Lucky me my dedication paid off greatly, however there is now the matter of learning japanese wich i simply dont have the incentive to do so despite liking VNs and other japanese stuff, i remember playing Super Black Bass 3 on the SNES emulator having to figure it out every option because it was never translated.

>>387921130
>extremely easy
their grammar system is unintuitive at best, don't talk out of your ass just because the pronunciation is easy for you

t. bilingual spanish speaker

>>387936683
Who cares if the grammar system is unintuitive in the beginning when it has very little rules or exceptions? English grammar is a trainwreck in comparison.

>>387920159
I'm afraid you'll need a better reason to learn japanese or you'll drop it half way through.

>>387937142
Is there a better reason?

>>387937198
Going there on your own to have a first hand experience on the japanese culture, for example.

>>387921130
yes I'm from Mexico and it's super easy to speak for me. 日本語簡単だな。

>>387937381
don't have any family in japan, so I would never go there in the first place

>>387936864
>doesn't understand why adapting to a new grammatical system, especially one which changes so wildly conversationally and which can be very context-dependent, might be difficult for an english-speaker
さすが、spicくん

>learning nip just to masturbate
Literally anything is better. Go lift in that time or something christ

>>387937142
you need to have real passion and love for the language, playing video games in japanese will be the last thing you do.

>>387937489
Why not? go visit some places, if you are proficient with japanese you wont be stuck to your run of the mill schedules for tourists, go to where you please.

If you want a good excuse why not go to Japan during the olympics?

>>387937698
meant for
>>387937198

>>387937690
>Go lift in that time or something christ
Why? If you're already healthy, why not learn Japanese to play video games, your hobby?

>>387920159
I don't see why not. I'm doing it so I can play untranslated games and such but I've also always wanted to learn a second language and Japanese is most relevant to me. I've also yet to meet someone (off the internet that is) who actually speaks or reads Japanese fluently.

There would also be the potential for me to do something in my career with it, technology sector is huge in Japan.

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>his mother tongue is English
I feel so sorry for you.

>>387937698
i've learned english just to play vidya so i wouldnt have to stop playing at every dialogue box to grab my English to Portuguese translation book or copy paste it on google translate. There are lots of great games that where never translated, so there is that.

>>387937484
Why are there so many Mexican weebs?

>>387930674
Please learn arabic if you're white. You will get more money working a job in the UAE than if you do the SAME job in the US or UK. And there are tons of benefits. Free housing, car, a neighbourhood filled with expats like (You). It's free real estate.

>>387937907
>he thinks gaming is my hobby
Loool.

>>387938045
because of dragaonball

>>387938151
Standard Arabic was probably the hardest fucking language I've ever learned. Forget Finnish, East Asian, and Slav languages, Arabic is on a whole other scale of bullshit.

>>387920159
This, >>387920260, do it if it gives you an applicable skill to something else. Otherwise you'd be better off spending that time learning how to tie a noose, you degenerate weeaboo NEET.

Sad. Bad, sad.

It's a language filled with dipthongs and lots of inflexions. Mandarin is a little more forgiving but it's like asking if it is worth learning accounting to be an effective budgeter.

>>387938359
I was forced to learn Arabic as a kid along with Engish, at the same goddamn time.

>>387937690
I do both though. Been lifting for three years and just started learning Jap

>>387929640
show me a two-year old that can speak German as well as a college student in their 2nd year of German
I'll wait

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>日本語を勉強した
>東京に住んでいる
>日本ゲームに対する興味を失う

私の夏が終わる…

>>387920159
To learn a language from a leading economy is at least not a waste of time.

>>387938045
I wrote that, I'm not a weeb, I don't even play video games anymore, just browse.

How many letters are in katakana and hiragana each?

>>387930674
yeah but then you have to deal with mainland chinese
trust me, you don't want to do that

>>387930674
What languages would be good, if any, depends entirely on what industry you're in.

>>387920819
>>387920953

what game is this?

>>387928797
>english doesn't conjugate
you fucking what, mate?

>>387938881
I think katakana has 46 along with hiragana but you can add punctuation to change the letters. Like こ and ご.

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>>387920159
>Start learning rote
>NO THAT'S STUPID LEARN WITH RADICALS
>Start learning with radicals
>NO THAT'S STUPID JUST READ MANGA WITH A DICTIONARY AND MEMORISE EVERYTHING AS YOU GO
>Start doing that
>NO THAT'S STUPID LEARN GRAMMAR FIRST
>Start doing that
>NO THAT'S STUPID DON'T LEARN GRAMMAR UNTIL YOU'VE MEMORISED ALL THE JLPT KANJI

>>387939226
English.

>>387939553
So now that you've tried everything you know what works for you. And that it's probably step 3.

>>387939326
It does but it doesn't have nearly as many conjugations.

>>387939553
2k/6k Anki deck for vocab, Tae Kim guide for grammar, pick up simple manga on the side.

At least that's what /djt/ advises, and so far it's working for me.

>>387939553
kanji is a fucking meme

日本 bam thats the only shit you need (not really)

>>387920953

what the fuck is this and why are you using タコボール?

>>387939774
Anki is a shit program though, Memrise would be a lot better if they weren't actively gimping features for the sake of their leaderboards bullshit.

>>387925609

> spanish
> easy

this is bait

>>387939728
i agree but don't misrepresent the language

>>387939553
>genki 1/2
>minna no nihongo/yasashii sakubun on the side
>takoboto on your cellphone.
>tae kim's guide on your cellphone.
>watch doramas, anime, manga constantly
>change keyboard to japanese, browse google jp.
profit.

>learning a language when you could learn linguistic theory instead
Haha

>>387939951
also look for random japanese videoblogs on youtube. just type wathever in japanese.

>>387939904
Spanish is extraoridnarily difficult to speak formally. Most dialects I hear are malformed.

>>387929230
>By 30, good fucking luck with learning any language at all without substantial effort, time and energy invested into it.

Mix massive exposure to the language with modern techniques like SRS to more rapidly gain a foothold in the language.

Have an athletic build (i.e., don't be a fat fuck) to reduce cognition-ruining oxidative stress and systemic inflammation, lift weights ( https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141001102028.htm ), have periods of physical activity while engaging with the language ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4114134/ ), manage sleep properly, etc.

All of these things will reduce the effort, time, and energy that you must dedicate to learning.

As a motivated adult with these tools, you will learn your target language far more quickly than an American high school student picks up Spanish (or a Finnish high school student picks up Swedish).

>>387939967
>learning linguistic theory when you could be doing analytical philosophy and math instead
fugcking lmfoa kid

>>387920159
No. But considering you even need to ask you don't seem to be good at making great life decisions.

Can anyone tell me how difficult would it be for a non native English speaker, to find a job as an English teacher in Japan? I have a slight accent and I'm planning on making it perfect

You could learn spanish in half the time and get a raise at work.

You do have a career, don't you anon?

>>387941187
I don't know but you should probably say your country of origin too

>>387941187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK0J9tptMwI&t=94s
read the comments son.

>>387939553
>jlpt

Don't fall for this meme. As someone who lives the Japanese Kaishain dream nightmare: Most japanese companies don't give a fuck about this test. If you can understand the language and express yourself well enough you are set. Of way more importance is knowing all about the business culture. If you have no idea how to handle a 名刺 scenario featuring your boss, an intern and 2 people of another company you are fucked.

And I am not even meming this up, corporate culture is so insanely important here, it boggles the mind.

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>>387938856
>tfw willingly chose to learn spanish in high school instead of chinese or japanese

>>387939858
>Anki is a shit program
Why? It's a pretty useful way to go over and get vocab stuck into your brain especially at the beginning when you're not at a level where you can read a lot of material without burning out.

>>387938856
Depends if you get any use out of it or not

>>387941302
Greek
>>387941472
I've seen similar videos and it just seems to me that these people don't realize that Japan isn't how they think it is or that it's gonna be easy as hell

As someone who started studying japanese these are some easy steps:
1 study hiragana, get familiarized with Katakana
2 start with the level 1 kanji, get familiarized with radicals
3 some kanji are easier to remember. Write stories with the harder kanji with the radicals
4 use an app called obenkyou

Prepare to study 1000 hours before going anywhere

>>387941606
kill yourself

>>387939904
What? I can speak fluent Spanish and all I did was learn in in secondary school. It's hilariously easy if you aren't an English mother tongue laddy. Even the vocab wasn't difficult.

>>387942327
>1000 hours
So less than half the time I spent on TF2 then

>>387941606
Your high school taught Japanese?

>>387942489
Or what I spent in PSO back in the day

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>>387941606
>They only offered Spanish

>>387941472
Connections, connections, connections. That is what counts in Japan just as much as any other country. I suck at Japanese, have to look up a lot of kanji and still I work a better job than most Gaijin I know of here.

I started in one of these retarded eKaiwai schools. Terrible job, wouldn't recommend. Luckily I befriended a few cool people. One of their grandpas was a member of the local jichikai (neighbourhood watch of kinds). They introduced me and I joined because I figured it might be fun to get drunk with old Japanese every now and then. And it is. But more importantly, they really start to like me a lot and some wonderous things happened. For one, the fucking NHK man stopped bugging me all of sudden. Second, I got a job offer from the local middle school to work there.

This is what you want. Get into the real school system. The pay is way better, you get a lot more respect and you don't get exploited that badly. It is a lot more fun as well because you have a lot more say how to structure your classes. Also I got hooked up with the sports teacher by my collegues.

As it turned out, one of the jichikai member was the former principal of the school and pulled a few strings for me. Getting drunk and ranting about "those fucking chinese" brings you far it seems.

>>387926193
>40 characters a day is the expected pace of learning both Chink and Nip from university student. That means you will know ALL characters within a year.
You are so fucking wrong.

>>387942963
So how much was the pay compared to the other jobs you had?

>>387941472
Seems like her biggest problem is being in Tokyo, the school I study at hires English teachers and doesn't really care about your nationality. They do require a certificate for English teaching with in-site experience, such as CELTA.

>>387942963

> a job offer from the local middle school

living the dream

Lads, I know this isn't the thread but I've always wondered: how are Japanese hospitals? Are they overworked/understaffed shitholes like the rest of the world or are they actually nice places to work at?

There's not much exposure in anime and manga about Emergency Rooms and the like.

>>387941949
Because all it does is show you one side of a card and you press a button to have it show you the other side, and then you pick how long until it tests you again. Memrise gives you the "question" and then has you actually answer what it is (eg the meaning or reading of a kanji), and then automatically decides when to ask you again based on how accurate your answers have been, which is great. Memrise's biggest problem is that because of the leaderboard focus it wants you to download courses from people and doesn't let you correct anything if there's an issue in them, and if it fixed that it would be far better.

>>387943209
I barely broke 3 Million a year in the eKaiwa gig. Now I am earning 7 Mil per year. Pretty comfy salary for me. Also, first thing they did was get me a proper 5 year visa.

>>387943251
Yes, very much so. Literally anime tier life right now.

>>387943217
Where do you teach? I know I'm asking too much but I would love to be in a big city like Osaka or Tokyo I guess

>>387941606
dodged a real bullet there
learn chinese, get sent to china, it's the rule

>>387941187
Why does everyone wanna be an English teacher in Japan? Knowing English literally guarantees you any job there.

Being the stereotypical expat teaching English is the worst thing you can do

>>387942963
>tfw i left japan never paying my NHK or Health insurance

As long as no nips come nocking thats a cool 200 quid saved

>>387943578
Damn so you get paid like more than 300k yen a month?(bored to do the math) your life sounds awesome as fuck

>>387943426

I've been thinking of getting into the medical field and have been wondering that myself. I've also been wondering if a blonde haired gaijin like myself could work over there or not.

>>387942963
What's the hour, work and pay difference between direct hire to the school and using an ALT company? I'm guessing more work, longer hours, less oversight and better pay. That right?

>>387943771
They are beta virgin retards. They have no education or skills, so it's the only thing they can do.

>Nothing better to do

Get a fucking job you useless piece of shit. You dad and I aren't going to be around forever to support you. What are you going to do when we're gone? How are you going to pay the bills?

>>387944006
Most likely the case t b h. All these gaijin "daily Japanese" video bloggers are more often than not, English teachers always complaining about how shitty it is to live in Japan. They could've chosen any line of work to go into, and they decided to be a "teacher" at the bottom of the barrel. Probably my biggest gripe about weebs.

>>387943947
Why would you want to? Hospitals have enough shit going on at once to have to worry about a language barrier on top of all that.

>>387943887
I do and it is. That is why I urge people to mingle with the locals. Get some male friends, because japanese dudes will always have your back once you befriend them.

>>387943970
You are a lot more integrated in the school. Yes it is more work like planning classes for a whole schoolyear ahead or attending the occasional weekend teacher kaigi to learn new teaching methods. Some of the extra work is pretty fun though, like organizing after school clubs. I am currently in charge of the Photography and Tabletop club. You are also expected to always be reachable by phone for your students in case they have trouble. Also, you have to be really strict when grading kids, and seeing one of your student breaking in tears because they got a bad grade is a shitty feeling all around.

Oh and while it isn't bad at my school, bullying is a problem. Luckily I am a filthy Gaijin and have no quarrels calling shit like that out.

Pay is basically more than double, along with a healthy dose of respect from the people around you.

>>387944598
And most those people don't even have the good English teaching jobs. They are the eikaiwa cucks that teach business men until 10pm and on Saturdays and not even at an actual school just some office space rented out. Like imagine already being in the low rung of English teacher and then being in the worst part of that job scene.

>>387944810
>the Photography and Tabletop club.
The fuck kind of fancy pansy middle school you working at? The school for rich Ginza bitches?

>>387942963
What kind of certificates, licenses etc did you have to get?

>>387944810
I have a few more questions if you don't mind and I'll be cool. So where do you teach in Japan and how xenophobic are Japanese people truly?

>>387944943
Basically. These are the kind of jobs that locals laugh at you for. What they would call "part-timers" or "summer jobs". It's hilarious how many of these people think they can make a decent living and enjoyable experience by working at a part-time tier job.

>>387944006
>>387944598
English teachers are equivakent of Mexicans in the US. No respects you and people already have preconceptions on the failure you must be to accept such a job.

>>387943646
I'm not teaching. But I live in Yamanashi.

>>387920819
instant translate is very inconsistent, use the picture translate instead.

>>387920159
Yes it is.

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>>387920159
>Not wanting to learn Japanese for the premier Chuuni experience
I think it's worthwhile if you consume their media and culture a lot, like myself. Plus having goals centered on whatever untranslated shit you want to play/ experience helps keeps you motivated. I'm still in the beginning stage but there's a lot of shit I'm looking forward to experiencing.

>>387941472
>complains about hard work life
>complains that easy job provides no challenge
huh?

When you tell people you're learning Japanese how do they react? Do they know what that implies or do they treat it like any other language?

>money is the only measure of something's worth
Humanity is rotten to the core.

>>387946440

It's the closest thing to a point score in real life

>>387946429
>"oh"
>"oh that's cool"
>"ok"
These are more or less the reactions I got.

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when i was getting interviewed for jobs I put self-taught japanese on my resume and I got asked about it in a positive way everytime so i think it helps a bit at least. Lately I downloaded the entire PS1 NTSC-J set and there is a lot of really neat games and VNs on there that I'm interested in trying out at some point i'd reccomend it. I heard the PS2 has a lot of obscure Japanese games too but its hard to find any downloads now a days wish underground gamer was still around.

>>387946429
My family doesn't mind and supports it (I'm majoring in it and planning to teach it). My friends are disgusted.

>>387920159

question about japanese: i can't tell if a symbol is a "word" or just a letter. like sometimes, one character will mean something like "tree" or "history" and other times it will just be a sound like "rah". is there an easy way to tell if a character represents a concept, or is simply a sound/letter?

>>387946608
If you want to live your life chasing pieces of metal and paper it's your choice, but don't act like you've found the true meaning of life when you're confronted with other points of view.

>>387946909
You mean the difference between kana and kanji?
Use /djt/'s guide, that's the first thing you should have learned.

>>387946909
themoreyouknowthemoreobviousitwillbefromthecontext

>>387945847
At least Mexicans have self awareness, knowing that they're not wanted. English teaching weebs are completely unaware most of the time that everyone outside of their students think they're a joke.

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>>387920159
No. The only reason to do it would be to try to bang the handful of attractive women they have. btw kys.

>>387947170
All you need to do is put your pants down and say dozo.

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>>387947373
I know they're all easily manipulated. I've learned so much from hentai.

>>387947373
Dozo is not the correct way to say that word.

>>387946728
Studying a language always sounds good at interviews. It's like an approved hobby or something.

>>387947662
We've all seen Clannad we all know how to say it

How do you pronounce 麻媽罵馬 ?

>>387948582
It says let's learn Chinese instead

>>387946762
Why are they disgusted? Because of stigma thanks to anime and weeaboos?

>>387927648
>>387931707
>>387931993

I wonder out of the three which kids are the most shitty Amercian, UK or Japanese kids.

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>>387948929
This

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>>387949339
>Beast from 20,000 Fathoms

Delete kudasai.