Is the "Immersive Sim" actually back with games like

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It's not, Prey flopped.

meme.

Nobody wants hard videogames. Just give me a quest marker and flashy graphics.

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>>387915507
DXMD too, what a shame.
It was a good game.

>>387915429
It's gone back into hibernation for another 10 years. Please buy PUBG.

>>387915507
System Shock 2 sold 60,000 copies and yet was a massive inspiration for decades to follow. Similarly with Deus Ex, except that had more monetary success

>>387915631
It had this awful, stupid, amazingly terrible narrative that destroys any good that game had in it

>>387915429
>immersive sim

What in the actual fuck is that even supposed to mean?

>>387915758
>Immersive sims are primarily concerned with making players feel as though they are truly experiencing a believable world by creating mechanics that feel appropriate and logical within the game world and try to avoid feeling arbitrarily 'Gamey'.

>This school of game design was established by Looking Glass Studios with Thief, Underworld, and System Shock. The concept of immersive sims is still alive today in games such as BioShock, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and Dishonored.

It should be noted that not all of these characteristics are necessarily required for games to fall into this category
>Immersion in an elaborate and believable game world.
>Simulation: physics and AI are used to create believable behavior in objects and characters which the player can freely interact with, resulting in 'emergent gameplay'.
>First-person perspective so as to truly look through the eyes of the protagonist.
>Game design that allows for multiple paths and/or multiple solutions in every situation.
>A systemic game world that keeps track of the player's actions, which can affect the "whole" game.
>open-ended/non-linear game design with an emphasis on choice and consequence.
>Full control over the player's character in every situation.
>A world with consistent rules that the player can interact with.
>Narrative that is not always forced on the player, but instead can be told through exploration and gameplay at that players will.
>No fail states, beyond player death.

>>387915916
So literally every game is an 'immersive sim'?

What a pointless arbitrary term.

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I choose to ignore half the posts to generate (You)s

>>387915758
Arbitrary subgenre for games like Deus Ex, System Shock and Thief. Next time use google, you underage fuck.

>>387916264
Welcome to semantics. Want to play a soulslike metroidvania while you're here?

>>387915429
All those latest "immersive sims" are just parroting earlier games. DX2, Dishonored 2 and Prey brought nothing new to the genre. It's dead, bury it.

>>387915758
Basically pretentious Metroidvania.

>>387915670
Sorry bud, no publisher will go with your grand plan for a game if you haven't hit them sales and metacritic milestones.

>>387915670
Stop lumping DX with those stealth games. DX is an RPG. You talk a lot, you do quests, you make moral choices. It's not flipping Thief.

>>387915631
I'm still so sad this game ended up the way it did. Human Revolution was really good, it had its fair share of problems but it was a shining fucking beacon in the dark shitfest that is modern AAA gaming. And then this games gives us a shit story, shit characters, even fewer hubs, and all the cool mysteries are just thrown in as sequel-bait. What a shame.

>>387916083

Everytime I play a game that's like this it becomes one of my favorites.

Immersive Sims are the goat genre.

>>387916819
Soulslike is actually a very well defined genre that shares everything down to controls. Name ONE just ONE hack and slash game where you hack and slash using trigger buttons that isn't a soulslike.

>>387917216

With Square Enix as the publisher, it was always doomed.

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>>387915429
>tfw when none of these modern immersive sims compare to Looking Glass classics
>tfw western game design died with Looking Glass Studios

>>387916826
>DX2
?

>>387917216
MD's hubs were actually much better than HR's hubs. HR's level were short and linear as hell, MD's city felt open and changed over time. It's good.

>>387917315
Dynasty Warriors

>>387915429
Why am I seeing a bunch of Trump photoshopped into Deus Ex everywhere? Where is that pic from?

>>387917487
I obviously mean Sonic Adventure DX: 2nd print.

>>387917524
you're a fucking retard

>>387917315
Metal Gear Rising Revengence

>>387917524
Really? Jesus, I haven't played that trash in a while. Still, you get the point. It's not normal.

>>387917601
There is no recent game with anything even similar to DX2 as far as I'm aware

>>387917539
Because a picture of him looking at the eclipse in eclipse glasses looks like JC looking towards the sun.

>>387917631
Just admit you're wrong, there no shame in that

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>>387917693
Fake news

>>387917315
it not a genre ffs it's a "Formula" just like immersive sims, just like the bethesda open world formula.

>>387917315
Devil May Cry

>>387917749
I obviously meant the new desu sex game. Can't be bothered to remember what it's called or what the actual number for it is, I assumed people reading the post will connect the dots

>>387915742
There was nothing amazingly terrible about Mankind Divided's plot, the problem was that it was too short.

>>387915429
>Is the "Immersive Sim" actually back with games like Prey, or is it still just a meme

Not anymore.

Deus Ex is on hiatus.
Prey probably didn't sell that well.
Dishonored is ending story wise and 2 probably didn't sell that well either.

>>387917315
Ninja Gaiden

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>>387917902
Fake news.

>>387917931
No-one will, mostly because the latest one is the fourth one in the series.

>>387917315
God of War

>>387917931
Mankind Divided is not Deus Ex 2 and no one ever called it that.

Not even Invisible War is called Deus Ex 2. Check yourself.

Arkane is the last studio that does those types of games, and its founder got the boot couple of months ago, probably due Prey poor sales

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>>387917997
Fake news

>>387917945
>the problem was that it was too short.

The pacing was fucked, the game wasn't short.

Mankind Divided is basically as if you took the original Deus Ex and made it end right before you came to Hong Kong, only that you stretched the game out to last as long.

It also doesn't help that DE:MD pretty much only had 1 hub (golem city was pretty tiny and mostly just a normal level with civvies in it).

>>387918198>>387918153
Yes yes, I'm drunk and I don't care, go away

>>387917707
No, not really. In every musou game I played you use the face buttons for attacks. You may get special attacks from shoulder buttons but your bread and butter normal and charge attacks are not there, unless you remap the default controls.

Either way I don't agree with "Soulslike" having something to do with the control scheme.

>>387917315
Way of the samurai

>>387915429
it's a meme but it's a meme I enjoy

i don't think having choices in how you approach things should warrant it's own subgenre

>>387918202
>Arkane is the last studio that does those types of games, and its founder got the boot couple of months ago, probably due Prey poor sales

They have 2. The studio was split in two. One's american and the other is french.

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>>387918169
Fake news. Have I made my point yet?

>>387917315
Onimusha

>>387918419
What point did you make? You're just posting controller maps

>>387917315
Dead Rising

>>387918518
Yes, my original post was about controls. About using trigger and bumper buttons for attacks which is only common in soulslikes. Which I what I demonstrated to you several times now.

>>387917315
Bayonetta

>>387918446>>387918338
Wrong

>>387918604
Great hack and slash game you've got there.

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>>387918202
>and its founder got the boot couple of months ago

fuuuudge. that dude directed arx fatalis, dark messiah, dishonored 1 and prey

>>387918716
>games using buttons to control
Woooahhh

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>>387915429
I prefer this edit of it cause of the lighting and watermarks

>>387918732
>>387918446
>>387918338
>>387918169
>>387917997
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>>387917524
Are you retarded or just drunk? What's going on here? None of those games use shoulder buttons for attacks.

>>387918716
None of those games he posted is "soulslike"

>>387918957
Yes and they don't use the soulslike control scheme. Which proves my point. Thanks I guess.

>>387917505
Prague, for lack of a better phrase, had the depth of a puddle.
Also the ending was non-existent, I can't even remember a single boss battle through the game, while HR had 3 to 4

>>387917315
You need to play more games

>>387919052
Name ONE, I'm still waiting.

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Can most immersive sims really be considered RPGs, or are they just games with RPG elements?

Look at HR, the only character building elements are weapon upgrading and skill trees that will be 80%-90% full by endgame, ruining the idea of "builds". Is this really an RPG?

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>>387917539

It's dead. Prey, DEMD, Dishonored 2, all had poor sales.

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>>387919024
Can't tell if bait or just being retarded

>>387919186
All did nothing new with the genre. 3 retarded attempts to cash in on the genre that isn't even popular.

>>387919214
Neither do I to be honest. You use the shoulder buttons to strike in Souls, you understand that right? In most hack and slash games you use face buttons to strike, correct? What the fuck is this, why do I need to explain this? Doesn't everyone who ever played a hack and slash game knows this?

>>387919164
Read the fucking replies retard

>>387919024
>>387918716
>>387917315
Soulslike doesn't exist. We're in the era of Souls clones, and nobody wants the fate of Roguelikes, so expect the definition of "Soulslike" to become 2 or 3 very general points like how "Doomclone" became "First Person Shooter"

>>387919434
Which one? God of War? That game doesn't use shoulder buttons for attacks. Are you retarded?

>>387919406
No one is even arguing with your point, what are you on about?

>>387919618
>No one is even arguing with your point
What are those people doing then?
>>387918732
>>387918446
>>387918338
>>387918169
>>387917997
>>387917693
>>387917524

>>387918328
D-dad?

>>387919712
Try to explain yourself then, instead of just posting pictures and saying nothing.

>>387918716
Autism, the post

>>387919165
I liked that about Prey. You'd have to grind like mad to get your skill trees above 50%, so you actually need to plan your build.

>Prey flopped
>DXMD flopped
>Dishonored 2 flopped
yes they're totally back dude hehe

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>That autist who keeps going on with his shoulder buttons shit

>>387920136
>those retards that keep suggesting games that don't fit the category

i'm not on this guy's crusade but he's just being fed

>>387919712
They're posting examples of hack and slash games that are not Souls-like to prove that retard who said "all hack and slash games are soulslike" wrong. What are you go about here?

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>>387915429
>>387918925
reminder that spector is a cucklord who can't stop talking shit about trump

>>387920308
am I in topsy turvy world? that guy's post said the exact opposite

>>387920390
Reminder that talking shit about your meme president is the only sane thing to do.

>>387915507
It actually did? Damn, it's a pretty good game.

>>387920390
>oh shit warren spector is on twitter, gotta follow the man
>timeline filled with MUH TRUMP MUH NAZIS
christ

>>387920503
don't worry /b/ro, i'm with HER

>>387920503

Basically this.

/pol/tards fuck off.

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>>387920390
>>387920575
>this washed up faggot who made his last good game 17 years ago is in charge of System Shock 3

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>>387920648
I don't think I talked shit about obama during his entire 8 year presidency. Pic related is you

>>387920503
Reminder that talking shit about Muslim continents like Europe is the only sane thing to do.

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@387920390
@387920503
@387920628
@387920648

I think "immersive sims" died because the gameplay just isn't exciting. You just know every level has some way for your build to bypass it, making it feel pointless to level stuff up because at the end of the day every single build could've done it, just in a slightly different way. That and how absolutely trivial they are for anyone with the slighest exploratory drive.

>>387920852

Immersive sims where never about the challenge. But the experience.

>>387917419
Arkane's first game Arx Fatalis deserves a spot with the LGS titles and Deus Ex. But yeah, after that, nothing compares.

>>387915429
Prey, DXMD and Dishonored 2 were all good games so technically yes they are back.
We will need to wait for their delayed success when people will see what they missed for stupid reasons or lack of good marketing for some on them.

>>387917315
Risk of Rain. And yea it's a platformer but who cares. You can hack and slash, and the main skill/attack buttons are on the triggers for default

>>387920852
>You just know every level has some way for your build to bypass it, making it feel pointless to level stuff up because
More like making you explore to find a way around it. You're arguing in favor of linearity and you can fuck straight off.

>>387921031
Excess supplies in any game with character building ruins the experience imo. I'm playing Prey and they clearly want you to build your character a certain way but I can just upgrade every single thing because it just keeps throwing shit at you and nothing warrants using the heavy stuff on because it's easy to cheese. Same thing with the modern Deus Exes, I had almost everything maxed halfway through.

It also kills any creativity since whenever things finally get difficult you can just vomit dozens of stacked up shit at the trouble until it dies and be ready for the next one.

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Reminder.

>>387921031
Challenge is part of the experience, no one expects surviving in a zombie/cyborg-infested spaceship/station to be easy, no one expects surviving in a hostile multi-level dungeon to be easy, no one expects going against the illuminati to be easy. so i agree with >>387920852
a lot of immersive sims are a little on the easy/forgiving side (i still love them tho).

suspicious
big
vents
everywhere

Reminder that the GMDX mod exists to make DX great again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQP-pWgWTw

>>387921360
>Bioshock
>good tier
how? you can barely call it an immersive sim because it's so linear.

>>387921158
I'm arguing in favor of more restrictive character builds. Want to play as an actual hacker? Then forget about reaching high places or sneaking through vents. Want to play as a nimble dickass thief? Then forget about being able to choose a fuckton of weapons and upgrade them. Want to be a juggernaut? Then forget about getting the phat loot found through unconventional means.

>>387921360
>System Shock 2 above 1
>Thief 2 above 1
>Ultima Underworld not in the Ludo-tier

>>387921360
Bioshock is dumpster tier. Fucking awful meme game.

I'd also put HR in good tier along with MD, because even if it is a better game, it doesn't quite compare as an Immersive Sim. Dishonored 2 goes down a peg too.

>>387921696
>Thief 2 above 1
Reminder that the following levels are exclusive to Thief 1.
-Down in the Bonehoard
-Thieve's Guild
-Haunted Cathedral x2
-Lost City
-Escape!
-Into the Maw of Chaos

>>387920559
I've been wanting to play it but I'm not sure if it'sll run on my toaster, and I don't want to have to pay double for a console version

prey sucks lmao

>>387921975
My PC is kinda outdated and the game runs great, it better be because it doesn't look impressive in the slightest. Give it a shot.

>>387921597
>I'm arguing in favor of more restrictive character builds.
I dislike the idea of forcing even more RPG mechanics into immersive sims, they have to strike a balance between rolling characters and allowing you enough freedom to pick the path you want.

>>387920648
Fuck off, /pol/.

>>387921492
they don't have to be open worlds, though most try to be

>>387921487
>Needing mods to enjoy a classic
>Implying vanilla Deus Ex isn't already great
Kill yourself.

>>387921360
>putting the first Dishonored on good
the fuck

>>387922428
how do you even get so mad at some anon recommending a decent mod

>>387921745
plebs can never enjoy Bioshock

>>387920559
Blame Bethesda for slapping the Prey brand on it for no reason and then not marketing it at all

I want to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution for the first time. I have both the Director's Cut and the original with the DLC separate. What are the changes outside the DLC being placed into the game? Which should I play? I've heard negative opinions on the director's cut here and there.

>>387922690
The director's cut removes the terrible gold filter.

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>>387922690
play the original deus ex

exercise some fucking patience, stick with it, and then see how patience be rewarded when you realise you're playing one of the best games ever made

>>387922813
is it worth having the dlc placed into the main campaign?

>>387922814
but I already have

>>387922813
Didn't it also fix the """""""""boss""""""" fights?

>>387923014
It added ways to take down bosses if you didn't invest much into weapon stats, such as hacking turrets and shit.

>>387921360

Bioshock 2 needs to be on this list, and to be higher than Bioshock 1.

Also if you are going for immersive sim and not stealth game, put Thief 1 higher than 2. Also Deadly Shadows should be on there, it's great with Sneaky upgrade mod.

Invisible War should also be there weather you like it or not. It is a very immersive game.

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>>387922428
Vanilla Deus Ex was great, but flawed. And the main point is, the modern DX games haven't measured up. Hence make the series great again, with an incredible mod for the original.

Dumb fuck. The rest of you, enjoying throwing couches at people.

>>387923231
Hey look, it's my past two hours playing Prey summarized in one gif. How little we've progressed.

>>387921942

Done in the Bonehoard is the best level int he entire series.

Lost City is fucking fantastic and both Haunted Cathedral levels are goat tier but especially the first one. Escape isn't bad and Maw of Chaos, while linear is still pretty neat.

>>387923225
There's not a tier in the world that can cover the absolute mediocrity of Invisible War.
>Universal ammo
>Not committing to one end in Deus Ex and instead combine all three in a nonsensical way
What were they thinking?

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>>387923326
well

we've made some progress

>>387923583
If someone came to me and forced me to say what's the most revolutionary thing Prey ever did I'd unironically answer that fucking Boltcaster, even though it's still underused. The outside of the station was also really cool too.

>>387921597

Yeah I am really not to sure about that. Part of the reason I like Immersive sims is freedom to choose. Sometimes I want to platform around and jump up to high areas. Sometimes I want to simply hack, sometimes I want to sneak through vents, sometimes I want to go in guns blazing.

I mean I would not be against one Immersive Sim going for a heavier RPG approach. But it's a bit of a cocktease seeing a high ledge and knowing you can't get up there because you chose hacking 8 hours earlier at the beginning of the game when there was a locked door blocking something you thought was cool.

>>387920226
>copy paste dark souls
>move attack from trigger to x
>You're no longer a souls clone

Your definition is shit and you should feel ashamed

>>387923478

>Oh fuck a group of bad guys
>well I will just use my rocket launcher to take them out with one well placed shot
>holy fuck where did all my ammo go now I have like 4 bullets left for pistol
>fuck I better be able to negotiate or sneak my way around this next section now, and hopefully find ammo soon

Universal Ammo was not as bad as people say it was.