Find a flaw to this guy, and no eradicating technology hoarding

>>387863234
That's a pretty cool story, anon, but there was another anon on a few nights ago talking about the benefits of masturbating using only your hips, instead of using your hands.

He implied using this approach was more satisfying, and you could get yourself off almost anywhere at anytime with minimal effort.

It reminded me a lot of the meme about guys brushing up against the water jets in hot tubs to stimulate their dicks. I don't know anyone with a hot tub though, so I can't go and try it. What are your thoughts about this, kino kino?

>>387863234

Trust is key, and Mr. House provides none of it. The only promise he makes is the continued existence of Las Vegas, ruled as he sees fit. The Courier is nothing but a tool, and so is everyone else in the city. The NCR at least provides a slim chance at democracy and the ability for the people to decide their own destiny.

>>387863573
Mr House provided more than enough Trust letting you into the Lucky 38 and meeting with him in person, the trust continues to build up as you become his lieutenant completing more of his tasks. His plan once establishing an independant and free Vegas with a growing economy in 20 years to restore technology advancement, 50 years have people in orbit, and in a 100 years colony vessels will be going through Space to establish a new frontier free from the past mistakes of human folly. The NCR proclaims itself as the revitalized American government yet is an oligarchy catering to the elite caravan barons and rancher monopolies. Priorities are set in some foolish Manifest Destiny of overexpansion instead of fixing California completely, the North Sacramento has an entire tribe of Raiders operating with almost no NCR actively.

>>387863234
I can't. I take full advantage of NV's roleplaying capability so I often side with the other factions if I'm running as a character specifically geared for said faction, but whenever I just play the game with no specific direction I always end up siding with House. He just makes too much sense.

>>387863573
>The only promise he makes is the continued existence of Las Vegas, ruled as he sees fit

>"I want to continue ruling Vegas as an autocrat"
>This is a promise of how he intends to act in the future
>"I want to put people into space in 100 years"
>This isn't a promise of how he intends to act in the future Because Reasons

>>387863234
he's an asshole

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>>387863573
>implying that in a world as absolutely chaotic as postwar america people need freedom more than order

Nigger they have the freedom to do _whatever_ the fuck they want, and you know what they spent it doing? Fucking raiding, raping, pillaging and generally being prehistoric cunts to each other. The only way is to impose order, and the best way to impose order is to obliterate all cultural differences in a sustainable way that doesn't rely on the trappings of limited old world tech and ways of life. Anyone who disagrees deserves to be lashed to a cross, just more profligate scum.

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>>387863234
I'm coming for those laser weapons...

>>387865952
Craters can't confiscate weapons

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>Find a flaw to this guy
He's a sociopath and the only reason you are of any use to him whatsoever is because you have access to the Platinum Chip.

This is not bad, in and of itself, provided you stay on his good side. But you will spend the rest of your life effectively a slave whose sole purpose is to please his master and a robot army.

>>387866379
>He's a sociopath
Businessman, anon. It's spelt businessman.

>>387866379
>He's a sociopath
No, he's just callous. A sociopath would do things to hurt other people for his own amusement, House does things which incidentally hurt other people because it's the best way to achieve what he wants. Ruthless rather than wrathful.

>>387863234
Why are mods so quick on deleting New Vegas threads? I look at the catalog and see nothing but off-topic shitposting, but that's apparently okay?

>>387867013
Probably because we've been having the same arguments with the same avenues for argument for roughly 7 years now.

>>387867167
Fallout 4 only released less than 2 years ago, that's a new avenue for an argument.

>>387867251
There is no argument on Fallout 4; "Is it bad?" "Objectively, yes."

>>387866895
He's pretty similar to a high-functioning sociopath. Sociopaths don't generally outright harm people, there are tiers to this shit. They generally don't view people who emotional value and see it as a vague ownership.

>>387865952
I wonder why they made them so extreme in Vegas? In Fallout 1 they'll immediately give a fresh wastelander recruit energy weapons with a speech check.

>>387867690
120 years of inbreeding and isolationism

>>387863573
In the endings he lets you basically stay and live as rich fucker in Vegas.

Or maybe that's just the bad karma version because he's afraid of you don't know about the good one off of hand.

>>387867724
It's still silly when you think about it. Original Brotherhood barely survived the nuclear winter and insane raider gangs and were isolationists but NV BoS are straight up terrorists.

Is Unarmed fun
I just beat the game for the first time being a speech using pussy
I just want to punch motherfuckers in the goddamn face with a fucking shotgun on my wrist now

>>387867690
People overblow their hordeing, most small shit they'll even trade without siders, the reason they were Extreme in Vegas was the fact that the NCR kicking their ass in a war before the events of the game (and not just the Mojave Chapter but other chapters as well in California) has made them beyond cautious. Back in FO1 they were pretty much the top of the food chain in a way in the fact that most of the wasteland was both not able to match them technologically, or in terms of organization. The NCR had the organization and the numbers and the supplies to finally do it later.

So in short they could afford to give some literal who a shitty rifle and send them on a believed suicide mission back then, in NV they can't afford that anymore.

How similar are the Mr. House and Yes Man questlines?

>>387868051
You already know the answer to that. Best to go Legion so you can punch the shit out of people with all of your fellow unarmed supermen. For extra fun, make your secondary explosives.

>>387863573
Those people are free to leave New Vegas at any time if they want some wasteland democracy.

>>387868163
Mr. House puts limitations on you, and Yes Man doesn't give a fuck what you do, as long as you win. I guess more similar than NCR/Legion, but different enough to both be worth playing.

>>387863573
Trust in what? That he won't go through with his vision of turning Las Vegas into a high tech city even more advanced than Pre War America?

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>>387863446
This is the greatest post I have seen on this board in 7 years,

>>387863234
Dies when you throw a spear through his head I mean what a pussy I took a 9mm in the head and got fucking buried alive but this dick can't take a spear

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>>387863573
>Trust is key
>one of the major factions thrives off scamming the trust of others

>>387864002
Think about what you are saying. What would have happened to the Mojave if the NCR didn't extend to it?

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>>387868193
This, house isn't a dictator, nobody is forcing them to stay.

I kill this guy as soon as get there.

>>387867960
Societies change over time, not always for the better. The Brotherhood of Steel's original mission became less and less relevant over time, until the rise of NCR finally made it obsolete. Instead of changing with the times, integrating with NCR to carry on their self imposed duty, they doubled down on their insularity and adherence to tradition.

Self-importance and quasi-religious social structure are not healthy traits in the wasteland.

>>387868412
House runs an oasis in an incredibly hostile environment. Once the NCR and the Legion are driven out, people will have literally nowhere else in the Mojave to safely live. At that point House becomes the de facto dictator of the wasteland, and everyone will be forced to play rigged slots for the rest of Vegas' existence.

>>387868412
>house isn't a dictator
He is and even calls himself such. He just doesn't give a shit about people if they're not infringing on his plans.

If you were an important scientist or engineer he would be hard pressed to replace, yes, he might object to you leaving but the common man can fuck off back to NCR for all he cares.

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>>387868789
>people will have literally nowhere else in the Mojave to safely live
Goodsprings, Primm and Novac all continue to exist in every ending where you don't destroy them yourself.

Outer Vegas, which is Westside and North Vegas, are improved if you kill the Fiends.

Jacobstown isn't explicitly against non-mutants living there and Marcus has already governed a human/mutant/ghoul inclusive town.

Going House is against everything the story of New Vegas stands for, that being letting go of the past. Nothing opposes that message more than supporting a fucking mummy in a pickle jar blinded with the same delusions of grandeur as the Republic or Legion.

He only really cares about vegas and money and will spin you any shit to make you think he's da future of humanity.

>>387868789
That's not House's plan. It's not an economy if everyone is gambling. He wants to use the influx or caps from the NCR troops gambling at the strip to as captial for a new high tech city based on the security and peace his robots provide. Farms, industry, businesses will flourish. Then with his scientific genius he'll build a new high tech industry "in 20 years" and in 50 he'll have people in orbit.

>>387869137
This, also with the New Vegas economy booming, even if house doesn't do anything with them, people still need to go though places like Primm, the 188, Novac, Freeside, etc. to get there meaning they probably will buy shit there as well and the economies improve as well.

>>387869346
He's an immortal corpse in a tube playing Sim City. What could he possibly be doing other than furthering his goals to improve humanity? It's not like he any desires for material wealth or shit.

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>Muh objectivism
> Not going Yes Man and turning new vegas into a functioning anarcho communist society

>>387869312
Except House can do it. He has the scientific genius and foresight to not rely on limited fossil fuels, and the businesslike ability to run a city without going insane with power. He combines the scientific advancement of the NCR with the autocratic single minded determination of the Legion.

>>387869137
None of those (barring maybe Jacobstown, though the relation between mutants and humans is always extremely tenuous) have either the stability or safety factor of Vegas. Outer Vegas lasts only as long as House wouldn't just incorporate it. Goodsprings and Primm are at the whim of the wasteland, Sheriff or not. Jacobstown is fine and all, unless some anti-mutant factor (or simply House eliminating all major players in the wasteland) comes into play. If you were some dude in he wasteland and you had to choose between those 4 options, you'd choose Vegas every time.

>>387869312
the primary difference is that house is from the past, while the NCR and legion fetishize the past and thats what the game tries to beat over your head.

>>387869475
House is many things, but Emperor of Mankind he is not.

>>387869513
You actually bought that bullshit?

>>387869508
>Communist
>Functioning

Pick one.

>>387869363

In 20 years he will have a shit load of caps and in 50 years he will have a bigger shit load of caps and will probably have gone completely off the deep end. You're not going to space.

>>387869363
The point was more that House is absolutely a Dictator through and through (though that's not necessarily a bad thing.)

>>387869475

He very much desires material wealth going by the general opinion of everyone that isn't house.

>>387869568
>bullshit
He's proven he has the scientific genius. He built RobCo, the securitrons and made himself immortal. Even by pre war standards he's a genius. And so far he's displayed no insane dictator tendencies unlike Caesar, enslaving and crucifying people. He actually brought in a few wild tribes and civilized them into businessmen. If he does go on an Expansionist streak like the NCR at worst he becomes them but without the bureaucracy.

He's a condescending jerk.
No person should willingly choose to serve under someone who berates them

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>>387869508
>"anarcho communist"

>>387869697
Your literally Caesars bitch and that NCR whore bosses you around like a whipped dog. Yes Man is for reddit memers.

>>387869587
>House wants caps
He's smart enough to understand currency buys goods and services of people who want it. The wasteland doesn't have jack shit he wants, except someone to do things like the Courier. Even if he does built an enormous wealth, he has nothing to spend in on but advancing the Strip.

>>387863573
There would be no reason to no trust him. House is only interested in making the society in his image, he has no reason to do anything otherwise.

>>387869828
>You're
im tired

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The only flaw with House is that my Courier could do what he's doing but better.

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>>387869508

Stuck in the past and picking over its scraps, like every other faction.

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I have never seen more stupid people discuss a videogame than this thread.

>>387869661
>no one has ever spoke to House before you
>all they know of him is that he's the guy who runs things and collects taxes

The general opinions of people don't mean shit when literally all they have to go on is "he's rich"

>>387869661
>people who lose money/have to pay him think he's greedy
Maybe. But the important thing is how he'll spend the money. Unlike 99% of the wasteland he won't blow it on booze and chems.

>>387869975
BEAR

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>>387869975
Since when did you shitpost on /v/ Ulysses?

>>387869587
>In 20 years he will have a shit load of caps
He's already spent over 800,000 caps on recovering the Platinum Chip.

And you can't really stockpile caps like you can dollars. There's no digital banking. Taking a huge number of caps out of circulation would destabilise the economy.

>>387867690
They're not extreme, except for being extremely reasonable and kind. It's the post-apocalypse and they live right next to robot overlord, super mutant mountain, legion loser land, jew cuckifornia republic, deathclaw murderditch, and powder nignoggers. The most logical and pragmatic thing to do would be to shoot you once you enter their bunker. I don't find anything they do in this game unreasonable.

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>>387870040
AND BULL
BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL WALK DAT ROAD N WALK IT ALONE WALK DAT ROAD AND WALK IT ALONE WALK DAT ROAD AND WALK IT ALONE

>>387869975
Yeah, but one of those factions went back so far that's it's actually sustainable in a time in which most technology no longer functions. It also acknowledges that maybe constitutional democracy isn't the most apt choice for a time in which a good chunk of human society has reverted to tribalism, and also notes that the NCR was at its peak doing something not too dissimilar from what it's doing now.

>>387870136
Those retards attack you on sight. They don't attack you if you pick the lock.

>>387869989

There's a between "he's rich" and "he sends his securitrons to shake down people barely holding it together to begin with". A humanitarian he is not.

>>387870040
California ceased to exist by the time the bombs fell, what is left is merely ragged costume, a farce after tragedy.
>>387870098
Ulysses was the highest point for character design in 3-and-after fallout.

>>387869661
The majority of people don't realize he lives in a fucking tube.

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>>387870324
>Ulysses was the highest point for character design in 3-and-after fallout
HAHAHAHAHA
He was just an edgy nonsensical nignog that spewed 2deep4u bullshit and lonesome road sucked donkey dick.

>not killing caesar, mr. house, kimball, and disintegrating yes man

>>387870242
I've never encountered a BoS paladin in the wasteland that wasn't a corpse. Is that a thing that even happens? Can they be encountered outside of their bunker?

>>387869923
>Some fucking mailman being smarter than a literal genius who managed to make himself immortal and created a whole army of robots
Yeah okay

>>387870263
>sends his securitrons to shake down people
Doesn't happen. He might charge a ridiculous 50% income tax but everyone paying that tax agreed to the terms because they wanted to be on the Strip.

>>387870453
At night they go outside their bunker to buy things.

>>387868886
>He is and even calls himself such

"You'd rule as some kind of dictator?"

"I prefer the term autocrat. I have no interest in what people do in the privacy of their own homes."

>>387870453
They patrol Hidden Valley after dark, when the sandstorm generator is active

>>387870429
>He was just an edgy nonsensical nignog that spewed 2deep4u bullshit and lonesome road sucked donkey dick.
And that is, unfortunately, the high point.

>>387870538
Dictator and Autocrat are synonyms

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Best waifu?

>>387863234
>Find a flaw to this guy

It was really easy for me to put a bullet in his head and it killed him.

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>rich genius
>2 century plan
>new vegas is diamond in the wasteland
>some teenager who gets shot in the head, ego and power tripping comes along steals your platinum chip and unplugs you
>so he can make his own shitty vegas that will be destroyed by infighting between different savage wasteland groups

I'm so sorry Mr. House I was ignorant on my first playthrough.
>will never travel to other planets untainted by the likes of NCR and Caesars legion

>>387870193
Part of the theme of NV was the conflict between the old, society before the bombs, or at least its idealised forms, against a very different reality (nuclear wasteland with zany monsters). It wasn't just the NCR's democracy that was portrayed as particularly bad, but even caesars, well, caesarism and houses vegas eccentricity
It was all to play up the lonesome road, really.

>>387870605
Caesar's use of (incredibly simplified) Hegelian Dialectics was at least somewhat interesting. Ulysses always just seemed like a guy with a good voice who was always trying his very fucking best to sound "cool", and most of what he said was just flowery prose communicating shit we could really piece together ourselves.

>>387870193
>sustainable
Because their most advanced technology is a spear. What's the point of science that never advances? Not to mention the whole thing is going to come apart soon. Nations built around a single, all powerful dictator inevitably get a shit dictator sooner or later who ruins everything.

>>387869508
I think you mean Monarchy

>>387870647
That's not Moria.

>>387863234
Wasn't smart enough to stop a mailman with twenty landmines and a mininuke launcher from ending him once he was no longer useful

>>387870483

>courier with max INT
it checks out

>>387870807
>tfw also went yes man the first time
I was blind but now I see
>massacred BoS for him

>>387870837
I understand the theme, but I'm honestly pretty convinced the best way to go about it at that point is Caesar's way. Not sure a basis on Rome is the best way to go about it (since if anyone learns to read it could be bad news), but it's better than the current alternatives imo. New Vegas didn't paint NCR or House to be particularly bad, _I_ am because that's my honest opinion.

>>387870953
Arcade has 10 INT, would you say he's as smart as House?
Really think about what you're saying here.

>>387870896
monarchy = feudal system = lesse faire capitalism

>>387870996
>obeying a literal yes man

>>387863234
He's kinda a dick to the NCR.

>>387871073
House has INT 5
Arcade confirmed smarter than House

>>387870867
No one said it would never advance, it's just using what is currently sustainable. As humanity continues to adapt, and relearn what it lost (slowly, at a similar pace to how it acquired it in the first place), things will eventually reach a similar point to where the NCR is trying to be at now, only with better sustainability at the cost of obviously taking much, MUCH more time. Of course, you're right, it'd take multiple great leaders, but that's not to say that couldn't happen (did with Rome for a while).

>>387871001
>Legion
If it actually were like Rome. Rome actually respected culture and technology. And it was full of educated, skilled people. Sallow leads a tribe of barbarians he conquered. He's like Genghis Khan except Genghis Khan actually respected knowledge and religion and had an good, meritocractic administration system

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>>387863573
yeah but you know he had to do it to em

>>387871204
checkmate atheists

>>387863234
He hurt muh feefees

>>387870841
I don't look at caesar as a high point mostly because he seems pretty much unfinished. Ulysses, for the many drawbacks in design, just had a lot more weight than caesar.
The legion and caesar are interesting, but not really so as a matter of how they figured into the actual game. As usual, the most interesting parts of games are always left unfinished.

>>387869828
Of all the people mentioned there is one that doesn't treat you like shit.

>>387863234
Pretty cool guy.

>>387871001
>since if anyone learns to read it could be bad news
yeah lol he basically put all his faith in the legion remaining mostly uneducated and half-tribal. It's not that house and NCR aren't portrayed as bad, but that Caesar's legion was in no way given equal treatment in the final product.
>>387871227
Caesars legion was not the roman empire, and he admits about as much.

>>387871227
Actual Rome also had a an ultra-advanced (for the time) hub, where technology and the arts could flourish while the legion was out subjugating the tribes. Caesar's goal is to turn Vegas into that hub, a permanent fixture that he can turn into the next Rome. No more nomadic warmongering (or so he says).

>>387871204
House also has 10 END despite being a half dead mummy that gets a deadly infection from five minutes of fresh wasteland air

>>387863573
>the courier is a tool
You don't have a contract with a tool. The courier is an employee, and Mr. House is his (extremely magnanimous) boss.

>>387871206
The Roman Empire never had an active hatred of technology. It also wasn't built from barbarians. After Caesar dies Lanius is next who's a Kim Jung Il tier retard.

>>387871495
>recruit a bunch of savage tribes, mostly by force
>leave literally no room for the development of art or technology in your empire
>"yeah man we'll conquer vegas and turn it into a center where art and technology will flourish long after I die"

>>387871495
New Vegas is just slots and blackjack, except for the lucky 38. How is he going to turn it into a scientific hub? Not just that but he's the only educated person in the Legion. Maybe if he kidnapped some Followers. But even then, he active destroys tech like the securitrons.

>>387871491
It's clear they're being given the bad guy treatment for sure, but Caesar actually expounds (in some limited degree) on his philosophy. We don't get much of that from the NCR (though they have multi-game development and their philosophy is pretty obvious), and House is an interesting figure but his ultimate goals and philosophy seem to revolve around the concept of "I'm so smart I can make vegas better than it was pre-war, just cause I can". Just how I see it, anyways.

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>>387870627
While both refer to political systems where power rests in the hands of an individual, there are subtle differences that make the two forms of governance different from one another.

An autocracy is a system of government in which supreme power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control. May be benevolent or evil, it depends. Historically, absolute monarchies were autocracies. An autocrat lacks the personality cult of a dictator and this probably restrains him from taking extreme decisions that could severely hurt his people. House is charismatic, but he doesn't care to sway hearts and minds with his charm.

Dictatorship could be the rule of a particular party or class (such as a single party rule as in Hitler’s Germany, or the military junta, in Myanmar) while, in autocracy, it is always a single individual who is at the helm of the affairs. This is a form of oppressive government, often characterized by deaths, killings, or genocide because of greed, hatred, pride, and power. Example, Gaddafi, Mugabe. A dictator often turns tyrannical as he knows that he need not give a justification for any of his moves or policies. Dictators are often associated with an autocratic state but can exist outside of it. So some would call Putin a dictator, but Russia is not an autocracy.

>>387871789
>but Caesar actually expounds (in some limited degree) on his philosophy
True, but in very limited dialogue. I'm not saying he could not have been a good character, but that he simply was not. There was simply not enough for the player to work with.
>We don't get much of that from the NCR
Not necessarily. We get a good idea of what the NCR is about and what sort of people they are simply because, well, the majority of the game is basically spent in NCR turf interacting with the NCR, even the independent and house routes are basically just NCR with a twist. That's the treatment the legion should have got. Y'know, a fair one.
But y'know, i guess it can't be helped, tight development cycles and ambitious designs are a bad combo.

>>387870647
>new vegas developers were stuck to that shitty engine and couldn't make any females look like pinups
fucking why

>>387872249
The girl who ask you to bug lucky 38 was cute

>>387871497
That's because he's been alive for 261 years, he's endured longer than anybody else.

>>387872249
Bethesda screwed Obsidian in many ways.

>>387863234
I want the Mohave to be wild and free. House will just turn it into another jew fest with taxes and laws.

>>387872345
Nigga you know that's not what Endurance is about

>>387872358
In any case, obsidian did not have the resources to source a new engine or build one from scratch in the first place.

>>387872249
and now learn that Bethesda kept obsidian from using the creation engine because they wanted skyrim to be the first to use it.

>>387863446
What exactly do you mean by 'masterbating with your hips'? As in humping something? Or just pelvic thrusts?

>>387872509
I don't think they were allowed to, Anon.
Nobody in their right mind would use Gamebryo except Bethesda.

>>387871758
You an always sell Arcade into the legion.

>>387872893
>I don't think they were allowed to, Anon.
I didn't doubt that, I merely noted that they couldn't do anything about it even if they wanted to.
As I said, that FO3 turned out so much as halfway playable is an achievement in itself. The sooner they drop this one engine fits all model, the better.

>>387872178
Caesar was a complex enough character, and we hear about the legion as much as we hear about the NCR.

>>387863234
Self loving cunt.

The courier is better

>>387873194
The courier murders people for fun.

>>387872509
This even if they were aloud too, Obsidian was, and still is dirt poor. At the time they were fucking nobodies and people only mentioned in passing like 'Oh yeah those guys who made Fallout 2 made a company'

>>387863446
>>387868350
>This is the most reddit tier post I've seen in 7 years
Fixed

>>387873054
Won't happen unless a) the Gamebryo hackjob Bethesda uses now becomes unmaintainable b) people actually stopped buying their games because the engine doesn't work.
A is more likely to happen than B.

>>387870941
This is a valid point. The second the NCR gets their hands on artillery or any other bit of heavy firepower they could just shell the fuck out of the lucky 38, right? You can see the building miles from the actual city, what's stopping anybody from assassinating House with a 120mm shell?

>>387873183
>Caesar was a complex enough character
Again, in concept. There was a lot we did not learn about caesars character and the legion in general that was mostly fleshed out for other factions. He wasn't a character that one followed and watched in development, nor was the legion in general.
We see them sometimes, usually involved in some nefarious plot, and then we get to go to their little camp. Even following their route is not much more added to this, except now we're a nefarious plotter. It would have been preferable if their territory east of the colorado was explorable turf with quests and towns and everything that we got with the NCR and New Vegas. Y'know, a place that we went to and stayed.

>>387873525
>Won't happen
Don't say it out loud. Help me sleep at night.
Just tell me sweet little lies.

>>387872567
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>387873537
NCR's problem was house, not the strip. They wanted it intact, absorbing soldiers salaries like a black hole but with the income this time going into their pockets.

>>387873341

nothing wrong with that

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>>387870483
yes

>>387863234
only statist cucks hate this man, he is mayne the only thing good in NV, the only one who is triying to do something useful...

>>387868789
he is THE MAN who builded and planified the jewel of the NV, without him no one will had nothing, with him maybe after some years we would say godbye to the postapocaliptical life conditions, while this man builds the others destroy or simply consume without rebuilding nothing

>>387873565
Saying something doesn't make it true. It only demonstrates your lack of attention. I know that Caesar was quite expanded on. We hear about him and the legion from many characters. Chief Hanlon gives a memorable write up of him. Graham is a piece of Caesar's history made flesh. So was Ulysses. We also learn about Caesar and the legion from the man himself. Compared to the major NCR characters and BOS characters, Caesar has more fluff attached than any of them. I feel like you only disagree because you dislike him on a personal level.

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>>387863234
>Play New Vegas when it came out
>Was in Year 11 at the time
>Go with Yes Man and kill House because believe the 'muh individualism follow your dream you are special snowflake that can do anything' that gets spouted in high school
>Play it again in 2014
>Third year of university
>Literally no reason not to go with House
>Chuckle to myself thinking 'there are adults out there who would still unironically disagree with House and side with Yes-Man
Worth noting is how it dawned on me that his request to genocide the BoS is probably the worst, most out of character piece of writing in the whole game. He made so much sense that it feels like they said to themselves 'whoah, if we don't make him do something radical, there's literally no downside to him', so they add in the nonsensical quest. An autocrat with a vision is better than a thousand democracies. Gaddafi is a good example. Man had pipes laid across the country so water could flow to even the most remote tribes, worth around $7 billion today. But crushing dissent to actually get shit done isn't worth it because it's not democratic :(

>>387873987
>>387870483
Couriers aren't just mailmen, you fucking idiot

>>387863234
The NCR objectively does the most good and least harm for the entire foreseeable future if you play your cards right.
>inb4 completely non-canon speculation about things that happen after the ending slides, based entirely around speculation from characters who aren't by any means infallible
>inb4 someone complains about corruption/oligarchy in the NCR as if House gives a flying fuck about anyone who isn't making him money, and doesn't allow the Strip to be run by literal organized crime families

>>387874501
Shit dude you're young as hell. I was 20 when it came out.

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>>387874557
>I'm sometimes called a "Courier."
>Oh, a mailman. A delivery man. Someone who takes parcels from place to place using their primitive feet or similar conveyance.

Even the game disagrees with you

He basically wants to create an Orwellian dystopia, but it would arguably be the best ending for the Courier and the upper class citizens of New Vegas.

>>387874501
The decision to make House's request to eliminate the BOS was indeed a decision that was implemented by the devs to stop everyone from siding with him. All the playtesters were sticking with House because there was no reason not to.

>>387874501
>his request to genocide the BoS is probably the worst, most out of character piece of writing in the whole game
No, you're just an idiot.

>isolationist technophobes who believe they should control access to all advanced Pre-War military technology
>egotistical dictator that wants to use an army of Pre-War murderbots to enforce his right to rule
>ever coexisting peacefully

>>387874764
Tell that to Ulysses.

>>387874919
Tell anything to ulysses and he will find a way to say bear and bull.

>>387869508
>Ancom
>Posts food
???

>>387874501
While the request to wipe out the brotherhood did make sense, it was out of character for house to ask that. With the boomers, he asks for you to get them on his side. With the omertas, he wants to negotiate first, even though they were planning to betray him. He even wanted the president of the NCR alive. It's way out of character for him to ask you to shoot first and negotiate never, although it does make sense. Once the NCR and Legion are done waving their dicks around near new vegas, that just leaves him and the wildlife to keep the brotherhood from gaining power. That's not strategically a good position to be in.

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>>387875167
Read the bread book

>>387874786
>an Orwellian dystopia
Any dystopia where recreational sex still exists is automatically better than 1984

>>387866849
>>387866895
Countless studies have confirmed that CEOs of large corporations are likely to exhibit behaviors which are sociopathic. The more elite you are, the less you empathize with others.

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>>387869508
Git out commie.

>>387875269
The Securitron army outnumbers the Mojave Chapter five to one, and one robot carries more firepower than one Paladin. House has no reason not to beat them and enslave them like the Emperor did to the Machine Cult.

And you can put your House propaganda cards back in the deck. I've heard them all, and they're rubbish.

>>387864002

All House supporters are Star Citizen backers.

People willing to murder for even a slim chance of space exploration.

I like space too. What I don't like is killing a whole group of people - a group of people I have never seen doing anything wrong in any Fallout game.

I think the real question is why does Caesar look like a young Mike Pence?

>>387869508
The Followers of the Apocalypse are basically a functioning ancom society in Fallout.

>>387875282
Go preach your shitty failed idealogy on a non-video games board.

>>387875330
I've never had recreational sex. It doesn't feel too bad.

>>387874445
Whoa buddy, this is just a difference of opinion on vidya. There's no need to go for attacks on character.
>Compared to the major NCR characters
The NCR was not important by any particular characters, the NCR was the totality of minor interactions with minor characters, of which let's face it there's a ton. Nearly everything west of the Colorado is de facto theirs, most of the players interactions up until the camp are with the NCR, and even the minor factions are defined by their relation to the NCR above all. At least houses little oasis is not just uniquely his, but is an area greater than a square kilometre and with varied activities and interactons for the player. The casino tribes and their relation to house is both interesting and makes for some great quests.

It's not merely about the presence of the legion and Caesar, but the scale of presence. Sure, we can talk to Caesar and get what he's about, but he does not develop more than that, and neither do we see any sort of dynamism in the legion that the player can affect, beyond the main story outcome.
>BOS characters
BOS were a minor faction. There's no point expecting much on that front.

Graham's piece on Caesar did not develop Caesar, it developed Graham. This isn't particularly surprising, he is the main focus of his DLC. It did not bring the legion perspective that was so lacking. Not that it was not a great bit of dialogue for the Caesar side, I'll certainly admit as much, but it's put up a side-lore.

As for Hanlon, we don't learn anything more about Caesar and the Legion that we don't already get from other characters.

Again, I'm not saying that there is something wrong with Caesar and the legion beyond that they are unfinished and unfairly treated by the final product.

>arguing about Caesars Legion when they had to cut out the vast majority of content that made them look justified and just kept the stuff that made them look like slightly flashier raiders Vs the misguided but Good(TM) NCR

>>387874794
>old-worlders sticking with the paragon of old world decrepitude
who is surprised

>>387875330
so like, what if the world as 1984, but with legal prostitution.
Bonus; every woman has to serve as a prostitute for minimum of 1 year

>>387875448
The BOS does a lot of wrong things in NV. And the Mojave chapter is all but assured to die out eventually, anyway. Lets just get on with it.

>>387875446
If gameplay is anything to go by, the Securitrons are all Bark no Bite.
I can destroy so many of them easily.

>>387875598
Man they could have even kept the overbearing moral judgement on the legion, so long as they just gave them content.

>>387875753
>The BOS does a lot of wrong things in NV.

Like what?

And no, the end slide doesn't count. What bad things do you see the BoS doing ingame?

>>387875695
But 1984 isn't what house wants. All he wants is money and to remake vegas back to how it used to be in the old world. Vegas is about as far from vingsoc as it gets.

>>387875982
>doing ingame
It's nice you've included that disclaimer so you can ignore the fact they started, and then lost, a war with NCR over the contentious issue of "who gets to hold a laser rifle"

Because god forbid your whole argument fall apart on the simple fact that they've tried to destroy the only thing like a stable government in the wasteland over the most petty of ideological disagreements

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>get power armour training
>blow their base after
Every single time, even if i will not use power armour.

>>387876208
It makes a little sense insofar as their reasoning is that the technology to produce advanced technology has been mostly lost and if it's in the hands of warring factions unconcerned with its upkeep (like a courier burning through hundreds for spare parts) they might be lost forever.
That's not to say trying to roll the NCR was a good idea tho.

>>387875584
Saying something doesn't make it true. Up to Camp Macarran we have Primm (NCR), Nipton (Legion), Legion Raid Camp (Legion)
>Ranger station charlie (NCR), Novac (neutral place where you learn about both), Helios one (NCR), Interstate 188 (BOS, Gun Runners, NCR), then you get to Mccarran. You hear about the legion and see them quite a bit.

Also Hanlon's tale of Caesar is unique. You learn about his history and get a few personal insites from Hanlon about what kind of man he is. Hanlon is one of the few people who doesn't just call Caesar evil.

>>387876325
>not getting PA Training from the Remnants and mowing them all down using Remnants PA
It's like you don't even irony

>>387875680
Old world degeneracy would be NCR.

"If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows."

>>387863234
He has lost touch with his humanity enough that he generally can't see the world around him as much more than figurative and estimated statistics. The common man is more of a resource to him than anything, and his vision of the future is romanticized based mostly on his perception of a dead society and his own ego.

That said he is probably the best choice of the options presented. Having the Courier as his second-in-command allows him to bridge the gap between himself and the rest of humanity. The good ending also makes it a point that he does feel a sense of pride in the Courier, which implies that he does have a degree of trust in them. He also has a definitive plan which he may actually be able to make possible.

Compare to the others. The Legion is doomed because Caesar doesn't seem to realize that his Legion is nothing but a large band of raiders that wouldn't be able to function in any sort of half-decent society. The NCR is gonna keep repeating the same mistakes the old government did. And Yes Man is just the Courier in House's place, who lacks House's vision and knowledge, though admittedly the Wild Card ending has, appropriately, the most unpredictable outcome.

>>387875982
Like being isolationists who won't adapt with the times. Did you do the Veronica quest? She goes up to Elder Macca and offers him some proof that the the BOS is seriously screwed if they don't change. He refuses to do anything. Veronica says, and I quote, "We'll die out".

His response is "I know".

There's nothing you can say to him to change his mind. It's sad, but the BOS has no future in the Mojave. Their time in the region is over.

>>387871227
It's a cult of personality that's masquerading as an empire. Caesar is a fucking retard.

>>387876415
Well, let's consider the pathway.
You go north and get to interact with an NCR mining camp with some fun little unmarked quests and a deathclaw nest you can raid for them. Head south and you're amongst a gang made of of escaped NCR prisoners, with of course plenty of quest interaction. Keep going south and you're in primm, an NCR town with a gang problem. You're next stop is the NCR outpost on the Long 15, with of course quests and interactions. and *then* you get to nipton and do some proper legion-related business. This pattern basically repeats until the camp proper.

It's unique, but unique to Hanlon. Like with Graham, this isn't dialogue necessarily about Caesar but about Hanlon.

>>387876549
The old world was not one set of values, but a multitude of festering sores, all culminating in atomic hellfire.

>>387873448
>aloud

>>387877049
Could the legion ever survive without Caesar? He thinks New Vegas will stabilise it, but I don't see how. It's a tourist economy. No one would go there if the legion controlled it. It would just be a place with big buildings to them.

>>387877204
Actually, it was aliens. Play the mothership zeta DLC.

>>387877448
Not canon.

>>387877204

The new world is a bunch of tribal raiders.

>>387877448
Even aliens are the old world. They too must be nuked.

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>>387877395
>He thinks New Vegas will stabilise it
No, he thinks conquering NCR and reforming the Legion from an aggressive group of raiders into a centralized, defensive army will stabilise it

>>387877395
Stabilize it in the sense that it gives them someone to beat up on and plunder. The legion is fucked whenever it has to look inwards, until eventually that lack of inward attention results in its decline.
Like real rome!
>>387877561
Aw well tribals can't nuke yet. New world ain't so bad. It's got jet, after all.

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>>387877561

I see no reason to change this.
Only the weak oppose a world where the strong thrive.

>>387871487
eh rules vegas and doesn't afraid of anything

>>387877860

You mean only the intelligent oppose a world where the dumb thrive.

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>>387877604
>ruins the old world by providing the intellectual basis for communism
>tries to ruin the new world
No man has done more evil.

>>387877938

Intelligent people wouldn't be weak in a world with Guns and tactical combat, retard.
The smart people would lead bands of raiders and tribes to victory.

>>387875109
The man says he delivers messages

his message to you and the think tank is "who are you, who do not know your history?"
he wanted the scientists to remember and get out of their loop that Mobius created to keep the rest of the world safe.

He just wanted to guilt trip you for destroying a legion town he was probably going to destroy because they destroyed his tribe

>>387878027
According to Hegel, it was the intellectual basis for the Prussian state.
You're a fan of Prussia, right?

>>387878120
Not after what happened

>>387878114
>destroying a legion town he was probably going to destroy
The Divide wasn't a Legion town. It's between NCR and the Mojave

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>>387878120
>You're a fan of Prussia, right?
You're joking, right?

>>387878265
I don't see Frederick there

>>387878252
Right, forgot he said he was PLANNING on giving it to the legion, my bad.

>>387876838
That is supposed to convince me that I should kill them all?

>>387879212
No place for dead weight in the wasteland, chump

>>387863234
If this motherfucker was just a tad bit nicer I wouldn't have killed him.

>>387863234
He forces you to kill the Brotherhood, when they should have been working together.
The BoS wants pre war tech, and House is the original inventor of several of them.

>>387881295
They can't work together. MAYBE BOS could work for House but that's about it.

>>387882562
The only reason this is true, is because House wants them dead.

>>387883307
>I live in a fantasy world where my headcanon is right and the game is wrong
Quit being a faggot, the game goes out of its way to show that the BoS is beyond redemption

I don't really care about space exploration, but House is the better choice for Vegas.
>did indeed protect it against the bombs
>man has a plan and is set on making it happen
>has actually the means to make it happen, with an army loyal to him and uncorruptible
>will live way longer than you, so he will be able to have a long-term plan
>will humble the NCR and stop its over-expansion, making them refocus their ressources on stabilizing internaly and hopefuly making their territory safer than it is now, all the while offering them a place to spend money as to not have overinflation back in the NCR
>will act as a buffer between the Legion and other factions

Now I'm not saying he's perfect. He's ruthless, kind of a dick, arrogant and self-important. His grand vision of Vegas might be at his image, cold and unforgiving, but that doesn't mean it's a bad place to start the rebuild of a civilization. It's a good thing to have a guy like him in charge; he's not a maniac, and his idealism/romantism is not overblown because he's too smart not to be pragmatical when he needs to be. Plus the NCR is still around and this "set-back" will allow them to strenghten.
Really, what's the bad side?

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>Fallout New Vegas
>Choice between supporting 4 factions
>Post-apocalyptic republic, roman savages, a two-hundred year old entrepreneur, or yourself
>Each and every single faction has its ups and downs
>Each faction is fleshed out and developed
>The New California Republic is the closest thing to a nation but they're constantly lost in bureaucracy, logistics and tax people too much
>The Legion is a faction full of roman-styled barbarians ruled by a leader with an iron fist that believes that every tribe must be absorbed by force in order to be prosperous
>House is an extremely intelligent CEO of a pre-war megacorporation that wants to restart the technological development of post-nuclear America and sees several other factions as idiots with no long-term thinking
>You can take the matter into your own hands and tell every other faction to fuck off, using a friendly subservient AI and an army of millitary-grade robots to enforce your message
>Closest you can get to a golden ending is siding with House or yourself
>"Hey guys Obsidian did well with faction development, let's do the same with our upcoming game"
>Fallout 4
>Have the choice of supporting oppressive synth slavers, synth liberators, anti-synths and the local militia
>All the "good morality" development of the Fallout 3 BoS, the only branch that was aware that continuing a technophilic crusade with such a small amount of people is retarded, has been thrown to the trash because
>The railroad doesn't give a shit about the people and just wants sentient synths to be free
>The institute holds an oppressive and paranoia-filled regime because
>The Minutemen are the only people that don't want to deal with any of the other 3 factions' giggling and shitting and just want the Commonwealth to be free from any influence, paving the way to a nation similar to the New California Republic
>Closest you can get to a golden ending is siding with the Minutemen
>Your son hates you if you don't side with the sorta-evil faction

>>387884050
>will live way longer than you
with MC potentialyl being more of a machine than a human after OWB and cyborg perk, who knows what lifespan you will even have

>>387884230
Your brain and other organs might be almost eternal for all intent and purposes, but your body will decay around it.
You'll need some help to put your stuff in a jar

>>387884427
You become pretty much an OBW safeguard, no way you can't set up a tank for yourself with remotely controlled synthetic body or something.
Hell, you spend an entire OBW without your brain in your body.

>>387863446
its because it simulates sex, asshole

>>387873491
t. angry handyman

>>387884514
Ah, the DLC known as Old Blues World, along with Heart Honests, Run Gunners, Monkey Dead, and Roadsome Lone

>>387884208
Bethesda is a shit, we know that. Also anybody who thinks synths are people are stupid. Not just stupid, but mentally retarded, there are more genders than stars in the galaxy kind of stupid. They kill people, replace them, and then when a human finds out they're always "Oh man, I regret this horribly, let me find a way to be free away from the evil institute", aka "Shit, they know, time to move." At any point the institute can give the radio signal and they'll murder everything around them. Synths may be the most convincing human replica, but that's all they are, replicas. At the end of the day you can hook them up to a computer and the instant you do they "lose their free will", because they never had any to begin with. They're meant to infiltrate human society, so of course they have to make it convincing that they're real humans, or real persons.

Also thematically to fallout, the institute as a concept is also retarded because they're a post-war group that somehow mastered science and robotics better than the entire US in a cave with a box of scraps, but that's bethesda for you.

>>387885193
It really depends if the synth in question infiltrated with malicious intent and is all like "It's just a prank bro" or it didn't even want to infiltrate in the first place. For them, it's pretty much waking up with artificial memories and immediately being told "hey, go do this stuff". Their artificial free will is a necessary must in order to be fully convincing, and it works pretty well with their implanted memories.

>>387885538
>For them, it's pretty much waking up with artificial memories and immediately being told "hey, go do this stuff"
Even that is not an accurate analogy, because they don't wake up. They don't sleep, either. They're machines, they only do what they're programmed to do. You can hook them up to a computer and change everything about the way they act. You can erase the "memories" and implant new ones. All bethesda did was copy T-600's from the terminator series and make them keep acting friendly and human even when they're found out. They're still scouts, spies, infiltrators, soldiers, and laborers for their machine masters, only their masters are actually human. Who knows for how long though, It'd only take one guy who decides that replacing the institute with their own synths would be a good idea/justice somehow. Then you have robots controlling robots.