>DOOM "demons" are aliens. There is nothing mystical,

You read the novel, I see.

Except John was the demons and then he became a zombie. Checkmate, athiests.

>>387805891
there not really aliens because you are on their planet. so doomguy is the real alien. and they are demonic in appearance only and even there just barely

Why the fuck is there pentagrams and devil worshipping shit everywhere, then?

>>387806440
It's just their culture man!

>>387806440
Genearl household alien tech that stupid humans gave religious connotations to.

>>387805891
Fuck off, fedora.

They use Satanic symbols, are called "demons", are explicitly stated to come from Hell, and most the levels are references to negative spiritual entities in various mythologies around the world.

Whether you call something that isn't human "aliens" or not is semantics.

Demons are better. But that's fucking America for you, like the original [REC] being an actual scary movie about demons possessing souls, and Americunts had to remake it just to turn it into a generic shitty zombie infection film.

City of the Living Dead and Return of the Evil Dead > any shitty science fiction zombie movie.

Some of the flavour text in between levels in Doom 2 already says some of the monsters are aliens.

>>387806192
For once, an intelligent post by Boco, screen cap this, this is a one in a million post.

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demons = aliens
aliens = demons
it changes nothing

>>387806674
"aliens" can mean "someone from a different place" and not just "flying saucers with big brained grey, black eyed people"

>>387806869

Yeah, Doom is about cosmic horror.

>>387806983
Wasn't that Quake's thing until 2?

>>387805891
if you consider creatures from different planets to be equal to creatures from different dimensions

>>387806659
see
>>387806609
>>387806508

>>387806508
>>387806609
what a lucky coincidence it all just happened to resemble a hellscape

totally not hell though

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What happened to them?

>>387807581
There's a theory that some guy in ye olde Biblical times somehow caught a glimpse of their world, thought "a place that awful must be Hell!" and based their version off it.

>>387805891

They come from Hell. They're demons.

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What does /v/ think of this guy?

>>387807375
See:
>Whether you call something that isn't human "aliens" or not is semantics.

So basically the OP is a fedora who feels euphoric from pointing out that you could call the demons something else that reminds him less of religion or mythology or else whatever it is that causes him anal discomfort.

If pretending that the demons are "non-spiritual and non-mystical aliens" while you play makes you enlightened by your intelligence, that's wonderful, but you're still more wrong than right as far as canon is concerned.

That take has been done twice in the series - with the original novels and the movie - and it sucked ass both times.

>>387808236
I'm a fan. What the hell is he from?

>>387805891


You Mars is not their home, they come from a portal from Hell, they tell you so a miriad of times

>>387808368
Doom 2 RPG

>>387808424
They also invaded Mars' moons, Phobos and Deimos.

>>387808264
Why did both novels and the movie even changed, what was basically one of Doom's most important elements?

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>>387807765
immortalized as memes

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>>387807772
>There's a theory
When you have to turn to fan theories to work out very obvious flaws in writing that weren't addressed, you know there's a problem

this whole "Demons were aliens" meme is dumb

>>387809183

Can't offend the religious types.

>>387809515
Which ones, satanists?

>>387809183
Writers trying to be cool special snowflakes and fixing what wasn't broken.

>>387809183
Edgy atheists

>>387807765
Some of them are pretty happy I'd wager.

>>387809629

No, the ones who think exposing children to Satanic imagery is evil and will corrupt them. Ya know, idiots.

>>387809515
how would killing demons be considering offensive to religious people?

as a child i was not allowed to play any game with violence or killing against humans (or RPG's because of Tom Hanks) with the sole exception being Doom

even my mother thought BTFO lucifer with a rokkit launcher was morally sound

>>387809817
On a series with guns and blood?
Isn't Chex Quest good enough for them?

why is doom man always so angry at everything?

>>387809961
Because there are demons that aren't dead yet.

>>387809961
He isn't, he smiles some times.

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>>387805891
So where do they come from? What's their home planet like? How did their society evolve? What is their culture
like? When did they have their first contact? Politics? Music?

Whenever I watch any sci-fi movie with extra terrestrials in it or play a game with extra terrestrials in it these questions
and questions like them always pop up in my head. I always wanna know more about them.

>>387806675
turn your trip back on you fat spic

>>387810049
why is he happy about then?

>>387810263
Having fun at killing demons.

>>387810083

How do you live, anon?
Do you:
>play doom
>game shows you they come from a portal that connects hell
>take a brake from playing
>eat some hot pockets
>look up at the cieling while chewing
>GEE I WONDER WHERE THE COME FROM HURRRRRRRR

>>387808236
>Sawcubus
why did this make me laugh?

>>387810370

No I'm just exploring the idea that they're not
demons from hell etc but just another race from
another planet. Surely they evolved like we humans did
on our planet. I just wanna know their story.

>>387810514
There's nothing deep about doom so don't try because this is something you will be speculating about forever.

If their demens how come holy water don't kill them huh? Check m8

>>387807581
>>387807772
In the books it's explained that they checked out the Earth back during medieval times, and designed their invading army to look like our depictions of hell. Our greatest fears and all that. It just took them so long to return that we had advanced quite a bit since then.

you guys are trying to figure out the precise meaning of some pictures romero drew on his trapper keeper

this is like a star wars lore thread

>>387810754

That's pretty cool.
Does it say why they came to earth or
how far away from earth they originate?

>>387810873
Honestly I don't remember. It was a long while back that I read the books. I just remembered that explanation because like you, I thought it was interesting.

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>>387805891
How did the demons get to mars if hell is located in the fiery center of the earth? It just doesn't make sense.

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>>387810745
>He doesn't know about the Holy Water Pistol from Doom 2 RPG

>>387808236
He's great, is this from that old flip phone Doom game that released forever ago?

>>387810514
they arent from a different planet, they are extradimensional beings, from a dimension that is similar to hell, they come to earth through very short lived rituals or perhaps special humans can see glimpses of it and thats where hell mythology comes from?

I always figured they were from a hell dimension and hated everything else because their plane of existence was always shitty and on fire.

>>387811212
The sequel, but yeah.
The first game had zombie dogs, that with a dog coller, could be picked as melee weapons to bite other enemies.
Then, there was a fire extinguisher, an axe and a bunch of recolors.

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>>387806440
Some Dr. Who esque shit where they've developed a tactic of making themselves appear as a recognizable "worst nightmare" to the people on the planet probably

>>387806659
So the aliens that only communicate with each other through grunts and screams named the locations, or they were named by humans who were attributing human mythos to the aliens? Which one is more likely, brainlet?

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>>387811541
obviously the brain demons named all the locations.
god I wish I was kidding

>>387811669
How does a mastermind birth arachnotrons?

>>387812086
Cloaca

>>387812086
probably lays a birthing sac, then has minions build little robot walkers for the brains to sit on when they are born

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I like how Arachnotrons had more legs and a wider brain-body in Doom 64

>>387807792
You can't just call something hell and then it's hell.
If we start calling Mexico hell does it make Mexicans demons?

>>387811330
Shit, is the sequel good? I remember the first being surprisingly fun for what it was.

>>387812745
Don't be stupid.

>>387812757
I never played both, but i'm really interested in them.

>>387809934
Columbine literally happened because of Doom and Doom only.
Your mother should have went to jail for child abuse as you could have turned out to be a school shooter.

>>387812924
actually one of them was a fucked up bully that killed animals and the other one was bullied by other bullies.

they were giant faggots and a bunch of old people tried to shift the blame from shitty parenting to a easy scapegoat.

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Which Doom had the best version of hell?

>>387812924
>Columbine literally happened because of Doom and Doom only.
It was also the devil music they listened to like KMFDM.

>>387809403
Are you really looking to DOOM for good writing?

The biblical implications are slightly hampered by the cyberdemons. That implies engineering and intent.

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>They're aliens

Of course they're aliens they come from another dimension called Hell that is made of suffering and souls what the fuck you don't understand you stupid piece of shits of course they're alien to anything and anyone that's what an alien is and means

>>387810514
anon why
do you type
like this
this looks
so
retarded
and like you
are from
the website
that shall not be
named

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>>387813173
If I remember right the evil castle you start off in has a NIN logo on the floor.

>>387813354
the original primer for doom was pretty good

>>387810514
Carmack says that story in a game is like story in a porn, so doom has the plot of a porn. Lore solved.

>>387813410
my headcanon has always been that they got a hold of human tech and used it to create robots or fix wounded demons. not like "demon scientists and demon doctors with demon syringes and demon tools fixing demons" but more like, hell itself corrupting technology. or using the knowledge of humans that are corrupted and supportive to do that stuff.

>>387813838
is that where H-Doom comes from?

>>387809934
Tom Hanks? wat

>>387810625
This.

>>387813749
Man, I love that description about Doomguy. Doomguy always has been a particularly brave grunt and nothing more
Fuck 2016 with this "le doomslayer hurr le ancient warrior" shit, fucking cringe

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>>387813958
yes

>>387814198
well the thing about 2016 doomslayer is that its doomguy from 1993 just killing demons for all eternity, if you remember doom 2's ending he stays there to make sure no more demons come to earth.

>>387814556
And also Doom 64's ending.

>>387814198
>slaughters his way through hell
>multiple times
>he's just brave lol

>>387814639
I never actually played doom64, I just played doom/doom2 whenever i needed my doom fix, I never enjoyed shooters on the N64.

how was it?

>>387807765
If only there was a larger version of this for wallpaper purposes. Or even a scrolling animated version for a screensaver.

>>387814893
It was okay, but i played the EX pc port.

>>387811251
>dimension similar to hell
>accessed using rituals that use Satanic symbols
>mythology of "hell" comes from their dimension
>but it's somehow not hell

This is my whole problem with fedorafags. If you showed them irrefutable proof of an omnipotent interdimensional entity made of past and meatballs, they'd tell you that "That's not *really* a flying spaghetti monster, that's just where the mythology of the flying spaghetti monster comes from. How deluded the people are who believe in the FSM. How enlightened we atheists are."

And even if that'll never happen in real life, it's fucking annoying when fundamentalist materialists even have to ruin video games by finding a "rational explanation" for fucking Doom.

It's a game where you shoot demons from Hell, it's fun the way it is, and OP should kill himself.

>>387811465
This was the official explanation in the books, actually. And I think it worked really well in the first one - an eldritch abomination that warps space and time to look like humans worst fears isn't a bad idea.

But the cauliflower aliens and general weirdness and non Doom-ness of the later books that ruins the series.

>>387815856
singles of truth

>>387808236
>>387811130
What are all the things that are exclusive to the cell phone games?

>>387815856
calm your tits, not once did I say it wasnt hell, just that it was a different dimension.
also I'm catholic you raging dickhead

>>387816059
>Turn based gameplay
>Recolored enemies
>Dogs and a dog collar
>Holy water pistol
>Some RPG stuff
>Chainsaw goblins
>Fire exntinguishers
>An axe

And maybe, some more stuff.

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>>387806983
>can defeat them
>cosmic horror
urgh, bloodbored fags are the worst

Why do they always try to move away from Demons to generic aliens?

How many Sci-fi shooters outside Doom have you fighting actual hell spawns with Magic? They should embrace it not hide it

>>387816134
I was bitching more about the person you were responding to than what you wrote; sorry that wasn't clear, which is why I said that OP should kill himself, not you.

>>387816223
>>Turn based gameplay
wat

>>387805891
I kind of figured that was obvious. I mean, really -- would the Satan of Christian lore outfit his demonic horde from the actual Christian Hell with cybernetics?

>>387811541
There aren't any locations explicitly named in-game, brainlet. The only names for the levels are in the automap, which show the game maker's intent.

Which is more likely, brainlet: that the creators of the came called them demons from Hell in the manual and named every level after demonic mythology, but actually meant they were aliens from another planet, or that they really meant demons from Hell?

>>387816464
Ah all good then.
I kinda liked the idea of hell being another dimension on top of ours that seeps evil into ours, it kinda rationalizes how some people can be so monstrously evil.

>>387816223
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/87871-wip-the-ids-rpg-series-coming-soon/
There was an attempt at pc ports, but still nothing.

>>387816618
The BFG honestly wasn't worth it. You don't get it until the end of the game and by then you've gotten so used to taking down hordes of enemies with your other weapons that it seems pointless to waste time an charge up the BFG. It was only really useful for the final boss. but in turn it took all the challenge away

>>387812745

If Mexicans came with a manual identifying them as demons and Mexico as hell, were summoned from portals using Satanic symbols, shot fireballs from their hands, and were giant lumbering beasts that crucify people on inverted crosses, then, yes, it does.

>>387814038
monsters and mazes son

old movie film about how table top rpg's turned children to devil worship

>>387816414
controversy. It was a big thing when Doom was released too.
Don't know why, if anything it's sending a positive message, after all you're killing the demons from hell, not the angels from heaven

>>387817257
It's in E3M3 at the earliest, and who the fuck would get a gun that kills everything in sight and think it's not worth using? Even when we didn't know the math, the BFG was a way cooler usage of cells than the plasma rifle.

>>387816643

He would indeed, and this is why: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool

Although Satan and Christian mythology are never mentioned in the games, so maybe it's more likely to be josher with Eastern depictions of hell.

And if Eastern demons are depicted in myths as using swords and spears way back when, why wouldn't they use modern weaponry now?

I prefer to imagine that I'm a technologically enhanced space marine fighting hordes of demos of hell

>>387817492
So I've talked to hardcore Christians about this and they explained that the demonic symbols corrupt and that the content could be tainted by evil because of the satanic imagery and depictions of demons could be corruptions from actual demons.

but the act of killing demons with a righteous fury is a good thing, just have to be careful of becoming corrupted by all that demon blood, dont get devil aids and all.

>>387817482
Oh, sounds kinky. I'll check it out.

>>387805891
I don't care what i'm shooting, as long as it's not immune to bullet's.