I'm about to play Baldur's Gate for the first time.

>>387678036
>Any general tips?

yes, don't give money to the incompetent cretins of Beamdog, pirate the original games and mod them

>>387678036
Start with BG1, not 2.

>>387678101
or he could Pirate EE...

>>387678036
Don't focus on meta gaming and have fun

Choose what class appeals to you the most, melee classes are generally easier to pick up than mages but some think they get boring

I was a fan of monk, berserker and cavalier/inquisitor

Theif was fun too I'd say it'd be best to multi class with a Fighter if you went thief but, I've also head clerics are fun

>>387678036
If it's BG1 give everyone a ranged weapon early on.
If it's BG2 just haste melee fighters and watch them slaughter everything.

>>387678168
if he wanted a subpar experience, sure

>>387678242
Enhanced edition is superior in every conceivable way, what the fuck are you talking about

Don't go full edgelord or white knight. Party members of the opposing alignment will leave if you get above a certain treshold. And having different kinds of allignments in your party leads to some fun dialogue. Just be a bit below or a bit above neutral.

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Fighter/Thief is the patrician choice

>>387678313
>you can just ignore the new cringey NPC's

you can just ignore a turd in the middle of your room if you don't smell it

as for resolution etc: modders did it, and Beamdog didn't do it better

>>387678570
you can mod them out or just play with them, they're no more """"cringey"""" than Jan or Minsc.
>as for resolution etc: modders did it, and Beamdog didn't do it better
yes they did, also, zoom out, auto-loot, far more readable inventory and stat screens, reduced xboxhueg UI, improved engine and countless bug fixes

It is objectively the best tactical choice to make your main a wizard in BG2. Your party members that are decent at casting are cancerous ass tumors of alignment bullshattery.

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>>387678313
Fuck you! They added unecessary shit characters, they fucked up the inventory and turned the classic journal into a fucking mmo window. Their quality of life changes to things like loot and spellcasting actually made some parts worse. Also why the fuck can't I change between a journal and my inventory? Why must it open up the map screen in order to show the journal? Also there are minor things such as items no longer centering on your cursor when you click them in the inventory screen. But hey, atleast the kike dogs lets you play it without spending like 20 minutes at most to play on a modern system or setting up a direct connection or lan. The fact that they don't even let you buy the original is fucking terrible.
Let's not even get into SoDS with its gameergate references or writers whom literary, literary not figuratively said that it is more important for her to write gender diverse characters than quality.

>>387678570
The enhanced edition of BG1 was only disliked at the beginning until the patched it and fixed all the problems. The vast majority of players now agree that the enhanced editions are the best way to play all the games unless you don't want the updated rule sets.

Sounds like you're just hanging onto some stupid article you read years ago without forming your own opinion of the games. Typical /v/ shitter who can't think for themselves.

>>387678101
this

get the HD mod pack (forget what its called) and its basically the same

>>387678036
if you play to play bg2 then my tip is wizard

>>387678831
>The vast majority of players now agree
>Typical /v/ shitter who can't think for themselves.

>>387678313
1.3 sure, 2.0+ not so much

>>387678817
the new inventory screen is objectively superior by every measure, i dont know what version you're playing but mine has a dedicated journal/quest log button in UI. EE offers nothing but improvements, ive played through this game more than 20 times by now and i cant imagine a reason to play vanilla aside from compatibility issues with some obscure mods

>>387678831
It got worse as it went on. I started it up last fall hoping to replay it this time without the new characters, and the UI had changed, they made really wierd decisions with how they handled their inventory programming, also I just can't get over how ugly things look now, it's really fable anniversary all over.But then again, I guess you're the kind of person who thinks (((remasters))) are a good thing. Bet Homm 3 runs a lot smoother now on Windows 10. Shame about everything else though.

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>>387678758
All of the npc wizards are incredibly powerful. Even Haer' Dalis becomes strong because his kit is amazing and the bread and butter spells are all 6 or below anyway.

It's an rpg OP, play a class that appeals to putting you being at the center of the rich world and DnD pigeonholes. Just stay away from the shapeshifter druid kit if you don't care to mod it out of accidental dumpster tier. Everything else is viable and there is a system ripe for abuse.

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>>387678101
The enhanced editions are fine you fucking goof. Especially for a first time player.

>>387679024
the keyword here being "players". you know, unlike armchair critics who heard a vague rumor of SJW infestation and now hate them with passion. the truth is beamdog did wonders to the game engine and really mastered the modding of infinity engine, if only they found competent writers they could make another ismoetric masterpiece.

>>387679024
Yes, players, i.e. people who have actually played the Enhanced Editions vs /v/ shitters who read an article years ago and keep repeating the same shit over and over.

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>>387678487
>23 bottles of cum at the ready for quick sippies while adventuring

>>387679281
>>387679329
hmm

>>387679242
HAHA YEAH OP JSUT PICK GNOME TOTEMIC DRUID LMAO JIUST ROLL WITH IT AND ENJOY DUDE

>>387678817
>They added unecessary shit characters

As opposed to the "necessary" shit characters that are already in the game?

>>387679754
the shit characters in the game dont stand out like a sore thumb though, i cant walk through the bridge district without lol so randumb mage teleporting in and having a whole cutscene play out. its like theyre saying LOOK, HERE'S YOUR ADDITIONAL CONTENT YOU PAID 40 DOLLARS FOR, MAKE SURE YOU DONT MISS IT while vanilla characters kind a just hang around

>>387679438
HAHA JUST DUAL CLASS RANGER/CLERIC AND MAKE A MULTIPLAYER SESSION WITH A KENSAI/WIZARD

>>387678036
If you end up playing the EE versions (I don't see why you would) make sure to get the fixpack and the tweakpack that reverts the majority the EE changes back to the original.

>>387678487
It is but

>celestial fury +5

What else do you need?

https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/a_conservative_modders_gui/page1

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>>387679889
dont talk shit about ranger/cleric

It's hilarious that Beamdog demanded that GOG took down the individual original games. They obviously didn't want to compete with the originals but the Beamdog versions can't even break the top 50.

Also:
>begging for good reviews

>>387680094
Bear in mind that guide assumes you use the original BG1 and not the EE version.

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>>387680102
>Make a ranger with the archer kit to breeze through BG1 for shits and giggles
>Pick kobolds as racial enemy because I'm going to stuff my dick up the Nashkel mine
>Enjoy it so much I press on in to Dragonspear
>Still having fun and planning on going in to BG2 even though now I regret playing an archer and picking kobold
It doesn't really matter that much, just kind of surprised me that replaying BG1 on a whim to check for rose tinted glasses ended up turning into a full replay. Ranger's especially irritating since they can fall like a paladin and I like playing an asshole in BG and having an evil party a hell of a lot more than playing good.

>6 shitty portraits
>$2

Coming from beamdog it's not even a surprise

>>387678831
It took a year for them to fix the majority of the bugs. If you are willing to pay for an unfinished buggy game for a year to be playable while shitposting about "they will patch it!!!" then be my guest.

>>387680668
But the games are fixed now. You might have had a point before they were fixed, but now you don't.

>>387680324
Good thing the evil party is really strong in 2. Viconia, Edwin and Korgan can definitely carry an archer that is still very capable of killing spellcasters with dispelling and biting arrow combos.

>>387680320
That's the point.

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What is it that makes him the objectiely best boss?

>>387680807
He is so cool

>>387680807
>lay down some traps
>summon some elementals and skeletons
>buff

wow sure is a good fight

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>>387680807
Killing dragons in a game with dragons in the name is always the best.

>>387680895
>there are filthy plebs ITT who don't play the game is God meant it, with Tactics and SCSII

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>>387680918
>this part on the highest difficulty

>>387680970
But then you just cheese the fights in other ways.

>Saemon Havarian isn't a late game companion option
>Valen isn't the vampire companion
>Soulafein has a nothing but a poorly written mod
>Mae'var isn't a companion that gives another thief npc choice and more shadow thief story
>There isn't a way to save Montaron and Xzar
>Beamdog made original characters instead

>>387680996
I definitely wouldn't know since I only play on core rules. Fudging shit beyond that would get my dander up, but that fight was kind of a pain in the ass anyway.

Though I did toggle the max HP rolls option because that's some fudge I'll eat.

>>387681090
Montaron and Xzar are evil, and we all know how much Bioware hates evil characters.

>>387681061
at least he doesnt just stand there while you're laying traps and buffing up like cattle for slaughter. tactics firkraag aint nothing to fuck with

>>387680970
Mind telling me how tactics is? Stratagems always hit a sweet spot for me in difficulty, especially in the BG1 portion of the game. In The readme of SCS, any components that used pieces or took inspiration from tactics seemed too extreme, almost as if I have to have meta knowledge of ALL encounters at all times and must be prepared to prebuff for those encounters.

>>387681161
Edwin, Viconia and Korgan are some of the strongest npcs in the game. This was long ago anon, before that name came to mean disappointment.

>>387680996
>There will never again be a free mod for a game by one of the designers released because he thought the ending to his game wasn't hard enough

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>>387681120
>Though I did toggle the max HP rolls option because that's some fudge I'll eat.

>>387681227
Tactics put overpowered battles in everywhere like liches and high-leveled parties. I wouldn't recommend it.

>>387681304
How strong they are doesn't mean anything when they all get fucked over at the end because "evil never prospers xD"

>>387680807
that's not saladrex

>>387678036
you want the 1.3 versions of ee

>>387681227
depends on the component, i wouldnt reccomend improved city/dungeon encounters, improved trolls, improved sanhuagin...generally the components that buff up average mobs. improved bosses however make things much more interesting. maevar is a very formidable foe, firkraag battle resembles what an actual meeting with an ancient red dragon would look like, kangaax is just ridiculous and final battle with irenucs...you will get your ass handed back to you. i like how it punishes cheese, too. for example upon acquiring celestial fury you will be approached by a katana collector who is babby's first powergaming build kensai/mage and you either give up your weapon or fight this piece of shit. it also adds a cool new map/quest the ritual, very challenging and unique. better stay away from improved Illyich...this is just too much over the top, ive only went through it once...never again.

>>387680725
>But the games are fixed now.

I wish.

>>387681227
>Stratagems

Is it normal to scs to take... like hours to install?

>>387681647
yes

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Ok I've decided to be an evil edgelord, is this a good class?

>>387681743
Yes.

>>387681743
This fucking font.
God damnit how can you fuck up so hard?

>>387681743
it you want an edgy portrait for that class you search for a neverwinter one

>>387681591
>improved illych
>apparently summons a fucking planetar or some shit
>in a dungeon that's only fun your first time through and vets would much rather skip with mods

Much respect for even going through it, I think I'll take your advice and try out only some of the components. The new content though is what really sounds fun to me though so thanks for the heads up.

>>387681647
Yeah but it makes the game so much more consistent and interesting that I can never go back to playing without it. And don't even get me started on that rad as shit "ease of use" AI script.

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>>387681781
how's this look? is intelligence important?

>>387681857
they ruined the rustic feel of the old character creation screen, thats for sure

>>387681949
jesus nigga, just roll again till you get 90or something

>>387681949
Just strength, dex and constitution are important for warrior classes.

>>387681949
not really important in BG1 but for BG2 it's useful to have at least 11.

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>>387681946
if you want to play through it whole make sure you're overleveled as fuck by the end...or better yet use a custom party. irenicus in hell is just silly

>>387682208
is that when he cast improved invisibility and protection against abjuration and you just get fucked?

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alright, here i go fellas

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what the fuck?

>>387681743
Good in 1, shit in 2. All single class options are shit in 2.

>>387682421
legacy of bhaal?

>>387682432
>What is Sorcerer

>>387682432
blackguard is a kit, nigga

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>you can't kill edwin and take his necklace
how is this not a mod yet? only so much room for another mage in a evil party. especially since you will probably have jan, imoen or both. that fuck doesn't deserve it either.

>>387682510
>not edwina romance

THAT's the real tragedy

>>387682479
A shitty wizard.

>>387680970
Still piss easy.

>>387682432

Not true at all.

Retarded power gaming shit like Kensai/Mage R/C or F/M/T suck all the fun out of the game because you spend all of your time up until ToB stuck in an XP black hole.

Just play a Blade instead. At least it's fun that way.

>>387682639
once you dual to wizard just steal every scroll and athkatla and learn every spell for ez exp. it'll powerlevel you to 8 easily. r/c is powerful at every stage of the game.

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>not playing as your waifu
>not dual classing x/mage

Why even Baldurs Gate?

>>387682639
Kensai/Mage hasn't been relevant for years. You have more than enough XP for everything good in SoA, and you aren't gimped in ToB. Multi-class>Dual-class>Single-class.

>not playing a bard

What's the verdict on monk? How can it not be shit?

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>>387682567
>any romance mod ever
I see what you mean. The comedic potential is there assuming it could be harnessed by the right autist.

>>387682639
I really enjoyed goin as fighter/mage, my magic was extremely useful the whole game

actually me and haer'dalis were the only arcane magic i had, i ran with Anomen Mazzy Korgan HaerDalis and Wilson

haerdalis is a lot better as a mage then i expected, by leveling very fast as bard he rapidly adds his class level to the spell damage on stuff like skull trap so he actually is quite effective that way

Imoen
romance
mod

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>>387682751
>>387682836

I never figured out how to backstab

>>387682836
I got a hardon. Just imagine fucking him in his female form and shutting his face with your dick.

>>387682579
The only caster who can compete sorcerer in terms of sheer firepower is savescumming wild mage, otherwise they completely BTFO any other caster if you actually take good picks.

>>387680203
what really?

wtf there's no way to buy legally the original version?

>>387682941
Hide in shadows, position your character right at the back of the enemy and attack, if it hits, you will deal multiplied damage depending on your thief level.

>>387682971
>it's a "magic is all about damage" episode

You're retarded. The best spells in these games are buffs and crowd control.

>>387683023
But is this fun?

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>>387682941
1) Be invisible.
2) Be behind a dude.
3) Attack.

>>387683023
There's no reason not to get a second mage for utility. Imoen or Aerie can do this just fine, letting you focus on direct damage. Sorcerer is plain superior than any other caster for annihilating stuff.

>>387682987
Nope! Before you could get both BG1+2 for the price of a single EE version. At least non of the beamdog games do particularly well on GOG.

>>387682987
No. If you want the original buy the EE from GoG.

Classic Beamdog.

>>387678570
I consider Minsc to be a fucking meme and worse than the new characters. Do I hate the game just because Minsc is in it? No.

>>387678036
Just get EE and install the tweak pack from the Gibberlings if you want.

>>387678036
be a wild mage

>>387683039
More fun than throwing around shitty pure damage spells.

>>387683103
More buffs and CC are always going to be better than wasting spell slots on useless shit.

>>387683154
>le savescum class
no

>>387683023
bitch you get enough slots to have all the useful spells in the game, the situational ones you can read from scrolls

>>387683103
Physical damage is far more effective in BG2 than magic damage.

I think the most effective party so far is Inquisitor, 2x Kensai/mages and an archer.

>>387678179
Monk is sure as fuck not an easy class to pick up in BG1

>>387683167
>More buffs and CC
good thing you aren't locked of any of those by going with sorcerer on top of being able to horrid wilting anything looking at you funny

>>387683167
>throw fireball
At least something happens
>buff a fighter
???

>>387678487
Anything is good if you cheat.

>celestial fury +5

>>387683176
>savescum
you cant live with the consequences of wild magic? faggot

>>387683276
You can't live with the consequences of turning into stone.

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>there might be people IN THIS VERY THREAD who left Imoen in Spellhold

>>387683276
>summon familiar surges in a middle of Athkatla and opens a Gate
live with this faggote

>>387683271
It's from Item Upgrade mod by Weimer. The items are interesting and balanced and the components arent exactly something you just stumble upon.

>>387683196
That's true but it does you literally no good against a mage whose immune to all physical damage, you gotta have some way to strip protection

I really want to enjoy cleric/mage but the leveling speed is just fucking atrocious. I won't be getting HLA before TOB even with exp uncapper, don't i?

>>387683326
there was a faggot in beamdog forum (where else...) posting about Imoen being annoying and asking for mods to kill her in every fucking thread. Fucking site, I can still smell the putrid scent.

>>387681949
You want at least 10-11 int for BG2. Don't want to spoil why

>>387683478
Illithids?

>>387683418
That's where your inquisitor/kensai-mage steps in.

>>387682421
not sure if you still here but pick core rules as difficulty and for christ sake deactive those fucking health bars

>>387683518
Yes

>>387678036
> play mage
> get second mage or multiclass with mage in your team
Two mages are a must for later parts of BG1 & especially Shadow of Amn.
I love Warriors in vidya, but they suck until Throne of Bhaal where they finally get good equipment & Whirlwind Attack.

>>387683534
What are you talking about? You need 3 different indicators for your health, you know that, right?

>>387683237
Wizards are still superior. There's no reason to touch Sorcerer in a game where spell scrolls are plentiful.

>>387683613
Unless you want Wish before BG2 as a mage. Since Wish scroll doesn't exist before that.

>>387683613
wizards are jack of all trades who will never compete with sorcerers in sheer casting potential and you can get all essentials on sorcerer anyway
the only way to make wizards superior is by dual/multiclassing them with something, but comparing pure wizards to pure sorcerers is plain unfair

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You descent into the swers, and even deeper into long forgotten acient tunnels. There, you discover an ages old tomb that reeks of eldrich evil. An old man who tore out his own eyes tells you to stay the fuck away from this place. You approach the sarcophagus and a lich from shadow realm teleports in trying to prevent you from reaching the coffin he guards. You defeat the lich and get to the sarcophagus. There, a talking skull with gems for eyes explains that it's been wrongfully imprisoned and bids you to help it retrieve rest of its body.
1) Nope the fuck out of his place
2) Yeah, sure, I'll help you. Seems reasonable.

>>387678036
Since the game ends when the main character dies, you might want to have lots of CONstitution, if not getting a resilient class... The most effective at surviving are probably the Half-Orc Barbarian or a Berserker (maybe dual-classed into Cleric at the right levels if you're into learning the subtleties of the char growth system).

Also, mages start shitty and then grow powerful at about lv. 12 or so

Also, Minsc is a Ranger but he has some abilities and stats that really makes him a Berserker or something like that.

Also, I find Bards to be completely and utter shit, but they can be fun knowing that.

Oh, and if you don't give a shit about alignment (since in the game there are no limits based on that except for class restrictions, I mean you can do every evil decision while Lawful Good) you should be Lawful Good or Neutral Good if you're a warrior class (the game gives you starting abilities based on alignment). If not, choose your favourite.

>>387683326
You can do that?

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>>387683104
>>387683129

Fuck'em, i'll whip out my physical edition and fight with windows

>>387683974
I would pay money for the big box release of the BG games.

>>387683864
Do not listen to this guy, he doesnt know what he's talking about. FIrst of all pick a half-elf, its te most balanced combination of human and elf. A good starting class is Druid's Avanger kit, a druid is already powerful and you get magic spells on top of that! They cannot wear heavy armor but that's ok since you dont want to get hit anyway. STR and CON are redundant since you will be a spellcaster, make sure you put your stats in Intelligence and Charisma to expand your dialogue options. Put your weapon perks into single weapon specialization and spear, very powerful combination.

What's the best of all these old wrpgs (BG, PT, Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc) for someone who has only played DA:O and Witcher 1?

>>387683753
You won't be getting 9th level spells without mods anyway.

>>387683767
Wizards are inherently superior. This isn't up for debate. There's no benefit to playing as a Sorcerer over Wizard.

fun game with a friend

>>387681420
You know that the only ending that gets Viconia fucked over isbthe good one, right?
Korgan's ending is to lead a crusade to remove elf, then fuck off and watch the fireworks.

Edwin is the only one that gets fucked over, And that's because he's a colossal arrogant moron, as are you if you didn't pick up on that during the game

>>387684295
>Wizards are inherently superior
glad to see your complete lack of arguments

>>387684295
>wizards
No. Scrolls and wands are plentiful enough that you never need to scribe scrolls. A sorcerer gets to select the actual useful spells and can cast them more often than a wizard.

>>387684437
Wizards have more spell slots and better saving throws.

>>387684458
>an cast them more often than a wizard.

Nope. Wizards get an extra spell slot per level. Sorcerers suck.

>>387684295
fuck off retard
>no risk of spell learnign failure
>access to all spells in the game (even rare/random ones like spell trigger)
>no need to max out int
>can still use scrolls
>can easily have all the useful spells of every level

>>387684505
And they're STILL shit compared to Wizards because they have fewer spell slots and lower saves. Funny how that works out.

>>387684498
>Wizards have more spell slots
and sorcerers have way more casts for any essential spell
they are also able to grab any essential
what now, faggot

>>387682932
Chink Alex Jones on the right

>>387683885
Yeah I did it, the conversations like
>im sorry theres just no room in the groups composition
if you do she just say's she'll try to sneak out behind you or something

>>387684621
Irrelevant because you can rest after every encounter, and Sorcerers still have lower saves.

Sorcerers are cuck Wizards that are too stupid to learn magic, just like the players that prefer them.

>>387684618
>>387684746
Wizards and sorcerers share the same saving throw table.

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>>387684804
Doesn't matter.

>>387684746
>Irrelevant because you can rest after every encounter,
good thing sorcerer can cast a whole shitload more spells inside a single encounter, especially high-level ones, absolutely blowing the fuck wizards in that aspects
there's absolutely no reason to pick wizard over sorcerer as a single-class caster, they are plain superior in every single way

>>387683776
>defying a quest giver or trying to resolve the quest differently results in instant death no matter how strong you are or how many said liches you skull fucked
They loved putting this shit into their games, Bioware was showing signs even back then.

>>387684931
Wild mages are plain superior to both with their unlimited spells.

I want to play custom 3 characters party for faster levels...What would be a good trio class-wise?

>>387682836
11 is the right answer

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>>387684903
>can't use Greater Malison
>calls other cucks

>>387683051
i dont know why this made me laugh so hard

>>387684972
they also require a stupid amount of save scumming making the game absolutely unbearably boring because each of your casts can potentially gate you or turn you to stone

>>387684990
Inquisitor - no explanation needed
Kensai(13)/mage - for all your (limited) mage needs
Archer - incredible powerful early/mid-game and helps tremendously during your kensai's downtime.

>>387684931
You're retarded if you create single-class characters, and the best spell caster in the game is, surprise, a wizard.

>>387685021
That's for the idiots that think "duh big damage spells are so good!" when Invocation is a trash school.

>>387685137
>and the best spell caster in the game is, surprise, a wizard.
no matter how much you repeat this mantra with zero arguments, you were blown the fuck out by multiple posters already

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>>387685225
I'm the only one that's provided screenshots to support my argument. All you're doing is crying like the bitch cuck you are.

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>>387685137
>Greater Malison
>big damage spell
Do you have legit brain damage?

>>387685137
>and the best spell caster in the game is, surprise, a wizard.
He literally cheats by having a special amulet.

>>387685260
I hope you aren't referring to those saving throws

>>387685228
hahaha magecucks BTFO

>>387685285
I'll spell it out for you slowly.

This whole argument started because some retarded cucks think damage spells are good. They aren't. Buffs and crowd control stuff is.

Invocation is literally the damage spell school. It sucks fucking dick compared to everything else.

Greater Malison is great, but these cucks would rather use their slots on shit like Ice Storm.

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>>387685076
>loading a save everytime something bad happens
>not casting protection from evil
>not using a stone to flesh scroll
>not just running

power comes at a price.

>>387678036
Bard > Blade put a proficiency point in scimitars and short swords and be sure to have 3 stars in two weapon fighting. Equip belm in your main hand, kundane in your offhand and keep a higher enhancement weapon in your inventory for golems and shit. Also buy the scarlet ninjato before going to suldasennar, you'll be able to equip it later on.
You can easily become unhiteable with defensive spin and/or mirror image and stoneskins, you'll have less spell slots than a full caster but since bards level up super fast your spells will hit harder (skull trap becomes crazy good after a while) and your damage won't be that bad.
Fighter/Mage can be better but Blades are a lot easier to play

>>387685447
>Buffs and crowd control stuff is.
And sorcerer can afford way larger firepower especially when it comes to crowd control, debuffs, time stops, you know, the essential stuff. And that's without sacrificing direct damage as horrid wilting takes only one slot out of 5 and is ready to cast at any moment. Your point?

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>>387685228
Wew lad.

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What spells do you guys use once you reach TOB? Everyone talks about how casters are crazy in BG2 but once you reach ToB everyone seems to have insane saves, or outright immunity to disables, so I don't see the point of mages save for taking down enemy mages protections, summoning meatshields and defensive spells if I'm rolling a gish

>>387685771
literally just put horrid wilting in every slot my nigga

>>387685771
Don't take down mage protections. Just use a rod of cloudkill. No mage spell can protect against it. Mages are potentially overpowered, but really not worth the time and rest-spamming needed.

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>>387684160

>>387685847
Maybe that's what keeps me from enjoying mages, recasting spells after resting is always a chore

>>387685828
I totally forgot about that one but I was mostly looking for disables/debuffs since otherwise I run out of spells every couple fights. I usually leave damage to my front liners and just cast a spell or 2 at the start of the combat to soften them up

>>387685704
Sorcerers can't multi or dual class. That means they're gimped by the time you gain access to things like Time Stop.

>>387685771
1. Magic missile/Chrmatic orb, always usefull, super useful if you put a couple in sequencers
2. Blur, mirror image
3. Dispell/remove magic, haste, skulltrap is the highest damaging spell in the game
4. fire/cold shield, impr invis, globe of invulerability, greater malision
5. breach, lower resistence, skellingtons
6. contingency, true seeing, prot from magical weapons
7. mothafucking mordekainen's swords, sequencer, ruby ray,
8. simulacrum, horrid wilting, bigbys hand
9 TIME STOP ALACRITY THEN CAST ALL THE SPELLS I JUST MENTIONED AT ONCE

>>387686121
Good thing we're talking about single-class builds.

>>387686142
>Chromatic Orb and Magic Missile instead of Sleep
>wasting Sequencers on shitty damage spells
>useless shit like Blur instead of Web

How fucking bad can you be?

>>387686225
No we're not. If you have to ignore a major and powerful gameplay mechanic to insist something is good, it isn't good. It's shit.

>>387686142
This game makes me miss NWN's Isaac's Missile Storms. That was the fucking PERFECT offensive spell.

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>>387686354
>Sleep in ToB
>Web in ToB
>calls me bad

>>387686449
Web works just fine on Fire Giants.

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i never used magic for damage much but i found it extremely helpful in a few specific fights, the silver dragon or whatever her name was algernon or something, she kept blowin my mostly melee party all over so i i eventually took her down with magic, i was really impressed with skull traps damage ouput once you manage to strip enough spell resistance

>>387686354
>No we're not
Yes, we are. Re-read the comment chain. The only thing wizards have going on for them is ability to multi/dual-class, as pure casters they are getting BTFO by sorcerers.

>>387686525
you know what works even better? tripple horrid wilting

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>>387686354
>a fucking Sleep in ToB

>>387686616
>the only thing wizards have going for them is being better

Wow, you don't say?

My initial claim is that all single class characters are shit. This remains true. The fact that Sorcerers can't take advantage of the most powerful stuff in the game means they're worse than Wizards. Simple as that.

>>387678101
Nah, they are fine.
And they added some aditional content.

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>>387686354
>sleep
>in 2
>let alone ToB

>>387686576
Your bear fucking died, restart.

>>387686675
>>387686717
It's about as laughable as using Magic Missile.

>>387686741
I did

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>Cast web
>Cast summon spiderspawn
>Use kittix statue
>polymorph self: sword spider
>run in with my spider bros

>>387682716
Or just play the game normally, you don't need to follow some powergaming guide to beat Baldur's Gate 2.

>>387686747
??? magic missile is viable source of damage at all points in the game. great for interrupting actions as well

>>387686685
>spent at least an hour getting his shitter shattered over how wizards are better as casters, gets absolutely blown the fuck out
you don't say

>>387686895
>5d4+5
>viable source of damage

Good one.

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>>387686747
You really have a brain damage.

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>>387687019
did i fucking stutter?

>>387687297
>10-25 damage, average 17

In a game where a decent melee fighter is doing at least 20 damage per attack and has multiple attacks per turn, it's complete fucking garbage.

>>387686747
>>387687019
>>387687560
MM has no save so long as it bypasses resistance.
Anything with good saving rolls can be tarpitted and wiped out with ease, so long as you throw in a few lower resistance spells where needed.

>>387687704
Spellcasters have better things to do than cast garbage like Magic Missile. It's a complete waste of their turn.

>>387687917
>he talks about turns when timestop and improved alacrity exists

>>387687917
Depends.
If it's just something that won't die, throwing spells that will do jack shit isn't going to help, summoning something else that can't hit it won't help, and Clerics/Druids can buff better than mages.
That's ignoring the ways that mages have to drastically improve their speed

>>387687998
>he actually wastes 9th and 10th level spells to deal shit damage instead of just buffing a fighter

You're legitimately retarded.

>>387688045
>Clerics/Druids can buff better than mages

Improved Haste is better than all their buffing spells combined.

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jelly?

>>387688141
>improved haste
>now they can not hit it even faster!
Good job wasting a spell.

>>387688214
Improved Haste literally doubles any weapon user's damage output. It's the best non-self targeting buff in the game.

>>387688318
Or you could just cast MM a few times and save the spell for an enemy that will have that damage output be useful on.
Are you being deliberately dense?
Don't answer, we all know it's yes

>BG1 werewolves on the hardest difficulty
>cant hurt them with any weapon except for 2 silver weapons
>1 silver weapon is inside of their hideout in a chest guarded by 20 werewolves
Pretty much one of the hardest fights.

>>387688410
You know what, if you're that desperate to have the last word in, I'll be the better man and just give it to you.

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>>387688583
forgot file

>every haste ages non-elves by one year

>>387684284
i'd say go for BG, PT has WAY too much reading and not enough playing, fallout has not aged as well BG and PT and the combat is really slow compared to the other two

>>387688653
>>387688653
>>cant hurt them with any weapon except for 2 silver weapons
If I am not mistaken, any enchanted weapon works however only +3 works on wolfweres. Arrows work on everything for sure, maybe only elemental ones though. Also, you can get one anti-werewolf weapon from a merchant guy in Cloakwood actually in Baldur's Gate as a quest reward.
Werewolf island was surprisingly easy for me.

Anyone ever played jester? How do they fare?

>"""""""""""""""enhanced""""""""""""""""""editions""""""""""""""""""''''''

>>387686354
oh my god you abuse rest and reload after characters dying don't you