Can I be 100% real? Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 fucking suck. HOWEVER

I'm starting Dragon Quest with VIII, using the uncensor and orchestral music patch on 3DS, is that a good starting point?
Wanted to start with IV but i can't emulate DS for shit here

>>387635986
Wrong thread

>>387635986
The best starting point for Dragon Quest is to play a different game

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>>387635986
>>387636117
What the fuck? Get the fuck out!

>>387636117
What is wrong with Dragon Quest? They seem to be pretty basic and straight to the point JRPGs, which is kinda what i'm looking for right now

MODS

Adventure 1 is only hated so much because other games like Ocarina and Mario 64 have aged way better

Adventure 1 feels like they had Sonic done and then they thought that the game wasn't long enough so they made all these other weird unpolished gameplay styles to fill that space. Some of it is good, but in general most of it feels pointless

Its still the best 3D Sonic game if we are just considering the sonic levels though

Adventure 2 is an overrated peace of shit that somehow does everything worse than adventure 1 gameplay wise. Sure its alot more stable, the story is way better, and the music is just as good, but I just think it fucks up things that the first one didn't
>sonics level design is more focused on speed and homing attack chains rather than actual platforming. Some people might like that, but I just find it less fun. Homing attack is also not nearly as fun or useful
>knuckles levels are now far too open, especcially in the second half of the game. The fact that only 1 emerald is on the radar at a time is the worst part, because Adventure 1 was smart enough not to do that.
>tails is SO. FUCKING. SLOW. I actually liked Gamma's gameplay because it was reasonably fast and felt fun to play. But the mech levels in 2 just feel so fucking boring. Its just alot of basic platforming and shooting enemies, and it plays NOTHING like a sonic game at all.

Its like they took the main 3 aspects of Sonic, Speed, Exploration, and Platforming, and rather than design one gameplay style around it they just split it into three different gameplay styles for no reason.

>>387636702
>homing attack
meant spindash

Its really a shame that Sonic Adventure was the fucking peak of the 3D games as a whole. The boost games don't count, merely because they are racing games and have little to no platforming.

>>387635807
>they suck
>but here's all these positives
sasuga

>>387637098
Lets be honest, as a whole these games DO suck. But there are little gems scattered here and there that make them memorable.

>>387635986
Every Dragon Quest that isn't 2, 6 or 9 is a good starting point. They all offer different variations and setups on the core design while getting more grandiose as the series goes on. Going back isn't a regression so much as a simplification, so you can start wherever you like.

>>387635807
>-nothing to do in the hubworld
>-no hubworld
'kay

>>387635807
>dem teef
He looks like he belongs in Hard Time, fucking hell.

>>387637310
1. Yes, besides mission mode they barely did anything with the beautiful hubworld and it was a dissapointment because I wanted to see more, but felt cheated.

2. Instead of fucking improving on the hubworld they remove it

Sonic 3d transition also made it lose its speed which was the main selling point over NES and SNES Mario games.

Mania is the best thing that has happened to this franchise since SA1 emerald coast.

>>387638104
Sonic always felt slower in 2D to me, and mario was actually always fast, mainly because mario didn't have too many retarded obstacles that made you backtrack through the stage.

>>387638284
or because the stages were flat

>>387635807
>+Perfect transition into 3D
until you get to high speeds and the controls become super fucking twitchy
they just need to make sonic control like adventure at low speed and boostshit at high speeds