Is there any game that can surpass Vampire Bloodlines in terms

I can only really remember the big titted split personality lady

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>>387622114
I don't think so.

>>387622114

I can't remember any of the characters really...

>>387622254

Oh yeah! Titty teeth!

Deus Ex, obviously.

>>387622390
As meme-worthy as it may be at times, the poor voice acting seriously hamstrings it.

>>387622573

The shitty voice acting is what makes it incredibly memorable. It doesn't hamstring it at all.

>>387622114
TTYD

>>387622573
Deus Ex unironically has great acting
I enjoy listening to it more than any generic AAA game

>>387622114
>memorable characters
what's the criteria for this? character quotes, character backstory, voice acting? if that's the case every game has memorable characters. is it characters that people like to remember?

>>387622114
>This guy actually breaks character and starts shit talking you if you use the bug in the character creator to have impossible stats.
I thought that was pretty neat.

>>387622390
DX characters are just infodumps for various data and/or conspiracy theories

>go for a drink
>bartender starts his non sequitur rant about european borders

etc etc

>>387622114
MGS easily

>>387623930
that happens once.

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>>387622573
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

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Yes.
I'd also argue TW games, TW2 having probably the best cast.

That said, VtM:B's characters were pretty awesome.

>>387624146
And the nsf leader in statue of liberty
JC Denton himself has less personality than MGS 2 Raiden (who was made to be a blank slate)
And Tracer Tong

The only characters in DX I can remember are Paul Denton and Maggie Chow

Okay and Gunther and Flatlander Woman

So 4 total

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alright where do I complain about this shit because I never hit the report button

>>387624540
You most likely have a dynamic IP. Just ignore it.

Or if youre a filthy phoneposter, neck yourself.

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>>387622114
This game didn't age well, love the SFMs tho

>>387625876
>boob physics
>hair physics
>cloth physics
>great textures
>great models and facial animations
>good gameplay that is like all fp games
>even 3rd person gameplay (not as nice as fp)
Sure brah i didnt even beat the game but i can see the love put into this game fag.

>>387622114
Pathologic. Nothing beats the characters in that.

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>>387625876
>This game didn't age well,

Too bad you're wrong, fucko.

Diablo 2 and I'm not kidding
No More Heroes
Third Strike

>>387626579
>Those horrible textures with not depth of field

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>>387624435
>>387626494
My actors!

Does unofficial patch nerf Dementation? I vaguely remember it having way better level 3 and 5 skills.

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>>387624435
>mfw unexpectantly finding her ghost at the top of the Cathedral just before making my final decision

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>>387628062
Yeah. It's not a funny chat you can have with her. I hope you were smart enough not to mention Maria in front of her...
She is actually kind of a bitch, but I was too lazy to scroll down for a different image. But After the "lets run away together quest I had issues feeling sympathy for her.
The brothers, I could understand but her just fucking drugging herself and falling asleep really kinda pissed me off.

>>387628470
>that arm clipping

vampirefags don't even bother to pretend their game is not a buggy piece of shit mess

>>387628813
Your point?

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>>387628394
Well she just can't take it. She is just too precious for this world.

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>>387628813
>vampirefags don't even bother to pretend their game is not a buggy piece of shit mess

Now imagine how great the game must be when people still love it despite it being a buggy piece of shit mess.

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>>387622114
It's just a bunch of waifu shit.

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>>387629457

>>387628813
Yeah, you're like, 12 years late with this observation.

>>387628394
I was really hoping for an early end screen from that quest. Like maybe our breach of the quarantine would have carried the plague across the country.

Are you the guy who told me to play through Pathologic after I said it was my favourite game but that I had never finished it?I did finish it.With cheats.

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>>387629578

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>>387622114

Neverwinter Nights : Mask of the Betrayer

>>387629373
>>387629457
>>387629578
sweetfx?

I want to FUCK Azula!

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>>387629710
Reshade

SMAC has memorable characters. Even the random ones referenced in the 'Datalinks' like T.M. Morgan Reilly are still relatively known due to the accompanying quotes, and they all have well defined roles in the story, whether it's Miriam's reasoning for restraint in the face of technological advancement, Zakharov's musing on Man's role in relation to the Universe, or even Nwabudike Morgan's South Park-tized self telling Lal to get off his land.

Pic related always stood out the most to me, though. I have yet to find a game that even comes close to the intellectual depth and characterization SMAC had. Of course, your mileage might vary.

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>>387630064

Here is the pic I was referencing. Guess it didn't come through with initial post.

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>>387629249
She is selfish as fuck. Her suicide was driven by mixture of jealousy and completely misguided desire for martyrdom. It's actually an IPL staple character.

>>387629660
>I was really hoping for an early end screen from that quest.
So did I, but honestly, I like the way it panned out a lot. It's such a slap in the face to the player. A lesson on just how much he is not a master of his own destiny.

It very well may have been me, I seem to recall something like that. As for cheats... well, I never finished The Void cheat-free, so I can't really hold it against you.
But I'm wondering what gave you so much trouble about it... Was it just that it's getting increasingly tedious, or did you legitimately find the game too hard, or too stressful/depressing to push through? Not judging, just curious.

>>387628813
"buggy piece of shit mess" was pretty much Troika's unofficial motto. PC fanboys don't pretend, instead they spend 10+ years fixing shit.

>>387622573
Fuck off, it's one of the games charms

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>>387622114
What's a fun, non-standard way to play vtmb? I've played a shooty Ventrue guy and a melee, celerity Brujah guy. Nosferatu and Malkavian didn't really do anything for me.

>>387623831
He also breaks character if you attack him

>>387630442
Just too tedious. I can't stand spending ages walking slowly somewhere and then realise I'm supposed to be somewhere else. Since I tried a few times before I just decided to bomb it over a couple of days.

who here /toreador/
hands down best clan

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>>387622114
This game is painfully overated.

>Combat is horse shit
>Writing is good
>While facial animations are good they still are bugged
>Quests are hit or miss

It's a solid 7/10 but nothing exeptional

>>387630581
that's sad to hear

even sadder than the unpaid 4chan janitors, at least their job is easy

>>387624540
Can you read?
>Replying to a thread stating that you've [...] "saged" it

>>387631141
don't forget about

>the leveling system

persuasion skills become useless after the first couple of chapters, then it becomes a full blown action game with shitty melee combat and awful selection of guns

>>387630768
Tremere have blood magic, but other than that you've pretty much done everything

>>387630442
>It very well may have been me, I seem to recall something like that
>tfw keep thinking that Patho is getting more popular but I'm actually just talking to the same person each time

>>387631307
>persuasion skills become useless after the first couple of chapters, then it becomes a full blown action game with shitty melee combat and awful selection of guns
>game straight up tells you in the tutorial that you cant talk your way out of all fights
>tells you to invest in combat skills
y can't i talk down the enemies in the final areas!?!? dis games shit!

>>387631249
Can YOU read?

Anon was randomly assigned a banned IP and wants to know how to fix it.

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>>387623804
It's - as the name implies - characters you remember. Retard.

>>387631854
Where is that implied? Because he said he never hit the report button, not that the post wasn't his.

>>387631817
>y can't i talk down the enemies in the final areas!?!? dis games shit!

Mass Effect 1 did it and I see no one complaining.

Talking, persuasion and logic > muh shooting epic hero game

>>387622114
Half of those characters are lifted straight from the VtM books. Or maybe not half of them, but Beckett is one, and Jack is too, I think.

>>387631760
not the same anon here. I got this game recently and it seems really interesting but also very chunky and somewhat tedious? I don't know I feel really lost and the characters don't really feel compelling and more like infodumps(especially minor npcs). maybe it's because I only just started but the story and the world haven't been presented to be convincing (not "real", convincing) enough for me to want to keep going. should I keep at it? am I doing something wrong?

>>387632071
>Mass Effect 1 did it and I see no one complaining.
No one complained about the lack of shooting since the gunplay in ME 1 is complete dogshit.
Not like the RPG mechanics are any better, but only plebs actually like ME and think it's deep.

>>387632469
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thinks ME1 is mediocre.
Now that the animation problems are fixed, Andromeda is unironically the best in the series, which isn't saying much

>>387632294
The first day is done pretty badly mate. Starts off being smart by having you be a detective as a way of introducing you to the world but ends up being a massive expository dump. Things get way better in day 2 and continue getting better until the end. The characters feel incredibly human as you progress.
As for the gameplay itself, I can't really help you with getting its clunk and tedium since I just fucking cheated.

>>387624435
Hey, I beat the Bachelor's storyline a few days ago!
I think I'm too stupid to get it

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>>387632294
>I got this game recently and it seems really interesting but also very chunky and somewhat tedious?
It is very, very tedious, slow and frustrating. There is no sugarcoating about that. The game presents an amazing narrative, and amazing way to make player role in the narrative meaningful: but it's not, at almost any moment, fun. You either will get invested in the world enough that the slow pacing and times walking will seem like a minor inconvenience, or you'll very much hate it.

>I don't know I feel really lost and the characters don't really feel compelling
This is hard for me to understand since I fell in love with the settings almost immediately, but as for the characters and settings, feel lost is very appropriate. Especially if you play as Bachelor, who literally does not know his way around the place. It's a confusing game, and presenting genre and style and settings that most gamers aren't used to in the slightest... And characters (as everything else in the game) evolve over time. So I'd say that you don't judge them too soon.
On the other hand, if you don't get it, you might not get it. It's a game for absolute minority of players.

I'd say give it a little more time, let the characters and plot play out a little more, but if you can't do it, don't beat yourself up over it. Maybe wait for the remake and see if that comes across better or not.

For me personally, it was always love at first fucking sight. But then again, I have been reading books and searching for any other fiction in this same genre for years, so that might have helped. Not with all of the characters, but certainly with the settings and concepts it started introducing from the start.

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>>387633145
>But then again, I have been reading books and searching for any other fiction in this same genre for years, so that might have helped.

Anything you might recommend?
And are you getting pic related?

>>387622114

How did they get such great facial animations? The animations really make the cast come alive, and helps make them memorable.

>>387622334

>I don't sell no soap

Wait, I remember him saying "salt", as in drugs. Did they change that line?

>>387630815
It's the same to me. I've tried playing it like 3-4 times every time quitting it after the first few days

>>387633569
seconding this question

>>387630442
I cheated to finish the game as well. Not real cheats per se, but I savescummed my way to completing every quest in the optimal amount of time and without getting infected or hurt too much. I heard there were different endings and I didn't want to "beat it" to find out that I got the worst ending. I'm going to go through it properly with Haruspex and Changeling now that I know how Day 12 works. The way people talked about how brutal it is, I thought all of the Bound were going to be infected on the last day; turns out I had saved up 5 panaceas/shmowders for nothing

>>387633145

I absolutely love the game too and I'd agree with you and add one thing: the game is draining as hell. It does a very good job of communicating that hopelessness and the odds against you. The game is emotionally draining to get through and even if you're fully invested in the characters and the narrative, the game might just break you anyway.

>>387622573
>the poor voice acting seriously hamstrings it.

This meme. The only bad voice acting is the cast in Hong Kong and Paris. They're just white people putting on shitty accents. Other than that, the voice acting is great.

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Arcanum was better.

>>387633764
>Wait, I remember him saying "salt", as in drugs. Did they change that line?

Did you play with the plus patch? Because it adds some cut content obviously removed as to censor the game. The Trip guy who owns the pawnshop in Santa Monica has a quest where you get drugs for him for example.

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>>387633569
>Anything you might recommend?
Oh fuck, we did the book recommendation thing a few weeks ago (it always comes up). I should fucking save it and just copy-paste it for future use... But if you have been in most previous IPL threads the odds are you've seen recommended most of what I have on offer: Borges, Kafka, Pavić, Schulz, Bulghakov, Platonov, Calvino, Cortázar, Bradbury, Abe, Camus, Ajvaz and you want to ease up, then Murakami is not a bad introduction to magical realism...
I could come up with a better more detailed list (and maybe also save it for my own reference) but it might take a while.

And I did not know that thing existed. Interesting.

>>387633569
>tfw i got into pathologic after the kickstarter for the new one
>i want that fucking art book, but i doubt i'll ever be able to get my hands on one

>>387622573
(You)

>>387632702

I think ME1 is actually pretty shit myself. It's a poor man's Star Control II.

>>387634117
Holy shit.

>>387632071
You're in the world of darkness, you can't expect to talk your way out of inquisitors, werewolves and mummies

>>387634117
Arcanum aged terribly

>>387634348
[Heavy breathing intensifies]

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>>387634442
Speech characters only work when you have companions you can manipulate into doing the shooty-stabby parts for you.

>>387622114
I own this on steam but have never played it, convince me please. I have seen the Ocean hotel level though which looked dope.

>>387634191
I still wonder why the plus patch cut out music from many locations (like the clinic) but it made them like 10 times spookier, the eerie silence

>>387634619
There's a vampire phenotype you can play that entirely changes your dialogue. Every single line.

>>387634584
link?

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Seconding.

>>387634737
>There's a vampire phenotype you can play that entirely changes your dialogue. Every single line.
No, it does not.
But the clans do some pretty extensive alterations. Up to maybe 30% of dialogue in the most extreme cases.

>>387634967
>http://www.pathologic-game.com/user/dashboard/
It's in the addons.

>>387635283
Malkavian does change every single line of your dialogue.

>>387634737
Why would that convince me?

>>387623804
Way to be a robot.

>>387628813
>Unfinished game by studio that was actively being sabotaged by Activision
>So bug ridden it needs a day one patch to play
>Still better than all modern AAA titles except TW3 maybe.
Your argument beats itself.

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NO MUHH NEE?!!

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>>387634272
>tfw spent $200 on the kickstarter but they haven't released any new content in almost a year and the latest post on the official vk page is a programmer job opening

I just finished this yesterday. I want to do another playthrough maybe as a Nosferatu or Malkavian.
What are some good mods to try out /v/?

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>>387638428
Didn't need to know that.

>>387637570
>actively being sabotaged by Activision
To be fair it's not like they handled the development all that well. The blunt of the fault still lies with Troika. They had 4 years to develop the game and still underestimated the amount of work required, as well as deciding to use an engine that was still in development forcing them to co-develop it alongside Valve taking even more dev time away from the actual game.

>>387639046
I mean, sure, but then Valve was like "HL2 has to come out on Source first." Troika was fine with that and was just going to fix bugs and stuff in the mean time but Activision refused to let them even touch it.

That's some Microsoft shit.

>>387638810
Just use the plus patch for your second playthrough and go through the restored content... If you like it enough use it for your next playthroughs. If you think you've seen everything after a few playthroughs you could try out Clan Quest Mod, the only mod with quests that aren't ridiculously bad. That's about it, most/all other content mods for VTMB suck ass imo.

I remember stopping around the point when I encountered a scared cop with absolutely atrocious voice acting. This isn't me being opinionated, he was slurring his words and everything. It seems to me they didn't even get professional voice actors for the side characters.

>>387638428
Their latest blog is about two months old, the release date is set on late fall this year (though I do expect it to be delayed into spring next year at the earliest), Marble Nest was damn great... I would not worry about the state of the project quite yet. IPL are many things, but not scammers or quitters.
They are really not good at communicating though.

>>387639515
Was that in the tutorial?

Or are you talking about Chunk? Cause if so, fuck you.

>>387639284
>roika was fine with that and was just going to fix bugs and stuff in the mean time but Activision refused to let them even touch it.
Nah. They were allowed to work on it, they were even paid for it, just not enough for the entire staff to get paid.

>>387639515
Are you retarded? Game probably has some of the best VA in gaming.

Also not sure what cop you're referring to, I can't recall any scared cops with slurry VA...

>>387639046
>They had 4 years to develop the game and still underestimated the amount of work required, as well as deciding to use an engine that was still in development forcing them to co-develop it alongside Valve taking even more dev time away from the actual game.

The game was insanely ambitious though.

The facial animations was pretty state of the art, there's a fuckton of voiced dialogue and Bloodlines still puts most other RPG's to shame when it comes to stuff like Nosferatu and Malkavian actually significantly changing the game. There's actual roleplaying.

>>387639882
>>387639620
he wasn't a named character. It was just some dude you had to convince to leave the area. I know the main characters are well acted, which is why the completely amateur voice acting put me off.

>>387639515
>I remember stopping around the point when I encountered a scared cop with absolutely atrocious voice acting. This isn't me being opinionated, he was slurring his words and everything

How fucking retarded do you have to be to not realize this was intentional?

He's supposed to be a fat loser cop.

>>387639490
aw man thats a damn shame, thanks anon

>>387639905
I know, which is why a small team of like 30-40 people maybe should think of scaling things down a bit.

I mean I'm glad they didn't since the results were still wonderful, but still. The game coming out so buggy and unfinished as it was is still on Troikas hands, and Activation were actually reasonably patient and lenient with them, at least compared to how publishers acts these days.

>>387638428
>tfw want that hardcover art book
>dont want to drop $105 for it
>probably going to end up justifying it to myself by spending $500 on books for college and then questioning the harm in $100 more

>>387640124
Are you talking about the fat cop in santa monica? On the way to get to the painting gallery? If so, the VA wasn't slurry, it was intentionally retarded because the character was insanely retarded. You meet him again in Downtown and he talks a lot more there. There's a point in the game where he actually thinks he can stop you and tells you to back off because he doesn't wanna hurt you. Guy is purposefully portrayed as very naive. I'm not sure where you got this idea that his VA was accidentally miscast or whatever.

>>387634117
>tfw they were planning on doing a Arcanum sequel using the Source engine similar to the style VtmB but the deal fell through

Man, that would have been something to see.

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There is literally not a single bad character in this game

>>387640849
Never played Arcanum. What makes it worth playing?

>>387642545
it's a steampunk rpg which is completely broken combat wise and features a lot of black isle's trademarked manchild humor.

>>387640156
>>387640124
no he was just some dude in a storeroom early in the game.

>>387643337
The guy in the tutorial? Yeah, he's an odd case. His lines are pretty low quality (both in read and sound quality) for some reason. Mercurio has this same problem the first time you meet him as well. His first line is horrible in the same way as the cop's. Luckily his next lines are fine.
It's a weird two-off thing. I wouldn't use it as an example of the rest of the game.