http://gamasutra.com/view/news/3040 03/Valve_engineer_commen

>>387501186

Indie shits BTFO

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GIVE US OUR 30% OR WE WILL DESTROY YOU

>>387501186
Completely understandable of course, but
>we are bearing the costs
>the value you're bringing to Steam isn't worth the cost to us
is hilarious. What costs? Some payments for servers and shitty costumer service? Profit margin for steam must be absolutely huge.

>>387504545
Servers aren't cheap.

>>387501186
If companies ask for 400k keys and rarely even ever sell more than 3k it only makes sense they would tell people to justify themselves.

There are many ways this can be abused, one such way is to say a game sold far more than it actually did.

>>387504619
If you're taking a 30% cut from every sale, yes they are.

>>387504818

>If you're taking a 30% cut from every sale, yes they are.

Also consider that they claim it's because Devs use the keys to farm cards..... which valve takes their own cut from. Their cut of the cards alone would pay for the hosting of some small game that's merely farmed.

This is just a thinly veiled way of setting up the final removal of steam keys.

>>387501186
I think steam was a mistake and people need to slowly move to another platform.

>>387504545
>what costs
>1000 copies sold but 50k downloaded

How much profit do you think there is in that equation?

>>387501186
His statement about "the value you're bringing to Steam isn't worth the cost to us" would make sense if there weren't thousands upon thousands of low quality trash games that will never sell even a single copy.

>>387501186
This is a bad thing. Punishes services other than steam for selling steam keys.

>From the gaming platform that brought the gaming world together, and then cock blocked every region

>From the gaming platform that tried to charge for user mods

>From the gaming platform that killed their own gifting system to make more money

>From the gaming platform that took control of devs being able to implement trading cards.... which is a major game selling attraction they themselves created.

Say it ain't so. Who would have seen this coming from © 2017 Valve Corporation.

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>>387505439
>I think we need to leave the cancer and find us a new one

>>387504545
How to spot the 13 year old

>>387505930
>Implying those services can't buy keys

posted by someone on the article:
>As per discussion on twitter this is possibly in response to someone using Valve effectively as a free CDN. They could put a game on Steam for $30 (make no sales) and then sell it somewhere else for $1 (without Valve getting a cut) and make a massive number of sales. According to some experts Valve is likely paying something like $.02 per gigabit transferred. With these combined someone could actually cause Valve money by utilizing the Steam download/hosting/patching framework without actually selling the product on Steam in any measurable manner.

>Given the massive amount of titles on steam, esp recently someone is probably doing this without event attempting to hide it. It was inevitable someday someone would abuse this.

>>387502446
>OR WE WILL DESTROY YOU
More like "or you can fuck off to whatever no name distribution platform you want". The one thing people don't understand abotu Steam is that it provides free marketing for games, since it recommends games of certain genres to people who have a history of being interested in these genres. The players don't even need to do shit, Steam simply recommends you games on its own. Without this feature, many an indie title would have released unnoticed even on Steam and would have sold like dogshit.

So yes, Valve has the right to demand whatever the fuck they want from devs to distribute their games and devs will agree to their demands, because they understand how important marketing is, especially when your game is being marketed to a target audience who has a history of interest in games similar to yours.

>>387501186

So if I'm reading this right:

>Valve is mad because Dev asks for more keys than they're selling on steam
>Dev sells extra keys elsewhere, meaning valve doesn't get a cut of those sales
>Valve then gets butthurt because people use their servers to download the game, all while not getting money

Normally I'd sympathize, but valve has hundreds of millions of dollars just from DOTA and CSGO alone. They could easily give games out for free and still end up with profit thanks to their two big cash cows.

>>387508131

>Free marketing

How is it free if valve gets 30% of the money? It's literally in their best interest to advertise games so they get money.

>>387508137
It's not just about the downloads, generating unique CD keys in a safe manner is something that is surprisingly not so easy to do. Anyway, Valve are 100% right about this and I can already see why they would want to move away from the game key model in the future.

>>387508243
Gamestop takes 70% and doesn't market your game. Maybe they'll put up a poster if you pay more.

>>387508137
>wtf your house is so big dude why can't I just squat here I'm only eating some of your food

>>387508243
>How is it free if valve gets 30% of the money?
That's the cost of privilege of using the only distribution platform that matters. Every distribution platform has such a fee, it's just that Valve is in the position to demand more. The marketing itself is free, since Valve doesn't request any additional payments for this Steam feature.

>>387501186
Yeah this is going to be the end of steam keys pretty soon.

It was fun while it lasted, probably going to go back to piracy now.

>>387508535
>back to piracy now.

It's pretty bad regarding that. I used to pirate a lot, but then steam made it quite worth it just to pay for the games. But over the last year and with what valve have done, I'm suddenly pirating more.

>>387505036
>Devs use the keys to farm cards

Seriously? That sounds fucking retarded, but at the same time realistic.
Source?

>>387508535
>Yeah this is going to be the end of steam keys pretty soon.
The one interesting thing is that this will actually only help devs, because it will kill any key reseller sites.

>>387501186
Gameobject gameObject = new Blown theFuckOut

>>387505439
>move to another platform.
The PC is a platform. We don't need platforms on top of a platform.
We're at the point where an individual should have little to no issue self-publishing and distributing.

If a developer is selling their game directly on their own website and I can give money directly to them, I'd rather buy from them and not have a copy bound to Steam or any other account. It doesn't take too much viral marketing to get a game some attention by word of mouth, just look at Minecraft. Notch viraled the fuck out of it here and we carried on with it.

>>387508717

Yeah, the OP's link.

>"to monetize on Steam through methods other than actually selling fun games to customers. Most notably, this meant farming Steam Trading Cards,"

They are probably talking about those russian games where they know no one wants to play their shitty game, so they give keys away en-mass and shove them into every bundle available. Or simply mass idle on dummy accounts and actually make more money from the card sales than they would have the sales of their own game.

>>387509096
>russian games
Got a source to back up your bullshit that these card farmers were Russians?

>>387509168

Hello Mr. Russian.

>>387509168
t. Dmitri

>>387508929
>We don't need platforms on top of a platform.
Devs think otherwise, since most of them are using Steam, since it's economically viable to do so. If it was economically more viable to self publish or use shit-tier distribution platforms like UPlay GoG or Origins, they would have done so. Your post is pretty much nonsense in its entirety.

>>387509364
>>387509316
So no actual proof, only baseless verbal diarrhea falling from your ass-mouths? OK.

>>387507641
Most people of any age would be floored by how expensive setting up even a medium sized cdn would cost. I'm sure Volvo's is not a medium sized one anymore.

>>387509467
BLYAT

>>387509467

My ass-mouth seems to have upset you. Perhaps you should go idle some cards or something.

maybe they're mad about humble bundle shit

>>387508768
No it won't, because I'm just going to steal their games.

>>387501186
Isnt this a problem that Valve caused themselves by letting every shitty software that even resembles a video game into their platform?

https://youtu.be/ALgmOdX2iQE?t=222

Never trust a Russian /v/.

>>387509096
it's always fucking russians. just like how they fucked up steam coal for everyone. just nuke russia already, they're just parasites that can't actually produce anything good so they just take the easiest, most immoral path there is.

>>387509738
You don't get the full functionality of the Steam social gaming platform by pirating the game, you do by buying a key for -95% on some key site. There's a big difference.

>>387509717
>maybe they're mad about humble bundle shit

It's not so much about humble, but all the other stores like humble as well. Indiegala, bundlestars, etc. They are all taking "Valve's" money.

The Devs put their keys in some mega bundle for some quick sales and then valve loses their chance to sell for full price to those potential customers.
As with all things Valve, it's about the money.

>>387501186
post the source from steam community

>>387509952
>As with all things business, it's about the money.
Fixed that for you. The fact that mongoloids like you try to pass Valve pursuing sound financial policies as something bad is hilarious.

>>387508768
It won't.

>Company X requests 100k keys for their game because they sell through humble bundle n' shiet
>Anon Y commits fraud and buys 10% of them, then resells them on G2A
>Company X is forced to disable 10% of their keys they have requested if they find out about the fraud
>Valve comes around and deny them further requests because they have requested too many keys and cant request the 10% they've lost

>>387509404
Devs use steam because people throw an autism fit as soon as a new game isn't available on steam.
Just look what happened with Destiny 2 announcement.
Each publisher having his own client isn't helping either.

We need a new lightweight video game only client. Without the social network bullshit and their kike trading market.

Physical games should also make a comeback, but most people don't have optical drives, maybe read only flash drives could be used once they become even more cheap.

>>387509168
>>387509467
Kill yourself Russian scum.

>>387508336
>It's not just about the downloads, generating unique CD keys in a safe manner is something that is surprisingly not so easy to do.
Every thread about this issue someone repeats this bullshit. It's trivially easy to generate billions of unique keys, while building your own cdn, marketplace, forums, client that patches and updates your games, matchmaking services, friends system etc etc is not. People that say that valve should let anyone leech of their services because they already have too much money are out of their minds honestly, name any business that does that, any service that just went "yeah sure, exploit our servers all you want, we have too much money anyway"

>>387501186
Why does Valve even allow cd keys outside of their own store beyond review keys, keey give aways and physical copies?

>>387510218
>We need a new lightweight video game only client. Without the social network bullshit and their kike trading market.
You mean like GOG?

>>387509826
pretty much all there is to it. steam is going down the shitter because they're too lazy and cheap to do any sort of quality control. valve is worth billions, just pay some people along with other automated measures to prevent russian asset flippers. jesus christ valve.

>>387510218
>Devs use steam because people throw an autism fit as soon as a new game isn't available on steam.
So, basically, devs use Steam because Steam is popular and it's financially non-viable to not use Steam? What's wrong with this?

>We need
Who are "we"? The vast majority of PC gamers are happy with Steam, those who are not can use whatever the fuck they want, nobody is forcing them to use Steam.

>>387509995
>post the source from steam community

It's not. It's from the developer forums, so you need Dev access to see it. The link is floating around though.

>Valve pursuing sound financial policies as something bad is hilarious

Except they are professing it's about maintaining Steam's "quality", and making out like they are doing this for other reasons than to make money.

Just like they made gifting "easier for YOU", by destroying it. It was for "US" you see. It's insulting.
A business wants to make more money, that's fine, but just don't make out like it's something it's not. Valve just don't want to be seen as the "Bad guy" for doing all this restrictive rubbish.

>>387509952
I guess you could also say that selling the keys on other clients will probably cause more people to download steam as a client so they can redeem those keys.

>>387501186
>And that's when our group of bad actors arrived, aiming to make money by releasing 'fake' games on Steam.
>'fake' games

>>387510218
Gog.com. You dont even need gog galaxy client to download games. Or you can use gog galaxy to download games but not even have it on when playing games.

>>387510520
>he's never seen an asset flip game
ivan shits out thousands of them daily

>>387510424
>steam is going down the shitter because they're too lazy and cheap to do any sort of quality control
Steam not having "quality control" is the reason why they will forever dominate the PC game distribution market: Valve are nto retards who would shoot themselves in the foot, they understand that there's nothing wrong with selling shitty games, as long as people want to buy those shitty games. It's called basic economics.

>>387510528
no thanks, they have shit sales, condemned good sales, and buckle to SJWs who want to ban games they don't like.

>>387510430
what does gaben's cock taste like? bacon?

ITT fake devs bitching about Valve fucking them in the ass.
Find a real job or kill yourselves, pathetic russian scums.

Why are people freaking out about this? Is everyone retarded? Unless you're someone who enjoys playing shitty asset flips you won't notice a damn thing from this change.

>>387510492
>Except they are professing it's about maintaining Steam's "quality"
And they are right. People being able to abuse the system and farm cards for profit is not something that should be allowed.

>>387510614
>as long as people want to buy those shitty games.... on steam.

Fixed that for you. This isn't about quality control, this is about Valve's slice of the pie and other stores like Humble taking it.

>>387510360
Yes, pretty much.
>>387510430
>Who are "we"? The vast majority of PC gamers are happy with Steam

It's called the Stockholm effect

>>387510614
not really, people ignore them and in turn ignore potentially good games. the whole point about this thread and that video is that these asset flippers are making money in other ways, like offering dozens or even a hundred+ games on sites like bundlestars for less than $10, or just card farming (which requires 0 people buying the games).

>>387510218
>We need a new lightweight video game only client.
Will never ever happen. It will either fade into obscurity, be extremely niche for a niche set of games or if by some miracle it becomes mainstream and extremely popular - guess fucking what, steam used to be a pretty simple video game only client too. The developers would want to expand and add more features, because guess fucking what again - people love all this social network shit and ingame economies even if you and me, bitter angry fucks from forward slash vee, don't.

>>387510713
Getting rid of a few problematic asset flipper shitter devs isn't going to help and this is only the first step in eliminating competition so devs can only sell on steam instead of multiple platforms.

>>387510657
>no thanks, they have shit sales, condemned good sales
You forgot: they have literally no refund policy outside of refunds issued for technical reasons. , which is something that is possible only when your service is based in some third-world shithole with no consumer right protection laws.You have to be a brainwashed potato cultist to use gog.

>>387504545
>anon buys 500 keys he got on sale for $5
>waits for sale to be over
>sells them $5 less than full price
If you don't see how this is hurting Valve than your retarded

>>387510926
b-but muh yurop...muh consumer protection and refunds...

>>387510787
>This isn't about quality control
What "quality control" are you talking about, mongoloid? Valve never had any "quality control" in the first place and never will, because they're not retards.

>>387510821
>people ignore them
No, they don't. Stop making up bullshit. People buy shit games on Steam by the thousands of copies. It's sad, but the right to buy shitty games should not be taken away from the consumer, especially from a business PoV, since it's the consumer who creates the market for these shitty games in the first place.

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>>387511006
>Third world Eastern-"European" shithole
>actual Europe

>>387510271
>It's trivially easy to generate billions of unique keys

Depends how secure you want your keys to be and what sort of meta-data you want to be able to encode in them. It can be fairly computationally expensive.

>people implying Valve should just be okay with getting exploited and losing money

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>>387510926
>assumed you were exaggerating
>google GOG headquarters
*breathes in* HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

>>387511401
>AUUGHGHG AAGGGGHHH I CAN'T GET ENOUGH CORPORATE COCK IN ALL MY HOLES IM A GOOD GOY IM A GOOD GOOOOYYYYY!!!

nice

>>387511139
except if you go on many of these games' store pages, they have few reviews (usually 0-10, all bad), no discussion, no players. the one making up bullshit is you. somehow you're too retarded to read/watch information about this even though this whole thread is about what I'm saying: these shit games don't need people to buy them on steam to make money.

seriously you moron, actually watch the video or read the article.

>>387511418
I actually thought they were based in Poland. This is even more sad, AHAHAHAHAHA.

>>387510424
Well, imagine what would happen, if Valve actually put a restrictive quality control in place.

They have a de-facto monopoly on the downloadable PC game market. Sure, there are other platforms, but in the same sense that there were other OS than Windows in the 90s.

They'd get sued and lose without a doubt.

Can someone show me some examples of asset flipped games? Sounds fucking weird.

>>387511223
but all of yurop is a third world shithole

>>387511483
Mongoloid, everything you've posted so far is baseless nonsense. The fact that you think reviews are an indicator of sales is even more hilarious. Even shitty games like Bloody Boobs have tens of thousands of owners, you are literally spouting lies:
https://steamspy.com/app/545250

>>387511482
>defending garbage asset flip scams
spotted the russian.

>>387505439
Tell me ONE platform, just one, that gives free keys to developers for them to sell however and wherever they want. Just one. You don't even need to restrain yourself to PC.

>>387510713
They're not retarded. They're Russian scums "devs" who make money that way by selling their shovelware 0.03 bux outside Steam.

>>387511223
>>387511559
The only "third world shithole" in Europe is literally Switzerland.

>>387511330
No, it's not, you can generate thousands of effectively globally unique identifiers at home right now if you wish so and it's incredibly easy for valve to ensure their uniqueness anyway because, you know, they have the fucking list of all the cdkeys anyway.

>>387511672
Nope and nope to both retarded assumptions. Try again, deluded corporate cock sucking fatass amerisheeple :^)

>>387511632
that's just a shitty game, not the typical asset flip. and again moron, if you'd actually read about the situation (which you obviously haven't but think you're an expert on it), these asset flippers request hundreds of thousands of keys and idle in them to get cards, then sell the cards. the "devs" are the owners you retard.

>>387508243
That 30% is for Seam since they're doing the marketing and pushing of the title for you.

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>>387504619
fuck off reddit, look at this shit, last year valve take 1.1 billion $ from that 3.4 billion $. i don't think valve put more than 100 million $ in servers and shity customers supp.

>>387511856
>Nope and nope to both retarded assumptions.
Shhh, let the gog shills discredit themselves by spouting retardation and assuming everyone who does not hate Valve is RUssian.

>>387511856
I hope one day your shitty country gets nuked, Ivan.

>>387511795
besides of that, keys imply downloads
downloads implies service availability
service availabilty implies spending on valve's side
they are literally cutting down on shovelware fucks and gog scammers, nothing to see here

>>387505439
Yeah and then that platform will become just like Steam once they get powerful enough. Do you not understand how things work?

>>387511880
Steam servers are literally the best in the industry. Why aren't you whining about PSN or Live or the fact that none of those generate keys for free for devs even when they're also getting 30%, the cost of each dev-kit and console sold?

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>>387511931
Yup, anyone who has a obsession with hating steam is a gog shill.

>>387511489
They are based in Poland. They're registered in Cyprus for tax reasons. Valve is registered in Lichtenstein by the way.

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>>387512103
>this kills the gog shill

>>387512139
>Lichtenstein

Last time I checked, it was called Liechtenstein.
Amazon Europe resides there as well.

>>387511872
>that's just a shitty game
The argument was about the need for "quality control", you dumb cuck. I don't give a fuck whether a shitty game has stolen assets or not, the fact is that shitty games sell on Steam, they have their own audiences and it would be economically non-viable to introduce any form of "quality control" that would prevent people from buying these shitty games. Again, Valve is doing everything right by following the demands of the market, you're just spouting nonsense.

>>387511535
https://youtu.be/H6sZkl7STsk?t=4m18s

>>387501186
based valve does it again

also what the fuck. Gamasutra has been around for years as the gaming job website right? Why do they still have a geocities layout.

>>387512460
hmmm, who do I listen to. random retard on the internet who doesn't know what he's talking about and can't just admit he was wrong, or guy who actually works at valve and came out and said these games aren't selling on steam but are getting hundreds of thousands of key requests and card sales.

hmm....tough choice.

>>387511878
Thus, not free

>>387511693
>Tell me ONE platform, just one, that gives free keys to developers for them to sell however and wherever they want.
>free keys
Oh boy they give them free keys for their own fucking games, that's very noble of Valve.
Meanwhile you're supporting this type of disease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSKwIwKuazg

Btw even Origin gives non EA developers keys to distribute.

>>387511535
Grimoire.

>>387508483
>cost
>fee
>free
Are you one of those retards who actually thinks that the second item in a "buy one get one free" deal is actually free?

>>387513463
>Meanwhile you're supporting this type of disease.
see:
>>387512363

>>387508897
invalid identifier: "theFuckOut"

>>387512469
So the Unity Store essentially is an RPG Maker for professionals?

>>387508137
>Steam should just burn money because they have too much of it because other people are poor
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>387513002
LMAO. Shitstain, you haven't presented even a single shred of evidence to back up your nonsense while being fed examples of shitty games selling relatively well. You have no clue what you're talking about and have no argument, neck yourself.

Where do I sign up for shilling for GoG? Would they pay me anything?

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>>387510926
>Use steam
>Steams servers go offline, with or without warning
>Half of your games are unaccessible
>The other half is unplayable

>Buy from GoG
>GoG goes offline without warning
>Half of your games are unaccessible
>The other half are just fine and they're yours forever
>GoG goes offline with warning
>Download and install all of your games and Zip them up
>All of your games are yours forever now

>"Buh there was a 2 week period I could refund! That means I'm not an idiot like you guys! I swear! What? Youtube and reviews? What are those?"

>>387510528
>>387515485
GOG's library is garbage though

>>387516226
>garbage

so you dont like games. no wonder youre shitposting

>>387508929
You'll always need some platform to distribute games, this isn't 1998 where people link their personal websites in mailing groups. itch.io has the right idea when it comes to monetization.

>>387515485
Steam servers going offline for any noticeable period of time is less likely than GoG being shut down and all games that have been sold through it being forcefully deleted from user PCs via police raids. The fact that you defend the lack of GoG's compliance with European consumer protection rights outs you as a shill, though, because no consumer would do such a thing. Be more subtle next time.

>>387508929
>It doesn't take too much viral marketing to get a game some attention by word of mouth, just look at Minecraft.
I don't think you can use the fastest selling video game of all time as an example like that.

>>387513764
Oh a random game worth 5.99 to 50 for 2.99
is the same as spending thousands on worthless cards and skins. kys

>>387516663
Why, because it worked?

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>>387504545
>Some payments for servers

>>387516728
>CD key gambling is not OK, except when GOG does it.
Now I understand why Steam patricians never even bother to criticize GOG: the shills are so retarded they destroy the reputation of their shit platform by themselves. No wonder nobody uses GOG.

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>>387516612
>Servers don't and can't catch fire
>Businesses don't go out of business
>Police raids are somehow magically less likely than not only the two above, but the fact that steam can just forcibly remove a game from your library without your consent
>"B-B-B-BUH I SWEAR I LOVE CONSUMER RIGHTS! SERIOUSLY! YOU SHILL!"
It pains me to know you're this stupid. One day, though, you might get better.

>>387509467
>>387509168
http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/04/russian-devs-use-greenlight-farms-to-push-asset-flipped-games-onto-steam/28377/

Hilarious comment section. Why are Russians constantly anally hurt? Is it the pain of living in a third world country bordering on total collapse?

>Quarter of the thread is supporting Valve's choice on this
>Another quarter is GOGfags defending the dev and GOG shilling
>Rest of the thread memeing on GOG shills.
This is the /v/ 2017.

>>387516956
>Police raids are somehow magically less likely
Shill, next time you try posting something in English, you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. You're below B2 level on the CEFR scale.

Also, prove that Steam servers shutting down is more likely than GOG being shut down for not complying with European consumer protection laws.

>>387517081
And so many that simply do not even read, /v/ has become full of average dumbfucks who can only read a title.

>>387517205
That's actually functioning English. So I dunno what you're on about.

>>387516956
When giants like Valve, Amazon and so forth start going out of business then I don't think my concerns will be the games on my fucking computer.

>>387517548
>That's actually functioning English.
So you admit that police raiding GOG users and forcefully deleting your GOG games is more likely than Steam servers going offline and think this line makes sense:
>Police raids are somehow magically less likely than not only the two above, but the fact that steam can just forcibly remove a game from your library without your consent

You're dumber than you sound.

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>>387517785
>So you admit that police raiding GOG users and forcefully deleting your GOG games is more likely than Steam servers going offline
Lol no, I never said that and I didn't even acknowledge it because what you're asking for is outright insane. You want me to prove that steam specifically has a higher statistic of going out of business than GoG getting police to come to my home to forcefully delete my games off of all my hardware? I mean, I could start posting big-name businesses that all went out of business and compare them to the rate of ANY police activity involved in forcing civilian consumers to delete paid content off of their computer, and I think you'll find that the latter is sitting squarely at about a 0%.

And yes, that line is fine. It will continue to be fine no matter how much you point at it and assert it isn't.

>>387510985
>DUDE STEAM SALES, AREN'T WE GREAT
>non retarded people buy more keys to resell later
>in no part of the system sas they're not allowed to
>S-STOP MAKING MONEY OFF OUR IDIOCY, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO US

>>387518078
> I never said that
You literally did, you don't even understand how English works. Back to the potato farms with you, shill. You have to literally be a cultist to defend lack of refunds, especially when the law requires them to be possible.

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>>387518291
>Dude you totally said that because I said you did! I don't have to prove it!
>See, me shilling for this DRM loaded software that can actually be forcibly taken away from me and already has a precedence for it from other markets is me being pro-consumer rights!
>AHAHAHAHA, I got you, you faggot!
lol. Have fun shilling in a thread by yourself anon.

>>387518450
This is my original post >>387516612 in which I have said
>Steam servers going offline for any noticeable period of time is less likely than GoG being shut down and all games that have been sold through it being forcefully deleted from user PCs via police raids.
>Steam going offline is LESS likely than GOG being shut down

and to which you have replied:
>Police raids are somehow magically less likely than not only the two above, but the fact that steam can just forcibly remove a game from your library without your consent

The word "magically" imparts a sense of sarcasm to the statement and implies that the speaker believes that police raids are actually MORE likely, which is exactly what I have said initially. In other words, you have literally BTFOd yourself.

The lack of reading comprehension and writing ability proves that you are not a native speaker, which, in turn, proves that you're most likely a potato shill. You're not worming your way out of this one, back to the farms with ye.

>>387508137
what a fucking retarded subhuman niggershit you must be
valve can do whatever it wants, it owes you nothing, and most devs will STILL suck valve dick whenever gabe commands them

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>buying any post 2010 game on GOG

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>>387519976
>buying games

>>387519976
Why would you buy something that can be emulated?

>>387520668
Because 1-2 bucks

>>387511418
>Doesn't know that Cypress HQ is a tax dodge
Are you 15 or just retarded?

>>387519976
As opposed to the Microsoft Store, uPlay, Origin, PSN or the Nintendo e-shop?

>>387520992
>Are you 15 or just retarded?
Pretty evident he's underage because of the whole *breathes in* epic maymay

>>387504818
Couldn't devs just host and distribute their games on their own, then? That way they get 100% with no cuts and servers are even cheaper!

some people are just too blinded by valve hate to see this logically

obviously you don't want some autist who sells 100 copies of my special snowflake depression game requesting 500k keys, that's fucking dumb

look at it this way, it'll be a lot harder for nobody devs to shill their games and I know how much /v/ hates shills

the only problem with this is that it's arbitrary, there's no way to know how many keys is too many keys, it could be hundreds or thousands, nobody knows but valve

>>387512103
>>387512363
>>387513764

Can't we just all agree that both this pinata shit steam level/badge/cards/paidmods garbage sucks?

>stopping indieshit faggots from selling their game through keysites so people can't refund is a bad thing

>>387507641
Valve has the highest profit to employee ratio of any company in the world

>>38751169
As a dev you can do whatever the fuck you want on itch.io.

>>387508137
you should have read the link in OP rather than just looking at the picture, valve updated the story to clarify it more:

Update: A Valve representative gave the following response to Gamasutra:

"Steam keys have always been available for free to our partners to help them sell PC games at physical retail and on other digital stores. In return, we've asked that partners offer Steam customers a fair deal, similar to what they're offering on other stores. None of that is changing.

But over the last few years, new features and additions to Steam have changed the way Steam keys were being used, for instance as a means for game-shaped objects to monetize on Steam through methods other than actually selling fun games to customers. Most notably, this meant farming Steam Trading Cards. We shared a lot of info about that issue, and our response to it, here.

While our changes did impact the economics of trading card farming for new products coming to Steam, there are still a lot of games and game-shaped objects using Steam keys as a way to manipulate Steam systems. As a result, we're trying to look more closely at extreme examples of products on Steam that don't seem to be providing actual value as playable games-for instance, when a game has sold 100 units, has mostly negative reviews, but requests 500,000 Steam keys. We're not interested in supporting trading card farming or bot networks at the expense of being able to provide value and service for players.

It's completely OK for partners to sell their games on other sites via Steam keys, and run discounts or bundles on other stores, and we'll continue granting free keys to help partners do those things. But it's not OK to negatively impact our customers by manipulating our store and features."

>>387524112
threads like these show that most of nu-/v/ don't want to read anything longer than a few sentences

>>387524112
tl;dr

>>387512469
And yet yandere simulator is immensely popular. It's kind of sad.