>Artorias the Abysswalker >Ludwig the Accursed >Orphan

>>387498519
Was Pinwheel even a boss though?

Also Gael

Are you scoring difficulty or what?

>>387498519
O&S is probably the most iconic boss fight of the whole series

>>387498519
Lady Maria

>>387498519
Gascoigne

Ornstein and Smough for sure, probably Soul of Cinder too

>>387499759
>tutorial boss
no

>>387499948
>the build by following a little girls quest to find her father and mother
>finding him ravaging some beast after he murdered his wife/girls mother beause of his own beastly side
>the music of the battle
that was a little more than a tutorial boss fight

>>387500108
The lore doesn't really matter in deciding whether it's a tutorial boss or not. By that logic the Last Giant in DS2 is also more than a tutorial boss due to being the remnants if the Giant Lord.

>>387499332
*parries your path*

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>>387498519
looking glass knight, tbqh

>>387498519
Ornstein and Smough aren't even that hard nor are they very interesting. So why are they always mentioned

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>>387501208
They're memorable and fun and still somewhat challenging
>inb4 pic related

O&S, Gwyn, Nameless King, Sif, and Midir should be added. Maybe even Manus and Nito

I do not get the hype with kos I killed it first try and didn't see it as being much of a boss

>>387498519
The Champ

>>387502118
fuck you faggot that nigger took me over 60 tries and I wasn't underleveled.
>>387501958
>>387502203
champ is shit killed him 2nd try. Too easy to parry

>>387502249
Well, I killed Orphan of Kosm on my second try, but Gundyr really kicked my ass on my first playthrough. I guess he's similar to Gwyn if you don't parry-cheese.

>>387502249
and I beat Artorias on my first, what's your point?

>>387498519
Gherman, maria and maybe soul of cinder

>>387501958
this.

>>387498519
Astorias, Garl Vinland protecting Astrea and Gehrman

>>387502336
>>387502361
well this all depends on build variation and play style but more than anything it's how much you've overleveled. Fighting kos or artorias at around level 80 and 70 respectively was a nightmare.

>>387498519
Lady Maria?

>>387502514
>Garl Vinland
Why?
>watch a playthrough of DeS since I'll never buy PS3
>the player gets to Garl Vinland
>think "oh man this is gonna be great, /v/ told me Velstadt was just a knock-off of Garl"
>Garl is just a regular NPC in armor, not a proper boss
>he's on a very short leash, refusing to pursue the player
>he has no poise and gets stunlocked by a scimitar

Gascan is unironically one of the best bossfights in the series

What level should I be on ng+ to enter the DLC in Bloodborne? I've killed the Cleric Beast and I am level 99 now with a +10 saw and average gems in it. I've tried entering the DLC on level 92 in ng but Ludwig fucking raped me so I just watched a game movie of all the important stuff. Now I kinda feel like beating it myself

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Orphan of Kos is the best bossfight in the series.
why?
because gameplay wise it encourages you to use ALL systems the game taught you throughout the game.
visceral attacks give you all your life back, and both parrying and Backstabbing are viable Options that actually make the fight easier.
he is also pretty close to a humanoid enemy, but fast with a ton of range.
and phase 2 changes the fight quite a bit with him trying to jump on you and throwing those grenades everywhere.

gameplay wise it's easily the best bossfight in these games.
presentation is arguable.

>>387502664
level 100 on ng+ and fucking gascoine gave me a hard time. I'd say at bare minimum level 120-130

>>387502556
Nah, leveling up doesn't matter that much in BB. It's much easier to hit softcaps in all the relevant stats in BB. So by the point you fight Orphan leveling any more can only mean you'll be able to use more hunter tools with higher arc requirements.
You do need to have some decent gems from the chalice dungeons though.

>>387502664
I've been 80 on NG+ just fine, but of course I'm also pretty bad at the game so I was probably overleveled

>>387499948
Isn't the tutorial boss the thing up on the bridge?

>>387498519
Are we talking about difficulty, quality or both? In either case, Manus and Fume Knigth should both be there.

>>387502664
Total level doesn't matter. If you hit 50 vit and 40 str (or whatever weapon you're using) and have it at +10 you can enter the DLC.

>>387502754
well there you go. I never fucked with chalice dungeons and I never played a souls game with softcaps in mind so maybe my build was a bit weak at that point. Although there's never been a boss other than kos that made me go back and farm levels just so I could continue.

>>387502556
I fought Artorias at SL72 and tanked him to death with a medium shield. Once I figured out his moves I could usually beat him without getting hit once. He hits hard, but he's so slow, and I got the impression that he was designed to be theatrical rather than challenging. Compare him to Gwyn, who is boring but does not fucking relent, ever, and trying to parry him is actually safer than trying to fight him conventionally.

No love for Friede.

>>387502658
He and Astrea live in a fucking Valley infested with nasty shit. Despite all this shit he still wants to protect her while she sits calmly in a river of blood surrounded by creepy bloody babies.
>"You will not turn back, will you?"
>"I shall let no harm come to dearest Astraea"
>"Dearest Astraea... I have failed you..."

This fight is the best in the series feels-wise along with Gwyn and Gehrman

>>387502802
What

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>>387503024
>friede
>top 10 anime battles: the boss fight

>>387501951
>Midir
Next you're going to nominate Ancient Dragon

>>387502857
I'm also bad at souls games. I've beaten DeS, DS1 and BB and still can't "git gud". I'll try leveling up my vit and str but I still think I will get my ass kicked. Also can't fucking summon players because I guess nobody plays this game

>>387498629
he would be if you went there straight after you got access to Andre or the smith box

>>387501596
They're memorable precisely because they're not fun. Phase 1 takes forever and you're fucked if you bring a slow/short reach weapon, phase 2 has attacks with weird hitboxes and even worse punishment for bringing a wrong weapon. And because the AI is retarded, the most expedient option is to get them stuck behind a pillar and pelt them with arrows.

>>387500402
why don't you go fight Gascoigne on NG+ or something

>>387503281
I can help you beat Ludwig, but he's better beaten alone. The rush is amazing.

>>387503026
>This fight is the best in the series feels-wise along with Gwyn and Gehrman
Exactly, feels-wise, but the actual battle is boring. First you kill an NPC either by stunlocking or parrying and then the "boss" kills herself when you talk to her. It's not really a boss battle at all, just a boss encounter, and therefore I don't think it should be judged as a proper fight just like you don't judge the true King Allant "fight" as a boss battle because it's just a lore encounter and nothing more. Neither of these so called bosses have anything worth mentioning going on in them gameplay-wise.

>>387502118
>>387502249
my first time against Kos was my 10 vit challenge run character
I held the thesis that if you had all the stamina, you would be invincible so long as you knew when and what to dodge

I was right, but Kos took a fair few tries

>>387503405
There was one guy that I summoned. His nickname was GreatBread and some numbers. He had that shiny wheel DLC weapon and I thought wow he's gonna fuck Ludwig. He died in about 10 seconds.

>>387501958
>Rping as him and obliterating people online
God I love his halberd

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she should have had more lore

also:
O&S
The Champ
Sif the Big Grey Doge

>>387498519
Flamelurker

>>387498519
False King Allant and Mad Monk for sure. Probably Dragon God too.

Other notable DeS bosses would be Blind Hero, Penetrator, Flamelurker and possibly the Manhunters.

>>387498519
False King Allant was a pretty sweet boss indeed.
>>387504468
Flamelurker was an asshole if you didn't have magic. Fucking immolation aura bullshit.

>>387502514
>>387502658
>>387503026
DS2 did it far betterwith Velstadt. Even the feels where better because you fucking cared about Vendrick and getting to him was the whole point. Astraea just pops up and kills herself.

In and out, she couldn't have left a duller impression on me. I cared about her and Garland less than I cared about the Penetrator, who actually was apretty awesome boss.

>>387505560
But was Vestadt there to protect Vendrick or was he his jailer, because he was corrupted by Nashandra?

>>387505205
Flamelurker was good, but its IA, concretely pathfinding, was pretty shit.

You shouldn't exploit that Flamelurker mano a mano was surely one of the better battles DeS had to offer.

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Serious question
Why do people like artorias so much?
He's praised as one of the greatest characters in the series but he's some shitter who couldn't beat Manus and took your credit for it. His boss fight is also ridiculously easy if you have any poise at all

>>387505896
>His boss fight is also ridiculously easy if you have any poise at all
I almost took your post seriously.

>>387505648
Clearly there to protect him. I mean, the only thing really keeping Nashandra from the Throne of Want was the King's Ring.

If Velstadt and the Looking Glass Knight weren't there (both were well equipped to deal with Nashandra's hexes so she couldn't risk challenging them herself), she would have just walked over and taken it. Vendrick couldn't have stopped her in the sorry state he was.

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>>387498519

False Allant is top notch. Nameless King is great, even if people hate him now because he's said to be very difficult by a bunch of people. Kenan and Kel are also an amazing moment in the series. Gehrman is a must-have. The Ivory King is just nuts. I'd also say Manus is somewhere up there.

I fucking love Friede, Micolash and Gael, but your mileage may vary.

>>387506137
Why was he using abyssal sorceries then?

>>387505896
>>387506058
I annihilated Artorias on my first run simply by having the Eagle Greatshield. He was the boss I died the least to in the whole game excluding Asylum Demon.

>>387506606
*Asylum and Pinwheel, but Pinwheel barely counts as a boss.

>>387500108
>>387499759

I agree a 100%.
Gascoigne was an amazing fight, and a real 'welcome to Bloodborne' moment.

>>387506606
>shield
>poise
Give it up, anon. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>Dragonslayer Ornstein and Executioner Smough
>Knight Artorias
>Fume Knight
>Ludwig the Accursed/Holy Blade
>Orphan of Kos
>Soul of Cinder
>Champion Gundyr
>Twin Princes
>Slave Knight Gael

>>387501958
I thought the champ fight was easier than the first one. He was a bit tough at the start playing deprived.

>>387507047
Chap is really hard when you use a slow weapon, because it's really hard to even pull off any attacks without getting punished. I guess he's considerably easier for fast weapon users.

>>387506058
>I almost took your post seriously
I poise tanked him and beat him first try. How the fuck is that not ridiculously easy?

>>387498728
Scoring kino

>>387506137
Vendrick was just walking around in circles in the crypt right? I wanted to fight him but i didnt draw aggro so there was no point. My characters nkt a murder hobo, they just fuck shit up when it attacks them first.

>>387507197
Let's see a video of your feat then.
Because I actually tested poise tanking on Artorias and it just doesn't work.
But of course you have no video, because you're just bullshitting.
Dodging Artorias is way easier than trying to poisetank anyway.

>>387506580
Good question, he actually comes from Shulva, a civilization known in the past for its miracles and hexes. In fact, queen Elana makes for a much more powerful hexer than Nashandra was.

Velstadt is also quite the hexer but I believe several descriptions paint him as a cleric miracle-worker in his hayday. The dark within the Undead crypt might have corrupted him if so.

Personally I think that he was always able to use the Dark, only he was also profoundly loyal to his king, touched by dark or not.

Velstadt was really fucking enduring after all, even his King, the great and powerful Vendrick, lost his sanity a long time ago whereas Velstadt remained even though he was branded by da Dark.

It even makes sense that he would embrace it. What is the best way to beat a pure hexer like Nashandra?, Be a hexer yourself for that sweet, sweet dark resistance, then just whack away with your superior combat skills.

And Nashandra sure couldn't have beat Velstadt at melee in a million years.

>>387507412
I'm not gonna film a video to convince someone that artorias isn't hard
If you want to see one so badly then watch lobrosouls when he kills artorias first try.

>>387507453
Dude. Elana wasn't a shulva native, she's another shard of Manus like Nashandra.
And where does it state Velstadt was from Shulva? Just because Elana summons his copy during her boss fight doesn't mean anything.

>>387506860
I'm not the guy you originally replied to

I was just agreeing with them that Artorias can be easy as fuck if you go tanky.

>>387498728

Overall experience. Bosses that brought and were profoundly satisfying to fight. Difficulty + general gameplay + theatrics + lore...everything. It depends largely on personal preference, I think. For instance I'd say Micolash is a viable choice because his VA and his theme are both god-tier, despite the fact that the actual fight is a joke and chasing him on subsequent playthroughs is annoying.

>>387507381
Nashandra would have probably drawn his aggro. I mean, she was his love and later the person he feared and despised most, the reason why Vendrick locked himself up.

If she had barged in just like that Vendrick might hAve recognized her instintively. He had her image carved on his sword after all.

And that's a no-go because whithout some giant souls Nashandra was as good as dead even against a hollow Vendrick.

>>387507709
Again, block tanking and poise tanking are drastically different gameplay styles.

>>387507779
I understand that

I was, again, just agreeing that Artorias can be trivialized. I bet poise tanking is only slightly less effective than using a high stability 100% block shield.

>>387505896

How do you poise-tank Artorias? Motherfucker has a ton of HP and deals big-dick damage, trading hits doesn't really seem viable. You have to be pretty high level to do that I imagine.

>>387508014
He's squishier than you would imagine
Granted I did have a b.k halberd though

>>387505165
Dragon God was the biggest disappointment

>>387507656
You still get stuff like best girl Dark Greatsword, Promised Walk of Peace, Profound Stillness and Sanctuary Shield / Crossbows in Shulva.

Elana might have come to Shulva, but it was not a stranger to the dark before her.

Also, well, it doesn't state anything anywhere as far as I know, but I do find it relevant that she summoned Velstadt.

And remember. He was a cleric warrior on a country where clergy didn't have any actual power and sure didn't have any warrior priest tradition.

But know who was all really fucking deus vult with their warrior priests?, the Archdragon Sect of Lindelt in the Amana Shrine.

Not only do several item/spell descriptions refer to them as possessing dark, demonic powers, but they also sport the slumbering dragon of Shulva on their shields and etc.

They are probably exiles / survivors from there. Either way there's a connection. You could say the Archdragon Sect - Velstadt connection is flimsy, but remember, they took base on Amana Shrine and stood too in Nashandra's way to Vendrick.

>>387498519
kys anon.
Bloodborne is my favorite soulsborne game, and Ludwig/Orphan are pure kino, but I don't agree. Greatest boss fights are
1.Gael
2.Orphan
3.Friede
4.Maria

Then in no particular order, Gehrman, Hot Doge, Champion Gundyr, Nameless King, Abyss Watchers, Midir, Sully, Dancer, Twins, Nameless King, Demon in pain/From Bellow, Fume, Ivory, Sinh, Alonne, Chariot, Velstadt, Mirror Knight.

But THE greatest boss fight From has made so far is Gael. It used to be Orphan, but Gael is just Orphan on steroids, just like Friede is Maria but better and cuter. No doubt their next game will have its own version of Gael of Kosm but EVEN better.

>>387508581
I fully agree, but the 'fight' wasn't bad per se, its just that having it as one of your main bosses is a major letdown, specially after Flamelurker, who actually posses a challenge.

>>387508693
>just like Friede is Maria but better and cuter
>and cuter
thems be fighting words

>>387498519
Slave Knight Gael
Fume Knight
Sir Alonne
Ornstein and Smough
Lady Maria

>>387502749
I just like it because it makes sure you remember how to fight Gascoigne.

>"YOU'RE STILL FUCKING BACKDASHING? HOW ABOUT A DICK IN YOUR ASS."

He was fun.

>>387509131
How dare you speak to me or my waifu anon.

Maria is fantastic, in every aspect (I LITERALLY bought a PS4 a month ago and a brand new BB just so I can replay it (for the 18th time) and beat Maria again, and after doing so the PS4 died, no regrets), but Friede is just better.
>tfw "avert thine eyes"
>tfw Father Ariandel starts sperging out harder than a DaStard on /v/
>tfw Blackflame Friede
The way she airflips and noscopes you with blackflames is just porn for your eyes

>>387498519

>Top 3
Ludwig the Accursed
Orphan of Kos
Gerhman

>Top Ten
Ludwig the Accursed
Orphan of Kos
Gerhman
Maiden Astrea
Ornstein & Smough
(False) King Allant
Looking-glass Knight
Father Gascoigne
Lady Maria
Vordt of the Boreal Valley

>>387509519
>Orphan of Kosm when Gael exists
>Maria when Friede exists
>Ornstein and Smough when Demon in pain and Demon from below exist

Otherwise your taste is good, but where are the DaS3 bosses? DaS3 has the best bosses from has made so far, where is gundyr, nameless king, twins, sully?

>>387509678

Forgot about Sully.
Replace Vordt with Sully.

The rest of the DaSIII bosses didn't do much for me.

Remove Arty, add Manus, Nameless King, Champion, SoC and Gael.

>implying Old Burger King wouldn't stomp all your shitty bosses combined.

>>387508693
I would also mention as great boss fights:

>Priscilla
>Four Kings
>Sif
>Gwyn
>Ornstein & Smough
>Artorias
>Manus
>Executioner's Chariot
>Lost Sinner
>Belfry Gargoyles
>Royal Rat Vanguard
>Freja
>Smelter Demons
>Demon of Song
>Darklurker
>Throne Watcher & Defender
>Elana
>Aava
>Aldrich
>Oceiros

All these might not be the best, but they are certainly great, the better bosses of their respective games.

>>387509678
ornstein and smough are better than the demons because they are actually different, unique characters with different designs and movesets

maria is better than friede mainly because she's not a 3 stage boss fight and because friede is just a maria ripoff

orphan of kosm is thematically better than gael

>>387509678

Gael is shit. I beat him on my first try without even realizing he was supposed to be the final boss. Fucking joke of a final fight. Gael as the last boss in the main game and having Sould of Cinder as the last DLC boss would have been awesome.

Friede is a rehash of Maria and Gehrman. She actually has rehashed animations of Gehrman. How could you possibly think Friede and Gael are better than Maria and Orphan?

>>387510423
>kosm
It's kos faggot

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>>387498519
At least to me Ludwig and the Orphan were a fucking joke compared with Laurence.
I'm not talking about his design (generic cleric beast) I'm talking about how hard it was and how GOOD I felt when I defeat him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3XXGmu-dw

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>CTRL F
>Tower Knight
>0 Results

...Really?

>>387508693

No way in HELL will I ever agree that Maria and Friede are better than Artorias and Ludwig. I love them both, but I disagree with that on every level. Arty and Lud were the two hypest fights in all Soulsborne.

I agree that Gael is god-tier though and deserves a spot in the top 5.

>>387510579
>It's kos faggot
>believing in the words of uneducated peasants over that of a scholar like Micolash

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>trying to judge bosses based off of cinematic moments
>barely anyone has mentioned the Ivory King
What the hell, /v/?

>>387510914

Micolash referred to him as Kos but acknowledged that SOME SAY Kosm.

Micolash obviously thought Kos was the preferred term.

>>387511153
Micolash can suck my tranny dick.

why does the dancer get no love? it has the best OST and a great fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPReLrVTqtc&t=236s

>>387511342
Not to mention she has a nice ass

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>>387498519
DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>>387511342
She's an awesome boss but there's simply better ones in DS3.

>>387510914
>Orphan of KOS
When I saw this I knew kosm babies were eternally btfo

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>>387511452
Please don't bully Maria.

>>387498629
either Fume Knight or Alonne. Fume Knight has the better lore, but Alonne has way better presentation

>>387507047
because he's easier when you dont have to deal with the rng hitboxes of the bif darnkess tumor Iudex has. it's just gundyr all the way through, plus an extra attack or two

>>387498519
>Gael
>Gehrman
>Soul of Cinder

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What does /v/ think of my man, Sulyvahn?

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>>387498519
Gael and False King Allant. Honestly think Gael False King Allant and Ludwig are the best designed and kino bosses in any video game.

>>387511573
Clipping. Low res textures. Low poly model.
FS fucking sucks.

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my man "roll gud or die trying" the boss.

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>>387511868
So?
Still one of the best games ever made.

>>387498519
Artorias was way too easy to be considered great.

Four Kings
Artorias
Sif Only after doing the dlc
Gwyn
Orphan of Kos
Soul of Cinder
Abyss Walkers
Gehrman
Laurence
Darkeater Midir
Gael
Manus
Gascoigne
Yharnam

>>387512227
Could say that about Ludwig with his second form

>>387512227

Artorias is not easy, not by a mile, when compared to Dark Souls and Demon's Souls bosses. Compared to DS3 and BB bosses? Yeah, he's easy, especially now that we're all vets of the franchise.

>>387512249
Sif honestly did nothing for me

>>387498519
Gael.

>>387512426
I see you're more of a cat person

>>387506767
i almost wish they saved that track towards the end boss or the one before or something
it was too good for Gascoigne

>>387512580
I think I was just overhyped for the big dog, so I was disappointed by the boss fight

>>387501208
O&S is my favourite bossfight of all time. I absolutely love it.

>>387512624
That's why I go into these games blind
Blacklist /v/ whenever one comes out

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>Gehrman
>Gael
>Ludwig
>Abyss Watchers
>Soul of Cinder
>Lady Maria
>Laurence (soundtrack)
>Kos
>Darkeater Midir
Gascoigne
Yharnam
Watch Dog of the Old Lords
Darkbeast Paarl
Moon Presence
Lothric, Younger Prince
Gundyr
Friede
Nameless King
Dragonslayer Armour
Pontiff Sulyvahn
Demon Prince
Dancer of the Boreal Valley
Yhorm
Quelaag
Crossbreed Priscilla
Gwyndolin
Gaping Dragon
Sif
Gwyn
Ornstein and Smough
Artorias the Abysswalker
Black Dragon Kalameet
Manus
King Allant
Penetrator
Old King Allant
Storm King
Tower Knight
Old Monk
Flamelurker
Fool's Idol
Phalanx
Maiden Astraea
Sir Alonne (soundtrack)

>>387510423
Let's be honest anon, Smostein are cool, true. but what's cool about them? Their cinematics, their design, and the fact that it's a boss that forces you to change your playstyle and adapt, it's the first time you're 1v2 like that (inb4 maneaters or gargoyles, smostein is a very specific 1v2). But mechanically speaking, it's pretty poor, both are slow, they don't feel scary, and you notice that it's actually a 1v1 followed by a 1v1, Smough is always far behind, you're only fighting Ornstein. And Ornstein doesn't feel like a DRAGONSLAYER, when you see archdragons like Kalameet or Midir, you can't possibly imagine Ornstein fighting that, being this slow and non aggressive.

Now take demon in pain/from below, first they look cool as fuck, and second, just like Smostein, they force you to adapt and change your playstyle, it's 1v2 again. But this time, they're huge so you have to care about each one of their limbs, so 8 in total, they just never stop attacking, it never fucking ends, short/long rage attacks, aoe, poison, lasers. FROM managed to give you that "new playstyle" feeling, but this time they did in the second DLC of the fifth game they make. Even after 9 fucking main games/DLC, they manage to surprise you and remind you that they have more tricks up their sleeves. They are Smostein, but even more impressive.

Plus the soundtrack is audio kino (Smostein are also godtier of course), the setting/location/lore was more interesting IMO, and it may be just me, but seeing them really gave me chills, like only Friede/Maria/Gael/Kosm/ChampGundyr gave me, not even Smostein or Gwyn. Why are they below, why are they in pain, what's the demon prince, did Lorian really lose his legs fighting this? Cool as fuck IMO. FROM really didn't give a shit about originality in DaS3, they just copy pasted DeS/DaS/DaS2/BB and made cool as fuck fights.

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>>387498519
How the fuck can you even put any boss from DaS1 on a list with Bloodborne bosses? Even if you're selecting the best, it's like comparing a fisher price kid's toy to a million dollar sports car.

>>387498519
First phase of Soul of Cinder. Exactly what I'd expect from a finale and it's gimmick is actually really cool.

The second phase can go fuck off though, it feels like Miyazaki swinging his dick into my face.

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cutest boss

>>387513332
Fool's Idol pleases old men for money!

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I don't understand why people like the Gael fight
The only cool thing about it was him doing the powered up Way of White corona, otherwise it was just Artorias with another berserk reference shoved in (yes I know Artorias himself was a berserk reference)

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>>387513447

TAKE THAT BACK NOW

>>387513559
Fine.
FOOL'S IDOL DOESN'T EVEN DO IT FOR MONEY
SHE DOES IT BECAUSE SHE'S A SLUUUUUUUUUUUT

>>387511146
I'm kind of torn. On one hand it's kind of a badly designed fight but at the same time it feels like the closest we'll get to an actual battle in a Souls game. Going in with up to six people at your side against the tide of respawning enemies and literally the only good-hearted ruler in the Souls universe who fell into Chaos is fucking great.

>>387513710

>only good-hearted ruler

Vendrick wasn't so bad...
He wanted to free his people from the curse, he just wasn't very good at it.

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>>387513710
For all of its faults, Dark Souls 2 did have some cool characters in its Lore

>>387507343
>DBZ King
>Kino

>>387513012
Most of Bloodbornes bosses are pretty mediocre so it's fine

>>387513868
Vendrick had good intentions but he let his dick guide him and Nashandra talked him into invading the giants which fucked him over later. That's not even considering the fact he pretty much allowed Aldia to do some really nasty shit. He himself even admits he was more of a jester than a king. I feel sorry for him, but he DID fuck up big time.

>>387514018
Alva is the fucking best and I actually don't like how they kind of shoehorned him into the Ringed City and decided to make his story even more depressing just for the sake of it.

I'm stuck against Pontiff Sulyvahn.
Fuck this fucking bitch

>>387514165
I'm sure that's what he did to the Dancer

>>387513102
Wait, what does the Soul of Cinder do that is so unique? I killed him in like 18 seconds so I have no clue what his moveset was. Easily the worst boss in the game, next to Midir.

>>387512227
Artorias is the hardest boss in the game for me. I generally use strength weapons so I have to time my hits just right or he evades or punishes.

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>>387514223
I'M MAD

Finishing off aldia

>>387514279
From what I can tell (I haven't played 3 yet), he uses a move from every single class in the Souls games (melee, magic, maybe miracles I can't remember) and his second half is just Gwyn. Essentially, he's the player character from 1 and Gwyn fused together which is pretty cool

>>387514279
I wouldn't say it's 'unique' but the fact is switches up between styles of player characters is a neat idea and I feel like it works with the concept of the series. And since DS3 had a lot of 'gimmick' bosses that were trying too hard to be 'epic', this mechanic was actually fun.

But then it goes into a Gwyn rehash and it goes to shit.

I'm not very good at Souls games but beating Dancer of the Boreal Valley solo was such a rush.

>>387498519
>Ludwig the Accursed
Remind me again why Ludwig was so great, without using kino memes.

>>387514553
He's a good boss, he's just overrated.

>>387514098
I like to think that he and Zullie are Karla's parents, and that you avenge them somewhat by freeing her

>>387513868
Vendrick was a good person driven to terrible means by his wife and his brother, Nashandra and Aldia respectively.

>>387514618
Believe me, I really want to think that too. Alva deserved better than the shit he got handed in DS3.

I've actually liked Karla a lot more than I thought I would too, even if she's a blatant expy of Yuria.

>>387514165
Parry or used a shield and the fight becomes a complete joke. Pontiff is only difficult because his anime shit fucks over DaS3's horrible camera.

>>387514424
Not just that, but he's everyone who's ever linked the fire.

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My best are:
> B&S
> Aaagh, you we're at my side aall aloong...
> Twink Princes
> Ivory "The Chad" King
> Ass of the Voreal Valley
> Bullied Maria
> Literally me the last boss of DS3

>>387514739
If the Locust priests are to be believed, he and Zullie were reunited after they died

>>387498519

>Elder God Tier
Ludwig
Artorias
Slave Knight Gael
Lady Maria
Orphan of Kos
Soul of Cinder
Lady Maria
Dancer of the Boreal Valley
Nameless King
Gehrman
Micolash

>God Tier
Father Gascoigne
Champion Gundyr
Maiden Astraea
Ornstein & Smough
Fool's Idol
Abyss Watchers
Demon Prince
Darkeater Midir
Old Monk
Kalameet
Sister Friede
Fume Knight
Sinh
Manus
Sir Alonne
Pontiff Sulyvahn
Twin Princes
Ebrietas

>Great Tier
Greatwolf Sif
False King Allant
Mergo's Wet Nurse
Flamelurker
Gwyn
Moon Presence
Burnt Ivory King
Velstadt
Iudex Gundyr
Vordt
Deacons of the Deep
Aldrich
Yhorm
Oceiros
Dragonslayer Armor
Cleric Beast
Vicar Amelia
Demon of Song
Amygdala
Rom
Logarius
Vicar Laurence
Halflight
Sanctuary Guardian
Looking Glass Knight

>>387498519
>>387515074
>Good Tier
Adjudicator
Old Hero
Tower Knight
Maneaters
Storm King
Bell Gargoyles
Quelaag
Gwyndolin
Priscilla
Gravelord Nito
Flexile Sentry
Ruin Sentinels
Lost Sinner
Duke's Dear Freja
Vendrick
Aldia
Elana
Wolnir
Blood Starved Beast
Shadows of Yharnam
Paarl

>Mid Tier
King Allant
Asylum Demon
Armor Spider
Phalanx
Pinwheel
Four Kings
Gaping Dragon
Iron Golem
Seath
Moonlight Butterfly
Taurus
Pursuer
Old Dragonslayer
Executioner's Chariot
Smelter Demon
Smelter Demon (Blue)
Guardian Dragon
Giant Lord
Darklurker
Aava
Curse-Rotted Greatwood
Crystal Sage
Old Demon King
Witch of Hemwick
One Reborn

>Weak Tier
Dirty Colossus
Leechmonger
Penetrator
Vanguard
Capra Demon
Ceaseless Discharge
Centipede Demon
Demon Firesage
Stray Demon
Last Giant
Dragonrider
Dragonriders
Skeleton Lords
Mytha
Old Iron King
Najka
Royal Rat Authority
The Rotten
Throne Watcher & Defender
Nashandra
Ancient Wyvern
Gravetender & Greatwolf
Celestial Emissary
Living Failures

>Shit Tier
Dragon God
Bed of Chaos
Belfry Gargoyles
Covetous Demon
Royal Rat Vanguard
Prowling Magus & Congregation
Ancient Dragon

>>387515002
That is some comfort and I was glad when they mentioned them in one of their sermons. On that note I feel like the Locust Priests were kind of under-utilized as a concept, really.

Now that I think about it, Zullie and Alva are pretty much the most 'classic' love story in Dark Souls, right? (I'm not counting Astrea and Garl)

>>387514553

It's not rocket science. Ludwig has the "Artorias factor" of being a noble badass referenced throughout the main game, and on top of that it's an incredibly fun fight, a huge skill check that gets the blood going, he has a great design, GOAT theme music, and of course that phase-changing cinematic is one of the hypest moments in all of Soulsborne.

All in all I personally found him to be one of the most satisfying boss fights ever.

>>387515074
Move gascoign and bsb down several and old hero up one you're good

>>387503632
>tfw you bait dorkswords into trying to trade with you and end up punishing them heavily

>>387510565
>I beat him on my first try
Anon, everyone has different playstyles, some bosses are easy for some and difficult for others. I beat Maria, Champ Gundyr, Ebrietas, Logarius first try and they are considered hard. But I died 10 times to Moonlight butterfly and 30 times to Gwyn, bosses considered easy. Your level also plays a huge role. I replayed ariandel/old hunter/TRC over 10 times each, and while Gael was easy on my first time playing TRC, I struggled yesterday to beat him in NG+4.

And those games were never about difficulty. Some of my favorite boss fights are piss easy.

>Friede is a rehash of Maria and Gehrman. She actually has rehashed animations of Gehrman. How could you possibly think Friede and Gael are better than Maria and Orphan?
From has ALWAYS rehashed bosses anon, and animations, and sound assets, always. Entire animations loops from the hollow of undead burg are the same the soldiers in 1-1 DeS. Maria can dash like Allant and has the same AoE, and Friede is the same but with a scythe, so what? All three are cool as fuck.

>>387505896
>>387506606
Poise and greatshields are notorious for trivializing most bosses in DaS 1. That's why it was so heavily nerfed in the sequels

>>387503282

You can have a great scythe +5 in 15 minutes plus a pinwheel kill for a mask + his souls heading there right after reaching firelink shrine.

Just summon his godliness, Paladin Leeroy.

>>387515167
Yeah, I believe so. What are all of the Dark Souls love stories? I remember:
>Lautrec and Fina
>Kirk and the Fair Lady
>Artorias and Ciaran
>Manus and Dusk(?)
>Vendrick and Nashandra
>Prince and Princess of those Bell Towers
>Sunken King and Elana
>Raime and Nadalia and the Iron King
>Ivory King and Alsanna
>Alva and Zullie
>Sir Vilhelm and Friede (?)

>>387515469
Why poise? I never found it to be particularly overpowered?

>>387512249
Sif had a very cool cutscene, but the fight itself was mechanically even worse than the giant rat of DaS2.

>>387515663

>the fight itself was mechanically even worse than the giant rat of DaS2.

Yeah that's way hyperbolic, my dude. Sif may be overrated, but he's far better than RRA which is notorious garbage.

>>387515280
>a huge skill check that gets the blood going
He was honestly the easiest boss in the DLC aside from Maria and the failures

>>387515640
Poise lets you trade with bosses and enemies, and if you do enough damage, you'll come out on top every time. From didn't like this, which is why Poise is gone in DaS3 and all the enemies in that game have absurd speed, are 15+ feet tall, have three times your reach or more, and attack as aggressively as possible.

>>387514018
Why is there barely any art of Alva and Zullie? I want something of them exploring the world, but there's nothing

>>387502754
It does matter, my cousin sucked hard at the game and he beated Orphan second try because he was ~120 while I was 80 ~ 90, and I had already killed him once in a different character

>>387515564
>Lautrec and Fina
I'm sure it's just Lautrec being a shit and trying to justify his murderous tendencies. She's probably dead anyways.

>Kirk and the Fair Lady
Forgot about this. One of the better ones though we don't exactly have 100% confirmation it was romantic or not one-sided on Kirk's part. Still, I like it.

>Artorias and Ciaran
Ciaran's lines are a bit ambiguous but I do believe she had feelings for him. A bit underdeveloped but it has a lot of potential.

>Manus and Dusk(?)
Not much here other than some creepy longing I guess?

>Vendrick and Nashandra
Like I said before, Vendrick let his dick get better of him. Though it's still nice that despite it all he still loves Nashandra. I wonder if she actually felt something for him too.

>Prince and Princess of those Bell Towers
Not much here either though it does seem more fairy-tale-ish.

>Sunken King and Elana
Wait was that even a thing?

>Raime and Nadalia and the Iron King
I felt like that was a bit more...platonic if that makes sense? But it's only my own interpretation. Still Nadalia is a nice twist on the Child of Dark thing.

>Ivory King and Alsanna
Literally the purest romance in DS verse. Tragic end as usual but Ivory King literally loved a Child of Dark so much she decided to fuck her mission and stay with him. Top 10 Anime Romances get more at WatchMojo.

>Sir Vilhelm and Friede (?)
I'm sure it's just Vilhelm longing for Friede. If anything he got NTR'd by the huge bird man. But I'm biased because I hate Vilhelm.

>>387498519
how did ludwig end up with the fucking /tv/ meme?

>>387513467
>I don't understand why people like the Gael fight
Soundtrack is audio kino, cutscenes/animations are visual kino, setting/lore/arena are literally the best you could ask for in a final boss fight. Everything is in it.

You're fighting a literally who that's been around since the war with the dragons, a literally who that spent eons in search of the dark soul, just so a little girl can paint a new world. And what's cooler than Gael airflipping like the abyss watchers WHILE shooting his repeating crossbow, WHILE the coolest soundtrack plays, at literally mere minutes before the fire fades. The guy can literally teleport himself using soapstones, what the fuck. And then the fight is over, there is no sun, it's over.

The only thing that could be a more "dark souls experience" and a better ending would be if Miyazaki himself came to your house dressed as Solaire and started fucking you in the ass while yelling "TARKUUSSSSS".

>>387516115
The Children of Dark were all sent to seduce their kings, so I assumed that the Sunken King and Elana had something going on.
Raime just seemed like a white knight for Nadalia, so I included him. Did you know that Nadalia tries to seduce you?

>>387515754
That's why I insisted on "mechanically".
Because they are LITERALLY the same, except Sif has a sword and Giant Rat is faster. Forget the design, the lore, the setting, and the Rat is just a brown Sif.

>>387516395
>Did you know that Nadalia tries to seduce you?

Yeah I heard the lines. It's a neat detail I gotta say.

Wasn't there a mention that Elana got to the Sunken City after it got fucked over though? I mean we don't know a much about the Sunken King either.

>>387516176
Because le memelight shitsword and muh true mentor.

>>387516484
It was Nadalia that got there after the Iron King became the Balrog, wasn't it?
Actually, what the Hell even became of the Sunken King?

>>387515903

Well Ludwig IS the first boss. And I'll give you OoK but Laurence only seems more difficult because of his mountain of HP and poorly-coded hitboxes. You need to fight him more conservatively, stop playing Bloddborne and start playing Dark Souls against him and he becomes much easier, since if you try dashing around him aggressively like other bosses want you to he will almost always hit you with his ridiculous tracking and stupid latent hitboxes.

>>387516620
>It was Nadalia that got there after the Iron King became the Balrog, wasn't it?

Yeah I know that was the case but I think I remember something about Elana being late to the party too? I might be wrong about this.

As for the Sunken King there's next to no info about him. The game hypes up Sihn more.

>>387504064
>the artist never did any other dancer pictures
Really bums me out. And I agree with you, she should've had more story.

>>387516810
Man, fuck Lawrence. Killing him took me longer than the Orphan of Kos
>>387516832
I've seen some theories that the Sunken King was related to Velstadt, but that may just be because Elana summons him

>>387502664
I did the DLC for this first time on ng+, and my character was level 150ish but only because I leveled up every stat and did all the chalice dungeons beforehand

I recommend having a higher vit than 30

I think many bosses excel in different aspects, it's hard to make a list of best without feeling you are being biased or changing your criteria constantly.

>best overall
DeS:False King Allant
DaS:Artorias
DaS2:Dark Lurker
BB:Ludwig
DaS3:Nameless King

>best visuals
DeS:Storm King
DaS:Four Kings
DaS2:Burnt Ivory King
BB:Gherman
DaS3:Gael

>the hardest
DeS:Flamelurker
DaS:Manus
DaS2:Fume
BB:Orphan or (insert bullshit chalice boss of your choice here)
DaS3:Friede

>most interesting
DeS:Old Monk
DaS:Ornstein and Smough
DaS2:Exectuiner's Chariot
BB:Micolash
DaS3:Soul of Cinder

>most underrated
DeS:Old Hero
DaS:Sanctuary Guardian
DaS2:Velstadt
BB:Gascoigne
DaS3:Dragonslayer Armor

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>>387498519
>No Midir
Shit list.

Ivory King deserves a nod because his lore is the coolest in the whole series

Total fucking stud

>>387516832
>Yeah I know that was the case but I think I remember something about Elana being late to the party too?
No, Elana was the Sunken King's Queen for a time before the Drakeblood Knights appeared and woke Sihn up. Since she's a Child of the Dark, Elana survived the Miasma, and used her priestesses to sing the dragon to sleep, planning to amass the souls of those that entered the city and use them, along with the Dragon, to enact vengeance for the loss of her kingdom.

>>387517002
>I've seen some theories that the Sunken King was related to Velstadt, but that may just be because Elana summons him
The most likely explaination for Velstadt and the clone of him summoned by Elana is that both Elana and Nashandra could conjure up guardians. The only opposition to this theory is that Velstadt uses Miracles.

Raime, how is this even a question?

>>387517492
>ywn be as cool as the Ivory "Top Chad" King
How do I fix my life

>>387501958
If Champ couldn't be parried he'd be probably the cleanest fight in the series. He's got that nice aggression to punish chugging and a good moveset to cover most ranges.

Honestly I can only imagine his fight getting even better if he loses his halberd. His fucking punches, kicks and shoulder checks are the hard attacks to avoid, not that other shit.

>>387517505
>No, Elana was the Sunken King's Queen for a time

Alright, my bad I must've missed it. Still, I can only imagine her city being wiped and she just throws up her hands and goes "I guess I'll stay with the dragon then"

S class bosses of each game (according to me, based on a mixture of difficult and coolness)

DS1: Kalameet, O&S, Manus, Artorias
DS2: Darkluker
DS3: Pontiff Sulyvahn, Nameless King, Sister Freide, Midir
BB: Gerhmen, Lady Maria, Orphan, Ludwig

>>387498519
How does /v/ feel about the Lucerne?

>>387518196
A nice weapon that I don't see too often

>>387498519
>False King
>Flame Lurker
>Old Hero
>Maiden Astrea

>Sif
>O&S
>Artorias
>Manus
>Kalameet
>Gwynn

>Mirror Knight
>Sinh
>Fume Knight
>Sir Alonne

>Abyss Watchers
>Pontiff
>Dancer
>Dragonslayer Armour
>THE CHAMP
>Soul of Cinder

>Papa G
>Logarius
>Gehrman
>Hotdog
>HMPH dudes
>Pthumerian Queen
>Ludwig
>Maria
>Orphan

These are the best bosses of each game IMO

>>387518196
>DeS: blunt because hammer
>DaS and DaS3: thrust because pointy bits
>DaS2: slash because ???

>>387505896
>His boss fight is also ridiculously easy if you have any poise at all
Every boss fight in DaS1 is piss easy if you stack poise, shit was beyond retarded levels of broken.

>>387515074
Personally, I think the following about your shit taste: that you want feedback, otherwise you wouldn't have nothered

That said:
>Soul of Cinder
It was good, it wasn't THAT good. I'd knock it down a tier.

>Maiden Astraea
Shit battle desu. Garl Vinland ain't worth shit. I know its feels mostly, but feels ain't reason. Velstadt did it much better just because its the same concept but with an actual boss fight. If Maideb Astraea had dialogue options to transform her into an archdemon or otherwise trigger some kind of bossfight things could be different. As it stands you can have a decent boss fight against Vendrick and awesome against Velstadt or no boss at all.

>Fool's Idol
Conceptually I find this fight similar to Prowling Magus and Crystal Sage, and though its way better than Magus, Fool's Idol is still weak and in no way as offensively threatening as Crystal Sage, who only lacked the annoying revival gimmick Idol had. Neither are God-tier fights mind you.

>Old Monk
It really depends on who you fight. IA-handled, its terrible. It's still one of my favorites though.

>False King Allant
Belongs in God and above. Was really fucking tough, toughest in the game, considering that the other tough combat bosses were Old Hero, Flamelurker and Penetrator.

>Gwyn
I really like this fight, but its a bit like Champion Gundyr. Too easy if you can parry. The same is true for the rest of the game and pvp, so I don't know if its a really good argument.

>Bell Gargoyles
These are the absolute fucking worst. Manhunters is better because you are not expecting it and it really plays with the narrow and dark area, making the fight much more intense. Belfry Gargoyles is also better because it not just a shittier copy-paste of Manhunters and uses the more luminous and open area to the fullest. The higher number of foes really gives the battle a spin while keeping the concept. Manhunters is best though.

>Gwyndolyn
Fucking boring dude.

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>yfw you realize you are the SOC

I really loved the Watchdog in the chalice dungeons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUww_vfVys

>>387519673
>I really loved the Watchdog in the chalice dungeons.
You are the first person I've ever heard say those words

>>387505896
>Why do people like artorias so much?
Because it's like you're fighting Berserk armour Guts.
Manus is a far better boss though and my favourite fight in the entire game

Who was the most powerful character in their prime?

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>>387519364
he looks kind of like neo cortex

>>387519316
>Burnt Ivory King
Everything about this battle is pure unironically pure kino. The only Soulsborne boss that encaptures the feeling of a true battle. Pretty challenging and plays beatifully.

>Deacons
Fool's Idol does it better

>Adjudicator
Really like the design and atmosphere, but unless you panic, this boss is laughable.

>Lost Sinner
Great tier imo, the arena can be interacted with and the fight itself is pretty tough and fun. Pyromancers in NG+ turn this into more or less Manhunters 2.0: Now Without Ledges to Fall Off From. People should really try beat this gal in the dark btw, way more intense.

>Freja
Really liked this fight, its one of the better done giant monster that is not a dragon fights. Would bump it up a tier.

>Elana
Very tough fight, one of the most fun to coop alongside Ornstein and Smought. It's not that good, but it deserves the Great Tier for sure.

>>387520148
Gwyn or Ivory King. Both of them did shit that no other character has been able to do, and even as burnt out husks they're still capable combatants.

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>>387520040
Might be your last too, kid.

>>387520545
Seeing how powerful Namless King was, there's no doubt that Gywn would have been godlike in his prime

>>387509519
>looking-glass knight
>vordt
Nigger you chose these over
>artorias
>nameless
>manus
>kalameet
>sihn
>midir
>gael
>friede
>ivory king
what the fuck

>>387517492
>Is so alpha that he turns a fragment of motherfucking MANUS into his cute and loving waifu
Absolute fucking champ

>>387520779
I think Vendrick might have been even stronger. Only having the vengeful souls of titans makes it possible to match his debased form, so imagine fighting him at the top of his combat prowess, when he also still had control over all the great souls, which is something Gwyn never had.

I think its safe to assume that Lord of Cinder beats all though, since lorewise his power can only rise.

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>>387519673

>I really loved the Watchdog in the chalice dungeons.

I...you what?

>>387520779
Well nos hit, you see him wreck an entire flock (school, pack, murder??) of supposedly immortal dragons by himself in the intro of DaS1.
Dude didn't fuck around.

>>387516028
Yeah I trade blows with bosses but it's not like I don't take damage, quite a bit against bosses

>>387521684
>>387520040
His first encounter is alright. He has a cool presentation, good music, and a varied moveset with multiple phases
Defiled can suck a big juicy one though.
He has the most health of ANY game in the entire series.
https://pastebin.com/88SBSPjY

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>>387498519
I think Artorias and Ludwig are super overrated, I killed them both on my first try and thought they were boring as hell. My top 5 is:
1. Gerhman
2. Ornstein and Smough
3. Champion Gundyr
4. Manus
5. Orphan of Kos

>>387522045
>covetous demon has more health than Artorias

>>387520559
Y-yamate!!

>>387521506
Well to be fair he had the fortune of finding the waifubait fragment of Manus, the one who was the embodiment of fear and who wanted to be spooned by a protector figure from the get-go

>>387523547
>implying he couldn't make any girl 10/10 waifu material through his sheer Chad-ness

>>387503281
I also suck at souls games and I've managed to solo through all of them, including BB and every DLC.
Still can't win a fair pvp fight after all this time and I keep dying to enemies way below my level when playing offline.

Even if you deal no damage, you just have to learn the boss attack patterns and smash roll/dodge/parry at the right times to win. Low damage just means you have to keep on top of your game for longer.

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>>387522797
Gehrman is the best overall
I you get in a good rhythm with him its like some "top 10 anime battles" shit