Unpopular vidya opinions thread I'll start: if a game isn't

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Bioshock Infinite is one of the best story driven games ever, and has the best gameplay loop of said story driven games.

Albw>alttp. I love both though
Mgsv tpp is a good game
I like turn based rpgs
Code veronica is one of the best re games
Ds3 is the best souls game

DKC>DKC2
The gamecube is overrated as fuck

>>387476712
Ocarina of time isn't very good

Shadow the Hedgehog is the best 3D Sonic game at least until 06, haven't played any after that one. It's basically what everyone always asked for, a game featuring only "sonic" levels. You can ignore the shooting and vehicles through the game if you want and it has multiple levels depending on the objectives adding replay value.

Story is just as important as gameplay

N64 has about three good games.

>>387476712
rts and mobas are boring.

>>387477270
I love Infinite too anon. I get why a Bioshock fan might not like it but I still love it regardless

BotW is not a good Zelda game
It's, at best, a decent open-world game
It's not the direction the series should go in

>>387479105
.cont
none of them are Zelda

The ESRB rating is the only thing keeping faming from being a shitshow.

>>387479105
Majora's mask, smash 64, mario kart?

>>387476712

I legitimately think Nioh is superior to the Souls series in every way aside enemy diversity.

>>387479105
Alright, this is just bullshit. The only thing it lacks is JRPGs

the souls series is kinda shit

>>387479375
the souls series is fucking terrible, i really like difficult games and cant figure out why people like those games

>>387479184

Explain further

>>387479195
>Majora's mask
shit
>Smash 64
boring
>Mario Kart
thats one

>>387479375
>>387479475
Would you guys care to expand on why you dislike those games?

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Turn based is incredibly fun and more games should use it. Sadly most turn based rpgs now are shitty low budget weebshit games.

>>387479605
I'm a Souls fanboy, don't be the douchebag who asks this shit. The thread is for their opinion and they gave it. All you're going to get is a pissing match internet argument and you know it. Let them dislike it without being a bitch about it.

>>387479605
I felt the combat didn't really feel good, as well as the difficulty seemed to just turn to frustration, its cool being tough, i like it a lot, but after playing a bunch and never getting a checkpoint began to really annoy me

but I will accept im a pleb and maybe i just didn't see the positives

Fallout 4 was good even if not nearly as much as the other entries in the series.

>>387476712
Literally Dark Souls.

>>387479739

He calmly asked a question. I believe you are the one being a bitch

>>387476712
Big Zombie Survival like DayZ isn't fun, it's just annoying

>>387479517
fuck I wanna guess the other two now
Diddy Kong Racing
Perfect Dark

The original Xbox was the best console of the 6th generation. It's and unique lineup of exclusives was like nothing before or since. Plus the definitive versions of console multiplats.

>>387479229
I respectfully disagree, although I did enjoy Nioh alot. I think it carries too much RPG on its shoulders, if they ditched the time-crunching loot mechanic and simplified the leveling system the experience would be more pristine.

>>387476712
Xenogears is quite possibly the worst JRPG ever made, if not the worst game ever made

>>387479952
Conkers Bad Fur Day, Bomberman 64

>>387480065
Look I think the game is massively overrated but that's comically hyperbolic.

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>>387480085
i mean i guess they're good games but to say that it's the n64's only good games would make sense why this would be in an unpopular opinion thread

>>387480180
why are you talking like an anime character

I like Skyrim's leveling system, and I think perks are a have a better feeling of progression than pure skills and attributes do.

>>387476712
>game isn't fun for people who aren't good at it

LITERALLY DESCRIBES EVERY GAME EVER MADE, YOU FUCKING MORON

>>387479739
What is the point of sharing your opinion if you're not ready to have it challenged? What is the point of posting at all if you're not willing to have a dialog with other users? And besides, I asked the question in the most polite way possible specifically because I didn't want to come off as someone trying to defend the Souls games, but simply someone interested in another person's opinion. Even when someone is calm and civilized you still find a way to be upset, that's rather impressive.

>>387479757
Thanks

>>387480065
It's shit but even as someone who dislikes it I wouldn't say its that bad. Try Beyond the Beyond, you'll think Xenogears is a fucking masterpiece compared to that garbage.

I found Demon's Souls to be the weakest in the series

>>387476712
What games are fun even if you're utter trash at the game?

Hotline Miami 2 is better than the first game
Souls games feel sluggish to control
GTA IV shits on every good thing in the series and is just a boring bowl of shit

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>>387476712
bloodborne is worse than dark souls 2

>>387480531
Stop doing this

>>387480317

I didnt want to be mean in a unpopular opionion thread but i agree. I guess it depends on how bad you are. If youre so bad at a game you cant finish it, you arent going to like it much even if its good

Life is Strange is a genuinely good game

>>387480486
>Souls games feel sluggish to control
that's the point, jimmy neutron

>>387480652
i thought /v/ liked LiS

Ghost Trick is average at best

>>387480769
Every time I see it brought up it's shit on and called tumblr garbage

valiant hearts is underrated, deserves 10/10 cause it's a masterpiece

>heart-wrenching story-line, emphatic art design, >and emotional OST
>all wrapped up into a puzzle adventure platform

and that ending... OH GOD THE FEELS

I like video games.

Persona girls look ugly.

>>387480795
oddly enough gameinformer was the only publication at the time to give ghost trick an average score (6/10).

>>387480841
The board was flooded with threads when the last episode released. It was on the level of the first walking dead game.

>>387479156
No, it's just flat out bad.

Oblivion is awful, I'd rather play Skyrim for 100 hours than Oblivion for 10.
Until Dawn was a worthwhile experience.
System Shock 2 is overrated.
NieR: Automata is GOTY 2017.
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>DaS2>DaS2Scholar

>>387481124
>DaS2>DaS2Scholar
elaborate

>>387479475
they're not difficult. just tedious. and not even in the way old games were. those games broke your heart and left you sobbing in a corner. souls games are just dull and repetitive in the worst possible way. each game just feels like you're shooting a movie, and if you stray too far from the script (you know, to have fun) the director shouts "CUT! I said to jump backwards when he lunges, then thrust with your sword! I can't work with these people!"

dunno if unpopular but portal 1 >>>>>>>> portal 2

>>387479116
RTS being boring IS a popular opinion you know

>>387481252
that actually popular because people used to let yahtzee do their thinking for them for years.

Level design > mechanics

Your game could control better than any other and the mechanics could be the most ambitious, innovative shit ever but that means fuck all if the level design is shit. A fantastic example of great mechanics but shit level design? Resident Evil 6. Good gameplay is ultimately a well developed synthesis of the two concepts but I'd rather have a game that plays like shit but has good level design than the other way around.

>>387480795

That's pretty unpopular 'round these parts.

>>387481124
I wouldn't say the two last ones are unpopular,(aside from DaS2>DaS2SotF) just strongly contested.

Genesis was better than SNES.

>>387481185
More enemies=/=better
More hippos=shit

>>387481124

I agree with all of that except id rather play oblivion than skyrim

>>387480025
most of them. there were a few it missed. but easily close second for me. GC being last obviously.

>>387481356
i agree with this. RE6 is like having a cool action figure without all the props you'd find in commercials to make use of it.

Icycalm has the best taste in videogames.

>>387481356
this
I'd say a good balance between the two is RE4 and Bloodborne

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Fire Emblem was only good from Awakening onwards.

>>387481398
i've grown to like the genesis a lot more in recent years as my taste in jrpgs plummeted but my taste in action games skyrocketed.

>>387476712
Metroid was the original SJW pandering

Yooka-Laylee was alright and delivered exactly what it promised.

>>387476712
Tactics is the only good fallout game and Arena is the only good elder scrolls game

>>387481791
I'm okay with.this. Except tactics isn't that great either. A bunch if bugged perks was shitty

Undertale had a boring plot.

>>387481791
Coincidentally, Tactics is also the only good Final Fantasy game. I'd count Mana and SaGa as they originally began as FF spinoffs

Mario Odyssey's realistic city was a great idea that makes the game stand out and look fun and interesting.

>>387481893
undertale sucks

organized competitive gaming is one of the nails in gamings coffin

999 is not that good.I liked it but there's too many inconsistencies and the pacing is strange
>Let me tell you this random fact I've heard/read while we freeze to death

>>387477270
That's not an unpopular opinion outside of /v/
And while we're at it you have shit taste mate

>>387476712
Pikmin 3 played like shit compared to 1&2.
Mario Galaxies 1&2 are the best Mario games.
Mario Kart in general is boring.
CSGO is the least shitty popular multiplayer game alive today.
StarCraft remastered is actually pretty fun.
FPS>Graphics/Resolution.

Every time I try to play PST I get too bored to continue before I even leave the main city for the first time.

>>387481958
More appropriately, comp streaming seems to be a litmus test of who actually loves playing versus who loves watching. No wonder it got on ESPN; sports fans have a similar divide.

Brawl is the best SSB game.

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Danganronpa > Ace Attorney > Zero Escape

Neverland deserved to die. Despite my love for Lufia 1 and 2, they didnt know what to do with it, and Rune Factory is better in the hands of others.

i honestly don't get people who proclaim eastern games as the only good video games.
why does almost every western title have to be a fucking sports/fps game? why are shitty indie developers the only ones who attempt to create something different? reminder i said DIFFERENT not GOOD
super mario 64 aged like fucking milk. shitty camera, poor graphics (not for the time though), i could go ON. the DS version fixed some of the problems but not the shitty camera problem.
e-sports is fucking absurd. just call it competitive gaming.
japanese game devs aren't your friends. they won't cater to your shitty disgusting waifu fantasies unless they see $$$ in it.
super smash bros melee is a PARTY GAME.

There's nothing wrong with e-sports

>>387482182
On what degree do you believe this?
From liking it now for what it is or wanting it on the Olympics type of madness?

Breath of the Wild is an overrated walking simulator

Nintendo sucks and needs to either die or leave the industry.

>>387482182
there is something wrong with that - though

no reason to put a random - look at the AP style guide if you need a reason to stop using it

also no capital S shits dumb

>>387482182
Thats not an unpopular opinion, there are millions of viewers of dozens of really popular esports

Double or triple fights in Souls games generally are the best since you have to adapt to way more unique situations that can occur when two different attack line up or come directly after each other, unlike one-on-one fights which rarely bring anything new after the first or second try.

i dont like THING

>>387478812
>Albw>alttp
>Mgsv tpp
>Ds3

nigga I dont know what the fuck youre talking about

>>387482538

motherfucker say that to my face and not online and see what happens

>>387482613

Not even that anon but:

A Link Between Worlds
A Link to the Past
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Dark Souls 3

lurk moar

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>>387482538
gtfo my board

Developers banning players from their online games if they're acting hostile or harassing other players is perfectly fine.

>>387476712
persona is garbage

>>387482613

Sorry. There are way too many video games in the world to be using abbreviations like that

Zelda a link between worlds> a link to the past
Metal gear solid 5 the phantom pain
Dark souls 3

>>387482797

Most people capable of common sense and baseline empathy for others would agree with this.

>>387482489
I don't think this is unpopular, but it's just that it really depends on how it's done and a good deal of multiple enemy bosses aren't done well.
Like O&S is brilliant because it's two completely different enemies, causing you to have a whole assortment of things to be on your toes and look out for. But then there's something like the Ruin Sentinels which is the same dude copypasted three times. The latter just comes off as extremely lazy isn't remembered fondly because of it.

>>387482797
tripwire please
i agree but only if they constantly shit the community up

Ds1>Ds2>Demon's>Ds3

I don't want an auction house in PoE, I use it but I could live without poe.trade too.

The Stanley Parable is terrible.

Bad Company 2 was by far the best Battlefield game.

Brothers: A tale of two sons is terrible.

Chapter 2 is the best Witcher 1 chapter.

>>387482797
Define "acting hostile"

>>387482797
You actually sign a contract in most online games,so it's perfectly fine to ban if harassment is against the rules

Video games don't have to be fun.

The first Witcher game is fucking amazing, especially with all the stuff they put into the game despite working out of a janitor's closet, and they even managed to make the graphics look good despite already being outdated at the time of production. Its UI was 90% flawless, its RPG elements were great, and the sound direction was fantastic. I still smile realizing the detective had become a bad guy by my medallion vibrating near the guy, and having no other clues besides that.

>>387482797

Agreed unless its some dumb shit like banning someone for stream sniping

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>>387482024
>That's not an unpopular opinion outside of /v/
>And while we're at it you have shit taste mate
probably - I remember when it first came out and /v/ was going nuts over the 3deep5u ending and the cut down to 2 weapons, neither of which really matter that much. I just think it's an incredibly well executed game on near every aspect.

>>387479149
Bioshock 1/2 do some things better, I reckon they have more interesting audio logs and some of the powers are cooler, and I can see why people might like the more depressing and gloomy atmosphere. Ultimately Infinite is the better game though

>>387483161
That's harassment

>>387483039
>Bad Company 2 was by far the best Battlefield game.
This is not an unpopular opinion

Third Strike and MvC2 were never good.

>>387483229
how so?

>>387483083
Constantly telling girls to fuck off and that they aren't allowed to play the game.
Telling people to kill themselves if they're bad at the game, or if they use cheap tactics.

Two examples from the top of my head, which I frequently see people on /v/ defend.

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>>387483229

>shooting someone in pubg is harassment

>>387479105
bullshit.

>>387483161
Stream sniping is fine by me.
If you don't want the attention then play on your own.

>>387481565
true. re4 is pretty much just the same thing over and over in different scenarios.

>>387483348
Only newfags think acting like they're on 4chan outside of 4chan is acceptable

PT was shit and only appealed to ecelebs trying to get a quick buck.
If SH was to be anything like it then it would be doomed.

>>387478961
it's Nintendo's Magnum Opus or at least one of them and it had a massive impact for whatever came after, advent of 3D games or not, it was very influential. so I'd appreciate if you completely reevaluate your shit opinion at once.

>>387476712
>if a game isn't fun for people who aren't good at it, it probably isn't very good
That makes no fucking sense.

Nier Automata is overhyped trash with simple controls.
Prey 2 is literally the most innovative FPS we have had in the last seven years.
"Alpha" states in development do not retroactively excuse shitty games.

NieR: Automata had one of the most unlikable casts of characters I've ever seen and people legitimately give the game too much slack because of 2B's design.

>>387479156
I very much agree.

>>387476712
>if a game isn't fun for people who aren't good at it, it probably isn't very good

I'd consider this untrue for multiplayer games. If a multiplayer game doesn't have the depth to allow long time players to completely shatter new players than it's probably not a good multiplayer game. The only way multiplayer games can have longevity is by having depth, and an MP game without depth is not worth putting a lot of time into.

>>387479242
>>387483369
It lacked JRPGs, horror games, fighting games, stealth games, and Metroidvanias. It had a decent library but it seriously lacked third party support and the PS1 just had a much better library.

>>387477270
Infinite is my singular biggest regretful purchase. Goddamn is it preachy bullshit. Yes we know what a dystopia is. Yes we know rascism is bad. Fuck off

>>387482398
no, they absolutely don't because they comfortably fill a niche where they cater towards kids and young adults and where they have their own quality standards without tossing their IPs into some 3rd party abyss which will only produce bad or mediocre games .

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>>387480425
Ninja Gaiden 2 comes to my mind. I really suck at the game, but it's fun as hell.

Trophies and achievements are fun additons to games that can drive you further or compare your accomploshments with friends

As long as they arnt taken autistically and arnt the sole reason you play vidya

Telltale games dating back to the first Walking Dead have always been shit. The one thing they're meant to be good at, they aint.

1080p is still perfectly fine for a 23-28" screen
720p is still perfectly fine for a 4-10" screen
4k is only worth it on 55" and above TVs

>>387483714
it's mostly only like that in the beginning until the Vox Populi become as big a bunch of assholes as the Church, playing through I always felt that was only a side narrative. It's a valid complaint though, I can see why that would turn people off

I liked Dark Souls 2. It improved on several points that DS1 was missing, and there were only few if somewhat significant bad parts. DS3 did not improve on anything in particular, and was sorely missing on some of the stuff DS2 added, while not really offering anything new that DS1 lacked.

>>387483914
>It improved on several points that DS1 was missing
such as?

>>387480025
Not an unpopular opinion, just a wrong opinion.

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>>387476712
>High skill/knowledge floor makes a game bad
I know OP is baiting but actually holding that viewpoint is what makes you a casual

>>387483685
>It lacked JRPGs, horror games, fighting games, stealth games, and Metroidvanias. It had a decent library but it seriously lacked third party support and the PS1 just had a much better library.

that's not wrong but coming from what that guy originally said though: "hurrdurr it only has like 3 good gaems".

well, variety of genres doesn't necessarily mean better games automatically. PS1 also had a lot of shovelware bullshit that sucked or too many games where one game principle was repeated ad nauseum and stayed on a basic ass and barren level without any chance of them ever becoming a game that will be great. Nintendo did make a difference there, less variety or not.

>>387483971
Power-stancing, spell selection, pharros stones were an interesting addition which they could have improved upon, same for the rat covenant and boss invasions. DS2's NG+ was the best in the series, actually adding new shit rather than just numbers. Liquids such as poisons sticking to your character and covering you if you rolled through it made shit like poison swamps and urns interesting, and the way being covered in water reduced your fire damage taken was pretty cool. There's probably a number of other things, but those are some off the top of my head, all of which DS3 removed again.

>>387480025
>The original Xbox was the best console of the 6th generation.

that was the PS2 though and here everybody realizes that.

>>387477270
If Bioshock Infinite was a car the government would need to step in to prevent people from killing themselves

Like what the fuck. Poorly handled themes of racism? Bullet sponges? Two weapon limits? Did someone pull Levine aside and ask him to fuck everything up or what

>>387483579
OoT had a huge impact and was an amazing game, but every 3D Zelda after MM was honestly mediocre at best.

I loved Wind Waker when it released but the game is about 40% sailing through an empty ocean. Twilight Princess is also fairly dull when outside of dungeons and it has horrible 1 use items for link, not to mention the final boss is all spectacle and not really fun to fight.

Skyward Sword is a legit boring game. The overworld sucks, the sky is more empty than WW's sea, the combat sucks, the items suck, most of the bosses are dull, it's just a goddamn mess.

Hearing Vinny say SS was a good game and just a bad Zelda game made me fucking cringe, Zelda fans are the most delusional fanbase out there.

>>387483039
Bad Company 2 has pretty much the same depth as CoD. Granted headshots are worth the effort in BC2 you can still very easily spray people to death at range with SMGs and rifles.

I went back and revisited BC2 and it shocked me at how goddamn shallow the game was, and I never really noticed it back in the day because I used to have a "don't use cheap weapons" mentality.

>>387484112
The N64 marked the downfall of Nintendo consoles being the best console that generation man. Also people always throw the same shit at the PS1 without backing it up, it's always "PS1 had too much shovelware" and "N64 didn't have a lot of good games, but they were legit 10/10s".

The N64 was good, but if you didn't look into the PS1 you honestly missed out on a fucking ton of amazing games.

I have a really hard time thinking of an unpopular opinion I would have.

I don't think I have any.

oh wait, maybe this one:
I think FF6 is alright but I prefer more modern FF games like FF12 because they simply have more variety in gameplay features whereas FF6 was far more simplistic in its execution.

I don't think this is unpopular either, it's just the truth but this board here has nostalgia googles on for some retro stuff like you wouldn't even believe.

NV looks bad, plays bad, and is basically an expansion of FO3 with worse locations. A 7/10 if youre being generous a 6/10 if youre being realistic.

SF4 killed street fighter

>>387480025
It's underrated and it's for sure better than the gamecube, but the PS2 just had a better library.

Also Halo CE is brutally overrated here. The interior segments on a lot of stages consist of copy and pasted rooms that are very dull to look at. The game also has a tendency to spawn enemies behind you to make it harder, which is just cheap and annoying. The two weapon carry limit fucks you over in a few ways, trying to hang onto a power weapon means you're going to have to completely rely on your secondary weapon to carry you and to kill elites, which can be a total pain.

It's not a bad game but it's not on par with Quake, HL1, or any of the other really amazing FPS games. I downloaded 2 but I'm somewhat hesitant to check it out thanks to how many retards claim CE has the best campaign. I think that might largely be nostalgia though.

>>387484516
I felt that FF6 was okay too, and I enjoyed Chrono Trigger and Earthbound much more. I also lost my save for FF6 and then quickly lost interest in the game.

>>387484374
>but if you didn't look into the PS1 you honestly missed out on a fucking ton of amazing games.

but I do know the PS1 well by now but the general consensus about the differences of these console libraries isn't exactly wrong either. since this is /v/, these remarks are just gonna be too hyperbolic as usual.

>>387484291
>Bullet sponges?
I played through again recently on hard and at least now this isn't really a problem. Some of the perks you get make you OP as shit. Between the +50% critical hit perk, the upgraded crows ability, and the upgraded possession ability, the only enemies that were an actual pain were the handymen and the mother boss. It's nowhere near as bad as something like Borderlands or The Division where you pump an enemy full of headshots and they still don't die. 1 headshot from a rifle in Infinite is enough to kill any unarmored enemies.

>Two weapon limits?
you keep the ammo from every weapon type, two weapon limit forces you to move around more since you need to change weapons.

>Poorly handled themes of racism?
I'll give you that. Ken Levine was a little too ambitious and over the top when it came to the racism stuff.

EYE is shit

>>387484793
it has a lot of untapped potential. I felt that it really lacked variety of levels. there should be more fields and more missions as well. it feels a bit short and then if you replay it for different endings, you just mostly go over the same areas and missions again.

I think FF Tactics Advance 1 and 2 are better than the original FF Tactics game.

it's the artstyle of the portraits as well.

>FF Tactics: every character looks bored out of their fucking minds
>FF TA: vibrant, fun, more detailed and well-drawn character portraits

and then FF TA was more approachable and open and not so fucking dour. plus, it had Bangaa and Moogle races to choose from additionally. afaik FFT was only humes. that's such a missed opportunity imo. I don't have the patience for the original either. it's just boring and I like to play the others more because they are way easier to get into.

>>387484793
It's overrated here, but it does do some things right. Gunplay feels solid with unarmored enemies going down quickly and armored ones requiring AP guns and the spells and melee options give you some nice additions to mix shit up.

The level design is still shitty though, and before I knew to use the big sniper against choppers I was fucking annoyed at how spongey they were.

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The N64 is a bad console and people only like it because they were too young to realize it runs like shit.

The souls series is severely overrated (not bad though)

RTS genre died for a reason and mobas are even worse

Botw is the greatest open world rpg ever made. Morrowind is second.

>>387484758
>these remarks are just gonna be too hyperbolic as usual.

You typically don't get replies here unless you're being hyperbolic as fuck. Also two groups of people tend to form very strong opinions with little to no information to back them up, these are autistic people and stupid people. I've known two guys on steam that fall into these categories, one said Dead Rising was shit because it had time limits despite him never playing the game, and the other said all console games were shit despite never owning a console (he also thought drugs were strictly for degenerate before college, now that he's in college he's high on pills and weed every day).

These people make up a huge portion of /v/.

Kingdom hearts is shit

>>387486631
That's not unpopular.

Despite lacking so much in so many areas, Skyrim is still one of the best open world RPGs I have played in years. If you can get a heavily modded, stable Skyrim, it's one of the best experiences you'll have.

The Souls series are the epitome of overrated, and made worse by the toxic community.

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>>387476712
You should stop playing a game if it stops being fun.

>>387481440
t. couldn't get past forest of the fallen giants

The Witcher 3 has one of the most boring and generic stories of any game I've played, complete with the most Mary Sue of any Mary Sue as the main character and the worst part is I don't even get to play as her for most of the game. I'm just doing boring sidequests in an attempt to catch up to her.

People saying that things are "bad design" 99% of the time have no idea what the fuck they're talking about and nobody should care about their opinion on anything

Chrono Cross had a better story than Chrono Trigger

Mother's 3 narration is complete shit and made me cringe so hard it actively turned me off the story

None of the versions of Xrd are good fighting games so far.

Dark souls and all its clones are awfull action games and any game with a roll-dodge that is full of iframes generally is similarly terrible because it completely removes positioning from the equation, you're just expected to time your button presses to match the timing of the attack with no regards to where you actually are on the screen because it doesn't matter, every attack will be designed to take half the screen and home in on you anyway.

>>387487181
>People saying that things are "bad design" 99% of the time have no idea what the fuck they're talking about
care to give an example to back your point?

>>387487232
Not him but a lot of people use it out of frustration, despite it being bad design or not and others defend it despite it as well. Ex1: Wavedash in Melee is bad design, but Melee fans defend it. Ex2: Melee attack in CoD instakills is good design, but people will say it's not.

>>387487232
People just say whatever they dislike is bad design, literally. They don't understand what "bad design" actually means, or what design means for that matter.

>>387486814
Pretty sure people do that naturally already.

>>387487714
>They don't understand what "bad design" actually means, or what design means for that matter.
What does it mean then?

Only the first Stronghold is truly good, because all of the rest are giant spamfests and 3d pig evacua.

>>387487617
>Ex1: Wavedash in Melee is bad design, but Melee fans defend it. Ex2: Melee attack in CoD instakills is good design, but people will say it's not.
explain. the sky isn't pink just because you say it is.

>>387476712
Out of all the shitty pseudo-strategy/turn-based jrpgs out there, it confounds me how the agonizing shitshow game-restarting FE series got so god damn popular. I'll admit, my hatred for this game is spurred slightly out of my local group fawning over every spewed release like a religious cult.

I have tried multiple times to try and play the different trending titles for their sakes so I don't feel so out in the cold every fucking time one of these trash heap sequels rolls around but it is just SO GOD DAMN BORING. How is this game enjoyable for anyone? What am I missing in this series? Is it a matter of dedication? Do I need to "dedicate" a certain duration of disappointment to enjoy it? Is it the waifus? I don't get it anon...tell me why you like this series.

>>387487861
at its core design elements are meant to support and strenghen the experience the designer is trying to give the audience
design elements that do that are good, design elements that detract from it are bad
that means that judging designe elements in a vacuum is retarded because no element is bad or good in a vacuum, it all depends on the intent and what the experience is trying to accomplish

People will call design elements that make them "waste time" like live systems or scarce checkpoint system "bad design" because they'd rather have an option to retry a boss they failed immediately, but they're completely missing the point of why those live systems or checkpoints are there in the first place

>>387488059
>why those live systems or checkpoints are there in the first place
and that is?

>>387483714
the real moral of the story is not to let foreigners in in the first place. kind of like how bioshock's real moral is that jews are all batshit in various ways.

>>387487918
Wavedashing was never meant to be in the game, inherently bad design. Melee instakilling is balanced against guns as they don't instakill unless it's a headshot but are ranged meanwhile a melee is too short a range to justify it not instakilling as you would stab then the opponent would turn and shoot, especially with FPS awful melee lengths.

>>387488280
that would depend on the game now wouldn't it you fucking idiot
now are you gonna stop your little bitch-ass passive agressive bit and try to make a point like a man, or can I safely ignore your beta posts from now on ?

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Sonic R is a good game

>>387488058
the great stories.

>>387487617
>>387487714
That's pretty agreeable. People seem to get this "DSP syndrome" were they get frustrated and claim a game has bad design because they're bad at the game.

Still, CoD has worse examples of bad mechanics, low the super low recoil and the very low headshot damage multiplier.

>>387488059
>that means that judging designe elements in a vacuum is retarded

I can kinda agree there, weapon durability and time limits are both things that people consider bad game design but their inclusion into Dead Rising make the game better for it. I mean some mechanics will always be bad, but trying to judge everything in a vacuum is dumb.

>like live systems or scarce checkpoint system "bad design"

Depends on the game and how it's executed honestly. I died much, much more in Super Castelvania 4 than I did in Sonic 1 and yet I found Sonic 1 more stressful because of how limited lives and continues were. I much prefer the difficulty to stem from the gameplay being hard and less from the fact that I need to manage scarce lives in a less difficult gameplay setting, and I'm really glad games in general have moved away from the whole lives and game overs that make you restart the entire game. I just see it as a meh way to add difficulty.

A lot of the criticism Persona 5's story comes from people who are legitimately stupid and didn't understand it.

Especially on /v/

>>387488585
no, it's just really basic and boring. 4 was better in every way.

>>387488485
Why don't you give examples then? Or are you just going to spout ad-homs from now on?

I can play and enjoy mediocre games, then discuss them in a civil manner.

>>387486254
yeah, I know what you mean. that reminds me of that time when I had to kick and block a guy that I befriended from a /v/ thread because he went full autist over a game review I wrote on steam and then went overboard with wrong facts and analysis anyway and since he seemed kinda rude in the chat from the very beginning back then, I really had to kick him for good. I probably will never add anybody from this site to my steam friendslist ever again.

Saying literally automatically makes you sound like a faggot.

>>387488846
the word literally has lost all meaning

>>387488664
You don't even fucking know what an ad-hominem is you fucking brainlet
pro-tip : insulting you is not an ad-hominem

>>387479689
I agree
I'm pretty sad that most recent rpgs now are moving away from the traditional turn based combat into some kind of action hybrid

>>387488896
The fact that you still have yet to give an example of why lives/checkpoints exist in games has proven to me that you have just a little idea of what you're talking about in game design as the people you previously criticized.

>>387483819
I think most action hack and slash games like Ninja Gaiden are fun even though I'm absolutely terrible at them

>>387488527
yeah, I can see that.

My buddy once told me that the pinnacle of another friend's divergence in interests to my own was a matter of narrative oriented games. I don't play VNs or many JRPGs in general but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good story. I do probably value gameplay more.

I don't have a true basis for gauging the FE stories since I can never keep with game long enough to see too much development, but another jrpg series my friends herald is the tales of Xia series, which I am not fond of BECAUSE the stories of the ones I played were utter garbage. The gameplay of the one's I played were fun though. Also, this doesn't mean I think jrpg narratives are the same, but I am seeing if there's some sort of basis to compare.

That said, does that mean you don't value the gameplay in anyway? Like it's the stories that make these games worth playing?

the only reason handhelds exist is because of kids or bus/subway riders

>>387488846
I literally don't care what you think

>>387489249
I was just speculating. that must be it though. the story and colorful cast of characters. everything else is just "good enough". I'm guessing it's like persona in that regard. of course the later games are largely due to waifu stuff. then I guess more recent fans retroactively decide they love the older games too.

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>>387489053
jesus christ the sad thing is that you actually believes this shit
Okay here's one example you pompous bitch
Arcade games that are built upon challenging the player to finish a gauntlet of challenges with limited room for error use live systems to ration the amount of errors the player is allowed to make. That kind of design is replicated in old console games like contra or sonic.
Alternatively, in games like super mario world or megaman, live systems are used locally within a given level to limit progression untill the player is sufficiently proficient in a given level. It's good design in megaman because each level has unique challenges, a boss at the end and no real way to stockpile lives, which emphasizes that each level is a challenge in itself. On the other hand, its terrible design in SMW, because levels are not sufficiently unique or challenging to justify the need to have lives inside them, on top of the game providing an easy way to stockpile lives in between levels, trivializing the point of the mechanic in the first place

now fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of, you're a fucking joke

I don't understand how people like Hollow Knight. Played a few hours and the only thing that it has going for it are the graphics and music.

>>387483579
> it had a massive impact for whatever came after, advent of 3D games or not, it was very influential
So was Goldeneye 64. What's your point ? That because a game was popular and changed the way the industry crafted a particular genre means that "it was a very good game ?

What about Candy Crush ?

>>387482109
Might even be true.
If you don't look at the game individually, and keep it franchise comparisons, you're PROBABALY right.

>>387483131
>Unpopular opinion thread
>Posts a popular opinion
It's also a correct opinion.

>>387482109
Ace Attorney>Zero Escape(minus Zero Time Dilemma)>Danganronpa>>>Zero Time Dilemma

>>387489656
It's just a classic Metroidvania. No fancy bells and whistles outside what you just mentioned. It follows the formula to a T, so I can understand why certain people have a gripe with the fanatical fanbase heralding it as a revolutionary masterpiece.

Still, I find it no less enjoyable that some sort of extension of metroid or castlevania. It really does meet the expectations even if it fails to exceed them. The art direction, music, and atmospheric tone the game sets is what should be valued. The only place the game comes up short is probably in terms of narrative. Plot and environmental storytelling features are pretty cut and paste.

If you like Metroid, and want to play Metroid without replaying it again, go play this game. If you don't, then don't bother with it. I personally found my 30 hr playthrough enjoyable from a very modest standpoint.

>>387489656
Hollow Knight takes a while to get rolling. Once you get the dash on top of the magic shot the game's combat gets a lot better. Eventually shit starts feeling like a Mega Man Zero game with a great healing system and a neat magic system.

The start of the game is exceedingly slow though, and the first few bosses are very generic and boring.

>>387490020
Nah. Any Danganronpa title is better than Any Ace Attorney game. That alone messes up your scaling.
Next: 999 is better than any Ace Attorney game. However, AA has better gameplay than 999...
Finally, both DR games are better than VLR

These are facts. It comes down to opinions how to determine if 999 is better than DR1 or DR2.

>>387490172
Nah. Any Ace Attorney title is better than Any Danganronpa game. That alone messes up your scaling.
Next:Trials and Tribulation is better than any Zero Escape game.However, ZE has better gameplay than Trials.
Finally, both AA Investigations are better than DR.

These are facts. It comes down to opinions how to determine if 999 is better than DR1 or DR2.

>>387490081
Fair enough, I planeed on playing more. I do want more Metroid, but coming off Environment Station Alpha, I feel it's lacking.
I also found not having a map at the start, even a general one, really annoying. It's pretty fundamental to quality of life in any metroid-ish game.

>>387490135
Do you get dash after "waifu mantis"?

>>387490483
At least you picked the right AA game as best.
I wish you luck in playing DR.

>>387476712
None of Nintendo's controller/console innovations have made a game more enjoyable to play, in most cases it's either ignored or a hinderance.
That doesn't apply to the Switch though since I haven't tried it yet.

Jet Set Radio is only memorable because of it's soundtrack, the gameplay wasn't very good.

Any of the main three vidya companies leaving the market would be bad since it would mean less competition between them.

>>387478961
OoT is just like HL2, it was really good for a whole 20 seconds after it came out and set the standard, after which literally any game that came thereafter was better, because it copied all the revolutionary mechanics and added their own shit as well

Fallout 3 is a good successor to FO1 while New Vegas is a good successor to FO2

>>387488058
Try out FE5.

>>387490491
Yup, with that dash mechanic the game's combat and movement improve a ton. You can also get a charged slash and some improvements to your attack magics later on.

The game's combat reminds me a fucking lot of MMZ, which personally is a very good thing.

>>387490639
At least you answered my parody of your post.
I wish you luck in understanding opinions and facts.

>>387490491
I definitely agree with you on the latter. Exploring each and every room to fill out your chart with no open holes or just generally knowing where you're going is paramount. This is definitely a valid complaint with the game as I found myself getting lost in a couple of areas where I couldn't find the map man. It's one thing to recursively explore, but going in circles because you took a wrong turn can be a bit irritating.

If you haven't got to that point yet, the map man and his wife in the city hub sell you all the pieces needed for managing what you'd generally expect out of a map in this kind of game, but the pacing at which these tools are given to you could have been handled slightly better. I won't lie, that it isn't going to get any better. :(

Not necessarily unpopular outside of this board, but since he's popular people here hate him- Miyazaki is one of the best video game directors of our time and created a true video game masterpiece, Bloodborne

>>387488058
It's a pretty standard go-to turn based strategy RPG... It's units on a grid that have stats, equipment and experience. Some units do well/do bad against other units. That's pretty much it. Gameplay wise, It's fucking strategy RPG 101. Nothing more.

Might be you just dislike the genre or have a psychological bias against it.

Im glad Half Life 3 will never happen

>>387491245
I'm not, Episode 2 was legit one of the best FPS games to be released in like a decade. The Hunters are a great enemy that have actually dodgeable attacks as opposed to the constant hitscan that HL2 loves and the ending was incredibly fun. That and the new car was actually fun to drive and was use sparingly enough to not get tiring.

If Valve could have made a full game on par with Episode 2 I'd be so hyped.

>>387491065
It's really odd that Hollow Knight throws you a shitton of things to buy right at the start that are all super vital for navigation (the pin to write maps, the maps themselves, and the thing that shows your location on the map) yet the end game gives you nothing to buy.

The money is just really poorly balanced in the game, I remember losing like 10 thousand geo and just not caring near the end.

>>387477270
But the story falls apart as soon as you analyse even 1 plot point

Despite preferring the art style of the first game, I'm planning to get the M&L Superstar Saga remake mainly because of the Bowser's minions mode and in hopes for rebalances (like the stat buffs and debuffs, and mush badges) and a hard mode so then most bosses don't die too quickly.

>>387476712
First Dark Souls is so beyond fucking easy, your stronger than the bosses. Also most of the areas are just awful, why this game gets it's dick sucked and is called "The best souls game" by some is beyond me. It's so outdated it's not even funny, the majority of bosses can be cheesed to hell and back.

Witcher 3 has bad combat

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Dark Souls 1 Bastard Sword is better than Dark Souls 1 Claymore

Video game isn't as good as video game 2

>>387492894
actually that's a pretty popular opinion around here anon

Resident Evil 6 is the best in the series and if you ever thought Resident Evil was a horror series with actual scares than you're either blinded by nostalgia from when you were younger and more easily scared, or you find modern horror movies frightening

Despite being a half assed poorly made early access cash grab PUBG is fun as shit.

There i said it.

>>387487825
You underestimate how much free time I have and how much of a loser I am

>>387493274
But that's just wrong opinion, have you ever played Resident Evil 1/2/3?

Neptunia is a fucking garbage series.

>>387479156
I love BotW but I mostly agree. I'd like to see more games like it, just not Zelda. It isn't what I play Zelda for and Nintendo should just make a separate franchise that advances what BotW is.

>>387493726
>Nintendo
>new franchises
Turned out well for ARMS. ;^)

Civ 5 is one of the most boring ass games ive ever played in my life. Ive never met a single person that disliked it but there was so much shit to learn for absolutely no pay off.

To me if I have to learn a shit load about the game in order to properly enjoy it, its no bueno

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>>387481583
Fire Emblem was never good.

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>>387476712
The wold ends with you is not quite as good as everyone says it is
good points for the game
-The music
-artstyle
-character design
-story
-Unique gameplay
So whats not to like?
-THE Fucking pacing
every time i got into a new area in the game headphones N friends would get into a 5 minute conversation with each other about the situation that happened about 5 mins earlier every Fucking time their was a loading screen in the story something just had to happen right after it! it felt like moving puppets though a fucking set.

I really wish i could like TWEWY more

>>387493418
This. I played twewy all the way though because of free time i also would of went for 100% if it wasn't such as pain

>>387493854
I dunno I'm on the same boat with you except with fighting games. I don't wanna spend 20+ hours practicing combos against a bot so I can get bodied some guy online. However, I picked up on civ 5 after one game and played the shit out of it

The single greatest thing Nintendo did with Splatoon is to show people that voice chat is overrated as fuck and adds nothing positive to the experience

>>387495339
Team games without voice chat are horrible.

>>387480025
This is pretty decent bait. I could almost believe some "I hate weebshit" far from Reddit would write this.

>>387494067
I agree with you there but I didn't even like the gameplay of it. I cheated the entire way because I hated it that bad. The plot was kinda... alright? Near the end I just downloaded the OST and gave up playing it.

I feel like this would have been a superior PSP game without the double-screen combat nonsense, but hey it is what it is.

>>387495441
Lucky Splatoon MP is dead then.

>>387476712
Kind of agree with OP. One of the biggest things holding back games like starcraft is they just have a stupidly steep learning curve without the conveniences of a team environment. It's such a brilliant game hidden behind a bunch of bullshit that takes forever to sift through.

>but starcraft has team games!

Which hardly compare to or prepare for the 1v1 core.

Also,
Animal Crossing is the only good and currently active Nintendo IP.
Oblivion was the best TES.
The Dark Souls formula is deeply flawed and will probably never have its potential realized.

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All turn-based video games excluding BattleChess are automatically shit.

>>387497689
Do you wish to back up your reasoning?

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>ITT: I have shit taste and I know it, but I still want validation!!!11
KYS yourselfses

>>387497982
Different reasons apply for different genres, but basically I like having more control instead of just picking my next move and then just observe. To me turn-based combat/strategy/whatever is a complete waste of the interactivity of the video game medium.

>>387476712
Switch is good

>>387479156
I thought it was a good game but seeing it go this direction was jarring at first.

I hate nier automata while I love nier

I liked playing Dragon age 2 with custom face as a "lol ironic" character

dont kill me

Crash Bandicoot is less of a Dark Souls game than DS I,II and III.