So this is the power of Blizzard balancing and the cries of casuals...

Hog can still combo things, you just suck at aiming.

>>387444514
i am so glad i dropped hog for dva

>>387444657
I dropped maining.

>>387444514
>walking backwards after the hook connects
found your problem

>>387444657
>>387444749
I dropped the game

>>387444819
I dropped a load in ur mum.

>>387444819

ur mum dropped u

If that Roadhog was any good at aiming that M2 would have killed Widowmaker in one shot.

>>387444870
>>387444897
you dropped 40 amerifat burger dollars on a shitty game


enjoy that buyer's remorse ;)

>>387444514
Good. Now we can actually play half of the cast in this shitty moba

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>>387444592
>see Widow be wildly out of position and basically standing still
>Shoot widow close to half hp with alt-fire
>hook and blast her close range
>survives with 50 hp and gets healed by a mercy

He literally did the best he could.

>>387444967

>AMERIFAT

NICE TRY CHANG

>press 1 button
>get a long range 2 second stun on someone that has a gigantic buggy hitbox that can go through geometry because blizzard cannot code for shit
>incredibly easy to land hook
>guarenteed 1 shot kill after landing it

overwatch is a fucking trash game made by people who cannot balance ANYTHING to save their life - see: every online game blizzard has ever made aside from starcraft 1 from 1998

the origional release widowmaker is the most overpowered thing i have ever seen in a videogame yet she went untouched for months and i honestly cannot understand how overwatch has such a healthy playerbase when the game is so ineptly balanced and how they release 1 new class/map every few months yet they shower you in lootboxes to jew you out of money

what a shit company

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This game's dead. Better sell your accounts while you can.

>>387444514

Roadhog is literally the hero for casuals.

Insane heal to allow for bad trades/bad play.
1 shot capability off of a hook with a hitbox the size of Africa.

>>387444987
"He literlly did the best he could"

Roadhog can still one-shot 250 and lower HP characters with an M2 headshot, if he was any good he wouldn't have needed the hook. She was fucking standing still for fucks sake.

>>387444514
You have Doomfist now. 1 hit kill unavoidable charger every 4 seconds, supports mains surely enjoy this :^)

>>387444514
But it's fair now!

>>387445095
casuals
unironically casuals
If you tell them the game is goty they wont second guess it

>>387445251
Headshotting is too hard to do on heroes like Widow and Tracer. Their head hitbox is the size of a nail. Best thing is to do what he did. Shoot, hook and shoot again.

Sure in a perfect world he could have headshotted and all pellets would land on her head. But if everyone had perfect aim then everyone would play Widow and Mcree.

>>387445305
>Blizzard changes Roadhog because it turns out instant kill skills are not good for the game nor is it fun to play against
>Then proceeds to add a character built around this idea on a shorter cooldown

What the fuck wrong with Blizzard.

>>387445305
I hate doomfist so fucking much because my team will never, ever aim at him. I play zenyatta a lot and the second I see the black bull charging at me, I know for a fucking fact that the soldier next to me is going to sprint off to save himself while I get culturally enriched. Discorded he will die in like 2 seconds, but nope. they gotta let him charge up that loud as fuck rocket punch and pussy out.

>>387445416
>be widow
>stand near on point aiming at the ceiling
>Roadhog can't even kill me
Lol, is this what the shitters wanted?

>>387445251
>characters with an M2 headshot
Do you mean if you get the blast directly in their face and land all the pellets?
If so that's retarded to even consider an if situation. You'd have an easier time playing any other class and getting better dps than that.

>>387445234

and he had 100% pick rate in comp games

guarenteed kill that was hook + shoot + melee that required zero skill

>>387445479

Are you implying It's hard to headshot as Roadhog from pointblank when he has a large bullet spread?

>>387445551
Yes now it's fair and now you have four minutes to react.

It's heroes of the storm balancing but with overwatch.

>>387445587
Do you even know what pointblank means?

>>387444967
I don't have any
Nice projection though, at least I'm not bad at the game

>>387445579
And he was still fun to fight because free ult. Funny how that works

>>387445574
I've done it numerous times, thanks to Roadhogs RoF it's even easier to do it.

>>387444514
>We gotta nerf hog because getting insta killed isn't fun
>Next patch add le black man of one shotting
Bravo blizzard.

>>387445515

Tbh he is hard to catch, like Genji. Better double jump but every 7 seconds (upper), no refelction but armor for every special that hit your team, better, faster and far more dangerous dash.

>>387445783
>numerous

That's not all the time and on command, like any other hero.

>>387444987
He didn't melee after the m1

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>>387445251
>Roadhog can still one-shot 250 and lower HP characters with an M2 headshot
Actually, that's statistically impossible. Roadhog shoots 10 pellets, with a new damage of 6 per pellet - which makes for 60 damage if all hit. Combined with a headshot makes 120 damage, which is not enough to kill even a Tracer. Roadhog relies on at least 2 or 3 face shots to maximise lethality.

So... No. You're wrong.

>>387444514
fuck blizzard

>>387445789
>getting insta killed isn't fun
God I hope this isn't their reasoning.
Christ it's probably one of the most fair Insta kills in a game I've seen.

>>387445752

>spotted salty roadhog main

>>387445752

>get hooked because lol lets give the hook a fucking retarded huge hitbox
>lets also give the guy a shotgun that can 1 hit kill most classes after hooking
>instantly die

truly a fun fight. it was all skill as well, it had nothing to do with the gigantic, laggy hitbox that he threw out and randomly hooked you with and then didnt even have to aim the followup that kills you

overwatch is garbage and the people that still play it have zero taste in videogames

>>387445930
>120
Jesus Christ blizzard.

>>387445579
It required skill to play hog and not instantly die against anything like skilled opponents. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence didn't just stand around in the open waiting to get hooked, they played off of barriers and cover. Meanwhile any time you try to do anything soldier is raining bullets into your titanic head hitbox. Not saying hook wasn't strong, but it certainly wasn't overpowered, as to die to it required making mistakes or being retarded.

>>387444657
>D.VA mains
Always the worst players. That's the only character they ever know how to play, force them into another roll and they will fail every single time. D.VA requires nothing more then a pulse to play. At least you had to be more conservative with the old defense matrix.

>>387446034
>1 hit kill most classes after hooking
Read:

Tracer
Hanzo
Genji

You know, the classes known for their mobility, often referred to as the "squishies"?

>Be Roadhog
>Hook somebody
>Walk backwards before shooting
>Complain they didn't die

Can someone explain to me why it is that the majority of upper tier players say that Doomfist is balanced "because he has to dive deep and has a huge hitbox making it easy to focus him", but 50% of the game I play, no one does anything about him and he's allowed to run wild, decimating my entire team and then casually flying out without any retaliation?

I DON'T LIKE THIS THING THAT OTHER PEOPLE LIKE AND I'M BUTTMAD: The Thread

Every. Single. Day.

>>387446101

>force the entire team to be completely passive lest they get instantly killed by hook+shotgun+melee combo
>completely nullify 1 person per fight due to the power of the hook combo

balanced

>>387446034
Get good, don't be a retard and run in his range. Christ he was a joke hero when I played against him on release.
An ult battery if anything.

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Has Roadhogs movement heal buffed helped him any?

>>387446101

Skilled opponents on other heroes actually took skill.

To be a skilled roadhog takes about 2 hours of quickplay.

argumento invaladito

>>387444987
>out of position
God forbid anyone be in line of sight of Roadhog for 66 feet.

>>387446186
easy
These """""""upper tier players """"""" are retards

>>387446174

i dont play this shit anymore, i dropped it a long time ago due to its fucking awful balance so i was talking about pre nerfed roadhog which apparently was 'fine'

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>>387444514
>still playing overwatch
Just drop it and move on like literally everyone else with taste.

>>387446226
>a tank
>tanks

>>387444514
I regret this shit game

The direction they're heading is almost like they want it to be played as a MOBA instead of an FPS

Sure there are heroes that can be played with some skill but it doesn't fucking matter anyways

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>>387445095
Casuals and lootboxes, that's really the whole answer. People play the game to gamble with gacha boxes, they don't play for a finely honed competitive experience.

>>387446226
>force the entire team to be completely passive
teamwork
just gang up on him

>>387446264

>play one of the only two classes in the game that can actually make hooking take slightly more effort than aiming in someones general direction and pressing a button

>wtf hes a joke lmao

>>387446186
Don't listen to anyone below grand master, and they are also biased as fuck.

>>387445930
he shoots 26 pellets you fucking tard

>>387446010
It is, Jeff said so.
>Players think that every change we make to hero has the intent of buffing or nerfing that hero. Changes to heroes are usually made to make the game better. That’s what we were trying to do with Roadhog. Our goal wasn’t a nerf – our intent wasn’t a nerf. Our intent was to try to remove a behavior that had become “not ok” with our player base – the one-shot combo.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20757706588?page=2#post-24

Id probably still hate it but it'd be better if doomfist the hitbox on the charge was more reasonable and if it knocked you straight back instead of looking like it finds the closest wall and sends you towards it

>>387445870
He's hog+genji+reaper with the benifits of all and the drawbacks of none. Best mobility, oneshots nearly everything without even having to aim, and if you're hitting anything you're getting so much bonus health that you cannot die.

>>387446424
>shoot him from behind cover and behind shields and tanks
>what the fuck how did I do this without playing one of those two classes

Play the game.

>>387445731
I'm master rank and I quit the game every season because it's so boring and lacking of content, void of fun etc.
And I regret giving my money to Blizzard.
Doesn't seem like he was projecting with your passive aggressiveness shining through, I think you are the one projecting with your little butthurt quip

>>387446372

tanks shouldnt have the ability to 1 shot people, and when tanks fight it should be a wet noodle fight.

winston, dva, zarya (not at 100 charge) all wet noodle damage.

>>387446347
If you had taste you wouldn't be playing it in the first place.

>>387446556

nah i think i made the better decision by uninstalling and playing far better games

enjoy your casual shitfest of overpowered WOAH SO COOL PRESS X FOR AWESOME IM THE BEST!!!! mobafpsshit

>>387444514
>A tank can't 2v1
How awful

>>387446601
>I have to play a safe game, i can't handle the pressure of losing

Jesus you're the reason the game is shit

>>387444987
Hook, walk forward, shoot at the head, melee. That's literally all you need to do to be good at hog.

Shit game, shit players and shit discussion in a shitty thread

>>387445930
Didn't his m2 do 50 damage before exploding?

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>>387446517
that's 6hp over tracer provided an absolutely perfect spread

TOP KEK

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You are now aware that all of these attacks will connect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnhwAvdnfcw

>>387445095
Because it's FUN. Also, are they showering you in lootboxes (even custom games give you lootboxes now) or do they try to jew you out of money? You have to pick one.

>>387445305
>Getting pounded by a big fist
I don't think support mains complain too much, it's just like real life.

>>387446412
>Crouch and aim next to a door
>Wait for someone to come along and peek
>Bodyshot them for the kill
Wow, truly skillful!

>>387446521
>one shot combos are not ok
>releases coonfist which one shots quicker than Hog, and has massive mobility to go with it

really activates my almonds

>>387446724

playing safe =/= not being able to do anything other than camp back as an offensive hero because tanks can outdamage you

11/10 shit balance

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>>387446913
LOL

>>387446913
Vertical hit boxes for balance reasons are bigger.

>>387446265
It's actually pretty good. I don't know how it'll pan out in play, but it makes you unkillable and lets you either keep up in someones face when they try to bail on the fight or lets you run away and get a better position.

Seriously nothing can kill you through this thing.

>>387446918
I actually think adding loot boxes to custom games was a terrible idea. You have to win to get them, so people end up playing customs just as seriously as quick play. There's no "just for fun" mode, everyone's in it to win.

>>387447038

i really dont get how this game is so popular, just look at this fucking shit

complete casual cancer for literal babies to play and be good at

>>387446941
>play with team
>but this guy whose countering me is countering me

Tough shit.
Reinhardt mitigates you Just as much as road, just a different thought process on the execution.

>>387444514
I'm guessing the ping is like 650ms in this clip

>>387447194
You got your answer m8

>>387447352
dumb blizzdrone

>>387447089
The image on the left is a hit where both of them are standing on the ground but the aim is to the side.

>>387447194
because it's immune to criticism

The main 3 places it gets talked about are Reddit, the forums and here.

Everyone knows /v/ shits on absolutely everything popular, you're not allowed to be negative ever on Reddit and the official forums are obviously full of Blizzard fanboys.

I said Doomfist was cancer day 1 and got tons of downvotes, then less than a week later people start posting the exact same things i did and getting thousands of upvotes because he's so bad he actually broke the circlejerk for a moment

>>387444514
>what the fuck why isn't my tank a dps reee

>>387447194
Doomfist and Orisa are probably the worst designs they've done.

>>387447495
Balance reasons

Seriously why do people get upset that hit boxes are bigger than the model.

>>387444514
Haha get fucked retardhog players, your tears nourish the rest of the small population that's left in the shitty game.

>>387447247

>play with team

yeah let's have heroes designed to flank sit back and deal dps with their insane range!!!11!!1!

>Roadhog countering me
be tunneled into a hero that has range and sit behind a rein shield

muh diverse champion play

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How you want your hitreg senpai?

>>387447638
Only going down hill

>>387446265
Yeah, it charges the enemies ult like a charm.

>>387446265
I don't foresee it giving him a place on the team.
He will still be unable to delete someone with his hook & shoot. he'll still feed the enemy team ult. He'll still be a tank with no real way to protect his team aside from "getting shot for 3 seconds instead of someone else"

>>387444514
>Have super short-ranged blunderbuss type hit OR medium-range delay on it
>Back off and let your enemy get inbetween the two
>Shoot another target instead of the one you initially engaged while it gets healed
>Keep firing off the short-ranged one like an imbicille because you can't into basic positioning for your weapon type
>>What'd I do wrong tho?
Hog is shit right now, but still.. you basically just have to run into their butt and keep firing. It's nowhere near as satisfying as in the past, but you have a decent enough fire speed to take on most enemies.

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>>387447718

>>387446186
>Play Lucio
>Boop
Wow so hard

>>387447923
lmao leran to aim noob

>>387447591

youre not allowed to have a negative opinion of anything on reddit until people like dunkey point out the flaws.

hellblade was 4 hours of shit, good looking shit, but still shit. trying to point that out after completing it in one sitting to metafags who probably didnt even play it yet on reddit is pointless.

>>387444514
>1st shot is poorly placed, mostly body shots
>same with second shot
>no melee attack
>proceed to miss every other shot horribly
>cry about it online

Roadhog mains are the lowest skill players in any game

>>387444812
>playing overwatch
FTFY

>>387444514
git gud

>>387446913
>>387447038
T H A N K S
J
E
F
F

Now I want to play pudge

>>387447923
Ana has a very small and fucked up hitbox, this has been known for nearly a year.

>game has busted characters and hitboxes and hitreg and tickrate as well as unstable changing meta from the get go
>people expected it to be a balanced competitive game

y'all niggas is dumb

>>387447591

>check overwatch sub out of boredom
>one of the current top rated posts is about how a guy plays overwatch with his 3 year old daughter

you cannot make this shit up, this is literally a game for children

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>>387448192
Nothing to do with the hitbox there, they were both hits. See the red headshot decal? It's the netcode.

back in my days we said instagib not one shot

That's old as fuck. It's from the PTR patch it was introduced and has since been fixed. You can see half of the pellets literally not register
stop being a falseflagging faggot

>>387444514
The only problem I'm seeing here is that no one in this team game is helping Hog capitalize on that hook.

>>387448192
And it won't ever get fixed. They hire monkeys to make the hitboxes.

Just look at Torb. He's a walking head.

>>387448225
>expecting arena shooters where every player has a different weapon and 3 abilities and hitbox to be balanced
lma0000

>>387448225
>changing meta
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>387448448
nobody on your team ever notices what you are doing

>Actually manage to flank a blueberry whore and kill her without her being able to fly away to her team's safety
>Blizzard responds by buffing her hook so she'll never be without it

Fuck this game.

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>>387447923
>[ImTeenyWeeny]: tehy got winston

>>387448465
It's like you don't remember the deathball

>>387446292
Yes, a widow should be on the ground next to the point instead of in a long range position anon...

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>>387448520
Just lay traps for her.

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>>387447810
>>387447771
>>387447090
Thats a shame.

>let's give a hero a hook
>and then a gun that oneshots anything near him

Fucking great hero, not even dota is that retarded.
You get a hook, or you get a oneshot.
Not both.

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>Blizzard builds an entire team to try and balance their game
>It's shit
>THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMAN has been adding batshit changes to his game for 10+ years now
>It's the best competitive game on the market

What happened? How does a multi-billion dollar company that brings together the greatest minds to try and balance out their game lose to one guy who used to balance his game for no profit at all?

>>387448596

>Jumps into an ambush
>Still manages to kill a McCree in a close range battle
>Only dies because she chooses to jump to her own death
>With the buff she would have been able to grapple away to safety to heal and continue raping the entire team

It's shit like this that makes me have to main Winston. If I'm not allowed to have fun you're not allowed to have fun either.

>>387448689
dota has a stronger emphasis on melee attacks, so dragging someone into your team is far more tactically important

>>387448724
>he thinks winston will save him from a good widow

For those cases where you team does not have a healer or tank and everyone just refuses to not go anything else - is it better to be a healer or tank?

>>387445930
>>387446889
>>387446517
It's 25. The 6 damage also reduces rapidly based on range, so even assuming perfect spacing (not easy on the slowest, least mobile character in the game), and the pellets for some magical reason not spreading that's 300 damage on a headshot. You aren't getting that. Even assuming your spacing is still perfect and you have 80% accuracy with 25% of those hitting the head That's a fucking pathetic 150.

he's worthless garbage now.

>>387448931
healer

>>387448784
>getting someone into close range isn't important
>in a game that has a ton of close range heroes, and ranged heroes also have an easier time hitting their shots without falloff damage

retard

>>387448931
I would argue healer (lucio ideally). he's more valuable to your team than a tank steadily getting whittled down by the enemy team.

>>387448689
Can't Pudge do both?

>>387448867

It won't but it's the closet thing she has to a counter that isn't another widow or a reinhardt shielding the entire team, but the later doesn't work every because no one wants to stay behind shields or shoot things through them.

At least if I'm monkeying around the Widow will have to always be on edge looking for me, and the amount of extra time she spends killing me is enough that she would have otherwise been able to kill 3+ teammates.

>>387448596
I always felt 12 seconds is a really long cooldown for her grappling hook

>>387447810
Maybe Blizzard should have designed him like a tank then instead of a retarded one trick pony.

>>387449063
No, he can only stun and do a dot.
Which, if your team is around, he will be stunned out of.

>>387449089

It's really not. You should be using it to get yourself into a sniper position, not swinging around the entire map like spiderman getting away from danger every time someone jumps onto you.

>>387448689
roadhog is designed to be an alternative tank, in such a way that his hook and oneshot are devastating and he has a large health pool, but cannot actually defend any of his teammates without killing their attackers. the hook's cooldown is plenty long enough for any competent team to realize that its been used and push on the now pig-shaped ult battery without a cause.
its just that below 3500s dont get this, and since every game at that rank is basically 6 retards trying to do their own thing, the hero designed around getting picks on out-of-place targets thrived. its why tracer and genji are so stupid good against people who dont know how to play.

>>387448931

In this situation probably Mercy, boost damage output of carries whilst charging ult at a safe distance. Second lives for team helps with no tanks when capturing/maintaining points

>>387448721
Neutral
Fucking
Meta

Game is balanced around vision.
Doesn't matter how op the hero if they caught you it's your fault.
And everything non hero related in the game is balanced around this.

I WANT TO NUT IN LOSERFRUITS TIGHT PINK ASSHOLE

>>387449019
>far more

Read nigger

>>387445251
>headshot
aiming for the head will cause most bullets to miss, need to aim at the chest with road

>>387444592
>hit
>hookshot
>headshot
?

>>387449197

of course he can defend team mates, you just hook the people focusing them and use your health pool to tank damage in the mean time before self healing back to full because roadhoag is retarded.

>>387444870
>>387444897
>intentionally outing your samefag
What did you mean by this?
>>387444967
>mum
>amerifat
Anon...

>>387449149
>he should be like every other tank

Bravo

>>387449197
>hey lets give this dude like 500hp
>and let him oneshot at any range
>dude hes a tank, hes scaring the enemy away xD!!!!!

no.

You don't make a tank scary by letting him oneshot everyone, you make him scary with utility, such as stuns and hooks.

>>387444514
>shooting just left of her head

No wonder she didn't die, how can you suck at aiming so much that you miss someone point blank and only have 20% of the pellets hit them?

>>387446167
>D.VA requires nothing more then a pulse to play.
You just described every Overwatch character that isn't Genji/Zarya/Ana/Sombra/Pharah/McCree.

>tfw the only two counters to Giganigga are literally the two least used heroes in the game, Sombra and Orisa

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM what did Blizz mean by this

>>387449323
whitey mad he gettin replaced?

>>387449479
Heavy weapons guy did it
The sentry does that.
In fact that's far more effective area denial than, you can't hit me right now!

>>387449019
Aside from symmetra and possibly Mei, most close range heroes are played as flankers. They wouldn't really have a reason to hang out with the team waiting for roadhog to hook someone in so they could kill them.
Although I imagine that roadhog and symmetra might combo well together, if hog is dragging people into sym's sentry nest.

>>387449537
How does Orisa counter him?
Legit curious.

>>387449564
>sees nigger but doesn't understand the other words

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When are they gonna buff the best tank

>>387449568
HWG was also slow and had to spend a considerable time spinning his gun up.
In addition, he had a ton of spread, making him useless at longer ranges.
He also does not have a hook to make the range issue irrelevant.

Sentry is a fucking stationary buildable.

>>387449631
Fortify nullifies his abilities cause she isn't affected by movement impairing abilities

>>387446347
>going into threads for games you don't like to tell people how smart you are for not liking it
But why though?

>>387449340
>but cannot actually defend any of his teammates without killing their attackers
i literally said that in my last post you goof
the whole point here is that if roadhog gets a hook and a kill, for the next 8 seconds he is a fat retard who cant do shit about a coordinated push. hes even worse off if he misses that hook. too bad plats bitch and moan because not capitalizing on cooldowns and being out of position are the norm for them.

>>387449479
If roadhog was the CC tank with a reworked kit, I wouldn't mind.
He wouldn't be the original vision of the character, but at least there would be a reason to use him.

>>387449731
Hook is med range no?
Heavy is fine there

>>387449681
they buffed him very slightly recently.
Made his hammer a tad less wonky

Only way they can fix road now is to remove the cooldown on hook

>>387449731
>no movement abilities, which most tanks have
>gun has ridiculous spread and dropoff, only compensated by the right click, which is a skillshot anyway
>hook is countered by anything that can knock roadhog around, zarya bubble, and dva matrix, which are extremely common in any given game
wow not looking too good for your argument buddy

>>387449631
You can pull Giganigga to wherever you wish with Halt, which is good because he moves around alot

also as the other anon said, Fortify literally makes him useless. a fully charged punch from him in a Fortified Orisa does what, 30 damage?

>>387450047
They still haven't fixed how wonky earthshatter is

>>387449631
>muh shift

Fortify literally only keeps orisa from getting splattered on a wall from charge punch where the biggest damage of zulu boy comes from. Doesn't exactly save robot horse pussy from getting fisted 8 ways to sunday.

>>387449197
The hook was never really the problem though, even his combo was never that big a deal cause it required by OW standards a decent amount of skill. The problem was you had a tank that could one shot most of the roster just simply by spamming left or right click into a melee without even aiming. Give him the combo dmg back, but his retarded right click had to go.

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>>387447923
>this retarded webm again

Here I captured the exact frame where widow shot the Ana for you. After shooting Widow's crosshair automatically flicks upward from the recoil of the shot, and in that case right over Ana's head. Does that mean it was a headshot? No it's still a bodyshot since Widow was aiming at the body when she shot.

Learn to aim, scrub.

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>>387444514
>playing overwatch after roadhog nerf

>>387450354
I do it to throw in qp

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I am glad this roadhog is gone

>>387446919
Almost like they nerfed Roadhog specifically because he'd be a 100% counter to Doomfist or something.

Really mashios the pistachios.

>Roadfags still mad as fuck that they lost their easy 2 clicks to win character

lol

>>387450304
>he legit thinks Doomfist can take on a decent Orisa

boy o boy do we have a retard here.

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>>387450325
That's not the frame where Widow shot. >>387448315 is the frames where Widow shot. See the bullet trails, and the red headshot decal?

Here's another hitreg error. Notice the headshot decal here as well?

>>387450395
Look at that fucking flick. Why wouldn't you encourage quick reflexes like this?

>>387450395
Probably should have stuck with the team instead of trying to run off alone.

>>387447194
>i don't get it, why are flies swarming that pile of shit on the street???

>>387450316
>without aiming
explain in a 2 page essay (double spaced) why roadhogs left click is unbalanced despite having to be at poind blank range to do any damage, and why roadhogs right click is usable "without aiming" despite the fact that you have to be a very specific distance away from the enemy for it to do more than 50 damage.

>>387449063
You can get more health in Dota, so if you're getting one-shot chances are you're just straight up losing hard. Also Hook itself can (outside of extreme cases) never one shot you. Pudge needs to hook you, rot you, and Dismember you, during which an ally can either help you escape or, if you have enough health, you can escape yourself.

>>387444514
that's not a problem with roadhog, that's a problem with overwatch's hitboxes in general
some characters are literal linguine noodles, so weapons with spread do 0 damage to them

>>387450480
> See the bullet trails
The bullet trail isn't displayed until after the shot you fucking moron. Of course the game can only display it afterwards because it doesn't know when you actually shoot, so it displays it right the next frame after you took the shot. It doesn't matter where the bullet trail goes, it only matters what you were aiming at when you took the shot.

>>387450395
>hero should be able to move completely behind enemy lines without being contested
i mean i understand that playing flankers might be fun but you have to understand, good aim should shit on you. this guy fucked the tracer and deserved it.

>He still trying to justify broken streetpig

>>387450468
>ppl that don't play ovetwatch are mad that blizzard isn't fixing their game but some how casualizing it more

I just want it to be good.

>>387450726
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>387450548
>The flanker with 200hp and no range should stay on the frontlines with reinhardt. I'm retarded btw

>>387450834
Nice argument, you have me convinced, idiot.

>>387450304
Thats hot

>>387450793
It's more the hook pulling you through walls and shit. I'm really glad they took that out.

Not really on board with the damage nerf. Hog was never a consistent pick in pro league even when he was able to one-shot most of the cast.

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>>387444514
>discussing OW unironically
fucking millenials.
you guys should be discussing CS and UT. not this 60 tickrate shitshow.

>>387446347

Those same people are still playing a 10 year old meme game. Literally zero taste.

>>387450973

CS is meme shit and is boring af.

>>387450996
Not yet ten years

>>387450873
meant 150hp, even worse

>>387450973
I would tell you to go back to your thread about your dead game, but I forgot, there are none :^)

daily reminder that Zenyatta needs to be nerfed.

a hero that can literally kill anyone 1v1 with ease AND heal his allies? fuck that

>>387450968
at what point did that hook pull the tracer through the wall
if youre talking about when she fell behind the rock, fuck you. theres no reason why a perfectly landed midair hook should disjoint because they fell behind cover in the time before you reel in. that shit is fucking garbage.

>>387451094
why don't you go back to your shit abortion of a videogame and stop showing you terrible taste in vydia here?

>>387451123
He's slow as fuck and has zero mobility. Also the orbs last only for three seconds if the target has left his sight

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>>387450512
>>387450793

I'm the boulevard bacon in that webm, this is why roadhog is bad. You don't have to aim.

There is also no counterplay to the hook, ultimately you can only hope that the roadhog throws it and misses. It isn't reactively dodgeable.

>>387451174
>if youre talking about when she fell behind the rock, fuck you.
Well fuck you too, I guess. It's silly to hook someone, have them pop behind a wall, then magically teleport them back in front of you. The majority disagree with your bullshit, filthy pig main.

>>387451358
>I deliberately walked into a thread about a game I hate
>now I am angry that people talk/play said game
>how could this happen to me?

:^)

>>387450973
It's pretty embarassing to misuse the word "millenial" in the middle of 2017

>>387451413
again
>zarya bubble
>anything that can knock roadhog around
>matrix
at least one of these exists in most games of overwatch, and all of them counter the hook in most scenarios. the hook has plenty of counterplay.

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>>387451652
I'm higher ranked than you and you're wrong, sorry. I hate for you to have to find out this way.

>>387451725
Holy shit this pathetic fuck still posts here.

>>387451516
why would a hook disjoint if you fall behind cover? i can understand situations with the netcode where the hook initially connects when youre behind a wall, but punishing a midair hook is just retarded. give me 1 reason why a perfectly executed midair hook should disjoint after the fact.

I like playing as Mei

Doomfist Rocket Punches your girl's ass in the club and Rising Uppercuts Away. What do you do?

>>387452013
Call my mexican sister to come ground him and take his abilities away.

>>387452013

laugh at him because he's black.

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>>387451725
well as you can see, this is me and im ranked higher than you. i hate for you to have to find out this way.

>>387452140
Hah, it's true

>tfw can't get good at tracer

>>387450187
>movement abilities
>which a whole of other heroes also don't have

>ridiculous dropoff
>doesn't matter because of hook and easily landed rightclick
>no, the """"skillshot"""" does not take skill to land

>hook countered by knockback
>victim will still be right infront of him for the right moment to press M1 and kill them.
>bubble and matrix only keep the target safe, still in the middle of the enemy team and likely to die

yes he sure needs his oneshot garbage

>>387447591
Fuck off reddit

Before the nerf the hook meant roadhog would kill me.
After the nerf the hook meant that roadhogs team would kill me.

I don't think I've seen a Roadhog get a kill since the change, but the hook still fucks people over.

>>387445183
i hope you don't mind if i download this picture

>>387452491
Literally all hog has to do is walk forward while the hook animation plays, then melee after the shot.
But yes, even if hog is bad, you're still most likely dead.

>>387451652

>need to build a team to specifically counter this fat fucks hitreg ability
>it's totally balanced!

/v/ in charge of game design.

>>387451594
Retards use millennial wrong. To them it just means "anybody younger than I am".

>>387452667
>at least one of these counter roadhog
>most exist in any given game
/v/ in charge of reading comprehension

>>387452931

Maybe if you'd stop being a stupid fuck you'd know that combos of heroes being required to stop an 8 second cooldown hitscan ability that could kill a character in less than a second is not actually something good.

But no, you had to be an idiot for your entire life so you'll never know. Tough shit.

>>387453457
>combos of heroes being required
>AT LEAST ONE
this is getting embarrassing

>>387450395

yeah now you'll get that hook but do chip damage and be a wasted slot on your team

GREAT IMPROVEMENT THANK YOU BLIZZARD THANK YOU JEFF

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Why do they hate Roadhog so much?

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>>387453457
>hitscan
I guess it makes sense that someone retarded enough to still play Overwatch would also be retarded enough to believe this

>>387453718
They didn't think one shot characters were fun, until they introduced Mr. Lister the Sister Fister.

>>387453587
Well now Roadhog only needs a good offense character to finish the enemy he hooks, and there's always gonna be offense characters around so it's fine too.

I'm glad I dropped Overwatch before Doomnigger made a shittier game even worse.

>>387451413

The counter play is not getting hooked in the first place, you idiot. See a roadhog? Bait that nigga into using his hook then continue running, or fight him.

The nerf was unnecessary, and that's all I'll be saying on the subject.

>>387454174
It's so transparent that they nerfed Roadhog just so Doomfist could shine brighter, but I guess that's the "taking turns" balance of theirs.

>>387448448

Nobody does that, not even pros. Anyone suggesting "you should do that" is a fucking retard who has never played team-based shooters before.

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>>387454321
>Bait that nigga into using his hook then continue running, or fight him.

Ah, you mean like this?

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>>387450512
>>387450548
>>387450548
>>387453695
>>387453718
>>387454321
t. salty hog players. fucking kek.

>>387454230
>combo of two
>needed to make a hero worthwhile to play
its only going downward from here

>>387454514
>Gets hooked
>Doesn't try to obstruct it despite being given plenty of time AND playing tracer
Could have just pressed W and shift bruh.

>>387454980
S and shift* my bad. Sleepy.

>>387454675

I don't even main hog, or any character for that matter. It's just a bit retarded that Bliz nerfed him so bad that nobody bothers using him now unless it's to troll by pulling someone off a ledge, including me.

>>387454675

I don't even play the fucking game anymore. But when anything in any game is nerfed from "too useful/powerful" to "now is downright useless" that doesn't fix or change anything, it just makes you happy and others upset.

>>387454965
next patch they're removing critical damage from mei. now she will require another character to land headshots on frozen targets.

>>387455136
Most people don't use him because he was a crutch. Naturally when you remove the crutch, said people will abandon the character cause they couldn't aim to save their life to begin with.

>>387455842

And now we have Doomfist. The nerf was pointless. There's nearly 20 heroes in this game. If you nerf one so bad that he or she becomes useless, people will just find someone else to complain about. Eventually the game will become a boring shitty mess like TF2.

Just leave things the hell alone and let people have fun. Jesus Christ.

>>387456163
they can't do that. they want the e-sports crowd.

>>387456163
And doomfist is far easier to deal with than Hog was in his prime. Nerf was needed because frankly Hog has so little counterplay that you needed to have several people to focus him down in order to even have a chance of winning.

Also, Hog isn't useless, his pickrate just plummeted cause again, the people who used him were using him as a crutch. He was so damn brainless that you could have a toddler play him and do well.

Now he requires people to rub two braincells together so his usage rate has dropped.

>>387456163
>There's nearly 20 heroes in this game
24

>>387449415
well he should play like his class should he not? not a fuckin 600HP dps

>>387446010
by what fucknig mretric? hooking is so fucking easy

>>387456383
>So little counterplay
Shoot him and charge your ultimate ridiculously fast. Stay as a team. Move unpredictably. Have a Zarya or Deva. So hard.

>>387456383

No, now he requires his team to be on his ass at all times. That was literally Bliz's intention, and it's very dumb.

>Join a game
>Instant 5 mained dps in the team.
Oh boy, I get to be healer for the 9th game in a row.

Overwatch V2.0 patch that reboots how the whole game works when!?

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>>387446919
I'll never understand this argument
>a hero that can oneshot from behind their entire team and is completely unpunishable whether it hits or not is the same as a hero that needs to dive into the enemy team to get a oneshot and dies even if he gets it sometimes.

Risk = Reward.

>>387456608
Are you suggesting his counterplay is to ult him?

Hook has a large ass hitbox, and again I said the only counterplay was jumping his ass as a team. Which isn't counterplay.

Dva can help, but Zarya is a better choice. And you're proving my point in how little counterplay he had. Especially since his hook was very low risk.

Compare him to Doomfist, who is weak against Junkrat, McCree, range in general, Zarya, Pharah, Sombra, and a few others I'm probably not remembering off the top of my head.

>>387456689
He literally only needs like 10 damage on a target before he can one shot them. Either choose your targets more carefully or shoot first then hook.

>>387444514
I'll never understand why some 1 hit kills are fine and others aren't. Why do people just accept snipers as fair play in videogames when they are such bullshit? I know we all like to play as them but 90% of the time they have the huge advantage with 1 shot kills at long distances where anyone who wants to kill a sniper basically has to make it through their whole team and flank them.

>>387454321

>my utterly skill-less guarenteed kill combo didnt need nerfing
>just get good lol

kill yourself

>>387457603
No one is weak to Sombra.

>>387457782

Nah, I'm good. I'm one of the apparent few who had no trouble dodging Hog's hook before he was nerfed. You're just mad because you weren't one of those few.

>>387457753
Snipers are more accepted because its a skill thing. In order to do one shots reliably, you need to be a decent sniper. Also, generally speaking Snipers are pretty vulnerable. Usually exposed and zoomed in so they're easier to sneak up on.

In others instances, it can be a risk vs Reward thing. You risk being killed yourself for the chance of getting a one shot kill.

Either way, one shots are usually not guaranteed and often leave the person open to reprisal.

The problem with Hog was always that he was very safe and unpunishable with his one shots.

>>387450726
gay and wrong fagwagon

ITT: people that never went through blizzard 'balance' before (aka WoW arena)

inb4
>b-but its a different team!

>>387447656
Because it reduces counter play and makes the game less reliant on being skilled and more reliant on just spamming op abilities.

>>387458218

Just like they balanced Mage/Rogue in 2s right? What a joke. A semi-competent Mage/Rogue duo was guaranteed gladiator every season, and I say that with personal experience when I was addicted to that piece of shit.

>>387456608
I main hog and as long as i have a not shit healer none of this shit works my guy

>>387457931
>get hooked because a sliver of hitbox stuck over a wall
>dragged through three walls and around a corner

>HAHA lol git gud fagmaster hook dodge easy lolool!

Or

>Hook flies ten feet to my left
>still hits me
>kill cam shows it was even further off than I saw, I was nearly off the player's screen

>>HAHA lol git gud fagmaster hook dodge easy lolool!

>>387457929

Pretty much every tank is after a hack

>>387458102
I guess, but snipers have probably the least risk of all given that they are usually positioned far away from everyone else and are only really vulnerable to other snipers and people who can be bothered to go out of their way to sneak up on them which runs the risk of having to break through the enemy team and in the case of Overwatch have escape tools too. I don't know, I just feel frustrated when someone just nails me from across the map and there's pretty much nothing I could have done about it without prior knowledge.

I don't think Road Hog was exactly balanced but I think that's more that the general idea behind his gameplay wasn't and has now just been rendered pretty much useless.

>>387444514
Nice Reddit filename, now go back to /r/overwatch and take your shit game with you.

>>387458741
Well, the downside tends to be a Sniper is also without any backup if they get jumped as well. Often their strength relies on them being at range far away from combat, and are somewhat shitty close up.

So when you get someone diving them they're often completely fucked.

>>387458715
nope wrong nobody

>>387458686

I'm referring to the most recent nerf, not the one that fixed the hook going through walls. THAT actually needed to be fixed.

>>387454514

He hooked before the blink. What're you whining about?

>>387458984

DVA dies almost instantly after the hack because of no matrix or dash. Winston dies pretty quick if you're in his bubble. Even if you're getting electro tickled you can always phase out or finish him off which can be done

>>387454514
>what is latency

>>387458984
Doomfist is shite against Sombra when she hacks him, he can't even fucking punch.

Reinhardt can't do shit against a Sombra except swing his hammer around hoping to catch her with it.

Roadhog can't do shit against Sombra after getting hacked because his weapon is trash.

D.va becomes an ult battery because her guns do almost no damage and she has no other abilities.

Orisa sucks cock when hacked, and Sombra easily bodies her.

>>387445579
>hook
>zero skill
my hooks are 100% skill especially on pharas and shit

>>387459784

Wow, I just now realized this. Thanks man. Whenever I'm playing against a Doomfist now I'm just gonna go Sombra and focus him. Will be fun.