Is it just me that's noticed that PC seems to have won?

>>387406807
people pretty much realize that pc superior and console games are really not that worthwhile anymore either

>DFC Intelligence.
Delicious indeed. Though interesting OP, I doubt your thread will get many replies. Console warriors will only hop on when a piece of statistic serves their purpose of FUNposting, while computer users don't feel the need to validate something they know to be true already.

>>387406807
The biggest console base is casuals and convenience, a lot of that has been eliminated by android/ios tablets and phones, its obvious that consoles would suffer the most

>>387406807
those PC revenue included P2W game

>>387406807
Well, yeah.
Unless you're a retard, a weebshitter or both you would've gotten a PC this shitty console gen.

>>387406807
PC is not a gaming platform.

>>387407369
Those are still games.

>>387407369
and F2P games as well

>>387407369
So? Consoles have plenty of those too.

there's no reason to own consoles anymore, the exclusives no longer make up for the drawbacks

>>387407674
Consoles have a lot going for them in their simplicity. Standardised hardware and software means it's a consistent experience, you don't have to worry about things like a graphics card not being supported etc. etc.

>>387407674
What exclusives?

>>387407797
>Modern consoles
>a consistent experience
But those days are over osn. Consoles are now nothing more than downgraded notebooks running on smartphone CPU's which constantly needs software and game updates so you might as well get a PC since those have become more convenient than consoles. PS4 has even had problems with running certain games at launch.

>>387407806
the same third person shooter that seems to be getting re-released over and over the past few years

>>387407797
>>387407981
Not to mention they now have the Pro/X/whatever upgrade which means you don't even know if a game released for your machine will run well on your machine.

>>387406807
I swear it has been getting more mainstream in the uk, or just in general.

If you look at the most popular games on twitch/youtube it isn't cod and fifa, it's pubg and mobas.

PC games don't sell, PCfags are pirates.

>>387406807
PC Gaming is an expensive rip off

>>387408086
It has thanks to steam and streamers

>>387408178
I'd say it's less of a rip-off than console gaming.

>>387407797
Consisent, yes. Consistent stuttering of frame rates, that is. I bought my mid range computer 4 years ago and I have yet to upgrade it once, had no problem playing anything I can buy or pirate. The presence of bundle/giveaway sites meant I can get games a lot, lot cheaper than any console counterparts too, this means I rarely have the need to pirate anymore as it is.

I don't particularly care about muh exclusives either when I have a backlog of 980+ games on Steam, after spending merely $191 USD on the account.

The days of consoles were good back in the last century, where the Super Nintendo and Playstation 1 reigned, but those days are long gone I am afraid.

File: 1451831119583.jpg (46KB, 450x588px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 450x588px

>>387407360
Nope. The console graph doesn't have that much of a dip in their numbers. Only PC is having increase.

>>387406807
Objectively PC stopped winning. It just comes down to which games you actually want to play.

>dat feel when people say all PC has are MMORPGs, strategies and survival games
Yeah, well, I could make the same case for TPS, JRPGs and sports games on consoles. Neither is an argument seeing as it's just a matter of taste.

File: Autism.gif (128KB, 728x426px) Image search: [Google]

128KB, 728x426px

>>387408146
Off the Scale there Buddy!

File: 1468058210242.png (436KB, 600x376px) Image search: [Google]

436KB, 600x376px

>>387406807
I don't think that's true. A lot of people just like to have a semi capable gaming PC along with their console of choice. I've for example always owned a PC since the late 90s. Not always a super capable gaming PC mind you, but when compared to consoles there's a lot less consistency there. Last gen an Xbox 360, now a PS4. Perhaps in the future a Switch etc.

>>387408263
A X1 is $200. A PC with comparable performance and life time is at least $1000.

>>387406807

That graph looks good until you see what games are the big earners.

>>387408523
Yeah, those trolls need to put more effort in their craft. If PC games don't sell, then how the hell is Gaben swimming in all that cash?

>>387408664
steam market you fucking autist

>>387408538
it's about $400 tops.

For a most people it's about $100 (shove a gpu into the pc you already own) and for some it's "free" (if you already owned a high end pc for video editing/needed one for work) if you're being vaguely realistic

>>387408538
>1000 to do 720p30fps
Are you retarded or what?

>>387408486
New supposedly "next gen" consoles release which don't turn out to be very next gen at all, just slightly upgraded version of their 360/PS3 counterparts which run the same or worst.
I don't want to play weebshit so no point getting a PS4.
Don't want to play Marioshit so no point getting a Switch and I already played BotW on cheap hacked Wii U.
No point in buying Xbone since all its games are PC exclusive too.
Most logical step? Build a PC.

I prefer to play on my console instead of laptop.

>>387408816
>Build a PC.
That's for fat nerd who are neet and don't leave their house.

>>387408749
That only accounts for a portion of their income, sure, that is a very meaningful portion, but not the main dish. If PC games don't sell at all, then why would anyone bother creating games on the platform? Why would any company bother porting their games as well? Games sell on Steam, they sell even on Origin and Uplay too, enough to keep them more than afloat despite how awful those services are.

You need to troll better, fellow poster, not harder.

It's just this one generation in particular has been shit.
Complete utter shit.
The consoles have like, ONE exclusive that is remotely good, it's not worth shelling out hundreds of dollars for one game.

>>387409446
What are the best selling games on consoles?

>>387409492
cod,fifa,gta

File: windows-10-creators-update-app-limit-dialog-1200x675.jpg (78KB, 1200x675px) Image search: [Google]

78KB, 1200x675px

>>387406807
Microsoft have definitely noticed.
Anyone else starting to think that having a console company in charge of the PC platform is a really bad idea?
Seems like the rumors months ago that Microsoft was working on a version of Windows that would block Steam and that the internal motto was "10 ain't done till Steam don't run" was real.

>>387409742
>Windows 10 S bullshit againt
The same retard who post the same published again. What's going to happen next? you're going to post about Steam OS and other bullshit?

>>387409742
lol quit scaremongering, this is a completely different version of windows designed to compete with Google's Chrome OS

File: Point_and_Laugh.jpg (49KB, 1024x539px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 1024x539px

>>387409742
Nonsense. Only Windows 10 S blocks sys32 legacy apps, and it does so because it is a rename of Windows Starter

You can be 100% assured Microsoft will never block application installs because 99.999999999999999999% of all their PC revenue comes from license agreements with government and enterprise, and those two customers use legacy apps exclusively. Anyone who suggests otherwise is delusional to the point of needing to be committed.

>>387409893
>published
bullshit*

>>387406807
pc gaming has become socially acceptable. before anyone who had a pc and bragged about their videocard and all that were considered part of some small niche who also only played strategy rts games. with the rise of multiplats being available on pc with full pc features since the early 7th gen it's become more and more popular and now it's known as the definitive platform for all types of games. the muh controller and muh simplicity excuse has gone out of the window as pc's are just as easy to use as consoles now.

t. owned every console since 1995 and have had a gaming capable pc since ~2007

>>387409492
>>387409736
this.
Literllay every normie I know owns a PS4 with FIFA and GTA.

>>387409742
GOG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steam

>>387409742
>console company
>in charge of the PC platform
>microsoft is a console company

>>387409742
>Not running Win 7
>Not running Win 10 in virtual console in Win 7
What are you doing nigger?

>>387410016
This.

>>387406807

Not really. It depends on your tastes. I enjoy AAA and multiplayer games. Those are dead on PC. A vast majority of PC players are 3rd worlders on toasters.

File: 1498414457407.png (163KB, 382x452px) Image search: [Google]

163KB, 382x452px

>>387410726
>AAA and multiplayer games are dead on PC

>>387409947
Windows 10 in general runs all legacy Win32 applications through a compatibility layer, not that different to how Wine or DOSbox work.
Windows 10 S just removes that.

Its funny how people keep denying it, Microsoft have been really open about the fact that they think 10 S will be the most common version of Windows within a few years.
That's the kind of thing that happens when OEMs finally get the $0 version of Windows they've wanted for years.

File: wat.jpg (16KB, 505x431px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 505x431px

>>387410726
>AAA and multiplayer games are dead on PC

>>387410016
I won't disagree with you there, but 10 S will block GoG just like it blocks Steam.
Its a threat to all third party software sources.

>>387406807
PC is fucking garbage with shovel ware that pc beggars call 'exclusives'.

>>387407521
PC is the gaming platform

>>387410873

They arn't?

www.bf4stats.com
www.bf1stats.com
www.swbstats.com

Now think about CoD, Titanfall 2, Gears of War, Forza and so on.

If I want to enjoy those games, I have to boot up my Piss4.

>>387410963
That sounds fine to me. Windows 10 S should prevent mom and grandma completely fucking their laptops and thinking they need a replacement.

>>387406807
Probably cause a lot people woke up and realized that consoles are good for the few exclusives they have and Netflix on the couch. While everything else is on PC. Literally, I stopped buying 3rd party games when I built my PC. I only use my PS4 whenever an exclusive I'm interested in comes out. And that accounts for Persona 5, Nioh and HZD this year. The rest of the year every other new or old 3rd party game I care about, I've gotten for PC. And I've even started buying Indies on Switch since a few are just comfier on a handheld, but everything else in on PC.

>>387411161
Oh there will definitely be positive aspects to it, part of why Microsoft is pushing forward with it so aggressively.
It will just also have the affect of killing off all the current third party software stores as the versions of Windows capable of supporting them become a tiny minority of systems over the next few years.

That will have a lot of cascade effects on the gaming industry which could very well lead to another PC gaming crash of the sort seen in the 00s after the introduction of the Xbox.

>>387411045
Why would I buy a PS4 if I'm not into weebshit?
Why would I buy a Switch if I'm not into mario shit?
Why would I buy an xbone if all its games are on PC too?
PC is the go to gaming platform.

>>387411080
>If I want to enjoy those games, I have to boot up my Piss4.
Because you don't own a good PC. Kek.

>>387411080
>Buying multiplats
>On console
U dun goofed.

>>387411407
Why would I buy pc if I am not into web browsing?
PC is dead obsolete irrelevant overpriced garbage.

File: 1392218435039.png (15KB, 510x546px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 510x546px

>>387411360
>It will just also have the affect of killing off all the current third party software stores as the versions of Windows capable of supporting them become a tiny minority of systems over the next few years.
Nonsense. I work for the largest IT provider on earth, ATOS, and 100% of our customers (10x as true for European Government agencies) use legacy applications. A large part of our revenue comes from making legacy applications from the 90s function in Windows 7-10 alone. The entire nation of England is still on Windows XP for that reason in fact. We also do the infrastructure support for Microsoft on the east coast and a few other facilities. A close partner. They have no intent on dropping legacy from Windows mainline. The goal is to create a second parallel operating system which is part of their Singularity project. It will not include IBM code so they can get away from all their royalty payments they have to make with the NT kernel.

So there will be Windows 10 rolling, which is a classic OS (they bill it as a service and are moving to a service company where they do patching/support for businesses exclusively) that supports legacy and also the new OS which won't be called Windows.

There is a small division at Microsoft that has been pushing the removal of legacy support from 10 for a while now. They offer a service where MS will package your legacy app in their new UP container and handle support forever, making them liable for making sure the app works under future patches, however the project is a nightmare and close to zero customers have taken advantage of it. The few who have already are threatening to sue Microsoft from failing to render services. I seriously doubt that branch will ever take root. Microsoft has dozens of branching paths they try out, most of which don't work. This is one of them.

>>387411630
>graph shows PC gaming on the rise
>PC is dead
Woah woah woah woah

>>387411443
cod is dead on pc

>>387411443

I have so much money that I day-trade at work to pass the time. Not everyone here is sad. Not only is my desktop top tier - I bought an Alienware laptop last month just to also kill time at work.

That bullshit aside - its not that it won't run, it's that it's dead and/or infested with 3rd worlders and hackers.

>>387411630
0/10 bait

>>387411763
>ayylienware
>top tier

>>387409742
You seriously think Microsoft cares more about Xbox than Windows?

>>387411761
Name one game on pc that isn't trash?
Don't mention multi-plats since they sole existence is owned to consoles.

>>387411815

Was talking about my desktop.

I can't build a laptop.

>>387408287
>980+ games on Steam, after spending merely $191 USD
I'm a PCfag myself, but quantity is not greater than quality. How many of those 980+ games do you actually play?

>>387411887
now this is shitposting

File: 20170814161558_1.jpg (743KB, 2560x1440px) Image search: [Google]

743KB, 2560x1440px

I like PC because the graphics are better.

The thing that's good about PC is that games in general are cheaper. You spend money to build one, yes, but once you have it you can get a whole lot of use for not as much money.

>>387411887
>Implying PS4's weebshit isn't trash

>>387412087
PC will always be the cheaper investment in the long run.

>>387411693
>A large part of our revenue comes from making legacy applications from the 90s function in Windows 7-10 alone.
Well good news for you then, there will be a lot of good business in the next few years packing up legacy win32 applications up as UWPs.

> Microsoft has dozens of branching paths they try out, most of which don't work. This is one of them.
The problem is that when Microsoft encounters one of those things that doesn't work, their reaction is always to force it harder.

>they bill it as a service and are moving to a service company where they do patching/support for businesses exclusively
I'm not sure why that's supposed to be good for PC gaming. Microsoft has proved time and again over the last decade that they don't care about PC gaming at all as they've been willing to let gaming infrastructure for the PC sit and rot for years at a time.
Its really surprising that the industry hasn't put more effort into building a replacement that moves at the speed of hardware and needs of games, instead of Microsoft's updates only when there's a new Windows version and only for those users who upgrade.

>>387406807

There are more people without money - than with. PC is very popular in shitty countries.

>>387411887
I had no idea this level of autism existed.

>>387411035
No it' not and you are huge retard >>387409923

>>387412208
>pc is literally the poor mans gaming machine
makes you think

PC is the RTS gaming platform

>>387412469
fuck off starcraftfag

File: Steamdb.png (177KB, 968x330px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 968x330px

>>387411920
Hello, I have played a good majority of them, of roughly 1002 titles (including f2p ones), only 340 of them I have yet to touch.

Since multiplayer gaming is free on PC, I can get back to titles whenever I feel like too, which is comfy.

>>387412208
That's mainly because their import taxes are out the ass which makes consoles there relatively more expensive than in western countries.

>>387412469
and MMOs/Mobas which makes the most of money.

>>387412504
>Steam
>""""game owned""""
Lmao

>>387412583
enjoy your disc rot

>>387412349
Not sure what you're saying there.
That the majority of Windows systems being incapable of running software from third party sources isn't a huge threat to independent game developers?
Or that GoG games will somehow run on 10 S.

Remember when the narrative was that Microsoft would never, could never dream of releasing a version of Windows that wouldn't run legacy win32 applications? That them even contemplating that would be suicide.
Well now they've done it and now the narrative has rapidly shifted to:
>oh its not big deal its just this one weird side project you know it doesn't mean anything

>>387412625
enjoy your data rot.

>>387412504

Go back to multiplayer games? Brand new multiplayer games are dead on PC. What are you going to "go back" to? CS:GO?

>>387412675
Come on now, this doesn't even make sense. You have put put more effort if you plan to FUNpost.

>>387406807
the graph shows software sales

consoles dip around the time when new hardware comes out - with less enticing software

they start rising again in 2015 and from what we have heard about software sales in 2017, it has been a pretty amazing year for software so it's likely that the curve would keep rising

conclusion: you are all retarded

>>387412752
>Brand new multiplayer games are dead on PC.
Brand new multiplayer games are also dead on consoles, mainly because a lot of them are shit.

>>387412753
are you using IDE or SATA for your hard drives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_degradation

>>387412783

You are just spinning in a tornado of misinformation.

>>387412656
The main windows is Windows pro/Home or Entreprise. 10S is for school or those who want something like the Chrome which is locked shit. You just don't know about what you're talking about it.

If you want to install 10S on your PC, this your problem retard.

>>387412881
Whatever you need to tell yourself anon.

>>387412829
Using file systems that are more resilient to data loss than the common fat or ntfs, or making regular backups are both easy ways to avoid that problem.

>>387413000
or you could install gentoo, but >>387413000
you wouldn't game on that now could you :-D

I mean, I used to mainly be a consolefag pre-gen 8, though I was always an idort.
Gen 8 is the first time where I just said fuck it and ignored most of the consoles, especially since one of these consoles is completely and totally worthless and useless.
Consoles need to stop trying to compete with PC tech and just stick to focusing on the games, because they're all that matter at the end of the day.

>>387412752
Been playing a few games of Killing Floor 1-2 today, pretty fun, they have a more stable population than their console counterpart. Also had a game of Dawn of War 1 a moment ago, which still has 600+ players at most hours, a decade after launch, you can't say the same to any console games.

PC multiplayer is just fine, fellow anon.

I used to be big into PC gaming, had a beast for late 2000s early 2010s standards. One day when my parts started getting a little long in the tooth I said fuck it and just bought a PS4. I just can't be bothered worrying about recommend specs and all that shit for what actually amounts to a very minor performance increase when you're actually playing the game. I can't explain why but all I know is that now I play more games than I ever used to. Haven't bought a steam game in like three years. It's just not for everyone and that's fine, nobody is arguing against the objective superiority (in terms of power at least). I don't get why you're all so insecure that someone could want a different experience to play games in.

>>387412896
Home is going away. 10 S is its replacement. It will be the primary version of Windows on new systems within the next few years.

What would OEMs rather ship:
A version of Windows that costs them money
A version of Windows that costs them no money

OEMs are going to of course choose 10 S and pass the costs of a Pro license on to the users who want it, but like all optional add ons only a minority of Windows users will do that.
Market share of software not allowed on the Windows Store like third party browsers and software stores will plummet over the next few years as the Windows Store and Internet Explorer (Edge) are forced on consumers.

I like how a version of Windows that can only run software from one source as a competitor to ChromeOS is somehow ok.
ChromeOS is Gentoo, its trivial to have it run any GNU/Linux software from any source you want no expensive paid add on required.

>>387413135
because 7th gen was the last half decent console generation, whereas now in the 8th gen we don't have any good games out for the things and makig them irrelevant. I sold my Xbone for a ps3 and 20+ games around march last year and i've used the the 3 more than ive played the xbone

>>387412752
There's enough people who play online games on PC.
The Battlefield community is very much alive, so are games such as Killing Floor and Rising Storm 2.
Also multiplats such as Titanfall 2 still have a decent playerbase going. A game doesn't need 200K players to have an active community.

Consoles are no longer "stick a disk in and play". You have long installs, 999gb day one patches, more crashes than older games because "lol we can just patch it, release it as is".. Granted, you have all that on PC, but the difference is that you can easily google the problem and fix it because you have full access to your game files. Console gaming died when internet patches became a reality. You no longer had to bug test the game through and through or else risk recalling all the printed disks/cartridges.
Plus, this is not the 90s. Buy/build any pc and it will run anything that is within it's power. No bullshit with different videocards, soundcards, render mode bullshit. Just install shit and play, it's all standardized.

>>387413368
The Xbone is also just so bad that it's almost sad.
M$ blew their anti-consumer load too soon and it cost them most of their gaming marketshare.

>>387413230
I never understood the "worrying about recommended specs" If you're not a total poorfag and buy a tower that costs at least 600-800 you are guaranteed to run any and all games in existance, even if you have to do it on minimum. You can pretty much know how well you'll run it from a glance of a screenshot/gameplay video. With a few rare exceptions of poorly optimized games.

>>387413653
Or I can buy a PS4 like I did for 250 and be 100% guaranteed to play whatever I want plus some exclusives I might be interested in. Like I said, there are many reasons a person might prefer one over the other. I simply didn't want the hassle. I know you probably have pages of rhetoric about why I'm wrong but I and many others don't care. You don't work for your PC mate, have a day off.

>>387406807

PC will be overtaking consoles soon

a new console is literally half a grand nowadays, you're better off throwing in a bit more and making a good computer

unfortunately, this trend isnt mutually exclusive, i fear that phones and mobile games will be overtaking the mobile market but only if nintendo fails to deliver there

>>387408146
>pirate game
>is buggy/patchy
>half to run some sort of janky protocol to start it up every time
>could be missing features and content
>more often than not, cant play online/multiplayer

uh huh,tell me more

unless its a single player game, people buy things if they can

>>387409001
building a pc is literally easier than LEGO

>>387413820
Why such hostility? All I'm telling is that there is no hassle. You click "buy", it downloads, you press play and play the game. With better graphics, resolution, FPS, ability to use your preferred input method. Consoles are OK for somebody tech illiterate, but I can't understand why somebody with experience would want that. You must have had some bad experience with your PC.

>>387413874
You master race dudes have been saying this since 2005

>>387414007
>pirate game
>install game
>play game

File: ICameHereToLaughAtYou.png (119KB, 547x609px) Image search: [Google]

119KB, 547x609px

>>387412197
>I'm not sure why that's supposed to be good for PC gaming. Microsoft has proved time and again over the last decade that they don't care about PC gaming at all as they've been willing to let gaming infrastructure for the PC sit and rot for years at a time.
How so? Microsoft worked with Nvidia, DICE & AMD for nearly two decades on DX10, 11 & ultimately 12. DX12 has code from AMD & DICE engineers. It is the answer to stagnant PC game performance. The problem is developers aren't taking advantage of the API. It allows low level metal access to the GPU and can scale 100% to multiple non-standard non-duplicate GPUs. It is something like several thousand times more efficient than SLi and Crossfire. It reduces driver overhead by 190%.

Microsoft IS gaming. All major shader languages in the world are clones of HLSL. I worked, before ATOS, at EA for the 7th gen consoles (mostly PS3) and PSSL uses almost entirely Microsoft design methodology. It is a clone through and through. The same goes for Vulkan as a concept (OpenGL was inferior because it had to support vendor code and the consortium refused to ditch legacy code. It was backward thinking while DX is forward thinking).

So I don't really get what you are yammering about. The market will assure Sys32 will be a standard for easily another decade or two, and DirectX is the best available API on the market with the best shader language available.

Microsoft's small push to become a UP packaging team will and already has failed. Their concept of a service company however will catch on and minimize businesses like the one I work for. That will have a net zero impact on PC gaming though.

>>387411887
>Don't mention multi-plats since they sole existence is owned to consoles.

do.. do you think companies would just stop making games if consoles suddenly became so unprofitable they stopped existing?

>>387414156
sometimes it is that simple, fortunately

not trying to shit on pirating, im just saying if one has the money to blow it's easier just to save themselves the hassle

>>387414092
>You master race dudes have been saying this since 2005
And it happened in 2015, so they were kind of right.
And phones overtook handhelds in like 2012.

>>387414092
and it's been slowly but VERY TANGIBLY been becoming a reality

>>387414091
I'm a programmer lmao. I'm not tech illiterate. I just like playing games in a dedicated environment. What hostility? Point out some hostility in my post. I just pointed out that there are many reasons someone might like playing games on a console. Every game I need to run in 60fps (fighting games, racing games, competitive shooters if you're into that) do run at 60 on PS4, so who cares? Consoles are fine and they absolutely have their place. You really think everyone is gonna be playing on a PCMR tier rig in a few years?

>Best-selling exclusive (and game in general) of 2017 is a PC exclusive
Really gets that noggin a joggin.

>>387414385
>I'm a programmer lmao.
Stopped reading there.

>be me
>see discusting and immature behavior of PC gamers and especially PCMRetards
>don't want to suppport platform with such a shitty, immature and hypocrytical audience
>literally stopped buying games on PC
>havent bought a game on PC for like 2 years
>pirate and play everything on PC though because I want to play the best version
>buy console version instead so I have a legal copy,devs get my money and PC gaming doesn't profit from me

Is anybody else doing the same?

>>387414642
I'm surprised that this copypasta is still in use.

>>387414420
Honestly, too bad it is just another multiplayer bullshit without any singlplayer campaign. Why don't singleplayer games sell well on PC?

>>387414485
Ok

>>387414163
>nearly two decades on DX10, 11 & ultimately 12
Each of those was only available to users who upgraded Windows, and not to users who upgraded their graphics card.
The APIs tracked the OS / console releases instead of the hardware capabilities as they should have.
Think how much farther we'd be if it hadn't taken nearly two decades to get to a real modern API?

>OpenGL was inferior because it had to support vendor code and the consortium refused to ditch legacy code. It was backward thinking while DX is forward thinking
Of course it was Microsoft and a number of Windows-only professional applications that derailed the efforts to drop legacy portions of the API and push forward for modern gaming.
The best OpenGL drivers (for AMD hardware at least) actually dropped the legacy support anyway and pushed forward with AZDO functionality. One of the big advantages of open standards and platforms is you don't have to wait on the slower moving console ecosystem or for people to upgrade their OS.

>The same goes for Vulkan as a concept
You think Vulkan is a clone of D3D12? Vulkan is just finally the realization of the Long's Peak dream and is like D3D12 basically a form of Mantle 2.0.

>So I don't really get what you are yammering about. The market will assure Sys32 will be a standard for easily another decade or two
The industry doesn't work like that, otherwise developers would still be building DOS games. Once Microsoft demonstrates that Win32 is going away that shift is going to happen far more rapidly than you realize.

Who /still playing 7th gen consoles/ here? Mostly using my garbage pc from 2009 for most games made after 2012 or so.

File: Multiplat sales 2.png (2MB, 1238x3402px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1238x3402px

>>387414753
Singleplayer games sell fine, but multiplayer is where it's at if you're not some social autist.
You're not an autist anon, are you?

>>387414860
>can't pause

What if I have responsibilities?

>>387415051
Then you leave and go take care of said responsibilities?
What kind of question is that?

File: 823478123717.jpg (17KB, 356x323px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 356x323px

>>387414420
PUBG is unbalanced shit

i mean it's fun but my complaints

>spawns are way too RNG, the guy who literally lands right on top of a gun kills everyone around him
>UMP is more potent than 89% of the other firearms the game offers, unless it's open field, then a sniper with 8x scope is unbeatable and uncounterable
>THE FUCKING CIRCLE
>fuck the circle
>fuck it so hard
>it's random, and the players who landed where it happens to be closing in on can camp the edges and kill players like fish in a barrel
>if no vehicle spawns near you just die, nothing you can do about since it closes faster than you can run
>melee weapons are literally useless, not once have i ever used, or seen anyone use one, since guns are plentiful and render them obsolete, frying pan is objectively the best for the reason that it puts a small bullet-proof hitbox on the back of your hips
>sound emanation is all over the place, hard to tell where you are being shot from, sound-whoring is harder than it needs to be
>camping is king, completely unbeatable, since the game both pigeonholes players in one direction at all times and there is no way to flush out or identify camping players sans randomly chucking grenades into every room (which is not optimal or going to achieve anything considering you will never have more than 1 or 2 frags on you at any given time, and the rest of the grenades are fairly underpowered use-wise, fuck even the frags dont kill anyone in one hit unless they're practically on them so say goodbye to any chance of lucky kills)
>3 shotguns and only one of them is even slightly viable
>pistols, lol, literally 1 step up from melee weapons, and 50 steps down from every "primary" gun in the game, cant even use them while you're downed or anything, they literally sit there useless in your equip slot
>contentious since it's a bug and not a balancing issue but sometimes structures do not load but you can walk through them and see items inside, spawning you with wall/ghost hax

>>387415212
git gud

>>387415108
Multi-player games nowadays are a bunch of autistic competitive bull that punishes you for leaving though. I could say sorry guys g2g in AVP2 but I can't do that in any modern esports horse shit.

>>387415314
>Multi-player games nowadays are a bunch of autistic competitive bull that punishes you for leaving though.
No, not really, especially if you're just playing casual/using a server browser.

>>387415280
i take it you read nothing

File: devloping a PS4 game.png (258KB, 600x323px) Image search: [Google]

258KB, 600x323px

>>387414829
>The industry doesn't work like that, otherwise developers would still be building DOS games. Once Microsoft demonstrates that Win32 is going away that shift is going to happen far more rapidly than you realize.
If the industry didn't work like that then Microsoft wouldn't still be supporting XP, almost a decade after mainline support was supposed to end. The game has changed. License holders have a huge amount of power now. If the customers lose legacy support then they will have NOTHING tying them down to the Microsoft ecosystem. Microsoft's power over the industry is very shaky. It exists entirely due to 30+ years of continuous legacy support.

>>387414753
multiplayer games are the most popular on console aswell

>>387414753
Skyrim sold pretty damn well

also Nier: Automata more recently

>>387415551
Yes, but most of them also have some kind of singleplayer content for singleplayerfags like me (with some exceptions). While most played MP games on PC are just MP and nothing else - DOTA, LOL, CSGO etc.

File: 1502881292981.jpg (48KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 640x480px

>>387412752

Titanfall 2 has been a "ded gaem" since release on PC and I play it about 5 days a month np. It may not have 50k concurrent players but matches don't have long queues. PC games tend to also hold a larger % of the player base due to the classic multiplayer culture it's had since the 90s.

On console there's this intense air of consumerism where it's all about jumping in to the latest AAA game. I bet you'd have difficulty playing something like killzone 3 in this day and age but my friend and I hopped on BF3(6 year old game) last month and had no problem finding full servers.

>>387415475
>If the industry didn't work like that then Microsoft wouldn't still be supporting XP
They aren't though, at least not for gaming. Don't confuse them offering very expensive ongoing security updates for a few niche enterprise/government clients with general support.
That support costs more than its worth to Microsoft in terms of time and resources. The employees that they have still supporting nearly 20 year old software would be much better spent attempting to compete against their current threats.


Like you've said, Microsoft wants to shift out of being a PC infrastructure company to a services company. Dropping Win32 legacy support on to the community like they did with DOS support may lose them some customers to ReactOS, Linux with Wine, or customers simply updating their infrastructure to something web based but that was already likely to happen. Its just shifting the time table up a few years and putting Microsoft in a better position to hold on to those users before the alternatives have fully gotten up to speed.

>>387416032
>consumerism
Or consolefags just rather play singleplayer games - atleast I do.

>>387416191
You're in the minority actually, most consolefags are MPfags just like most PCfags.
You think people buy CoD for the singleplayer?

>>387414091
>With better graphics, resolution, FPS, ability to use your preferred input method.
KB+M is low-skill input method, and in 99% cases you want to go into settings because bad optimization.

>>387416272
I do

>>387414420
Nice. PC game model is now an early access garbage mp sold at a high price with no content, one fucking map, but micro transactions.

>>387416191
Everyone I know who owns a console mainly plays fifa, gta, cod on them, and to a lesser extent minecraft, battlefield, destiny (in past) and ark.

They're mainly multiplayer just like pc. Nintendo is the only platform which isn't.

File: 1501147653725.gif (2MB, 208x200px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 208x200px

>>387416191

Well I meant more games like call of duty where activision repaints the old one and charges $60 + all the dlc shenanigans every year. Consumers then buy the game in droves every time.


Singleplayer games don't have to worry about the concurrent player base

>>387416442
Console game model is now an early access garbage mp game sold at a high price with no content, shit maps, and even more microtransactions.

File: 1502279774441.png (137KB, 680x678px) Image search: [Google]

137KB, 680x678px

>>387416685
so the entire industry has devolved to this shit

>>387417129
Yep
That's what happens when an industry gets huge, only way to fix it is for both AAA games and indieshit to take a huge hit to sales.

File: smugg.jpg (31KB, 208x208px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 208x208px

>WAH PC IS THE BEST
>PC IS THE FASTEST
>PC IS THE MOST POWERFUL

>Has a lag of 14 days when trying to play Sonicmania

>>387406807
What do you mean "seems to have"? PC hasn't been inferior since the early 90's.

>>387416323
Nice bait

>>387411762
PC wins yet again, baby.

>>387420645
to be fair if the consoles had more than cod and battlefield they'd experience the same issues.

If PUBG, H1z1, cs:go suddenly disappeared cods pc playerbase would shoot straight up.

>>387409742
>console company
Let's put this out of the way, Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony did not start out as video game companies and Nintendo is actually the only one of the 3 that mainly deals in the video game market.

File: 1346957309960.gif (27KB, 125x125px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 125x125px

Nah.

I talk to a lot of normies and everyone thinks PC gaming is gay as fuck.

Most PCfags are toddlers to be honest. They just wanna play Minecraft and PUBG.

>>387416032

According to the stats - more people play that on PS3 than on PC.

>>387420886
This is only in america. In uk it's the "mainstream" with people over 18 and has been for a while.

>>387421076
I'm in the UK.
Everyone I talk to says "PC gaming is okay but I prefer consoles". Even the spergs.
Sometimes I wonder how delusional PCfags really are. They say "CONSZOLES IS FULL OF CHILDREN!!11" while being 13 and trashing every single video game they play with their awful girly voices.

>>387421076
There is no way you won't take this the wrong way, but people from the UK are cheap as fuck. This is coming from a Jew, too. Everytime a game comes out all I hear is "20 quid?! Bullshit mate. Ill pirate it or wait for a sale" I don't think anyone in UK pays full price for anything without bitching about it.

I heard someone say they would wait 2 years for Destiny 2 to go on sale for PC. Its a fucking rapid expansion mmo shooter thing. Fucking retarded.

>>387421191

When I was a kid EVERYONE was playing on 360/ps3, then it started to switch around sixth form and now at uni PC generally seems to be the most common.

It's not as if no one has a xbone or ps4 but they're certainly way less common.

Obviously this is ancedotal though.

>>387421326
Lol I thought this happened everywhere

>>387421571
Uni
Ah okay that explains everything, PCs are great if you're leeching money off the government and you're a libcuck
In the real world I don't know a single person who plays video games on PC

>>387421076
Kek no, UKfags are consolefags through and through.
PC gaming is biggest in the US and Asia (sans Japan).
The US and China alone download more data from Steam than all of Europe, all of South America, Canada, and Russia combined.

>>387421673
>libcuck
>Liking open platforms where the free market reigns supreme
The UK is hilarious.
Libcucks fucking LOVE consoles, and console devs are almost all liberal faggots.
ESPECIALLY the ones in Europe.

>>387421673
>leeching money off the government and you're a libcuck
Kek it's because you're a chav

>>387421326
Like anon said, this is EVERYWHERE.
I'm not paying $60+ for a game to line some kike's pockets.

>>387421887

Or your job at Wendys won't let you. I buy games out of boredom and flip stocks to recoup the losses of buying dead games on PC. You're doing it wrong.

>>387422095
Only burgers would be willing to get jewed this hard, it's nothing to do with not being able to afford it

File: 1477581780243.jpg (149KB, 749x751px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 749x751px

>>387421841
>>387421812
>consolefags
>uneducated poltards

>pcgods
>educated white collar workers

Makes u think

>>387422327
poorfags

>>387422514
I'm a top 1 percenter for my age. I've got $50k spare at 19 don't want to burn through it though

>>387422095
>>387422514
>Kike tries to convince people to spend more money on games
Every time.

>>387423082

Do you think everything should be free?

>>387407797
>Graphics card not being supported
Never had to worry about this. If you have a half decent card you will never have to worry about this.

Former idort here. Really consoles aren't that bad for what they are. A cheap machine that only plays games. Parents would likely prefer them for kids since they are limited in only playing games are a few other apps. PCs open the floodgates to all content that isn't gaming only.

Only reason I don't buy consoles anymore is the paid online. Never had an xbox because of it and held off a ps4 because of it. Not getting a switch either and I always got a nintendo handheld. Truly the most cancerous thing that has sprung up. Hopefully they'll remove it if enough people stop using them because that shit is garbage.

>>387408538
>People are actually this deluded.

>>387413230
PC gaming has some flaws that most don't even notice. I've been playing on PC as long as I can remember and I wish people would stop pretending it's perfect so the problems can get recognized and fixed.

>>387424335
>Only reason I don't buy consoles anymore is the paid online
This
This shit right here.
Fuck paying for my own internet twice.

>>387414163
Vulkan>DX12

File: IT_Support.gif (469KB, 500x375px) Image search: [Google]

469KB, 500x375px

>>387425138
What is funny is Vulkan performs significantly better on Nvidia hardware than AMD while AMD has better performance in DX12.

Meanwhile AMDfags are pro-open source and anti-DX. Doesn't make any sense.

>>387413282
If OEMs cared about OS costs, they would ship their laptops with Linux. They do not, because the OEM licence price is figuratively nothing. Not a single OEM would bundle Win10 S with anything faster than say mobile Celerons, simply because customers would give them the middle finger, either with returns because "their son's vidya gaems don werk".

This OS is literally only for tablets and netbooks, and probably continuum phones.

>>387411762
???
There's 350 non-empty COD4 servers with <50ms ping for me. How many are there on PS4?

Like 90% of the best games to come out this year were console exclusive, most of them on PS4. It's frankly quite pathetic how few quality exclusives the PC gets and how many of those actually push a powerful PC....most of the best PC exclusives are indie games that run on a toaster and come to console eventually anyway.

>XD none of those games are good cinematic console trash
So please, tell me the AMAZING choices on PC this year instead. I mean you people will shit on games like Persona 5, BotW or Yakuza 0 but there's never any good response as to what's supposed to be better on PC. I own a very powerful gaming PC and almost all I ever play on it is console ports or indie shit because there's just about nothing else.

File: superdata2015topgrossing.jpg (101KB, 585x915px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 585x915px

>>387407524
>>387407647

Dont see consoles having powerhouses like asian csgo and league of leggings.

File: 1473341114458.jpg (2MB, 1056x5488px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1056x5488px

>>387407521
Intended purpose =/= actual purpose

Besides, that's one of the reasons PC is as popular as it is.
If you want any productive shit done you need one. Slap in a $150 card and you have a gaming rig that can easily beat current gen consoles.

>>387417526
>1,209,600,000ms

>>387406807
Sitting in front of PC holding mouse in the right hand, using keyboard with the left, on a chair will never be as convenient and comfortable as sitting on a coach holding a joypad with your two hands, being relaxed and playing video games on a big screen. I know some people will disagree, so I have to point out that this is my own, subjective opinion. I spent a lot of time trying to convince myself to PC gaming, but the end result is that I prefer the comfort of playing on a console. Of course I wouldn't play FPS and RTS this way, but those are not my favorite genres, so I don't have this problem.

>>387427329
>sitting on a coach holding a joypad with your two hands, being relaxed and playing video games on a big screen
There is nothing stopping you from doing this with your PC. Steam even made a display mode and UI for this called Big Picture that is entirely controller operated.

I woud be the first gu to build absolute beast PC, or even just a better PC thatn my current craptop I it had the games that interest me.
But for some reason I am stupid that I decided to not buy a PC faor gaming according you PCfags.

>>387427549
Oh yeah? How many of people you know would bother taking your PC near your tv, connecting everything and then doing it in reverse to use your PC for something else than gaming? That's a very theoretical argument, but nobody actually does that. People are too lazy to change game discs these days, not to connect/disconnect PC with tv.

>>387427676
Wireless connection is possible for most TVs and PCs. It's no different than having to change a TV to aux mode or rgb input or channel 3 whatever these days.

>>387427676
People buy dedicated consoles that live in their home entertainment system, why not a PC?
Also, this>>387427759

>>387425447
> AMDfags are pro-open source and anti-DX. Doesn't make any sense.
The open source drivers for AMD hardware are much faster than AMD's own drivers.
Part of that is a Vulkan driver which is already frequently faster than AMD's Vulkan driver.

AMD had at one point talked about open sourcing their Vulkan stack, they're now joining Valve and others in contributing to the open source RadV driver.
Direct3D serves no purpose now other than lock in, it needs to go away.

>>387427759
>>387427849
Ok, that is an argument. It didn't work for me though, because there's also an issue with joypad compatibility, some games have it, some don't. On a console you don't have to configure anything, it just works.

>>387427329
>>387427676
>I prefer comfy controller on couch gaming
>a pc can do that
>yeah but who does that
Every fucking time

>>387427954
That's a very fair point, and was the initial idea behind the Steam controller - that it would be compatible with all games through Steam, but I don't know how well it worked.

>>387427954
Generally speaking, modern games released on PC that are also on consoles will have built in controller support. Games without it are usually the type of game you wouldn't find on a console anyways like Grand Strategy. For those types of games you have the steam controller which emulates using a mouse+keyboard.

>>387428068
I'm personally too lazy to do that and I don't know a single person that does that, I'm not saying it's pointless. I'm saying it's not comfortable, requires effort.

>>387428213
I haven't tried it, but IIRC the reviews are bad and supposedly the hardware is cheap plastic.

>>387428213
Pretty well, its best for games that weren't designed around a traditional controller and games that allow for keyboard or mouse can have some issues with prompts shifting back and forth.
The ability to use configs set up by other people is great, but at least in my experience I always set up my own.

>>387428447
You're okay and don't deserve my bile anon, carry on

>>387428621
Peace, PC bro :)