Have games been declining in quality in recent years? If so,

>>387385861
people are getting more and more stupid and developers pander to the lowest common denominator.

It makes money

*miss*
*miss*
*miss*
*miss*
*miss*

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>>387385861
l recently started playing Oblivion for the first time. Any recommended mods to make the game better?

>>387385861
Yes
Mid-to-late 2000's
Average people are getting into video games, and average people are really REALLY stupid compared to the people that were into video games prior to mid-to-late 2000's

Once gaming started to hit the mainstream developers realized they didn't have to put quite as much time or effort into their work as they used to seeing as they no longer had to cater to a niche audience.
The money thing is the big part though. Why put passion into a game and make no money when you can make a Call of Duty clone and make millions?

>>387385861
I don't really think Oblivion was a drop in quality, but saying it's better than Morrowind is going to depend on who you talk to.

However, Skyrim was a huge drop in quality from those two.

>>387388698
Away from maybe removing level scaling (which I don't honestly feel like is a huge problem in the first playthrough), and maybe character model updates so people don't look like potatoes, you're pretty much good to go.

>>387388615
It's a fucking RPG, what do you want?
>MOMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THE GAME IS CHEEEEAAAAAATING
>I HIT HIM MOMMMMM

>>387388698
Honestly? None. Maybe some graphics mods but if you're playing it for the first time I'd recommend a vanilla experience so you understand how gamers back in 2006 felt.

>>387385861
>literally gold bronze silver
>1 3 2
>mfw that's the games ordered by quality
now i understand Todd, now i understand

>>387388791
Not an argument, dipshit

>>387385861
quest markers / map markers have been a blight on this series since oblivion. it contributes to lazy world & quest design.
>b-but just turn them off!
you cant because the journal system is so anemic and the npc directions are so lacking.

that and them neutering RPG mechanics for no other reason than casuals who dont want to have to think and want everything to work

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>>387385861
Nah, 2017 has been pretty great for games. Every year has its gems and its busts. /v/ just tends to exaggerate the latter for its own amusement. I mean, where's the fun in a game selling a respectable amount of copies and being generally well received? That shit doesn't make very good ammunition for the console wars, but at least we'll always have dead horses to beat such as Tortanic and Blunderborn.

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I saw a mudcrab the other day.

>>387388615
>lol I have 5 points in weapon, why am I not god with weapon

>>387389205
I never got why people meme the *miss* aspect of Morrowind, but not the way more atrocious vanilla magicka system.

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>>387388864
According to some sources I didn't bother investigating, quest markers and map markers also make your brain smaller
Literally dumbing the player down

>>387389324
Because the casting/magicka regen system is fundamentally flawed.
*Miss* only applies when you're out of stamina, using a weapon you're not skilled in. Only retards and people pretending to be retards ever talk about it

>>387388807
Shock and disappointment?

>>387385861
Voice acting, full stop.

>>387389447
ya you're referring to loss of grey matter in the hippocampal memory system. it's due to players not having to remember certain things like directions, what they're doing, npc names, etc.

>>387389447
quest markers don't cause that
the game drawing a path for you to follow trains you to just follow orders. it's fine to put a dot on the map, as long as you have to make and follow your own route to the point, it's ok

>>387389615
mod download?

>>387385861
I am not sure if its a decline in quality as much of a dilution of quality. Overall I would say there are more 'good' games today then in the past but nothing about them really stands out due to games trying to do too many things at once.

>>387389615
>90 relationship with god
i wouldnt say thats half bad

>>387389447
Morroshit’s crappy gameplay and visuals literally made my brain shrink in real time.

>>387389615
>>387390358
>90 relationship
>still gives you shit about not accepting Jesus
Hes a dick.

>>387390510
nah its easy just accept jesus. thats his only condition. jesus is a bro

>>387390510
>the cashier at my grocery store really likes me
>why won't he just let me take magazines off of the shelves?

>>387385861
No they've been getting better. Apart from a the loss of a few trivial features, Skyrim is a net improvement over Morrowind.

The problem is that this leads to a much more popular and mainstream game, which breeds resentment among the Morrobeards who long for the days when Elder Scrolls was their secret club with unappealing graphics and unintuitive systems to keep the hated normals away.

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>>387390717
Bretty solid bait

I think the focus on having a cinematic experience in AAA (Bioshock Infinite, Uncharted) titles fucked things up quite a bit. Bland open world games (Batman AC, Final Fantasy XV, Assassins Creed) games being too bloated, killsteaks in multiplayer, Activison in general is cancer, Bunjie committing suicide and making a bad franchise, micro transactions, the rise of MOBAS and dumb shit like PUBG, twitch, Ubisoft taking care of woman's rights before their audience, etc.

Am I forgetting anything?

>>387385861
Why did they remove attributes, class, etc.? It's so odd to go from playing Morrowind and Oblivion and suddenly only have health/magicka/stamina stats in skyrim.

>>387391109
juden raus

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>>387391246
A classless system is not entirely a bad thing if done correctly. It's part of the reason I preferred to play runescape over WoW and other mmo's back then.

>>387391246
To remove the main system that differentiated one character from another. Since anyone can pay/grind to max all skills, attributes were how characters became unique. Modern Beth philosophy is for every character to be the exact same, so attributes had to go.

>>387389951
>Dead Space
>nav point says go to the left
>immediately go right because there's obviously gotta be phat loot there

>>387391907
so is that a no?

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>>387391742
>try to go the wrong way, looking for loot
>accidentally go the right way
>can't turn back for whatever reason

>>387385861
>Have games been declining in quality in recent years?
That's kinda tough to say because games have changed so much over the last 20 years in so many ways that it's really quite subjective.

I would say that the role of the publisher and of advertising in game development has become more and more central to the success of a game and that this hasn't been good for the creativity or consumer friendliness of games.

Overall quality however is too broad of a metric to gauge objectively.

>>387385861
games are political instead of being fun

>>387385861
Games went thru a retarded cinematic "adult" phase, and now are slowly, SLOWLY getting out of it.
The whole last generation was pure cancer, and the next one MAYBE will be good, assuming we can get rid of all the mobile inspired shit.

>>387389615
>Solstheim

EVERY FUCKING NPC

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>>387390696
>food analogy that fails to disprove my point

>>387385861
Games aren't worse than they were years ago. They're just different. Whether or not that difference is something you like or something you hate is up to the individual.

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>>387388723
Actually, the difference is that they have less patience and devotion. Just how much of a difference in intelligence is is debatable, gaming has always been more of a practice makes perfect thing than using your brain, with certain exceptions.

>>387392808
>doesn't know how to read

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>>387385861
>Have games been declining in quality in recent years?
Yes.
>If so, when did this start happening and why is it happening?
The rise of western market dominance and influence.

>>387392802
yo man, you should really check out these werewolves and shit man

>>387393598
>MUH WEEB GAMES

Fuck off, Japan still produce good games but it's a shadow of its former self

>>387385861
2012.

>>387385861

Well of the three there, Oblivion is best. I know Morrowtards are going to be pissed but I played years after the popularity died down and I can't get over how shitty the gameplay is, nor the lack of voice acting. I'll give it another go once Skywind is finished.

>>387394156
>Oblivion is best

Of course Oblivion is fucking best, anyone disagreeing with this fact is just a retarded cunt who deserves nothing but a violent injection of cold steel and lead through the skin

>>387393728
And you have the west to thank for that, see: the Final Fantasy, Biohazard and Street Fighter franchises.

>>387385861
Skyrim is much better than oblivion, so no

>>387385861
Yes they have. Games cost more to produce nowadays due to voice acting and having to have stupidly good graphics so they must sell more copies to break even, and so they decide to make games appeal to a broader audience in order to sell more games. The big nail in the vidya coffin has been DLC, which allows companies to earn big amounts of money with minimal effort involved. That's the general explanation.
I don't think video games are worse than they used to be 20 years ago, per se, I just think that most games are just "ok", really good video games are harder to find, especially if they're so called triple AAA a games.
Source: My ass, but Superbunnyhop released a video recently explaining how some companies evade taxes and earn profits almost entirely by selling DLC, so there's that.

>>387394450

Jesus Christ...

So many people say Morrowind is the best...? I just...I don't know understand?

>>387388460
This plus $$$$
10 or 20 years ago games were about making good games. Now we have basically 3 AAA devs pumping out trash for the sole purpose of making money.

Even Indie games are cash grabs half the time. Only way you can win is piracy or playing F2P shit and not buying JewGold from their stores.

>>387388723
Where's the pic that boils it all down to 2007, the year when Big Bang Theory, Portal 2 and a bunch of other shit basically all got average people into games?

>>387394942
>The big nail in the vidya coffin is DLC
Actually, I would argue that the true nail in the coffin, the point of no return once it's done becoming mainstream is micro-transactions in full price games.

DLC is bad, but at least there is SOME effort there and it doesn't outright encourage developers to make the game worse and less fun to play. Micro-transactions do though (not to mention requiring even less effort than DLC) and we've been seeing them creep more and more into games that you had to pay money to buy in the first place.

>>387388864
Just turn them off. You know about iHud dont you?

>>387395224
Retards that can't read shouldn't post

>>387395257
I can read, you're just complaining something you can turn off with a mod.
You think Todd "The Jew" Howard is gunna devote dev time/money to something the community can just make themselves? Course not.

>>387395367
What part you cant because the journal system is so anemic and the npc directions are so lacking."
don't you understand?

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>>387385861
its not just recent years, it happens to every good series eventually.

devs want to branch out and hit a larger audience because it means more money.
its just fucking greed and the game always suffers.
but its ok though because normies will eat it up and defend it.

>>387395202
GTAO and now Overwatch are the biggest offenders I can think of in recent memory in terms of exploitation of dlc.

>>387395170
2008 was the year video gaming lost its innocence.
>Spore, Will Wright's most ambitious project to date, is released in a form butchered and bastardized by Electronic Arts' executive meddling, destroying on of gaming's greatest visionaries' dreams for good.
>A decade-long wait for fans of Fallout and RPGs ends only for them to discover firsthand the horrible future Bethesda has for their beloved franchise, whose legacy is now superseded by Fallout 3's massive sales and press acclaim.
>With Crysis having failed to print enough money for EA's satisfaction, publishers worldwide declare PC exclusives officially a thing of the past. What was once designed for the platform is heretofore console first, forever hindering the FPS and RPG genres among others.
>Now that the honeymoon period of Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 is over with, Wii owners are forced to discover the shovelware monstrosity they naively sacrificed their money towards.
>Metal Gear Solid 4 sets a abominable precedent for cinematics superseding gameplay, as well as brutally raping the lore of one of gaming's most beloved franchises.
>The first wave of YouTube Let's Plays begins, ushering in one of the industry's most abominable cancers that will prove only more destructive with time.
>"Angry Joe" Vargas and "DarksydePhil" Burnell begin their respective YouTube careers. Enough said.
>Portal becomes ruined by the first major case of normalfags meeting memes and utterly destroying the sanctity of a video game in the process, as relentless cries of "The cake is a lie!" bury a barely year-old title in a sea of verbal and cultural diarrhea, setting a terrifying precedent for video game culture to come.
>Developers see the massive success of last year's CoD 4: Modern Warfare, setting the course of first person shooters on a dark path that it will inevitably take many years to recover from.
>Super
>Smash
>Bros.
>Brawl.

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>>387395553

>>387395367
>don't like the shitty, low-res textures and lods?
>just turn off the graphics lmao

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>>387395741

>Graphics: on/off

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>>387395170

>>387395786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

>>387395827
that fucking tom hit me the hardest

>>387385861
Yes.
Same thing that happened to the film industry. Budget bloat with associated investors who know nothing about video games dictating that the game be as marketable (bland and inoffensive) to as many people as possible. The budget enforces this, because the game has to be a massive, massive fucking success or else it doesn't make back the overblown budget and likely tanks the company.

>>387394942
Remember the good old days when graphics were functional, and voice acting (if there even was any) was done in-house by the staff, or else by one of a handful of people who did it mostly for fun and still had day jobs?

>>387395202
You're correct. I mentally bundle in microtransactions with DLC but they're completely different.

>>387395867
Did I just watch the video equivalent of a strawman comic?

>>387385861
Honest question here OP how old are you?

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>>387394942
>DLC
In my day we called them Expansion Packs

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>>387385861

>>387397504
Funny how vidya has always been inclusive in Japan and yet nip games never had this problem.

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>have games been declining

I unno OP I'd take Skyrim or Call of Duty over the shit like Superman 64 or LJN games.

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>>387388791
>hit man with sword
>miss

>>387398028
It seems like Japan has 2 types of people:
hardcore gaming autists
salarymen/housewives that will never touch a video game in their lives

>>387395553
you used "abominable" twice, almost back to back

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>>387395553
I can agree with this.