So now that Xbox has essentially committed suicide and relegated

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>>387360059
yes

>>387360059
No one, big publishers will just create their own streaming services once the technology and market conditions allow for a them to completely replace physical and non-streamed digital media the consumer has come level of control over.

>>387360059
Valve seems fairly well positioned. The work they've done over the last few years is really starting to pay off. They could at Dev Days this October announce their next gen Steam Machines as a single board Ryzen+Vega SOC based system.
They already have thousands of games, just passed 3500 recently, including a number of big AAA titles.
With the additional bonus that Valve has had a bunch of developers working on open source drivers for AMD hardware for the last year and they're now the best drivers for AMD hardware that have ever existed on any platform.

>>387360390
To add, sales for dedicated gaming hardware has been down since 6th/7th gen. 8th gen sales totals will be lucky to reach that of 5th gen, let alone 6th or 7th. PS4 is the only one still selling, Wii U is already done and Nintendo has moved onto a new console and Xbone isn't going to move many more units.

>>387360059
>Nintendo isn't competing with Sony
Stop this meme, Nintendo is literally fucking Sony in the Japanese market, the only markets they really invest thought into.

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>>387360059
>Sony, Nintendo and Atari as the 9th gen competitors
Time for the old men to shine again

>>387360390
I don't think there's a realistic chance of that happening. The infrastructure necessary to shift even the current market onto a streaming only gaming scene just does not exist and likely never will given how fucking awful infrastructure spending is in the States, Australia, most of Asia, and the developing world - which are key regions for where the market is currently growing.

Never-mind the implausibility of just how expansive and widespread the data centres would need to be.

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>leave sony to me again

>>387360059
There's no one left stupid enough to try to jump into this rat race. The Ouya was a flop, the N-Gage was a flop, Sega shit out of the race years ago. The only real home console left is going to be the Playstation and that 100% is not a good thing.

>>387360616
Yeah, sure, because it went so well the first time around.

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>>387360701
they literally said they are making a comeback in this game, trust the process lad.

>>387360610
Well that's why I said when the technology and market conditions allow for it. Streamed content costs the least for the provider and ensures the end-user has little/no control. Physical retail sales are way down, publishers are already ready to move to a digital-only model, and streaming is the following step.

>>387360546
That's nearly entirely because of the Wii being a one hit wonder on a completely fucking incredible scale with the casual market and Nintendo's handheld line collapsing with the rise of smartphones and tablets dominating children's attention.

If you just look at Sony and MS they're actually outpacing their performance in the last two gens currently in terms of hardware sold, and Nintendo seems to have finally figured out how to make a successful console again. If anything the gaming scene looks like it's gonna continue growing going forward if you ignore the anomaly that was Nintendo in the seventh gen - ESPECIALLY with Africa, South America, the Middle-East, and most importantly China and South-East Asia starting to have inroads made in them.

>>387360584
Sony isn't being fucked by them at all, the PS4 is still selling well and getting every important Japanese game that isn't developed by Nintendo itself or associated directly with their handhelds.

>>387360585
Forced meme

>>387360585
>implying Atari's not bluffing about their power
At best it will be a bit better than a ps4 pro and at worst it will be a little higher than a Switch

>>387360584
>once in a while when you look at weekly sales it happens to outsell console that already sold 65M units
>literally fucking Sony in the Japanese market
There's deluded as fuck and then there's you.

>>387360585
have they even revealed more info about this?

>>387360390
There's a couple of ways this could happen, but there's also some major technological hurdles in the way.

They could simply run the game remotely and stream the output to the player. There have been a few attempts at this before but they were always sunk by Microsoft's interpretation of Windows licensing making it unreasonably expensive to spin up and destroy instances of Windows with a game ready to go. There's speculation this is what Valve's Linux initiative is really all about as there's no such issue with Linux, part of why its extremely popular in modern virtualized server environments, and as mentioned already the drivers particularly for AMD hardware are in excellent shape, and you'd want to use AMD hardware for the same reason you wouldn't want to use Windows, Nvidia's proprietary licensing bullshit when it comes to virtualization.

The other way is web delivered games that run natively on your system, but for that to be competitive we'd need to see more uptake of WASM, which a few engines already support, and a next-gen replacement of WebGL lets call it WebVK which would need browser support which may be an issue for Apple and Microsoft devices.

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>>387360585
Woodgrain or bust.

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>>387360059
None, things will remain the same forever no matter how much you meme it

I don't think any company on the planet meets the criteria necessary:
>Is absurdly rich and can sink a few billion into opening or buying out a few studios and developing/producing/distributing/marketing the hardware
>Has the connections in the industry to attract talent to lead its studios and to ensure third party titles consistently release on their system
>Thinks that doing all of this would be a profitable enough move to justify an attempt at breaking into such a specific and competitive marketplace they likely have little experience in, rather than spending the cash on easier endevours

At best we'll get something like Tencent buying out Sony or dedicated retro-consoles like what Atari is planning that are aimed at a niche audience and not intended to compete with actual, proper platforms.

>>387360889
>That's nearly entirely because of the Wii being a one hit wonder
Absolutely not, the other two consoles still sold a combined 170 million units that their 8th gen counterparts will not come close to matching. PS4 is the only console that sold well. Wii U is the worst selling Nintendo console ever, Xbone has vastly undersold. The total number of consoles sold has shrunk massively, and its not just because of the Wii. 6th gen totals were almost as high as 7th, and again I'll be impressed if the 8th gen consoles manage to outsell the 5th gen consoles after all is said and done.

>If you just look at Sony and MS they're actually outpacing their performance in the last two gens
Sales have been down every year since ~2011, with a possible exception in 2015. Xbone is not coming anywhere close to the 80m total 360 hit. I'll be surprised if PS4 passes the PS3, PS1 or Wii in sales as well. It might crack 80m, but combined with the Wii U's paltry 14m and the Xbone's actual sold-through number of something between 20 and 25m, 8th gen sales are way down when compared to the last several sets of consoles. Software sales aren't as strong as they used to be either, you can't blame western M-rated AAA games and Sony and MS's consoles selling fewer units on the Wii.

>>387361041
Only a small portion of PS4 sales have come from Japan. At the rate it's selling, it could surpass PS4's Japanese sales in only one year. Probably not so in America, but it's still been holding its own, outselling the PS4 most of the time even while selling only a fraction of its potential due to being understocked.

>>387361418
I legit think Amazon might go for it in the future.
>Have the cash
>Have a proprietary engine and studio and have indicated its just the beginning of their development work
>Have a marketplace they already use to sell the vast majority of physical games which incentivises them to find a way to cut platform holders outta the equation
>Keep buying into companies related to gaming like Twitch or making inroads in the mobile appstore market

If MS bow out for real then I fully expect them to be one of the most likely candidates to try to fill their boots, or at the very least for them to try set themselves up as a direct competitor to Steam in the pc market

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>>387360059
>Xbox is no longer in competition with Sony, because like Sony they are only making home consoles
>Nintendo is no longer in competition with Sony because unlike Sony and Xbox, they are not sticking to home consoles
>Also what are computers lol

>>387361418
Apple seemed like they might be heading that way for a while, but they've completely missed out on five+ years of advancement in the graphics API department and their attempts to force their own proprietary API are laughable.

Google is fairly well positioned, several companies have already tried to make Android/Linux consoles with varying degrees of success and their adoption of Vulkan and other moves to bring Android and GNU platforms built on top of Linux closer together could make it easy for some big AAA games to arrive on the platform.

Another possibility is that the hobbyist indie consoles built off of common hardware like the Raspberry Pi could really catch on. The next-gen board for instance will probably still be $35 when it arrives in another year or two and will have much more memory and an SOC capable of supporting the Vulkan graphics API on top of a mainline GNU/Linux stack.

>>387361041
>>387360998
Switch – 87,798 (61,933)
PlayStation 4 – 34,691 (43,862)
New 2DS LL – 24,187 (33,871)
New 3DS LL – 17,276 (22,200)
PlayStation 4 Pro – 7,771 (9,077)
PlayStation Vita – 4,651(4,773)
2DS – 3,527 (3,740)
New 3DS – 740 (1,078)
Wii U – 132 (158)
PlayStation 3 – 95 (96)
Xbox One – 75 (90)
Literally sells double than PS4 and handhelds going strong
>Mu-muh delusion by nitenkiddies!!1!
Keep damage controlling

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>>387360541
Gabe could do that...

But then he could also just get bored with hardware like he already was and go back to making Dota memes

>>387361938
That's cute anon you're still not getting any japanese games though

>>387361464
>Absolutely not, the other two consoles still sold a combined 170 million units that their 8th gen counterparts will not come close to matching.
They're literally outpacing them right now as I type this. If the gen goes long like the last one thanks to the half-step iterations they're releasing while also expanding into new territories they are well on their way to beating them.

>PS4 is the only console that sold well.
Objectively false considering the Xbone is still beating the 360 for now.

>The total number of consoles sold has shrunk massively,
Not if you cut out Nintendo, in which case it beats the seventh gen at this stage in its lifecycle. Even including Nintendo it's currently beating the sixth.

>Sales have been down every year since ~2011, with a possible exception in 2015
Where the fuck are you pulling that from? The PS4 is posting record highs YOY and the Bone is by all indications still barely beating the 360. Besides, it's completely normal for the first half of a gen to not do as well as the second half - that's been the pattern since the 90s - so the fact that the PS3 in 2011 was outselling the PS4 now or so on means nothing in terms of the latter's final sales.

>Software sales aren't as strong as they used to be either, you can't blame western M-rated AAA games and Sony and MS's consoles selling fewer units on the Wii.
Once again, this is blatantly false assuming you mean compared to the same point in the seventh gen and irrelevant if you're comparing to its end. Are you actually basing these claims on any figures or just going by gut feeling?

>>387361938
Where are these numbers coming from (curious)

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>>387361778
>Also what are computers lol
Glorified consoles only able to run UWPs from the Windows Store if Microsoft has their way.

>>387360059
S E G A C O M B A C K H Y P E

>>387360889
>Wii being a one hit wonder on a completely fucking incredible scale
Has a better attach rate than 360 and lots of the best-selling 7th gen games were on the Wii, I don't know why people keep pushing this meme.

>>387360059
>niche market
>when it outsold PS4
kek

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>>387360584
>Nintendo is literally fucking Sony in the Japanese market,
>Japanse market
Oh for a second i was worried, false alarm then

CRACKDOWN 3 HAS BEEN DELAYED TO 2018
I REPEAT
CRACKDOWN 3 HAS BEEN DELAYED TO 2018
CANCELLATION IS IMMINENT XBOX IS DONE

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>>387362051
While the media has been asleep after declaring SteamOS a failure, Valve has quietly continued working on it particularly on the AMD driver stack.
You know how disappointing the performance of Vega is? That's only an issue with the official driver.

Third parties are suffering without Xbox paying them to support the console. More will sink, one after the other,until PlayStation sinks with it.

>>387362069
Media Create sales data. You can find it being reported by various sources.

http://gematsu.com/2017/08/media-create-sales-8717-81317

>>387362069
Japan only

>>387362115
>WINDOWS 10 S
Lmao cuck. Use pro or Home.

>>387362129
Because it's true? The Wii captured a market that essentially no longer exists, its not getting repeated.

>>387362272
>SteamOS
https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/the-great-steam-machine-flop-less-than-500000-stea-33206398/
LMAO

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>>387362115
>Microsoft will kill off all Win32 apps including the ones goverments and billion dollar enterprises still use daily just to sell a few extra copies of Crackdown 3 on the Windows store

They're retarded but give them some credit senpai

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>>387362372
More Wii owners bought a PS4 than PS3 or 360 owners. It create some long-term market growth, but not enough to make up for Wii U not selling in terms of overall growth.

>>387362447
You can build your own Steam Machine, most people who wanted them built them instead of buying them.
The systems that got sold were basically dev systems, even the Alienware was basically built as a minimum hardware target.

Nobody else has the game library or the technological base to seriously attempt a console.

>>387362063
>They're literally outpacing them right now as I type this
But that doesn't mean they're going to sell as many total units, and I don't think they will. 360 and PS3 were on the market and kept selling for a decade, they had much better software support, at least when it comes to Xbone, and sales for consoles were trending up, not down.

Xbone is not shifting two to three the number of consoles its already taken almost four years to sell, its simply not going to happen. PS4 might break 80-90m if we see sales pick up again, but again totals between the two are/will be way down when compared to 6th and 7th gen. The total number of consoles sold is getting smaller, even if you cut out Nintendo.

>irrelevant if you're comparing to its end.
I'm just comparing yearly sales, not totals for each set of consoles. 8th gen will fall well short of 7th in either department though, not to mention the number of titles published. PS4 has maybe 800-900 games actually available to buy and play, Xbone a few hundred less, and Wii U a few hundred less than that. Compare that to the 1200-1500 games each of the 7th gen consoles had. Wii U isn't getting more games, Xbone isn't magically doubling its library in the next couple years. PS4 is the only one doing well. The console market is shrinking, not growing.

>>387362631
They're doing it already senpai. XP support has been fully killed despite massive backlash and Vista is being accelerated to the chopping block.

Give it twelve to fifteen years and W10 will be what the majority of businesses and first world governments use, and kids will be calling all computer programs 'oops' the same way they call them apps nowadays.

>>387362372
But I just fucking factually proved to you that it wasn't?

It had a better attach rate than 360 and sold almost a billion units of software. People bought and played games for it, it wasn't an overnight fad. Are you going to argue with these numbers? Because they're not wrong.

And why do people assume that because Wii owners didn't buy Wii Us that they abandoned video games forever? The fucking president of Sony said they were actively trying to get the Wii's audience with PS4, and it worked.

>>387362631
They're going to do it because it gives them a huge amount of additional control over their platform.
It will fix a ton of their security issues, publishers concerns about piracy, and allow Microsoft to finally give OEMs a $0 license for Windows across the whole spectrum of their devices.

It won't be the first time Microsoft has rapidly dropped support for a legacy platform, and just like how its trivial for developers to bundle up old DOS games with DOSbox it will be trivial for developers to bundle up win32 software with Wine.

Those billion dollar governments and enterprises actually want this, its absolutely trivial for them to pack up their software and add it into their own private versions of the Windows Store. As with Microsoft they'll have all kinds of new control over their users that they had previously only dreamed of.

>>387362272
I do hope this is true. Windows needs a good gaming oriented competitor after all that isn't some obscure linux distro for dweebs. I just have issues trusting a company that's entire motto is "do whatever you want and if you get bored just leave it". That's pretty much why the current valve made hardware like the steam machine or link has not been successful. Why bother working on something unique and difficult when you can just make billions off of cosmetics?

It's like trusting a fat kid who has important homework to do with some cakes all over the room. He's just gonna get bored and go eat, y'know.

>>387363153
I think you're misinterpreting what one hit wonder means in this context senpai

>>387363146
>Give it twelve to fifteen years
Windows 7's EOL is a little more than two years off at the very start of 2020.
Windows 8's EOL is a little further out in 2023.
All Windows versions other than 10 though are already effectively EOLd, Microsoft is aggressively forcing everything forward to 10.
The majority of systems even in the corporate and government world will be Windows 10 S within 5 years.

can you guys stop writing such long comments? it hurts to read all of it

>>387362887
The console market's been expanding in sales since the Switch's release. It could see consistent growth over time now that the big Nintendo-shaped void has been filled.

>>387363310
Again, why do you assume that because Wii U didn't grab Wii owners that they all dropped video games forever and didn't buy anything ever again? Wii U sold like shit because Nintendo set it up to fail. Name was confusing for too many, they did a very poor job communicating what the console was and did, marketing was non-existent leading up to release and its launch library was very lacking due to a reliance on third parties who delivered little beyond $60 ports of $20 360/PS3 games and alack of any big first-party games for almost a year. It was just not an appealing console, it not selling well doesn't mean every Wii owner woke up one day and decided to never buy or play video games ever again. They just didn't buy Wii Us.

>>387363182
One of the big advantages of Valve making their major contributions to Linux gaming open source is that anyone else can pick them up and benefit from them.
The Vega drivers Valve's team are working on work just as well when used with Ubuntu, or Arch.
When single board SOC systems are the norm in the PC world a few years from now, Linux distributions like Lakka or RetroPie will be able to easily expand to offering modern PC games in addition to classic games.

>>387363427
I'm accounting for the fact that businesses and governments the world over tend to be lazy cunts about actually keeping their IT department well funded, their staff trained, and their systems up to date - hence shit like the Russian virus from a few months back briefly crippling the NHS in Britain because of how out of date their software is.

Mix that with MS inevitably giving a stay of execution for 8.1 (at least) for a few years like they did for XP (in exchange for a very nice cheque) and I can see W10 only really hitting its stride by 2027 despite the fact it should be by 2024 at the latest if people actually understood IT security's importance and kept on top of it properly.

>>387363602
Well that's only been a couple months, will need to wait a little longer to see how much of an effect it will have on total yearly sales for all platforms. Switch could sell phenomenally well but we could still see sales go down overall if PS4 slips this holiday season and Xbone continues its downward spiral.

>>387363693
>Again, why do you assume that because Wii U didn't grab Wii owners that they all dropped video games forever and didn't buy anything ever again?
Because the numbers literally do not lie. The console market has shrunk massively compared to last generation if you include the Wii's sales, indicating a massive drop of buyers occurred somewhere alomg the way.

Now, where do you think that most likely came from? The massive casual audience the Wii uniquely grabbed and who have moved to smartphones plus facebook games, or the dedicated crowd who had a 360/PS3 plus a Wii?

>>387363693
The casual market that bought the Wii has essentially moved on to mobileshit and the like. No console is going to be able to capture that same market again just because of how things have changed. It really has nothing to do with the Wii U or its shitty marketing.

>>387363756
>shit like the Russian virus from a few months back briefly crippling the NHS in Britain because of how out of date their software is.

Stuff like this is exactly what will get those organizations on to Microsoft's rolling release platform only capable of running a limited subset of signed software.
Especially with the cost of office level computers continually dropping. In a world of sub $50 PCs its way easier to replace, virtualize, or isolate all the old systems.

Those Russian viruses won't work nearly as well infecting an old XP machine running some old cat scan if none of the rest of the systems on the network are susceptible.

>>387364079
>The massive casual audience the Wii uniquely grabbed and who have moved to smartphones plus facebook games, or the dedicated crowd who had a 360/PS3 plus a Wii?
AGAIN, you're just assuming this. Why couldn't millions of them have bought PS4s instead? Oh, right, because that doesn't fit the narrative you've already decided is factual.

Your entire argument operates under the assumption that only Wii owners bought Wii Us, only 360/PS3 owners bought Xbones/PS4s, which is fallacious.
>>387362742
Contradicts what you're saying too, There weren't 100 million soccer moms and grandparents who bought a single game console and never bought one again.

>>387364184
It has everything to do with the Wii U itself. The DS line had a lot more to lose from the growth of mobile, and the decrease in sales from the DS to the 3DS was not nearly as severe as the Wii to the Wii U.

>>387364184
>The casual market that bought the Wii has essentially moved on to mobileshit and the like
Have anything factual to back this up? Because the only numbers presented ITT so far say this is bullshit.

Just because the Wii U sold like shit didn't mean all the people who bought Wiis shrugged and said
>Whelp, guess I won't buy another game console!
When they decided they didn't want a Wii U.

They just fucking bought something else, and yes, that would include lots of tablets and phones too. Because my point is that all game consoles, not just Nintendo consoles, are generally selling fewer units year to year, not more like they did during 6th and 7th gen.

>>387364782
>They just fucking bought something else, and yes, that would include lots of tablets and phones too.
So you agree then? Because those aren't game consoles.

>>387363602
That really only seems to be the case if you account for the fact that the Switch is bringing the handheld market into the console figures.
The real test of the Switch will be if Nintendo can bring the price down aggresively over the next few years for that sub $200 price point where 100 million system sales generally happen.

>>387360059
Fuck you corporate shill, xbox one x is going to blow every other shit there is out there out the water.

>>387364184
>The casual market that bought the Wii has essentially moved on to mobileshit and the like
3DS proves otherwise

>>387365139
No, dipshit, as I've explained several times, the Wii didn't bring 100 million customers in and then they all magically disappeared.

The console market is shrinking, but its not solely because of the Wii, and AGAIN, FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME, the only numbers presented ITT so far back this up. You're just assuming the only people who stopped buying games were Wii owners who bought and played nothing else and then went to phones/tablets, which is fallacious.

>>387365931
well of course it wasn't only Wii owners but you can't just say they don't account for most of the shrinkage.

>>387365931
The Wii picked up a lot of the market that the PS2 had a generation before. People who bought a system as a party favor for a few games and then didn't do much more with it.
That audience has largely gone to phones and tablets, but its still there if a system can hit the right price with an excellent local multiplayer game.
Something than the PS4 and Xbone aren't even really trying to do. The WiiU was too expensive and awkward to realize its potential in that regard, the Switch might manage it though.

>>387366386
There's also a lot of former console owners who are just playing on PCs now.
The console market is being eaten on both ends.