>Sonic finally gets a good game Is Mania the first great sonic

>>387322069
The DS unironically made Sonic great again. Then Sega told them to make more Iizuka trash.

>>387322069
>sonic rush
>great
look mate, I owned the game and beat it probably 4 times already(including the hidden ending) and it's not that good. it's a decent time but certainly not great

>>387322637

This man is wrong, it's fucking great

>>387322069
Sonic was never good

>>387322885
*3D Sonic was never good

>>387322815
I mean, I guess different strokes for different folks but I thought it was a 7/10 at best. Hope mania is as good as people are saying though. or at least better than rush

>>387322973
It introduced blaze, making it an instant 9/10

The soundtrack pushes it to 10/10

>>387322069
But Rush Adventure was better. And Generations was great.

>>387322973

Sonic Mania is a really expensive S3&K romhack and how much you like it will depend of how rad that sounds to you

>>387323017
oh so you're shitposting.
>>387323086
yeah but I never did play the older sonics. only played about 4 sonic games(one of them being rush) and I still have yet to play a sonic game I think is great. hope mania changes that

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>>387322069
No

>>387323196
Just play the old games.

>>387323397
I was hoping to play mania so I wouldn't have to play the older unpolished games

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>>387322069
It's the first great game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

I mean, we can say that Sonic Advance was alright, or that we have nostalgia for Sonic Adventure, or that Generations and Colors are decent, but Sonic Mania is actualy the first truely great Sonic game since 1994. It and the Genesis games are the only Sonic games that could go head to head with Nintendo's platformers.

The MC scores reflect this. Colors and Generations both have high 70s while Mania has a high 80.

Sonic Mania Advance when?

TOO BLACK
TOO STRONG

Rush was an ok game, but it pales in comparison to genesis titles.

>>387323637
I did like that song though

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>My face when Hideki Naganuma's use of samples.
>My face when I found out Wrapped in Black sampled a Malcolm X speech.
The man is a genius.

>>387323580
Metacritic has an 89 for Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast. Does that mean Adventure 2 is a better game?

>>387323310
>Sonic riders ZG
>first one isn't listed
Die.

>>387324694
I didn't play the first one. I went straight to Zero Gravity assuming it was a just an upgraded version.

>>387323310
>Advance 3
>Pit and crusher simulator '04

>>387324840
Git Gud

>>387323452
You're really an idiot

>>387324970
interesting. tell me more

>>387322069
>Rush is great
No shit you unholy cow of boost fag. Stop baiting people into playing this trash and making even more victims and trolls that will say sonic was never good.

>>387324490
Yes

>>387322973
Its a great game but the presence and focus on Boost changes the rhythm of play a lot, since gaining speed is less of a concern and gaining Boost by tricking and fighting is a concern

>>387324840
Are you really saying that 2D sonic are not filled by unpredictable pits ? So I might give them a try, because my only 2D sonic experience was advance 3 and it was very frustrating

Why are you so mad, faggot? Rush is a fine 7/10 game.

>>387325595
meant for >>387325062

>>387323934
>>387323934
The voice clips are samples from one of Malcom X's speeches.

>>387325537
Advance 2 was a lot better. Advance 3 had way too much stopping points, weird obstacles, slow-moving platforms that you had to ride, ect.

>>387325729

Malcolm X
November 10, 1963
>It’s just like when you’ve got some coffee that’s too black, which means it’s too strong.

>>387325825
That was to balance the game for every team

I thought Sonic Rush was pretty OK and a step up from Sonic Advance, but still not as good at it could have been.

Sonic Rush Adventure was pretty garbage though. Surprised people like it so much.

>>387325519
could you explain what makes it great? just curious as I thought it was average at best

>>387323452
I would say 3&K is a perfectly polished game by modern standards and holds up even better than Mario's classic 2D stuff. 1 and 2 not as much.

>>387326353
I'll probably play that then if I enjoy mania

>>387325657
It was my first sonic game after leaving the series for really long time after 3&K. I was exciting all over for this because fags were praising it greatly and I was expecting something like 3&K.
And as I actually playing it, it raped my mind in everyway with boost, tricks, horribly linear level design, awful enemy placement, abused pitfalls and only playable character other than Sonic being Sonic re-skin with minor stat change.
I just don't understand the appeal, maybe because I didn't devote enough time into it, but I couldn't bother to play it again after barely beating the story.

I dont get people saying "it was fun but nothing too great"

Nigga sonic was never anythinh beyond "pretty fun game", the games were never revolutionary like a lot of people seem to think, they were just fun and looked cool. The level design and game mechanics were always kinda cooler than functional. Each game got better, with S3&K being the most well thought out 2D sonic, but it still had some rough edges, typical from arcade game designers making a console game.

There's a reason sonic games follow trends instead of setting them, and that's because it is a mascot franchise first and foremost

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>>387322069
*rush adventure

FTFY mate

>>387326082

Now that i think of it, i liked rush adventure more than rush
I found boosting to be a welcome addition, since its fun to mess around with as you get to add a vector to your speed at pretty much any moment making it very exploitable. Tricking was fun, any ability that lets my instantly change the direction of velocoty makes me feel so good. Changing paths based on QTE ls is normally a bad thing but it works pretty well in a speedy game like this.

But more importantly the previous and succeeding 3d games were tire fires

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>>387322069
sonic rush was the advent of this boost dash shit wasn't it?

not sure how I feel about it retroactively knowing that

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>>387322637
Nah it's pretty great. Adventures may be even better, but both have their own things they do better than the other. Either way, OP is wrong because Colors came out after both those games.

>>387322637
Wrapped in wrapped in wrapped in black

>>387327089
*Sonic Rush Adventure may be even better

Blaze is sensual

>>387322069
What would their children look like?

>>387326353

>holds up better than mario

I'd say S3&K is the only 2D sonic that comes close to Super Mario World in terms of design, but none are really better.

Sonic got games because he looked really cool, and fans forgive the obious flaws in his design, Mario is a shit mascot, literally a fat man with a moustache, but his games are incredible and influential as fuck, so people overlooked his character design and made him a mascot anyways.

>>387326880
yeah, what the fuck? how dare people expect great games?

>>387322637
>hidden ending
???

>>387327089
This.
Why did everyone forget about colors despite being a solid game?

>>387326954
>>387326880
I think both of these comments explain the sonic fanbase

>>387322069

Colors was pretty good and I don't care what anyone says, the first Riders was fun as hell.

>>387327089
again, you can disagree but I didn't think it was great

>>387327420

All I'm saying is that sonic fans always expect the games to return to a god tier level of quality, when they were never really THAT revolutionary.

It's like expecting the next battlefield to be better than Half-Life and then be disapoited when it's just another battlefield

>>387327508

Because it's a Wii game, same reason people forget games like Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Sin & Punishment 2 and Pandora's Tower happened.

>>387327656
I wouldn't even consider myself a sonic fan but I see no reason a sonic game can't be great. If it's done right, it could easily be great

>>387327615
Riders was 10/10
You could do some crazy shit if you were good at it. Rewarded you heavily for knowing how the game works and pulling off cool shit.

>>387327768

Theres no reason any game wouldn't be great, but you base your expectations on reality. Thay argument makes no sense. "X game could be really good, they just have to make it be good" Well, duh.

>>387327880
I loved the og riders and zero gravity had some crazy stage skipping shit if you use the gravity shit hard enough to blast you over voids

People thought Rush was "great"?
Sonic autism knows no bounds.
I mean, it was okay a bit better than the Advance shit but the music was sloppy and not at all catchy (I just generally dont find Naganuma enjoyable though) and it was still clearly a Dimps game with all the level design bullshit that entails.

I know my remark about the music will trigger a lot of weebs but DAMN is that shit obnoxious. What even genre is that shit? It's like all the worse parts of soundcloud put through an oh-so-quirky Japanese blender. Rush Adventure was even worse but that was some one doing a Naganuma pastiche.

>>387328036
I don't understand your post. are you saying sonic will never have an amazing game?

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>>387327368
more importantly

what would their children look like?

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Iizuka is the true visionary of the series, you philistines. Not this Western pig you call Taxman.

I can't wait for him to personally fire the entire Mania team out of spite. You think you can take Sonic away from Sonic Team? Think again.

>I really liked this game because of how fucking broken and poorly made it was and how that allowed me to do crazy stuff after hours of trying to manipulate Sonic in this clearly unfinished shovelware

I feel like maybe that's missing the point of trying to make a good game...

>>387328240

I'm saying sonic was never AMAZING, it was a fun 2D platformer, but it wasn't halg as revolutionary as people make it. Sonic fans always get disapoited when a new sonic game isn't a groundbreaking 10/10 game, like a game just being fun isn't enough.

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Rush is just okay. It sucks compared to Advance and Advance 3. Same for Rush Adventure.

Blaze is awesome though.

Also Generations was really good aside from the bosses.

>>387328516
I guess it depends on how fun it is. my job can be a bit fun sometimes but it's not like it's as good as sex. People just want MORE fun. is that a crime?

>>387328516
Sonic was good enough to give Segan edge in a market it never had a presence in. You can say they dont hold up or whatever, but yes, Sonic was amazing and the Genesis even being competitive at all was a testament to that.

>>387328626
>Blaze is awesome
Huh? Why? How?
Assuming you say that for completely non-furfag reasons of course.

>>387328297
Ghosts can't breed.

>>387328739
Have you ever tried?

>>387322815
Not him but I replayed it a couple months back and was surprised to find it kind of boring.

>>387328731
yeah, not sure about this either. blaze had about as much personality as shadow but without the anger and lust for revenge. pretty boring. Maybe she's more interesting outside of that one game though. I mean, I guess her fire powers are cool

>>387328637
You're really not getting it anon. There's nothing wrong with wanting more. But there's something a bit out of touch, though, with acting like Mania reinventing the entire genre and obsoleting every other platformer should be expected because that's what Sonic's history is. Because that's not what Sonic's history is. The Golden Era of Sonic games is really more of a comparative thing within the series than compared to games outside it. Mania fits right alongside that era.

>>387327508
People hate the slow platforming. I understand that it makes like 80% of the game but it's still really fun considering the main line games that came before. It's literally Sonic Rush but with "AAA" budget and new mechanics

>>387329012
I think I get what you're saying. I guess I just want more games that add to sonic's gameplay like mania added the drop dash

>>387324490
Adventure 2 is a very good game with a lot of content.

The thing about the Adventures was that they were more just straight up 3D Platformers. The Knuckles find the treasure stages are straight up in the vain of Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie. It's a totally different beast from 2D Sonic.

Fans started to say "Sonic is about Speed" so Sega reduced the series to just that with Sonic Heroes, Sonic 06, Unleashed, and Generations.

I hope eventually Sega does make a Sonic Adventure 3 while letting Headcannon make proper 2D Sonics.

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>>387328397
post yfw Mania team becomes the new Sonic Team

>>387328649

Sonic was a highly marketed mascot that sold more on its image than on being a good game. Sega knew how to market their stuff, it was the RADICAL 90s, and Nintendo was bent on being the family friendly company and remaining traditional, while Sega was all SKATING AND BACKWARD HATS, so Sonic was the perfect mascot for the time, and his games sold on his image alone. Sure they were fun, but that's it really.

>>387324241
>>My face when I found out Wrapped in Black sampled a Malcolm X speech.

Source?

>>387327370
Mario's design is fine.

>>387327656
>All I'm saying is that sonic fans always expect the games to return to a god tier level of quality, when they were never really THAT revolutionary.

Sonicfags are delusional. Many of them probably still think they were ever on Mario's level.

>>387329483

http://www.whosampled.com/sample/38118/Hideki-Naganuma-Wrapped-in-Black-Malcolm-X-Fire-%26-Fury-Grass-Roots-Speech-(Side-Two)/

>>387329397
I doubt it. They might be kept on to keep doing stuff in the vein of Mania's original Sonic games shtick, but I doubt it'll become Sonic's main game type again, even if Forces goes down in flames worse than 06 or Boom. That they keep chasing that 3D gameplay style even after seriously fucking up twice just goes to show you'd have to kill Sonic before Sonic Team moved away from that line of design.

>>387322069
Rush wasnt good. I have rush and colors for the ds and they both blow dick

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>>387322069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zdzOv5tMHo
1:57
>tfw

>>387329789
you know blaze was a lot more of a likable rival then shadow

>>387325825
Ah so I'm not the only one with this opinion, I just picked up Advance 3 recently and thought it was tedious as hell, which surprised me since Advance 2 was one of my favorite game as a child.

>>387329910
Not him but no

>>387324840
Advance 3 was my first Sonic game. I've always had an abusive relationship with this franchise.

>>387330057
shadow is out of his element dude

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>>387330147
What does that mean?

Is Blaze a slut for human cock?

>>387330329
edgy shitty character

I appreciate how goofy it was in adventure 2, but after that it went to far

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>>387324490
Sonic Adventure 2 was kinda at the right time, at the right place. It was released during a time when 3D Sonic was still a novelty of sorts, and was also the Dreamcast's swansong. Naturally, people looked at it less critically.

Meanwhile, look the scores of its re-releases. SA2B originally didn't even come out a year later than the DC version and yet it got way lower scores. People were kinda beginning to catch on by then.

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>>387330378
yes

>>387330390
GUNS AND BIKE

>>387329910
Nah. Blaze never felt like a "rival" per se. She's inherently too friendly with Sonic. Shadow's basically Sonic's antithesis and equal personality-wise and power-wise and absolutely makes for perfect rival material.

His trio dynamic with rouge and omega also works nicely to contrast sonic tails and knuckles as a trio.

>>387329923
Well, have you played 2 since then? Lots of games come to seem tedious when you aren't a child anymore.

I don't think I ever played 3 so I can't really compare, but I liked 2 a lot as a teenybopper.

>>387324241
isn't he the genius that did the jsrf and jgr soundtrack? i love him so much

>>387330551
Omega was legit desu

>the final model of the e series was super disobedient like gamma so eggman locked him in a room

>>387330435
>2 player mode
>No boost to win gameplay
>Sonic and Shadow levels have a healthy dosage of speed and platforming
>Chao Garden

It's not hard to see why Sonic Adventure 2 was looked at positively.

>>387330390
He's not edgy at all outside of his own game though. Hell, 06 Shadow was the least angsty character in the game and the only one who spoke to the effect of: "this edgy shit doesn't bother me, I'll just keep on truckin' like I always do"

>>387330604
Yeah, it's the same guy.

>>387322637
This. I wanna ____ that cat and all, but rush is mostly trash.

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>>387322069
how good would sonic unleashed be if it didn't focus on the werehog levels?

>>387330930
Unleashed is a good game and the night levels are enjoyable. It'd get less hate if it were called Sonic & Knuckles and the Werehog wasn't in it.

>>387330668
Omega's honestly one of my favorite characters in the franchise conceptually simply because he's so conceptually at odds with the tone of the sonic world; a literal murderbot in a saccharine world where nothing ever dies. The comedy potential there is just amazing when you juxtapose him with something like big or cream.

>>387330985
Can a human impregnate a tit bat?

>>387331129
He can damn well try.

>>387331032
Unleashed would be 100% a good game if not for the fucking werehog battle music replacing and resetting the stage music every five seconds. That shit utterly drags the game down.

>>387331094
WORTHLESS CONSUMER MODELS

>>387331218
>the fucking werehog battle music replacing and resetting the stage music every five seconds.
Yeah, I like the song but I hate it interrupting. Let me have my mellow relaxed music.

>>387330602
I'm going to dl it again soon, but even if it's been a long time I don't remember having to stop running in Advance 2 as much as I did when I played Advance 3.

>>387330604
>jgr

fuck off burger

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>>387331316
I feel like i'm in the minority that likes unleashed. the boost mechanic was much needed and the level design for the day time levels were pretty cool to me at the time, the werehog levels were kind of fun too except for the fucking jazz music that would play every 10 seconds but oh re than that the game was good. I can't believe ign have the game a 4.9

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>>387331094
>rewatched some 06 let's just fucking suffers recently
>reminded they turned Omega's slightly robotic voice into a total annoying cliche and had no real hint of his robotic murderous intent
Shame. Also had good taste in waifus.

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>>387331903
>not flat
D-DELET THIS?

>>387324840
Anyone who disagrees with this then throws comparisons to the original games needs to actually go back and play them.
The amount of deaths by crushing blocks coming from no where in Advance 3 is crazy, and straight up not comparable to the original games.

>>387332174
You are supposed to use the team combinations.

>people talking about what sonic games they like and dislike
>waifufaggot comes in and starts posting furshit
Pack your bags, boys.

>>387332308
Waifus are the best part of the series

>>387331761
I like Unleashed too. It's a charming game and the night stages are pretty much God of War for kids. It's a nice game with some flaws.

>>387332470

The Wii/PS2 version had better night levels, actually, and that's the one I played. I never understood why people bashed the werehog levels so much until I actually played the 360 version and realized that the difference was pretty big.

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>>387329360
>The Knuckles find the treasure stages are straight up in the vain of Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie.

That's a reach, anon. Knuckles levels were pretty bad.

Anyone else notice the Rush reference in the Lava Reef Act 2 boss?

>>387332627
She's a big girl.

Good OST hampered by Dimps everything else. Even the OST is ruined in-game since the trick sound effects are so loud and obnoxious. Boost gameplay just doesn't work in 2D, with the maybe exception being Sonic Colors DS since it has more fluid movement.

>>387332660
It's exploring a 3D World collecting doodads. I'm not saying those stages are great stuff but it is pure platforming.

Music was great though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGAvaUZOqXc

>>387332856

Eh. I think knuckles was not interesting enough to control to put it up there but i guess it drinks from the same water as those games.

Music was great indeed.

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out of the way, plebs

>>387329440
Spoken like someone who was still swimming the nutsack at the time.
Part of that image was tied to the gameplay itself. I was die hard Nintendo, as most American kids were at the time.
The Genesis had been around for a few years but no one gave the slightest shit. Even the Master System years prior tried to play 2cool4you style marketing and they fell flat on their faces. Sonic was a game so solid it made people care about the system it was on.
Even after the SNES came out Sega was able to hold on, not by marketing, but because the games were good enough to retain the fans. Why you think marketing alone can keep something afloat is confusing. I had comic books with Jaguar and Turbo Graphix ad spreads in them for god's sake.

>>387332856

Yeah, it's pure platforming but with no real challenge, just annoying.

>annoying radar that only tracks one emerald at a time regardless of how close you are to the other shards
>Knuckles/Rouge control like shit moving way to fast and jittery like Sonic when the stages ask for slow and precise movement
>you can basically just glide and climb anywhere, so there're no real platforming challenge
>camera constantly gets stuck on objects and prevets you from seeing what's right in front of you

The only difficulty comes from dealing with the bad controls/camera and the shitty radar.

The music was dope though, I'll give you that. I mostly replay SA2 for the songs alone.

>>387322069
>Rush
>great
Nah. Sonic Advance 2 was the only good Sonic game after the Genesis

>>387333524
Is this version actually good? Should I buy it?

>>387333524
>7 (seven) stages
>classic Sonic has the homing attack (????) and modern Sonic is 2D only, making classic Sonic just the worse version of the two.
>all optional quests are locked behind a ridiculous amount of play coins and are way worse than the console missions

5/10 is the best I can do

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>>387333524
fuck off manlet

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>>387322637

BURN YOU HERETIC

>>387333723
Advance 2 was the most shallow of the already weak Advance games though. Of ALL the games it was the closest to fit the "hold right to win" meme

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>>387328739
check out this bigot, next you'll tell me skeletons cant breed

>>387333824
>>classic Sonic has the homing attack (????)
You realise you can unlock that in the other version too right?

>>387332180
>>387332075
>>387331974

It's hilarious how stupid you furry faggots are. Nobody is even responding to your shitty porn/art and yet you keep posting it in hopes of getting attention. Learn to take a hint and buzz the fuck off faggot!

>>387333908
What even is the appeal of this character?

>>387333928
It's sad that the first Advance game is the best, since Advance 2 goes full-Dimps with muh speed and Advance 3 just has horrendous level design.

And Advance 1 is really just a poor man's S3&K.

>>387322950
This. 2D Sonic was a really phenomenal series that had so many amazing mechanics and such a great feeling of momentum to some of the levels. It was so good it let Sega go up against Nintendo toe to toe.

>>387333972
You get it early in the game, and it is required for Classic Sonic.

>>387333679
>Why you think marketing alone can keep something afloat is confusing

Holy fuck, how naive can someone be? Sonic is LITERALLY marketing: the franchise.

He was designed from the ground up to be the perfect mascot for selling games. I was around at the time, and I remember the Sonic hype, which I was into aswell. Sonic was cool as shit, and we were too young to think about things like "level design", we just wanted to go fast and look rad.

Nintendo characters are made into mascots because their games are sucessful, Sonic games are sucessful because he's a highly marketed mascot. If you can't see that you're blinded by nostalgia my man.

Is there a video of green/pink spheres in Sonic Mania? I can't seem to find anything on youtube.

>>387333972
I don't why anyone ever would use that shit. Classic Sonic in Generations is also bad but not as bad as 3DS Generations.

>>387334028
Advance 1 is better than Sonic 1 or CD.

>>387334028
>and Advance 3 just has horrendous level design.
Nah dude. 2 has the worst level design because of how simplistic it is.

>>387334023
t. underage who never played rush

>>387334140
Sure, I agree with you there.

>>387322069
>since Sonic Rush
Are you implying Rush was good, or the beginning of it's shitty Boost2Win era after the decent Advance games (minus 2)?

Because the only redeemable factor about Rush is that it gave us bestcat.

Can we all agree the HBH are the best character additions to the series since Metal Sonic?

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>>387333752
it's Sonic Rush with different graphics, decide for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mozMNPvYX30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRQfO1gv4qo

>>387333824
>7 (seven) stages
quantity=/=quality
>classic Sonic has the homing attack (????) and modern Sonic is 2D only, making classic Sonic just the worse version of the two.
boohoo, the homing attack works fine, and 1 Sonic being inferior doesn't make the game worse
>all optional quests are locked behind a ridiculous amount of play coins and are way worse than the console missions
fortunately I'm not a fucking autist who needs to play optional, optional, optional quests

>>387329607
No. He's boring garbage. He survives on quality alone. Also self-awareness if we're counting modern Mario and his RPG incarnations etc.

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>>387334023

Everything.

>>387334228
No, Shadow was better.

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>>387334023
Blaze is mirror universe Sanic

She is his opposite, introvert, serious, princess, female, sol crystals, black face eggman

>>387334028
>Advance 3 just has horrendous level design
It made mistakes but it certainly is much better Advance "than hold right to win" 2 and its pants on head retarded boss fights.

>>387333524
This game was absolute hot garbage

CLassic Sonic gets a homing attack two stages in and enemy placement is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. Look up gameplay of radical highway, enemies literally drop on your head just as you land on a platform. It's complete shit.

>>387334259
Without the quests Sonic Generations 3DS is like 20 minutes long.

>>387334228
>We will never see them in Forces
>Instead we have Zavok

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>>387334380

>>387334380
>Blaze is mirror universe Sanic
With a bit of Knuckles.

>>387334398
The level design is incredibly multi-faceted. I think it is great for how diverse it had to be.

The replay value is off the charts in that game.

>>387334085
>He was designed from the ground up to be the perfect mascot for selling games.
No fuck. That's literally any product ever. You're a retard if you think that a smirking mascot, a world FILLED with them was enough to let Sega and Sonic prosper without actual game design to back it up.

It's not nostalgia to actually be aware of how things are. You are naive if you think a cool commercial is enough to sell an entire SERIES of games.
Every goddamned company under the sun tried that shit all the way into the 32-bit era and hardly any of them stuck.

>>387334445
Generations in general is like 20 minutes long.

>>387334310
>shadow the edgehog
>a good character

>>387334445
it's not, but I'll pretend that it is: how does that make the game bad at all?

inb4 you don't have a softmodded 3DS

>>387334442
video on that? I don't remember having issues

>>387334215
I own Rush. I beat it a few times.
What is the appeal of the character? She's just a pointless playable character with a bland story. You fetishists are the worst.

>>387334592
Yes, yes he is.

>>387334228
Emerl is the best robot character aside from Metal Sonic.

>>387334658
Maybe if you live in the 1st dimension or are a fan of Spawn: The Movie

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>>387327485
>he doesn't know about Wrapped in Black in Black in Black

>>387334545

>Every goddamned company under the sun tried that shit all the way into the 32-bit era and hardly any of them stuck.

Except sega had the money and people to make it work. I'm not saying Sonic games were shit, they're pretty good, but they're not revolutionary like Nintendo games were, they were just fun games that had a huge marketing hype behind them.

People act like Sonic is huge because his games were god like, when in actuality there was a HUGE marketing push behind the brand, which is still big enough today. Most of the sonic fandom doesn't really give a shit about gameplay, they want to see their favorite characters doing cool shit. That's why people will give clearly broken games like SA1 and 2 a pass. If those games featured any other random OC character they'd be fucking trashed and forgotten, but since it's sonic they're classics.

>>387327508
>Colors
>solid game

If you mean not a buggy mess then sure. Beyond that it's painfully mediocre.

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>>387327226

For you.

www dot twitch dot tv/urlogic

STREAMING PC SONIC MANIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JIm5xK0Yq4

@1:15, but I'm admittedly not spending a lot of time looking, I got other shit to do

>>387334910
I gotta admit it is fun to play those games still.

>>387323310
Original Sonic Riders was far better than zero gravity

>>387334910
>Except sega had the money and people to make it work
But they didn't really Sega was having a hard time even in the 90s. And no one is saying that the games were "revolutionary" Holy jesus get some perspective. A great game doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.

Sega has been able to sell re-releases of the classics since Sonic Jam. And not just because of marketing. It's ok to not think they are masterpieces but you are understating the impact and appeal of them.

>>387323310
>Adventure 2 Battle
>Sonic Battle
>Rush
>Advance 2 and 3
>Genesis games nowhere to be found
>Zero Gravity, of all things
Shittiest list I've seen in a while

>>387334623
>>387335080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koSxKxeEC_k


another here at 2:10, the fact that it doesn't hit him is a fluke

>>387335342
Sonic Adventure 2 was great.

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>>387322069

Is there any benefit to using Sonic alone? (Other than removing the risk of grabbing Tails accidentally)

They should have given him the super peel-out for solo. That's my only minor gameplay criticism.

>>387335396
>entire level is hold right when boosting and QTEs

man Sonic was just absolutely fucked for a while there. All style no substance.

>>387335342
>Hating battle

Anyone else have Tails glitch out of Oil Ocean Act 2, disappearing until you play Blue Sphere?

>>387335436
I respectfully disagree

>>387335436
Nah man. Its cute to like it but come on.

>>387334085
>we just wanted to go fast and look rad.

Then you and everybody else played the game and

>Zero game overs
>Get to Oil Ocean Act 2
>Game over twice to the boss
How the FUCK do I beat this thing

>>387335774
Just hit him.

>>387332856
>tfw Pumpkin Hill's stage music got me interested in rap

The music in Aquatic Mine is so chill and relaxing. I really like the BGM.

>>387335670
It did well on Metacritic.

>>387326880
>the games were never revolutionary
>they were just fun and looked cool
Then who cares about being revolutionary when being fun and cool is literally all that actually matters?

Being "revolutionary" sounds like the kind of crap Nintendo has been desperate to shoved down our throats since the N64 days.

>>387335614
I have no idea why battle gets so much love.
The story mode is shit and tedious. Free for alls are bland as fuck in comparison to smash. The game is broken and unplayable in the context of 1v1. It's a really bad game all around

>>387335871
Oh, well that changes everything

>>387335917
Awesome story

>>387335774
Kill tentacles, wait on middle of platforms, move to opposite side when gun shows up, jump on middle after 2nd shot, attack tentacle and then get on the platform that's still up. Once tentacles are dead continue this process, but attack the body instead.

>>387335871
In 2000.

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>>387335881
For fuck's sake, control yourself.

>>387335774
Summon Super Sonic.

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>>387335871
Know what else did well on Metacritic? Donkey Kong 64.

Today, ask anyone about it and they'll most likely tell you it's one of the worst fucking games Rare ever made.

>>387335342
>>Sonic Battle
>>Rush
>>Advance 2
Nothing wrong with these.

>>387336201
Worse than Perfect Dark Zero?

>>387335881
>deep
She's like 3 feet tall, it'd be harder not to go deep.

>>387336201
Aside from the glitches and some questionable design elements, I think it is a fun game that holds up today.

>>387336201
>People think DK64 is bad
I mean, if you have shit taste maybe. DK64 is the epitome of the gather-a-thon genre, everything good and bad in that genre is in that game in its purest form. There are some shit parts, but there are some truly wonderful parts as well.

>>387334592
Sonic 06 Shadow was the best.

>>387336069
>>387335881
Would you take responsibility if she got pregnant?

>>387336364
Nah. There's a reason Banjo-Tooie fixed all of that

>>387336201
Dammit, I thought this game was awful back then and it only got worse with time.

This shit went even more retarded with the 3D than Sonic did, it went retarded so hard it killed proper DKC games for more than a decade.

>>387335528

Tails can break shit you don't want to break, trigger platforms to fall, collect power-ups you don't want (ex. Changing your fire shield to bubble shield) I don't know if his hits render bosses intangible, causing you to fall through them, because that was a nuisance from older games.

I'm guessing most people who prefer Sonic alone just want to reduce the visual /auditory noise that Tails brings and just want to speed through the level plain and simple.

First time I beat S3 alone I used Sonic solo and got all the emeralds.

>>387336303
>aside from all the shit wrong with it, it wasn't that bad
You people

>>387336917
>I don't know if his hits render bosses intangible, causing you to fall through them, because that was a nuisance from older games.

Not him but he still does. The Flying Battery Act 2 Boss is a big example of this in Mania, when you're trying to launch yourself against it.

Sonic rush was a bad game. Later games made good use of the boost mechanics, but Rush has poorly designed levels, uninspired enemies and some of the worst bosses in the series.

Sega always makes low budget quick games for handhelds, which gives those devs room to experiment. Even when they stumble upon something good, that doesn't mean you ignore all the problems like Major bossfights that are nothing but mashing the A-button for 2 minutes.

>>387335528
Tails makes some of the bosses easier.

>>387334910
>they're not revolutionary
What is "revolutionary" to you?

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>>387336458
One of my fetishes is fucking pregnant bats that like jewelry.
She would have to be pregnant all the time, its quite specific

>>387336485
Tooie was still massively retarded next to Kazooie.

>>387327508
It's solid in the sense that it's not buggy or outright broken, the gameplay itself is just super bland IMO

>>387336235
You take that back

>>387335528

Sonic and Tails

+Easier Exploration

+Easier boss fights

- AI presents some risk factors that can harm you and/or slow you down, but it''s rare.

>>387337693

Sonic alone is harder, but no risk factors

>>387337492
>the gameplay itself is just super bland IMO
The level design is gimmick crap and shit tier platforming.

>>387335917
Emerl.

>>387326880
>>There's a reason sonic games follow trends instead of setting them, and that's because it is a mascot franchise first and foremost

Sonic began the trend of edgy mascot animal platformers in the first place. They were everywhere in the 90s.

>>387334910
>they're not revolutionary like Nintendo games were
Were there any phisycs-based platformers before Sonic? Not trying to argue, just curious, I can't think of any.

>>387339110
Mario you dense shit

>>387339347
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>387339347
How the fuck is Mario physics-based?
It's the definition of blocky platforming.

>>387339632
>>387339675
SMB runs on a physics engine and has physics based platforming. Sonic took it to the logical extreme, but didn't invent it.

>>387339675
>How the fuck is Mario physics-based?
Have you ever played a Mario game? Go play some DKC for physicsless platformer.

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>>387339632
>>387339675
>SMB isn't physics-based

>>387340031
>>387340137
>>387340204
Yeah, nah.
Mario's got a bit of an inertia, sure, but calling it physics-based is silly.

>>387340496
>This platforming game which
>Runs on a physics engine
>Uses that physics engine to allow for dynamic jumps and movement based on player mastery over the physics engine
>Revolutionized the platformer genre due the presence of it's physics engine
>Is not a physics based platformer
I'm a huge Sonicfag but you're a retard m8.

http://www.archiveofourown.org/works/11798901

https://www.archiveofourown.org/works/11778270

>>387322069

No, not even close

>>387340764
It's got an incredibly simplistic physics engine, which the gameplay doesn't revolve around.

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Why do people forget these existed?

>>387324241

Except NWA and the Bebe's Kids SNES OST already sampled it so he probably got it from a sample pack or something.

>>387341350
Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, and the gamegear version of Sonic 2 are the only decent titles. Everything else is pretty bad or next to unplayable.

>>387341350
Because the "good" ones are better on Master System, and the non-Master System ones are shit. Except Tails Adventure.

>>387334023

None, it's just a shittier, edgy Amy Rose on fire

>>387341310
>which the gameplay doesn't revolve around.
But it does. Mario would be a vastly different game with static jumps and movement. The level design is completely different from say, a PoP game and the physics based movement allows for that. Obviously being the pioneer of physics based movement in platformers the use of momentum isn't as grand as it is in Sonic, but it's there.

>>387341437
>Tails Adventure
>Bad
Go fuck yourself

>>387341350
I wonder if anyone noticed the sonic being inside the bubble and controlling it gimmick they used in mania hydrocity is a reference to triple trouble

>>387341861
I did.

>>387341390
>Bebe's Kids SNES OST
I'm shocked that someone on /v/ knows this game and movie.

>>387342174
fuck off

>>387342224
Never fucking reply to me again kiddo

>>387341762
>But it does. Mario would be a vastly different game with static jumps and movement.
I guess. It still feels like we're splitting hairs here, though.

>>387341762
Wait, by that logic you can say Sonic Colors is physics-based.

>>387343360
You could call nearly every game physics based.

>>387343784
Well there needs to be a distinction then.

Do you niggers think Forces is even going to be a decent game?

>>387345209
No, it's 3D sonic

What bugs me the most with Sonic Rush/Rush Adventure is that SEGA finally managed to introduce a new character that played a bit differently and was well received only for them to shit all over it in '06 then taking "new character complaints" from fans a bit too literally so all we can have is Sonic, Tails and Knuckles.

Rush/Rush Adventure weren't 10/10 games, but they were enjoyable for me anyway after all the not so enjoyable 3D games. Also soundtrack was pretty entertaining.

>>387345209
I think it has a chance. If anything it'll at least go down as a hilariously self-aware edgelord shitfest.

>>387323608
NEVER!.

Stop with this sonic mania sequel meme!, there will never be a mania 2,3,4,5,6,spinoff etc. Mania is a celebration game like generations. After Generations was released all of you nostalgia faggot's moaned for a Generations 2. well... guess what? YOU HAVE IT NOW AND ITS CALLED SONIC MANIA!!!!!.

> Bbbubbu.. now when need an Generations 3!

THATS CALLED SONIC FORCES AND ITS DOGSHIT, !!. End the nostalgia for fuck sakes.

>>387345519
good pasta, but forces is generations 2

>>387324241
>>387341390
I've noticed a lot of people think he's some madman, rapidly collecting samples from around the world, but you're right. He's repeatedly said on twitter that he used sample packs SEGA has rights to.

Don't get me wrong, Hideki Naganuma is great at using samples and getting a lot of mileage out of them, he also does a lot of cleanup around them so they mix well.

>>387326940
Rush Adventure was shit you fucking faggot

>>387345209
Depends. If it's basically Generation/Colors tier, I'll accept it.

>>387345689
Was*.

Mania is now technically the new Generations 2 while forces is now Generations 3.

>bring back shadow and all of sonics other gay friends, plus future trunks the hedgehog from shit game into forces
>can't play as any of them
Whats the point?

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Why everybody hate Adventure and Generations now?

Btw, Sonic Lost World for 3DS was nice.

>>387345937
I'll deal with the boating segments for the much better levels and bosses thanks

Shadow is only good as a generic bad guy, he has no place as a major player in the story.

>>387346258

Shadow is literally the most interesting character in the series

>>387346405
>clone of sonic
>not actually fast
>only exists to give sonic trouble
He's just Vegeta.

>>387346504

>Vegeta is the most interesting character in DBZ

it checks out

I don't see why people bash things in Sonic that Mario Galaxy did.

>>387346749
Vegeta has always been a bootleg Goku that exists to make him look good.

>>387334023
CUTE
U
T
E

>>387346749
Nah, that's Piccolo. He undergoes a change from evil to good, discovers his heritage, conquers his inner evil, rejoins with his father's better half, melds with an alien, and becomes more powerful than the once-emperor of the universe. Simply because he took care of a child.

>>387346823
>Gohan has always been a bootleg Goku that exists to make him look good.
Fixed

>>387346504
>created to cure Sonic-verse aids
>has a gigantic mutant lizard brother
>has alien DNA
>specially made shoes that make him as fast as sonic

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>>387346916
>and becomes more powerful than the once-emperor of the universe.
>he hasn't watched RoF

>>387346987
Why can't anyone else have those shoes? I'm sure Tails or Knux could use a pair. Amy too, to chase her man.

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>>387322069
Rush was a good arcade style game.

>grind for ages to get the fastest time trial time to submit to Nintendo Magazine
>finally get a time you're happy with
>They spell your name wrong in the magazine leaderboards

Wow thanks NOM

>>387347071
Because the rest of them are able to keep up with Sonic pretty well anyway, Shadow is just physically slow.

>>387347071
Amy's speed comes from love. She needs no fancy shoes.

>>387347071
Specially made by Gerald and no one can replicate it? I mean he had them on before he went into the capsule.

>>387347038
We're talking about Z. That's Super.

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>>387347152
>implying

>>387345209
Yeah, it's got a good shot of being decent as long as they don't gamble 100% on lazily slapped together/rushed/poorly thought out bullshit like they did in SHTH, 06, or Lost World

>>387347268
It's an arc in Super

>>387322885
ign plz leave

>>387347426
It also predates Super.

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>>387334023
She's the cuteness of Amy/Cream without the retardedness plus the "cool" of Shadow/Rouge without either's tryhard appeals.

Best non-Archie sanicgirl by a good stretch if you ask me.

>>387346009
There's actually been a notable increase in people liking Adventure recently compared to the prime youtube/"pro" reviewer years of shitting on sonic. Generations is probably just being shit on because people don't want "classic" sonic poorly shoehorned into more 3d sonic stuff when making a full game based around classic sonic (Mania) can and does do classic sonic more justice instead. Basically, he loses novelty and becomes redundant through overuse in the wrong way. Like Green Hill Zone, actually.

>>387347493
It leads into Super, much like The Beerus Movie. It was made to.

>>387347426
>RoF existed before Super
>big Z on the posters, DVD etc.
>b-but it's super...

>>387347678
It was made to lead into Super. That's like calling Raditz's introductory episode a Dragon Ball episode.

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>>387322637

>I finished it 4 times
>its not good

>>387347814
Raditz is still part of Dragonball because everything from Goku meeting Bulma to Goku flying away with Uub was in the original manga you retard.
And Super as a concept didn't even exist when those movies were being made you idiot. How can they make it to lead into Super if they weren't even considering a follow up?

Sonic rush sucks

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>Sanic thread already turning into DBZ thread

Like pottery. Also Rush sucks, Blaze is nice though.

>>387348068
The movies were planned to lead into the anime, dumbass. There were sequel hooks at the end of both that led into it. Beerus mentions the other universes and Whis mentioning Vegeta and Goku being able to contest Beerus together.

>>387348326
>The movies were planned to lead into the anime, dumbass
What part of there was no anime being planned at the time don't you understand?
It's literally in an interview for BoG.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/
>What about future developments in Dragon Ball?
>To be honest, I haven’t given it any thought at all.

>>387348589
He didn't want to spoil it, dumbass. You aren't allowed to talk about that sort of thing pre-release.

>>387348684
>He didn't want to spoil it
Spoil fucking what? If he had an idea all he had to say was "I'm thinking about it at the moment" but no, he outright denied considering a continuation. Hell the movies themselves came out of Evolution being fucking horrendous and not an anime series.

I challenge you to find any evidence of Super existing at that point

>>387349075
Because if he said anything else then people would have huge expectations that the anime wouldn't be able to meet. Battle of Gods was the first goddamn arc in Super, it's part of Super.

>>387348326
>There were sequel hooks at the end of both that led into it
Not him but there was one at the end of BoG with Beerus awakening again in about 3 years, which is strange because it can't be more than at least 1 and a half until RoF happens, but as you can see here >>387348589 there was absolutely nothing in the works.
RoF on the other hand didn't have any sequel bait whatsoever and wraps everything up in a neat little bow.

>Beerus mentions the other universes
Yes and?
Using a previously mentioned theme doesn't mean it was planned from the start anon.

I guess the mods should just go ahead and move this thread to /a/.

>>387349724
At the end of RoF Whis says that Vegeta and Goku could beat Beerus if they worked together
Whis' Do Over is given no explanation, purposely leaving room for the Angels to be introduced
Future Trunks is mentioned, foreshadowing Zamasu arc

>>387349571
>Because if he said anything else then people would have huge expectations that the anime wouldn't be able to meet.
That would have happened at any point in time you retard and if you hadn't noticed Super is failing to meet expectations as it is.
What exactly was your point here?

>Battle of Gods was the first goddamn arc in Super, it's part of Super.
That's because it was Tori needed time to finish his damn outline which is why the manga also went through that arc. That's like calling the Garlic Junior saga in Z canon.

And you still haven't proved Super's existence.

>>387350074
The difference between Garlic and BoG and RoF are that they're both made by
Toriyama as part of Super.

I've cited several scenes from the movies. All you've given is a promotional interview.

GEE GUYS I SURE DO LOVE ALL THIS SONIC DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW

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>>387350074
Not him but
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Frieza_Saga

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Beerus_Saga

>>387350443
Do you think they could get the level design to work better with the partner mechanic?
It is pretty clear the switches were made so players don't get stuck in certain areas.

>>387350013
>At the end of RoF Whis says that Vegeta and Goku could beat Beerus if they worked together
That's not sequel bait, that's stating the same thing we've heard nearly this entire series that Goku and Vegeta combined would be near unbeatable but being Saiyans they want to test their strength on their own.
>Whis' Do Over is given no explanation, purposely leaving room for the Angels to be introduced
Okay?
You realise the reset and angels haven't been mentioned together at all in Super right?
It's just an ability.
Using this logic Buu was designed to have an entire origin arc because nothing about him was explained in his arc.
>Future Trunks is mentioned
Did it ever occur to you that he was mentioned because he killed Frieza? You know, his first appearance?

>>387350796
Listen, let's go back the basics here since this isn't even what we were arguing about. RoF and BoG are both parts of Super because the anime and the manga both cover them in Super. The movies aren't canon, the arc versions are. And they are both in SUPER.

>>387350260
>The difference between Garlic and BoG and RoF are that they're both made by
>Toriyama as part of Super.
You have literal proof from the mouth of the creator himself that he had given no thought of a continued series or even a general storyline and you're still denying it?

>I've cited several scenes from the movies. All you've given is a promotional interview.
One, those scenes you picked are you grasping at straws like this post >>387350013 for example
I mean really? You're going to use Trunks as an indicator of sequel bait when he was the person who killed both Frieza and his father in the first place?
His arc wasn't even the following arc you dumbass.

>All you've given is a promotional interview.
You mean the interview that blows a hole right through your argument.

>>387351483
>
>>387351343

Rush is garbage, the game pushes you to constantly boost but will then rocket you off a cliff into an instant death pit. The classic Sonic games didn't rely on bullshit like that.
The music is good though.

>>387351343
>The movies aren't canon, the arc versions are. And they are both in SUPER.
Canonicity isn't exactly relevant you know. It's a written in stone fact that the elements originated within Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection of F.
Saying otherwise is akin to sayingGarlic Jr, Broly, Bojack, Wheelo, Hirudegarn and so on didn't originate in Z either.

Sonic Rush may have a fantastic soundtrack, a good trick system and a great flat-chested cat but the physics are even worse than the advance games (which were a big step down from the Genesis games) and began the shitty "Boost to Win" formula. Plus, the level design isn't very good. There's very few branching paths, bottomless pits everywhere and enemies are pretty much pointless because you can just boost right through them.
And don't get me started on the shitty Eggman/Eggman N*ga boss fights where you had to wait around twenty seconds for them to finish their easily avoidable attack before the big glowing weak-spot would light up and let you get a single hit in before having to wait again.
I used to fucking love this game but I replayed it a couple of weeks ago and was astounded at how much it's carried by the soundtrack and how bad the actual game is.

>>387351771
They aren't canon to Z. BoG and Frieza are canon to Super. The Arc versions specifically.

>>387351781
It all averages out to a decent game. Not great but the goods do outweigh the bad overall.

>>387351781
Advance 1 plays like a Megadrive game.

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>>387322069
>Taxman's crew now making designated 2D games
>Nintendo Switch being a hybrid means there's no need for watered-down handheld ports anymore

Will Dimps go out of business?

>>387351781
>And don't get me started on the shitty Eggman/Eggman N*ga boss fights where you had to wait around twenty seconds for them to finish their easily avoidable attack before the big glowing weak-spot would light up and let you get a single hit in before having to wait again.

There are bosses in Mania that have this gimmick though. Flying Battery's Act 2 boss is an example of this where the only time he's vulnerable to damage is when spikes show up on the sides.

>>387351954
>They aren't canon to Z.
Except that BoG and RoF were explicitly made as continuations of Z and are even a continuation of Yo Son Goku and Friends Return given that Tarble is mentioned in BoG.
And again canonicity doesn't play into things, unless you can go back in time and force Toei and Toriyama to change it those movies will always be Z movies.

>>387352339
But the movies aren't canon. The Super arcs are. They're canon to Z in the same ey the rest of Super is

>>387352518
>And again canonicity doesn't play into things, unless you can go back in time and force Toei and Toriyama to change it those movies will always be Z movies.
You can not deny this fact.

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>>387352609
Yeah I can. It doesn't matter what the movies connect to, because they aren't specifically part of the story. The parts that are in the story connect to Super and thus are canon to Super, making the movie irrelevant and ant connection it has to Z irrelevant with it.

>>387327508
Because the 2D sections were boring as hell and the superior version of the game was the DS version which by the way is the only version of Colors anyone should be playing

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I liked Generations and Colors, they were nice. I love the classics and love Mania too. I'm going to buy Forces whenever it comes out, i like it so far.

>>387353002
Well that's reasonable. Enjoy Mania.

>>387352813
>It doesn't matter what the movies connect to
You do realise your entire argument is based around the connection it has to super while also disregarding the connections it has to Z as well as the title of said movies, right?

To sum things up you're just saying
>no it only counts when I'm right!

>>387353271
No, I'm saying that BoG and RoF are canon to Super. The BoG and RoF arcs.

>>387352240
I dislike that boss as well.

>>387353352
>I'm saying that BoG and RoF are canon to Super.
But right here you're saying that they were retconned by Super >>387351343
So now we have a case of the movies being canon to Z while the Super arcs are canon to Super according to you.

Regardless you still can't argue the fact that those movies are not Super movies but are rather Z movies.