Is it safe to say we're never going to get a good LOTR game

Pretty much. Expect at least 1 more shadow of X sequel then theyll revamp with another lore breaker.

>>387239681
>faggots are still mad that they made Shelob fuckable

>>387241150
Have you even played the first game? It's pretty fucking garbage on almost every level. Gameplay is just fighting LITERALLY the same enemy over and over. Story is completely retarded. Music is forgettable. And the Graphics ain't none too great neither.

Plus THE FUCKING ORCS NEVER SHUT UP STOP TALKING YOU BLACK BLOODED SHITS

The biggest problem is that the game is not comfy, ans the sequel looks just as bad in this reguard

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>>387239681
End me

>>387242118
I thought the first game was pretty fun. It did Open World very well. I did lose interest after it got too repetitive though -- click a lot and kill orcs.
>>387242272
Valid complaint desu

I just want an open world lotr game that has quests where you go to the shire, gondor, rohan, etc etc. why can't they just do that? Why do they have to make a stupid "fight orcs to get to get friends to fight more orcs" game?

Not likely, because Tolkien's lazy estate just sits on his legacy jacking off to their inheritance. When their coffers look like they can't fill a swimming pool anymore they just rehash what's been done before or liscensing out something that has no bearing on the overall canon, because it's clear none of them as anywhere as talented. Why do you think we haven't gotten anything else from his Silmarillion works?

>>387242690

I thought it was to do with Christopher Tolkien getting angry over the hobbit since it fucked too much with the lore so he barely lets anyone work on anything to do with LOTR/middle earth

Don't blame the devs, blame tolkien's descendants, who are all useless fucking greedy pricks.

>>387243105
Christopher Tolkien is the only reason we don't have a faggot shitty capeshit cinematic universe with LotR you uncultured fucking pleb

>>387239681

uuuh, shadow of morder? cunt?

>>387241150
>not shipping Morgoth x Ungoliant

>>387239681
if the next one (hopefully) flop there wont any sequel to the shadow of my balls license

>>387239681
>again
There was a good one to begin with?

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>playing inferior video games when you could be playing superior tabletop RPGs

I just want another BFME game, those were great and explored other events. They also used the original voices and music.
>>387243941
The two towers and RotK on Ps2 were great fag

>>387239681
we will never get another good lotr game.but somewhere somehow they will make a another game with orcs did nothing wrong, transgender androgynous elves, self hating numenorian supremacists. it will be sjwified and bastardized in the most disrespectful ways.

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>>387243941
Two Towers + Return of the King on PS2
Battle for Middle Earth

>>387241150
That and the microtransaction thing.

>>387242628
Trying to make a game like Skyrim, TW3, WoW requires a lot of time, money, and a dedicated/passionate team and the jews that own the Tolkien rights just want fast money grabs rather than trying to develop a huge open world rpg that would be absolutely fantastic with the Tolkien universe. The hard part about something like that is that they would have to write a TON of new lore and story cause you can't just copy the LOTR, Hobbit, or any other short story plot cause that just wouldn't really work in a game of that scale

I hope the Tolkien estate or Christopher Tolkien himself regains the rights to LOTR vidya. Better that than having to see the inevitable "Aragorn fights the good fight for liberal democracy against the bigoted orcs" AAA open world RPG

>>387244046
>saving the same image twice

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>>387244427
Who do the rights go to after Christopher dies? He disowned his own son for enjoying Peter Jackson's movies so it's not him.

>>387244265
This

I remember the fucking spider with lv 2 hobbits.

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>>387244550
>He disowned his own son for enjoying Peter Jackson's movies so it's not him.
I want to believe

>>387244550
I think all of JRR's grandchildren are intolerable shitbags who will willingly give it up to Hollywood jews to run into the ground. I think we're living on borrowed time with Chris.

>>387244758
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1422943/J-R-R-Tolkiens-grandson-cut-off-from-literary-inheritance.html

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>>387244550
>He disowned his own son for enjoying Peter Jackson's movies

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What's your dream LOTR game then?

Combine Hideaki Itsuno, his team and what they learned from Dragon's Dogma, add in more interesting semi-open world and call it a day? Solo or co-op.


Or something else?

>>387244441
>not having back ups of every picture of varg-sama

>>387244816
>>387244427
>>387243230
Something strikes me as weird though, I read an article from the guys who worked on The Hobbit game (the Gamecube game) who said the Tolkien estate broke their balls repeatedly about accuracy to the lore (tomatoes were not allowed because Tolkien didn't alloy any kind of stuff from 'the new world' to inhabit Middle Earth to retain consistency with it being ancient Europe) but how come Shadow of Mordor has cockslut Shelob, nigger protags and a complete nonsensical interpretation of Celebrimbor and Sauron? Why did they get away with it? Why were they not held to the same strict criteria?

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>>387244904

I just want a game set in Middle Earth where I'm not some lore raping mary sue, the fucking lego lord of the rings game is the closest thing to a comfy open world middle earth we have and probably will ever have

>>387244359
Yep, I know. But I still really really want it. I've been dreaming about it since I played lotr online, but it wasn't quite what I had in mind.

>>387244232
So you are a retarded faggot?

>>387245149
I'm not aware of the Tolkien estate having that much of a creative role with that fun Hobbit title. Obviously with the Nu-Shadow of Diversity game they must have lost whatever rights and/or power they had to flex ~15 years ago.

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>>387244904
>Christopher Tolkien has never forgiven Simon, a barrister and novelist, for supporting Peter Jackson, the New Zealand-born director who adapted the books. He wanted nothing to do with the films because the rights to them had been sold 30 years earlier and the family would not gain financially from the project.
>According to Simon, his father's disapproval has had far wider consequences than a breakdown in communication. He speaks of an attempt to exclude him from his "literary inheritance" and of his anger that his stepmother, Baillie, is on the board of his grandfather's company

holy shit

I don't like how the orcs in Shadow of Modor are all the 6 foot tall murder machine type of orc. Those are supposed to be rare. Most orcs are 4 feet scrappers.

>>387245451
https://archive.is/AK76F

>Designer Paul Reed told Polygon that accidental "movie pollution" — using an element from Jackson's films — became so bad that it necessitated massive asset overhauls. Both the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring teams had to be incredibly careful not to encroach on EA's license, but also to not anger the Tolkien Estate — which could unfortunately be sparked by something as small as tomatoes, according to Reed.
>"The art team had been designing Hobbiton, and we'd sent assets to the Tolkien folks to review," he explained. "We received detailed notes and comments, including a firm request to remove all tomatoes from Hobbiton due to movie pollution. Turns out tomatoes are a New World thing, and there aren't any of those in Middle-earth, contrary to what the film folks would have you believe. >The art team was a little bristly over this and wanted to dig their heels in over the offending fruit — removing them would've taken more time, and they didn't think the impact on their schedule was worth something fairly trivial (to them, at least). We finally compromised with the Tolkien folks and turned tomatoes into large berries."

I can't understand how they could allow Shadow of Mordor to exist

>>387245149
Times change and there may well have been people with respect for Tolkien's work back then, here's the company which licenses out rights to his stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_Enterprises

Worth nothing the rights this company have aren't the same Christopher has and that's why these garbage games can happen.

>>387245293
no, are you. you really think that its just going to stay the same and not capitalized on the current political movement? if anything lotr might just die off but staying completely true to the books wont pass and it will need to be tailored to current audiences.

so why you getting all pissy? i don't think what i said was something to far off what will eventually happen if lotr is continually being used a source material for games.

>>387245785
Absolutely based. I agree with you; I'd have to imagine what exclusivity/advising contract they had either expired and allowed whoever else to retain the rights, and their contract wasn't renewed because of the Tolkien Estate's (warranted) IP autism.

>>387243105
the devs had plenty of shots

>>387245785
TOMAHTOS AND A NICE CRISPY BACON!

>>387245952
So yes, you are stupid faggot. ok then

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>>387244550
>>387244904

>>387245239
you didn't like bfme?

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LOTRO is the only current LOTR game that actually feels comfy and has a decent run at the story and lore-accuracy right now, even if the gameplay is uninspired and there are some major issues.

If we ever get a LOTR game (single-player or another MMO) with the same level of lore accuracy and attention to world-building as LOTRO I would buy it in a heartbeat.

>>387239681
LotRO is still online and you can play it for free. Is a good game.

>>387242856
Christopher was angry at anything LOTR related (sans books) since time immemorial.
He even hates the first trilogy and always was wating on the licenses to run out.

>>387244550
>>387244904
Wow what a cunt.
I understand the rage about the Hobbit trilogy, but the lotr trilogy is awesome.

>>387245293
>>387246954
wow........ so it's true.......... liberals really are the intellectual side..............

>>387244265
>Two Towers + Return of the King on PS2
The multiplayer was fantastic.
Are there any modern games with similar gameplay and local co-op? War in the north felt pretty underwhelming IMO, not nearly enough characters and combos

>>387248261
Don't you have a thread about some woman having green hair to shitpost in retard?

>>387248723
oh no........ the power........of these arguments.....is too strong............... i'm meeeeeeeeeeeelting

BLUGHUHLJYALHY

>>387249198
Cry more faggot. Also your mom is fat.

>>387239681
I really just want to play in Middle Earth that's not constant doom and gloom and has silly hobbits and beautiful elves and valiant Rohirrim. I don't need to be the saviour of the world. I wouldn't mind just helping some ents look for clues as to the whereabouts of the entwives or fending off some ruffians from Bree. And I want a sturdy pony to carry my camping gear, and realistic weapons and clothing- the last I saw from the newer games is such over-designed, generic fantasy "armor". It'll never happen of course.

...BFME III I would also gladly accept.

>>387245239
Now see I didnt even know there's a lego LOTR game. When was that even released? Is it worth getting?

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>de Plater's approach to Shelob comes from an interpretation that she and Gollum are, in fact, the unsung heroes of The Lord of the Rings. Put simply, it's his take that Frodo fails to cast the ring into the fires of Mount Doom at the crucial moment - instead Gollum succeeds where he cannot (albeit tumbling into the fire himself along the way).

>According to de Plater, that weakness in Frodo was something Shelob sensed, making a pact with Gollum and hastening him on his way to Mount Doom and the final confrontation that saw the ring destroyed. It also goes some way to explaining why Shelob tried to eat Frodo in The Two Towers.

>"Galadriel basically manipulated and sent people off on these different quests [testing the Fellowship with the mirror in Lothlórien] but ultimately left to themselves that quest [to destroy the ring] would have failed. Then you think of Shelob as almost the dark mirror to her, who actually had this minion [Gollum] that... if you think about it in a way, ultimately succeeded.

>"it felt like Gandalf and Galadriel kind of lied to them [the Fellowship] a little bit about their chances and what differentiates Shelob is that she's completely honest.. So she's evil, or perceived as evil, but she has this honesty to her,"

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-08-15-why-shelob-is-a-woman-in-shadow-of-war

SHE WUZ A GUD SPIDER, SHE DIN DO NUFFIN

>>387242118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpmZyTK2dI

Orcs should sound less like inbred Britbongs and more like orcs desu. I also miss when they didn't look like deformed and crippled humans but as creatures of darkness.

>>387244989
Dragon's Dogma is still my favourite LOTR game.

>>387249459
this is what post-modernist Marxists do to all fiction

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>shadow of morder
Fucking lootboxes in a single player game

I cannot laugh hard enough at retards who buy this game

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>>387249459
>Put simply, it's his take that Frodo fails to cast the ring into the fires of Mount Doom at the crucial moment - instead Gollum succeeds where he cannot (albeit tumbling into the fire himself along the way).
>>According to de Plater, that weakness in Frodo was something Shelob sensed, making a pact with Gollum and hastening him on his way to Mount Doom and the final confrontation that saw the ring destroyed. It also goes some way to explaining why Shelob tried to eat Frodo in The Two Towers.
How are these people even allowed to write? I ain't even mad because they try to subvert it Kiril Yeskov did that years ago and it was pretty damn great

>>387249459
christ this is some retarded shit. what a pompous pseud.

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>>387249459

>>387249459
I know everyone else is as angry about this as me but it has to be said
SHELOB IS NOT FUCKING GOOD IN ANY GOD DAMN WAY
SHE IS ONE OF THE SPAWN OF UNGOLIANT FOR CHRIST SAKE
SHES LITERALLY EVIL IN THE SHAPE OF A SPIDER NOT EVEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, SHE IS LITERALLY LESS REDEEMABLE THAN SAURON WHO AT THE VERY LEAST STARTED OUT GOOD AND HAD TO LATER BE CORRUPTED TO EVIL BY MORGOTH
HER DESIRES REGARDING FRODO ARE VERY EASY AND CLEAR CUT: HE TASTES BETTER THAN ORC

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>>387249459
Edgelords like Chris Avellone and George Ziets would rub their grubby hands together if they saw this. This is the revenge against Tolkien they've strove towards for years but never could get away with on their own.

>>387251042
#NotAllSpiders

>>387251042
Even Morgoth was scared of her

>>387251042
>>387251203
Its like someone made a spiderposter image.

But in real life

>>387251153
Chris Avellone at the very least tries to understand the setting he's writing about so he can base his commentary on legitimate flaws (aka Kotor II)
this fuck however can't even be arsened to understand the most basic elements of the Tolkien mythos and tries to go all pop-psych on the writings of someone vastly more intelligent and educated than him.

>>387241918

>TFW there will never be good LOTR games focused on adventure and exploration.

Silmarillion or Children of Hurin would be great as well.

>>387251153
Fuck off, Chris Avellone is literally /ourguy/

>>387251042
Yup, hell this bullshit with her being attracted to the new ring doesn't even make sense. She didn't give much of a damn about the literal ring of power that Frodo had she just wanted something nice to eat.

>>387251350
that was Ungoliant, Shelob was but a pale shadow of her terribleness given by the fact she could be injured by Sam
granted: she was still vastly more ancient and powerful than he was to the extend his actions there would be equivalent to many a first age hero but she was never a threat to the likes of Sauron and up.

>>387251405
>Tolkien
>A major Christfag
>intelligent
>educated

LEL!!!

>>387251506
it's interesting that, aside from Tom Bombadil, she is the one character in the entire Lotr books to be least affected by the One Ring, which is honestly quite impressive in its own way.

It also makes everything in that spiderpost such a gigantic load of bullshit you could fertilize africa with it but hey.

>>387251549
Was Shelob the only daughter of Ungoliant?

>>387251482
Yeah and? Still true

>>387251710
>it's a "Christian migrant from /pol/ tries to falsef(l)ag as an atheist" episode
If you wanna falseflag don't be so obvious about it

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@387251710

>>387251786
No, she was one of her many spawn
However she is possibly the only one to have survived into the 4th age (given Sam merely wounds her)
It's in fact highly likely she wasn't even Ungoliant's strongest spawn and was more akin to the Smaug of giant spiders.

>>387242440
Robert Plant don't cry pls

>>387243230
Christopher is what, 90?
It's unlikely he'll live past the time when capeshit stops selling so tolkien cinematic universe is likely to happen

one film per year, shat out by a committee every summer until the entire silmarillion will be despoiled
then the dark age of OC begins

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>>387251742
Yeah, the spiders are all about pure hunger which is most likely why something for domination like the ring just doesn't attract them at all. Even in Mirkwood where Bilbo can hear their thoughts all they mention is food.

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>there are faggots on /v/ that didn't like Shadow of Mordor
One of the greatest tragedies of autism is the inability to enjoy this game for what it is.

>>387252397
and it's also how Gollum was able to get by her
he's a scrawny little shit with barely any meat on his bones and instead he promised her greater prey, which he delivers on

that's the only sort of deal one could make with Shelob and only while being as inedible as possible.

>>387252849
>have to die for the one neat feature to really work

I tried to like it a bit

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>>387252849
LOOT
BOXES
LMAO

>>387252963
guess this means trying to mod this game will get you sued

>>387249578
>I also miss when they didn't look like deformed and crippled humans
But that's what they are, well no the human part. Morgoth was unable to create anything, he could only pervert what was already created. Orcs are literally deformed elves that are worse in every possible way.

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WELL DONE TOKEN, WELL DONE

HOWEVER

>>387252963
AYYY
FUCKIN
LMAO

>>387254094
unironically shelob's tax system is more fleshed out than aragorn's

>>387251474
A full Silmarillion game would be difficult to do, given the book's nature. Children of Húrin or Beren and Lúthien would be GOAT, if handled properly.

>>387254181
DUDE WHAT IF WE PUT P2W GRIND SYSTEMS PAID CURRENCY AND LOOTBOXES IN A SINGLE PLAYER GAME?

>>387245785
but potatoes were in the movies

>>387254094

His universe is so boooring. And I've read the books back in the 90s.

>>387254598
Potatoes were always old world.
They were just banned by the Church for a long ass time

>>387254598
Exactly, they didn't want that bleeding over.

>>387249459
>>387249617
>>387251042
Yeah did that guy even read the books?? Even if you accept the post-modernist idea that there is an infinite number of ways to interpret things, but no way is correct; Tolkien makes it pretty god damned clear that Shelob is pure fucking evil. I remember the terror and disgust I felt reading that chapter of the book; no way could anyone really believe Shelob(or gollum for that matter, even though he isn't as wholly evil as Shelob or Sauron) even understood what the ring was, let alone care what happens to it, let alone choose the side of light. Some things are truly ambiguous, other things are only ambiguous if you willfully ignore the truth.

>>387254748
the Spanish introduced the potato to Europe in the second half of the 16th century

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>>387239681
>there will never be an official LOTR Total War game

>>387239681

But anon don't you want to try one more loot box that legendary Orc is waiting for his Sempai

>>387254989
Tolkien was going back way way before then dude

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>>387255129
The unofficial one is pretty decent.

Shouldn't it be public property by now? How long has it been a hundred years? Copyrights are a filthy Jew invention

>>387252963
Wait wtf I dont remember this?

>>387255129
>official LotR Total War
>with CA's current DLC policies

>>387254905
I should clarify that the part I wrote about gollum only refers to him not wanting the ring to be destroyed, which he explicitely states. His part in the destruction of the ring is played out by his consuming greed that blinds him from peril. He literally wants it so bad he forgets to protect his own life and falls to his death. But that's too self reflective for some people, so "lol Gollum gud now! dindu nuffin!"

>>387255527
The new game has a bunch of retarded p2w shit

>>387255662
Thats absolutely disgusting, and here I was actually looking forward to the next one

>>387255825
>Everything a player can buy with Gold can also be earned in the game over time for free, but Gold gives players the option to acquire these items faster

What could go wrong?

>>387245624
They say in the game that you're fighting Uruks. But that's equally retarded desu.

>>387255217
...that's the point...

There were no potatoes in europe until the spanish brought them from South America in the 16th century. The Tolkien Estate apparently didn't like the fact that tomatoes were in the movie, maybe potatoes as well, I'm not all too sure, this is the first I've heard of it. I don't think its a big deal in a fantasy setting. Potatoes in historical films I do get a chuckle out of.

>>387256081
Potatoes were in the books.

>>387255921
I fucking hate overwatch for popularizing these shitty skinner boxes, they all even have the same format

>>387254905
Shelob wasn't evil in the Valar-Morgoth axis. She was pure hunger. Just like Ungoliant who was outside of the song of Illuvatar. Ungoliant was some eldrich horror outside of the creation.

>>387255278
Yeah but the camera controls fucking suck and I'm super bad at old TW games

>>387252397
So humanoid shelob would be one insatiable bitch

>>387256571
Yes, I should have said that. Shelob and Ungoliant were evil in a very different way than Sauron and Morgoth. And they weren't allied, not even deceitfully(which I spose is the only kind of alliance you could have with either party), rather they used each other for personal gain as long is it was convenient. The Dark Lords lusted after absolute mastery over all things and to be worshipped, whereas the spiders simply hungered after all life. My point being there are many roads to evil.

>>387257453
humanoid shelob would have to be fucking institutionalized