we can all agree that FFXV was disappointing mess so how do we

>>387215908

Let it die.

>>387215908
>how do we save Final Fantasy?
Make it, you know, an actual fantasy game. Like the old classics. Square should have learned from Bravely Default.

Don't make it a fucking early access game and change things because of fan backlash. For a series as big as Final Fantasy it looks embarrassing.

>>387216049
so turn based or action rpg?

Why can't they just use Kingdom Hearts gameplay if they're going to go for an ARPG. Or at least hire Platinum again.

FFXV feels clunkier than KH1 which is shocking considering the hot mess that can be.

Also don't sacrifice story for the open world meme, the two can go together.
To be honest the only good part of the game was Duscae because they had to flesh that out for the proof of concept demo that they gave everyone with FF Type 0. That was the only thing that had a hunt with an actual story. More of those would be nice.

Also character DLC which fleshes out characters that hardly had anything going for them is despicable. Gladio's DLC was hardly even about him too. Hell, most of the character information for anyone other than Noctis comes from an anime of all things.

>>387216174
Turn based fantasy epic with passionate story, characters you can empathize with, and comfy towns. None of this j-pop boy band shit and modern looking settings.

More than one playable character.
More than four party members.
Mix of male and female.
No more cars.

>>387215908
I really liked it until i landed in the 100 floor dungeon

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>tfw I was more sad about Ignis going blind than Noctis dying

An actual airship would be nice next time.
What the fuck was the point of the flying car? It just emphasized the bad draw distance and pop in of the map, was ridiculously shit to control and you couldn't even have any fun with it because it had a no fun allowed game over attached to it.

>>387216551
That's because Noctis gets to fuck his dead bitch in the crystal afterlife. Ignis has to live with seeing nothing for the rest of however long he lives.

>>387216464
>More than four party members.
You mean total or active? Either way, I really hate managing huge character rosters that don't fit into a single party. And I think four members is the perfect number for party.
If they do that, the devs should just let the back up members earn FULL exp. That becomes especially problematic in games where you can't remove the main character from the party, resulting in them being twice as high level as everyone else.

>Why can't they just use Kingdom Hearts gameplay if they're going to go for an ARPG. Or at least hire Platinum again.
>FFXV feels clunkier than KH1 which is shocking considering the hot mess that can be.
THIS

one thing i'm sure about for the next installment
NO FUCKING TURN BASED COMBAT

How about not doing a timeskip and mentioning all this cool shit but showing FUCKING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

DEMON HUNTER IRIS MOTHERFUCKERS. SHOW HER.

>>387216334
>Turn based

I'll be glad when you old fucks die off. Turn based combat is ridiculous and fucking boring.

>how do we save Final Fantasy?

Cut the bullshit and get FFXIV

alternatively, for single player get Tetsuya Takahashi to direct it

Yoko Taro director and make it THE Final Fantasy.
I'm sure he could kill the franchise off if he tried hard enough.

>>387215994
This. Kill it and pump more money into SaGa and Dragon Quest.

>>387216931
Fuck off you ADD underage faggot.

>>387216931
Not even that anon but fuck off to a different genre
Mediocre turn based is still miles above shit like ff15 or crisis core. Maybe if square could pull off another kh2 or sonething closer to DMC id maybe reconsider but im starting to think kh2 was a fluke or happy accident

Remove all the problematic sexism for misogynist men to masturbate too and remove most of the gameplay that keeps us in the way of the story. Also have an actual proper female heroine for once that isn't just a genderswapped man who has actual woman problems but make her body shape believable and give her modern clothing.

>>387216931
>>Turn based
>I'll be glad when you old fucks die off. Turn based combat is ridiculous and fucking boring.
fuck off

>>387217383
>>387217265
>>387217169
You geriatric fucks can kindly piss off. We shouldn't have to suffer because your Alzheimer destroyed brains can't handle action based combat.

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-Dont show concept trailers 10 years before the game's release
-Have a solid idea of what you want to do
-Stop playing musical chairs with critical staff members
-Manage time and resources effectively
-Get a competent writer for today's standards
-Figure out what works and stop trying to experiment with dodgy gameplay in a major release
-Stop wasting resources on trivial details
-Dont use a beta graphic engine for a major release, especially if its not suited for the game

That would be a start.

>>387217265
>>387217383
Traditional turn-based combat in JRPGs is fucking laughable. Not *all* examples, but many I've played are a joke.

>spam attack
>use heal
>hope enemies don't simply gank up on one guy

Such strategy.

god ffxv is so shit

i think a Spirits Within oldstyle turn based rpg or perhaps more RE+magic similar to parasite eve but deeper magic component related to the spirits stuff would be nice for FF

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>>387215908
We can all agree it was easily among the top 3 best FFs yet and it literally saved FF and SE.

>>387218340
also i think the Spirits Within world would work nicely with a dead space sort of game

>>387216049
>an actual fantasy game.
So like XV is.

>>387216236
>FFXV feels clunkier than KH1
No it doesn't and if you honestly believe this then you havn't played either KH1 or XV.

>>387218390
>>387218413
>>387218451
Welp - time to abandon ship.
Isn't it a bit early for you or is really late?

RPGs are dead because retarded nugamers just want dumb button mashing action games

>>387218526
>s-stop defending good game!
Don't you have a KH thread to shill KH in?

>>387218390
>>387218413
>>387218451
Trying too hard

>>387215908
Buy Zodiac Age, with the retropective it's one of the best of the series.

>>387216482
That was the only part of the game that had any challenge at all though.

>>387218623
But both FFXV and KH1 are fucking shit.

i think KH is vastly overrated

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I enjoyed FF13, 14 and 15.

>>387218646
All of those are true, fuck off back to your KH thread.

>>387218648
XV is better than that in every way.

>>387218390
Man where have you been these days, i almost thought you were dead

>>387218683
FF13 had good lore but bad actors mainstage.

>>387218683
This is just sad. There are kids growing up right now, who will remember those games as Final Fantasy, not what the series used to be like in its golden age.

>>387218657
i didn't know it before hand. May have enjoyed it better if it was a challenge i planned for.

But it was this sudden endurance slog that really soured me after hour 1.

>>387215908
>how do we save Final Fantasy?
Actually finish making the games first instead of selling games that are clearly unfinished.

>>387218623
>>387218684

I really hope you put as much effort into improving your life as you are defending this videogame, FFXV-kun

It would be really sad if you were wasting all this time without being paid. At least with a mental illness I could understand.

>>387216076
It's not only that, the writing is absolutely awful.
I liked playing the open world road trip part but the plot made no fucking sense, cutscenes were stupid, tropes fucking everywhere and forced.
It really was a mess.

>>387218842
Just wait for your parrot reply

>>387218676
FFXV is great while KH1 is shit.

>>387218842
I really hope you put as much effort into defending KH as you do desperately trying to shit on XV. Because otherwise your life would have no meaning.

>>387218869
>Just wait for his words to be thrown against him while I act like no one is allowed to do that
Don't you have a KH thread to shill KH in?

How to fix SE?
Just fucking fire Nomura.

>>387215908
Only if we can admit that 13 is what made it this bad and at 15 was a step up from that shit, not much of a step up but a step up at least.

>>387218856
>but the plot made no fucking sense
It makes perfect sense.

>cutscenes were stupid,
No they weren't.

>tropes fucking everywhere
Everything in anything is a trope, this is literally no an argument.

>and forced.
nothing was forced

Only mess here is your shitpost.

>>387215908
Yes it was disappointing
>i think SE only make MMO it seems to me they only know how make those.
They fucked up so hard with xiv that they had to rebuild it from scratch

>>387219057
XV is easily the best FF in like 20 years.

>>387217605
>Waaah not my button masher!

>>387217076
There's nothing special about Dragon Quest. Final Fantasy has innovated and offered new, interesting settings while Dragon Quest is practically the same game over and over again, sometimes with a minor gimmick to differentiate itself from other Dragon Quest games. SaGa is cool though. I would very much like more SaGa.

>>387219057
If 15 wasn't such a production mess, Lightning Returns would have never existed.

FF XV is one of those "Would have been great, had it been finished" games.

>>387218720
>good lore
Meh it was presented terribly.

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I want FF series to go back to it's very roots with none of the boring shitty grimdark modern settings or the ones with stupid edgy stories with kingdom hearts tier designs.

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>>387219107
Are you dumb

>>387219081
If waifu developers would have made with their promise of vs 13 then we would still be at 15.

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>>387218739
Yea, but those kids have garbage tastes. They enjoy pic related.

>>387219113
To be fair, Dragon Quest 11 is probably going to be remembered in 10-15 years a hell of a lot more fondly than Final Fantasy 15 is.

>>387219234
I don't know ff makes more wavers here in the west than DQ.

>>387219219
At least that Gilgamesh is actually Gilgamesh unlike the absolute disgusting abhorrent tripe that was fucked into XV.

It was already saved when they rebooted it and called it Bravely Default but then they fucked it just one game later.
Our next hope is Octopath Traveler.

>>387219113
Final Fantasy "Innovated" itself into an unrecognizable mess. You want to go from being a cat into a tiger, not a cat into Manbearpig.

>>387219234
This.
just wait for the next FF game and FFXV will be gone from peoples memories.

>>387219292
Bravely Default fucked itself when you had to do the same shit 4-5 times over.

bring back Ivalice Alliance and Crystal Chronicle spin offs
starting with a new Tactics Advance game for the 3DS
and a CC game for the Switch
Keep going with the FF7 remake, while at the same time release HD versions of 7's spin offs between parts
and put Tokyo RPG Factory on a proper FF6 remake

>>387215908
Make a final Final Fantasy and move on.

>>387219337
Yeah but it wasnt like they repeated the same scripted it was just the same boss battles and you get extra shit you missed. None the less I enjoyed the game very much.

>>387219337
Small budget
You're not supposed to encounter this kind of situation in a main FF

>>387216931
Persona is fine
Dragon Quest is fine

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>>387218720
I wish they didn't ruin the lore with the sequels.

>>387217605
How's that FFXV combat workin' for ya son?

Ya winnin'?

>>387219424
Persona is waifu garbage for weebs made on a crappy budget and can't measure up to something that people actually put time and resources into.

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at least we can all agree that the savior of jrpg now is Atlus

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>>387215908
FF15 clearly had completely fucked up development. Seriously, what the fuck was with that blood moon that didn't end up in the game but was far enough developed to be in the files of the duscae demo?

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Make a turn based semi open world game with ff9/ff12 setting.

Would you buy?

>>387219234
>DQ11 has sold half of XV worldwide sales in a few weeks in only one country
Shame DQ isn't more popular outside of japan

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>>387219182
No but you try too hard.

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>>387219286
Played the wrong gilgamesh.

>>387219495
(You)'ve been disregarded.

>>387219234
No it wouldn't, people love FFXV and it sold more than all the others on launch, while no one besides Japan even gives a shit about DQ and it would barely make a dent on XVs western stretch.

>>387219315
People are literally begging SE for more XV so no.

>>387215908
>e can all agree that FFXV was disappointing mess
wrong, fuckley

>>387219479
Better than any other FF combat that's for sure.

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>>387219367
>bring back Ivalice

Literally bring back Matsuno.
Let the dude do his things, for fucking sake all his games scored near max rating everywhere, all his games are masterpieces, Vagrant story, FFT, Tactics ogre, FFXII...

>>387219424
>Persona is fine

The combat in Persona is boring as shit. The only reason people even play those shitty games is because they made it into the video game equivalent of a harem anime complete with shitty love interest and a gary stu protagonist.

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>tfw I hate the game, but I still cried over the camp scene at the end.

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>>387219495
>Persona is waifu garbage for weebs made on a crappy budget and can't measure up to something that people actually put time and resources into.

>>387219496
FFXV was the savior of JRPG because it literally boosted PS4 sales in Japan that allowed PS4 to become a viable platform in Japan for more JRPGs to then come onto it.

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>>387219081

>>387219552
>Country of degenerate pedophiles like archaic game for old people.
It's 2017, grow up. It's no longer okay to like turn based combat.

>>387219557
Ok then, point out where the 24th ip is then since you are so convinced
Or are you fucking stupid that you weren't aware of the IP glitch that 4chanx has

>>387219521
Dummy content can be found in games all the time, that bloodmoon for example was only capable of being seen via a glitch.

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>>387219532
Hell yes I would, bring in some classic classes where these characters were specifically designed for such classes. Make the MC a Monk this time. Have his special moves Super Train SUUUUUUPLEEEEX

>>387219676
And then those same sites turned around a few months later once the checks had cashed and complained about how the game was a homophobic mess that didn't quite live up to the hype.

>>387219653
12 did that well? I kinda stopped playing because of Vaan

>>387219683
Nope.

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>>387216551
>That moment when you have to lead him through that one dungeon while Noctis is acting like an asshole to everyone as he completely fumbles around and you know he's barely holding it together when Prompto and Gladio help him stay steady and it culminates in Ignis knowing he's a liability but he's their friend and wants to help as much as he can.
>Got so good he could fight like normal 10 years later.

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Haven't played XV, but the biggest FF disappointment for me was the XIII trilogy after how amazingly good XII was.

>FFXIII
>good plot, okay gameplay
>the entire game is literally a tunnel aside from that one Pulse area

>FFXIII-2
>extremely good gameplay
>fucked up plot

>FFXIII:LR
>good gameplay, okay plot, an actual open world
>MOTHERFUCKING TIME LIMIT

>>387219765
Then don't play him, he's irrelevant to the plot and rarely speak.

>>387219819
>Good plot
Can't say I agree
But whatever.

>>387219848
Shit then I gotta get that game again.

>>387219923
Don't forget to play the FF12 drinking game too. Everytime Vaan is irrelevant and ignored as soon as Balthier appears take a drink.

>>387215908
>how do we save Final Fantasy?
Make very long game with plot.

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>>387219496
>not DQXI

>>387219947
Please tell me this is for real

>>387219819
XV is much better than all of those.

>>387219995
This is why this series is awesome, does what it wants gives no fucks

>>387215908
Final fantsy races.on Chocobo.

Why is xv-kun so aggressive ):

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>>387219653
>Literally bring back Matsuno.
Okay.

>>387220062
No idea, ask him

>>387220073
The man is cold leave him alone

>>387215908
Final fantasy 13

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>>387219717
But it was also featured in a trailer as being part of the final game.What happened to ALL this shit? It just tells they kept changing things for reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av_B4Ixci38

>>387215908
FF first person shooter.

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>>387219738

>>387220168
There was also all that cool shit flying around the empire that never got looked at either. Seriously, what the fuck was all that.

>>387219738
>monk mc
>the inevitable "fightin round the world" shitposting
I like the way you think my man

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>>387220056
Oh, psh. Look harder.

>>387220361
See what i mean?
You just assume things. For some reason only you and KHfags exist in your world

>>387220361
He didn't mention kh

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>tfw you like FFXV but hate xv-kun

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>>387220196
It's pretty bad.

>>387216174
I wouldnt even say make it turn based. If youre going to do action combat make it actually fucking good. How awesome would it have been for a protagonist who can make swords from nothing, throw them and warp to them to have action combat akin to a hack and slash style? Nier Automata did it good enough with maybe the fault being on number scaling with its very shallow RPG level up system but still. Would have been fantastic.

But given Tabata's track record the guy has no idea how to make a combat system. Even the shallow one we have now does not feel good to play with.

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>>387220168
>But it was also featured in a trailer as being part of the final game.
That may as well have just been a provisional version of what the world of ruin effect was going to be, that machine thing looks like the same thing as in the Malboro swamp and that flying thing can be seen flying around Niflheim when you get there.

>>387220387
>>387220392
See what I mean, just endless deflection and mindless defense of people who try to talk shit about XV then you pretend they don't.

>>387219049
Tabata is a failure as a director not in terms of financial success, but being a creative driving force while Nomura had the vision but was crappy at deadlines, if he stayed the director he would have had a finished product albeit longer time to get released. What Tabata did was basically destroy 80% of the game and did what he could with the remaining content which is bad. Bad repetitive combat (basically hold phase out to never get hurt lol), bad disconnected story, stella had more time in the trailer than luna who was a glorified plot device, and weak characters , boring driving and fetch quests which is the majority of the game, inaccessible lands like the continent for Nifleheim and Tenenbrae as well as Insomnia and Altissia and Chaos Realm, and a crappy cringey forced ending. Wasted millions of dollars on Kingsglaive (sucked), Audi, Brotherhood (boring), making food look good, entire UNCOVERED event and mass marketing when they could have focused all resources to COMPLETING a game. Because of this game, any Tabata game will diminish in preorders and release day sales due to bad User reviews. SE is on it's way to becoming a pachinko business.

>>387220505
I didn't even defend anything though, why are you so paranoid

>>387220505
But he didn't mention kh. You brought them up when they weren't in the conversation. It wasn't even connected to the previous kh chatter earlier in the thread either

>>387219081
the best being the worst? I Agree.

>>387220523
The uncovered event will always be my favorite little disaster. Have an entire event dedicated to unveiling a release date and still have to delay it. That is precious.

>>387218390
Its MARKETING saved FF and SE. I know many people who stopped playing the game altogether to go play a better one. The trailers for the game indicated SO MUCH MORE than what we actually got, most disgusting example was how a camera pans around Tenebrae like its an explorable zone and I was hoping to get to it to break the monotony of the fucking flat, empty, barren landscape that is the main map area, and then coming to the grim realization that its just some fucking scenery for what is essentially a glorified balcony.

Your average gamer is incredibly complacent and very likely to shrug it off, I mean fuck barely anyone returned No Mans Sky for the PS4 because taking back a physical copy is usually too much effort for the average consumer.

>>387220523
>Tabata is a failure as a director
No he's a better director than Nomura ever has been.

> but being a creative driving force while Nomura had the vision but was crappy at deadlines,
What vision did Nomura have? Changing everything every single time we saw the game and wanting to turn it into a musical on a whim?

The game would have been even more unfinished had Nomura stayed on because it would have had one story split across multiple games and so the first game wouldn't have even had a fucking ending.

What Tabata did was condense the story into 1 game while only sidestory material is told outside of the game now that you don't need to watch to understand the main story, not only did Tabata save the game but he made it better than whatever Nomura was planning.

The combat is more diverse than anything we saw Nomura had in store, in Nomura's version Noctis was auto weapons the entire time and the other charaters were just lesser versions of him. Now in Tabata's version you have full manual weapon switching with directional inputs and multiple means of defensive abilities from doge rolls, shields, phases to counters and parries, you have the warpstrike system and directional inputs on your combos which you can and are better off doing by tapping, and in the DLC also created far more detailed and diverse versions of the other characters combat styles so that they feel individual too. The main story in the game is more connected than anything Nomura had planned, Luna is objectively better and more fleshed out than anything Stella would have been or was ever shown to be. Stella is LITERALLY in 5 minutes and 20 seconds of trailer and 3 of those minutes are just repeated scene that was modified making her even more passive, while Luna has more screentime than your average Zelda has also while being more important to the games plot than Stella was ever shown or implied to be, without Luna then Noctis wouldn't have succeeded in anything.

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>>387220468
I wonder if they're ever going to pull a 15-2,15-3 with all those assets they have or if they are satisfied with milking what they have. There's too much money used to make such a mediocre product.

>>387220721
At the very least, FFXIV can use all the assets. I mean, they already try and use as many assets from 11-13 as possible.

>>387220235
That's an mmo.
I NEEDS A NON ONLINE GAME! The only game I've ever seen in a classic class style where the monk was the main character, was tales of legendia or what ever it was called with Cenil. That game gets less love than the other tales games.

>>387220523
To add onto your post, his track before xv is pretty mixed
CC was decent but 3rd birthday wasn't as well received
Before crisis was such an afterthought it never left japan
Coded too, but it was remade without his involvement.
Type-0 was nearly canceled, didn't leave japan for another 4 years after it launched, and only had an ok reception when it finally reached the states

>>387220468
You understand the basic insinuation for anyone to see this kind of shit in a trailer it be you fighting it later on right? Its like fucking video games dev 101.

Even the visual element is a downgrade since you have to see it fly over the dullest zones in the game and it doesn't even last long whilst the one in the trailer has it flying in a circle around some structure on a hill.

I'm still waiting to beat the shit out of the Square Enix CEO. JUST FUCKING RELEASE THAT CONTENT ALREADY. NIER DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT PUBLICIZED AND THEY RELEASED IT FUUUUUUUUCK

>>387220523
The characters are more stronger and better presented in the final game than anything we ever saw Nomura show us, the driving is more fun and fully formed than anything Nomura ever fucking showed us, for fuck sakes you dumb cunt Nomura literally said when he tried testing the driving on the build he was directing that the console couldn't even keep up and the map couldn't keep up with the car, meanwhile they have full proper offroad driving in an open world in the final game which NOmura has never achieved in anything.

The sidequests like the ontour quests, Behemoth quest, dungeon quests, Cid quests are all good while only a few of the others are fetch quests not any different than your standard FF sidequest. Niflheim and Tenebrae was never shown accessible in anything Nomura showed let alone us even fucking SEEING it in anything Nomura showed, while at least Tabata showed those places to us, and we do get to explore Altissia which again was more than we ever saw of it than what Nomura showed us, all while having the best most emotinally impactful ending the entire franchise has ever had. Kingsglaive was funded by Sony and was good, better version of the invasion than what 2011 Versus was that's for fucking sure, so was Brotherhood which was good and showed more character for the bros than Nomura ever showed us too, the food looking good is literally a fucking plus because it's a part of the games buff system and plays into the entire camping theme which has ALWAYS BEEN A MAJOR FUCKING PART OF THE GAMES THEME you dumb cunt. The uncovered event was a success in that it put eyes onto the game even despite the delay which happened way later on, what the fuck does a marketting event have to do with them somehow not being able to finish a game you stupid fucking moron?

You are the dumbest fucking cunt I have ever fucking seen in these threads, jesus fucking chrsit just stop posting you braindead Nomura fan tard.

>>387220547
>>387220590
Then stop getting pissed at me. The fact that you even get pissy at the mention of KH means you are only responding to me because you want to defend it.

>>387220656
The best.

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>>387220807
When you get gaming tier internet, it'll be waiting.

>>387215908
>we can all agree that FFXV was disappointing mess so how do we save Final Fantasy?

no offense guys, but when I see these threads I think of some spic who can only afford one game per year and becomes super obsessed with it and makes bait threads about it even though there is nothing really to talk about. the one thing that's really good about the game is that common battles usually feel repetitive in open world rpgs, in this one they are fun, every single one.

I'm sad that shield effect from Comrades isn't in the main game.

>>387220936
I'm not even pissed buddy. It's just weird that you assume someone is a fanboy of a series just because they don't like you.
There're a lot of people in these threads that even like XV but dislike you.

>>387220936
>the fact that I deflected to something totally unrelated to the conversation means you are only responding to me because you want to defend it.
If you want to believe in your delusions, I won't stop you

>>387215908
I played it with no expectations and enjoyed it. Honestly, when it was versus XIII it looked like edgy emo shit, so I'm not against the changes.

>>387220964
>I think of some spic who can only afford one game per year and becomes super obsessed with it and makes bait threads about it even though there is nothing really to talk about
He's an aussie but you were close in your assumptions

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>>387220697
>Its MARKETING saved FF and SE.
No the game saved FF and SE, XV was demoed multiple times at multiple events and multiple publically released demos well over a year before the game was out, people had their chance to play it, to test it, to see the characters and the basic flow of the games day to day activities and they loved it which is why they bought it and why it sold more at launch in the US than any other FF has to date. All the gameplay trailers in 2016 were of the actual game.

> most disgusting example was how a camera pans around Tenebrae like its an explorable zone
The world of wonder trailer is literally just a trailer showing places in the game, which Tenebrae is a place in the game as well as those assets are used in multiple cutscenes in the game.

>break the monotony of the fucking flat,
It's not and is less empty and barren than any other FF world map has been and ever has been.

Fuck off already you stupid dumb fuck.

>>387221062
Well no wonder, I'd shitpost every day about the only game I could buy if they were $100 here too.

>>387220862
And? Versus was cancelled after 6 years of only getting 20% done, and multiple other games Nomura worked on were cancelled too like that DC/Square game which those Batman/Catwoman figure designs came from. Also 3rd Birthday was Nomura's idea and Nomura said he assigned Tabata to direct that.

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>>387220779
I actually enjoyed 13-2 and 13-3 the gameplay changes felt nice and lightning returns had some good side quests. I wouldn't mind if they did something like that again to fix their fuckup. They are kinda doing that already with the dlc but i aint paying anymore till a pc release with bundled dlc

>>387216931
Persona 5 did it well so unless it's that level of fluidity, they should just make it more action based.

I really want to participate in a FFXV thread. I really do, but every time I enter one it's just faggots like XV-kun, ADD underages and disillusioned oldfags shitflinging at each other.
kill yourselves already.

>>387220865
>the dullest zones in the game
>Niflheim
>Dullest zone
No.

>>387221062
>He's an aussie

i find it impossible to believe an aussie didn't like a super chill game about bros camping out an killing big bugs.

also wtf. kingsglave was fucking aweomse, I've seen it 3 times already.
also 2. Tabata is a good director, he run out of time to a lot of things but he is good. hopefully Square understands that Nomura is not director material and give VII to Tabata.

>>387220875
The FFXV team gave the Nier team their model assets so that the Nier team could do that.

>>387221134
I don't care
I am talking about tabata
>said he assigned Tabata to direct that.
And the end product tabata made wasn't that well received

>>387220967
Gamescom better tell us when we're getting the final version so I can make a cutie patootie to do warp strikes with.

>>387221223
They still had to model Platinum CEO and remix that battle music. More effort than 15 is putting in to getting that content to the end user. Could just pop it in the mogchocobo festival, something, I mean it's another thing that could be included in the monthly "wow it's fucking nothing" updates.

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>>387220967
The magic and the barrier from that look like things they are gonna be adding to the main game judging by the survey pic using the same barrier shield pic. Same as the new magic in that too.

>>387221308
>cutie patootie
enjoy your short haired butch woman.

>>387220987
And the fact that you respond to me post in this snarky way shows that you are doing it because you are trying to get back at me for something I said about KH, so yes your bias is clear.

>>387221062
>>387221119
>>387221218
Nice reading comprehension. That guy is talking about OP being a retard trying to shit against the game.

>>387221321
If they cheap out and just add it as "survey feedback" and not the plethora of other interesting things that would actually be decent I'd be rather annoyed though.

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>>387221349

gib all the moneis you funneled from xiv to trash projects back pls

>>387221379
>because you are trying to get back at me
No, you're just a paranoid idiot
But like I said, I won't stop you from believing your own delusions

>>387221321
Anyone that didn't choose hardmode is cancer.

>>387221251
Nomura was creative producer on it and the foundation of the game was all set by him before Tabata was even part of it, the story of the game was lead by Toriyama and Nomura was a core memeber all through its development right to the end. You initial post was in response to someone trying to shit on Tabata so they can defend Nomura, Tabata is still a better director than Nomura.

>>387221437
gib all the moneis xiv funneled to fix its shitty launch back to versus pls

>>387221184
>XV-kun, ADD underages and disillusioned oldfags shitflinging at each other.

is XV-kun a real guy or do you call everyone who defends the game ?
funnier are the nostalgia fucks who totally shit on the game and call for a turn based to "save" the series

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>>387221310
>They still had to model Platinum CEO
I just told you the XV devs made that model and gave it to the Nier devs, the Nier devs didn't make that model. And swapping out a wav clip to have his voice clips replace the other voice clips in a DAW then reexporting it with the is the easiest fucking thing you could do. That model was made for XVs launch event.

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Why is XV-kun still defending Tabata when he's not even the director anymore?

>>387221487
newfag

>>387221552
Can you not fucking read.
How is the Platinum CEO in any way related to FFXV's launch event? Why would FFXV devs have a model of the Platinum CEO? Why would it be for a game Platinum didn't make? Or is that it? XV devs are so busy working on other games they can't deal with their own shitpile?

>>387221476
And I'm not that person who wrote the giant paragraph
I was only referring to tabata and his track record, and I already know about nomura's involvement
>it's not tabata's fault, nothing is ever tabata's fault
If you say so man

>>387221631
Nice reading comprehension.

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>>387221349
There is multiple hair options that were greyed out and only two were available in the online test. We already know they are gonna make Aranea playable too. Plus there is also gonna be far more ancestor faces to mix between

>>387221437
SEs HD games sector makes more money than the MMO sector so eat shit.

>>387221679
I DON'T WANT THIS BULLSHIT SLIDER CLUSTERFUCK
GIVE ME PRESETS

>>387221487
People call anyone they see defending XV as XV-kun.

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>>387221567
Why are you still trying to shit on Tabata and defend Nomura when Nomura hasn't released a full console game since 2005?

>>387221509
>All those whales buying shit for mobile titles
>MMO that low
I'm in despair

>>387221794
What's the new directors name again? That man, or rather those men since there are multiple directors now (none of which are Hajime Tabata), each deserve a medal for all theirs efforts in saving FFXV from the Tabata shitfest 2bh

>>387221740
Hi, XV-kun.

>>387221487
Real person who has shitposted here for so long that the term itself has been mistakenly associated with anyone who defends xv on some occasions
The mistake is usually corrected and the actual xv-kun will make his presence known so that everyone knows that he is present in the thread

>>387221631
>How is the Platinum CEO in any way related to FFXV's launch event?
That was just a headswap, SE have their own facial scan thing which they just scan the face in, Plat CEO was just headswapped onto Matsuda's model. XV team even did facial scan for some random employee at the SE Artina cafe who is in the Chocobo carnival. It takes like 2 people and less than a day to even do that.

>>387221656
>it's all tabata's fault nomura is never at fault

>>387221832
They fund our games and fuel our street lights.

At least we can all agree that Tabata is better than Toriyama.

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>>387217907
So dont be Square Enix basically

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>>387221720
There is gonna be presets.

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>>387221972
Agreed.

>>387221997
Shut up, XV-kun. I'm talking to SE, not you.

>>387216579
You forgot the most important part anon: it had no benefit over fast travel and infact was inferior to it in many ways. Due to the fact that you didn't even originally get AP from using it, it was inferior to just driving on the road.

>>387217907
I'm going to wildcard your proposal.

-Show concept trailer years in advance
-Don't know what you're going to do at all
-Alice and Wonderland Tea Party style staff changes where they arbitrarily leave and come back to work on the project
-Use time inefficiently and waste resources wherever possible.
-Hire anime and light novel writers
-Use obscure hard to figure out layered gameplay systems
-Waste resources on figuring out stupid shit like getting individual ice cubes to melt at different times.
-Spend 10 years making your own engine an then scrap it for UE5.

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>>387221572
>newfag

oh fuck off.

>>387221879
>Real person who has shitposted

see how people are willing to help ?

>>387221184
>disillusioned oldfags

I love FF oldfags. There's nothing better than triggering them by telling them how FF is doing great. I did that with XIII, but now that XV is actually well received and sold like hotcakes, oh boy it feels so good.

also have a rare shiva

I SUMMON XV-KUN IN DEFENCE MODE

>>387222158
>doesn't know who XV-kun is
>pretends he isn't a newfag

>>387215908
It' s all you gonna get for a while. 16 will be online trash again and Remake is far far away.

>>387222158
>but now that XV is actually well received and sold like hotcakes
yes it sold because a majority of the playerbase are normie shiteaters or faggots without a critical eye for detail in games. it's just sad actually.

>>387221943
I see you have a personal vendetta against the faggot. I hope you find peace it one day
Regardless, Tabata doesn't have a stellar track record

>>387221972
It's easy to see why XIII would turn off a lot of people, but it was a complete, extremely well-crafted, polished experience. Had numerous flaws sure but damn it had identity and felt like a Final Fantasy.

XV was an unpolished train wreck with zero direction and vision and it wasn't an experience in any way. This applies to every aspect of the game. The game is confused, shallow, and soulless.

>>387222129
>-Alice and Wonderland Tea Party style staff changes
I'm just picturing someone yelling out "CHANGE PLACES" and suddenly the graphics designer is now a voice actor.

>>387216579
>and you couldn't even have any fun with it because it had a no fun allowed game over attached to it.
Which is made even sillier by the fact that if you're driving automatically and Ignis gets stuck between cars like at Lestallum (Which I've had happen three times now) it'll just pop you back. Same deal if you're going 60-70MPH and decide to u-turn while there's a Y fork in the road and you end up going over the barriers it'll just pop you back as well. I don't understand why it didn't just pop you back or damage your car instead of instant game over, it's terrifying to try and land that thing.

Another wonder is why they didn't add an AP modifier to the Ascension grid, the Armiger's expands once you gain the Armiger Chain as an example so why not just add another orb to Exploration?

>>387217907
>-Dont show concept trailers 10 years before the game's release
I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here; it's better than nintendo announcing a number
>-Have a solid idea of what you want to do
they did. kingdoms, empires, warping
>-Stop playing musical chairs with critical staff members
Musical chais is the only way to get rid of Nomura.
>-Manage time and resources effectively
Sure. lol.
>-Get a competent writer for today's standards
the writer was fine, this is not XIII dipshit
>-Figure out what works and stop trying to experiment with dodgy gameplay in a major release
go play DQ
>-Stop wasting resources on trivial details
haha fuck off. 3D modeling food was the best money Square spent on XV
>-Dont use a beta graphic engine for a major release, especially if its not suited for the game
no.

>>387222429
You need to go back

>>387222429
>I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here; it's better than nintendo announcing a number
How does that make it any better, that's not how devil's advocate works.
Just because someone shot someone else in the doesn't mean everyone it's cool for everyone to do it

>>387221868
Kenichi Shida is director of Ep Gladio and Ep Prompto, most likely for Ep Ignis too, Shida was the Game Section Design Manager on the main game XV, he was also a lead event animator on KH2 and ReCoM. Tohya was co-director on Episode Prompto, I can't find anyone named "Tohya" in the credits but there is someone named Tsukasa Toya out of 4 people who was credited for "Battle: Niflheim", implying he was one of the four in charge of the Niflheim battles.

Takatsugu Nakazawa is the director for all the update content, he was System Designer & Battle Director for the main game XV and also the RPG system planner, he was also the battle planner on FF7, FF8 and FF10 and the battle director on FF10-2.

>>387221972
Obviously.

>>387222538
Thanks for that, very informative.

>>387222538
At this point XV is just a SE arts project.

>>387222354
>The game is confused, shallow, and soulless.

quick english lesson. adding negative adjectives one after another doesn't help your point. especially if you don't have one. the story of XV was not very polished but the game itself was really strong. objectively, this is the BEST gameplay in an open world ever.

>>387222103
Are you blind?

>>387215908
>how do we save Final Fantasy?
Remove
Realism
Seamless open world
Incompetent directors
Anime troupes
DLCs
Sequels
Incompetent story teller, directors
UNIVERSE
Full voice on every dialogue, not everything/everyone needs to be voiced, i.e; that bitch at the power station
Dynamic weather effect
Luminous engine
bootstrap animation

I would prefer some of the shit in XV to not even be present at all in order for the assets to be ready so the story would not be butchered.

>>387222335
No I just am sick of his fanboys shit.

>>387222604
It's a FF16 early access open beta and that's a good thing.

>>387222667
If you say so

>>387222538
I wonder if Tabata has been elevated to Producer.

>>387222647
The only thing it needs to remove is "Incompetent directors" aka Nomura.

>>387222752
I think you mean demoted

>>387222789
>somehow a man who has not directed a single mainline FF is the problem in FF's direction
However did you come to this conclusion?

>>387222752
In that ATR Tabata specifically said that he is now the producer for all XV Universe stuff while those dudes are directing that new stuff, Ofuji jokingly called him "Tabata P", compared to before the game was out he was always referred to as "Tabata D".

>>387222606
Eh? It's pretty easy to discern how all of those adjectives relate to XV.
>confused
The game wants to be an "epic" about warring kingdoms and legacy but also a slice of life anime about homosexual boys camping and cooking together, the combat wants to be an action game but tries to appeal to turn based audience with things like wait mode, it wants to be an open world yet isn't committed enough to have exploration without invisible walls every five feet
>shallow
Everything about the game is lacking in depth from the barely strung together story to the hold O combat to the lack of interactivity in the worrld or exploration
>soulless
This relates back to the first one, with the game being a collection of what the suits want to appeal to as many people as possible. The game has a Ubisoft UI, open world, QTEs, focus on "cinematic" set pieces over gameplay etc

>>387219172
final fantasy is lost. I'm playing dragon quest for that feel

>>387222860
Nomura's first attempt at trying to direct anything FF related was Advent Children.

His second attempt at anything FF related was FF Versus which fucked up because of both him and SE high up meddling, he was already planning sequels before he even ahd 20% of the first game done.

His 3rd attempt is splitting a beloved classic into multiple games and changing the tone of it entirely to be more in line with Advent Children.

>>387222957
>Nomura's first attempt at trying to direct anything FF related was
Kingdom Hearts

>>387222354
You have those two mixed up.

>>387222957
Kitase was a writer and producer on AC, he is the one who started AC with Nojima

Nojima was a writer on AC too

Nomura was a character designer and in charge of the battle direction scenes of AC, Kitase slapped his name on as director to promote the movie

>>387219591
Those infected people are okay, right? He use the blunt side of the blade, right?

>>387222957
Ignoring that those weren't mainline, how did these degrade the quality of the mainline titles such as XII, XIII, XIV and XV? Although I guess he can be blamed for XV since he was the original director but it's always unclear with these big director shifts what exactly he was trying to make.

>>387222869
>the game
>the combat wants
>the hold O

the common secret about this game, is that most people are not really good at the battle system. also, more english lessons bro.

>>387223057
This is what XV looks like when you get good at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfR06KrKWDU

>>387223057
the combat system is so braindead that holding O can carry you through most fights

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>>387222865
Hmm, so here's how I figure things are working out at SE Japan's big AAA development teams these days:
>FF7R: Producer Kitase/Unamed Director Toriyama no one believes Nomura is actually calling the shots on this or KH3. He's basically a figurehead at this point.
>FF14: Producer/Director Yoshida
>FF15 post lauch content: Producer Tabata/misc Directors
>KH3: Producer Hashimoto/Director Tai Yasue

>>387223119
That's some very intense O holding

>>387223029
>Nomua was only in charge of the battle direction scenes of AC, it's not his fault
>tabata was only in charge of the gameplay in 3rd birthday, it's not his fault
Defenders of both men make up the dumbest excuses and bullshit

>>387222726
Not XV-kun, but, Nomura fanbois are kinda annoying. Do they even realise how fucking terrible the plot of KH? Nomura is good as a guy to give creative ideas from time to time, but not full on direct or to write a cohesive story. I like Versus's concepts as well, but I can feel how it can't work as a single release, because Nomura loves to fix his plot holes on his sequels. Even then, plot holes appears in his "fix". But then again, Nojima is working with him in Versus, probably it'll be ok story-wise. I appreciate what the guy does, but he's not director material. Tabata as well. That guy's better as a producer/GM. Kitase should return to directing and gave the mantel of producer to Tabata.

>>387223119
That fight was the best in the game. If only more of them were like that.

>>387223176
That post is from XV-kun back when he was Nomura fanboy

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/318134472/#318146602

>>387223156
give the guy credit, he used L1 + R1 and then held O

>>387223151
You have to be retarded to think this

>>387223210
pottery

I don't know...
I dislike the fact of the main protagonist were only faggots.
That's why I love FFXIII characters (only Lightning and her sister to be honest) but I hate everything else about the game. In the other hand I hate all FFXV protagonists but I love everything else related with the gameplay and visuals.

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>>387223035
They're very durable zombies.

>>387223057
Not that guy, but the game really doesn't offer you anything that you'd need to be "good" for to clear it, it's not "hold O to win the whole game" but holding the two primary buttons gets you thourgh most normal fights. Sure it has tons of options, but a few of those are so much better compared to the rest the they carreid me through the whole game. especially some of the party skills like regroup. I even stopped using magic at some point because it's just a boring nuke that kills most things instantly.
I don't know what people expected from a mainline FF though, there's maybe one mainlne FF that's even somewhat challenging. It was an alright attempt ,but needs way better balancing and tons of improvements. Maybe in 10 years for FF16

>>387223234
he's a dumb moeshit poster what do you expect

>>387223202
>to write a cohesive story
Kh has many writers believe it or not

XV was pretty bad. And the last thing we need is more skinner box shit such as the current MMO.

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>>387222869
>The game wants to be an "epic" about warring kingdoms
No, it doesn't, it wants that to be in the background while you are doing bro stuff which has always been the main point. And the thing the people love the most about the game is the bros and how well they are portrayed.

The combat wants to be an ARPG in an open world with multiple characters but in line with the narrative focus of the prince with all the powers and his support with barely any power, and it is exactly that by having you play as the prince with all the powers and your bros being support both literally in the narrative and gameplay wise as support.

It is an open world game that is seamless without a single load once you boot up the game, you can walk from one side of Leide through every single dungeon, outpost and settlement while engaging in every single battle all the way to the further side of Cleigne and there wouldn't be a single loading screen. There is also not any more invisible walls than your average open world game, let alone the classic world map FFs which constantly railroaded you.

There is more depth just from weapon switching, loadouts and your buffs in conjunction with your combos and warps than what FF has tried with its combat prior, and it is supported more firmly by that backing more so than you could ever say for FF13 with its literal autobattle to win combat where you can't even give direct orders to your AI.

The game has more soul and personality and charm than FF has had since the PS1 era.

FF7, 8,9, 10 all have QTEs in them. FF has been "cinematic" since FF7 with setpieces dating back even further, there is nothing "ubisoft" even remotely about anything in the game, and the open world all works to support the sense of scale and scope the games world has to creating a believable world with mosnters living in an ecosystem, the dungeons and the settlements here and there, to how the party interacts with all of that. It creates a more full experience.

>>387223262
XV-kun thinks you should use shit options simply because it's there instead of just picking up a game with balance, like KH2FM

>>387222998
I'm talking about things with the Final Fantasy name in the title that he was in charge of.

>>387223131
>the combat system is so braindead
"holding o" is code word for noctis's feet touching the ground when you play
git gud

>>387223238
FFXIII is shit Anon.
But I don't like male characters. So we can agree with that.

>>387223364
you have no reason to go into the air and your combat set in the air is non existent

>>387216334
there's literally nothing wrong with a touch of diesel/steam/cyberpunk that's been with final fantasy since ever.

>>387216931
Fuck off to your ubishit actionfag

>>387223029
>he is the one who started AC with Nojima
Yes back when AC was a shortfilm about the children in Midgar, which completely changed when Nomura raised his hand as wanting to come onto the project and everything completely changed from that point on, with him being heavily involved in the story too.

Nojima was a writer on all three of those Nomura directed projects.

>Kitase slapped his name on as director to promote the movie
This is false, Nomura raised his hand saying he wanted to join the project and it changed ever since, not Kitase slapping his name on it.

>>387223048
>and XV
XV raised the quality ever since he was taken off.

>>387223364
See >>387223119

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>>387223383
>FFXIII is shit Anon.

XIII>XV>IX

>>387223440
>replying to yourself

>>387223119
>>387223479
No SBK91 that is what you look like if you use equalizer buff at level 1 so you can cheese the game because of equalizer only working that effectively at level 1.

Doing that fight regularly without having to rely on equalizer at level 1 which is the only way that buff even works that well doesn't result in that fight being that quick.

>>387223416
Yeah, some magitech elements are fine, but no further than VI had. VII was already overboard.

>>387223238
Sorry that you're gay XIII-kun.

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>>387223524
>IX below XIII or even fucking XV

>>387223339
SBK91 how do you feel about KH3 having inconsistent hitstun and no screenshake on hits?

>>387223131
SE has done great action combat with KH2 and Lightning Returns, but this game...this game is not even remotely on either of those games level.

Seriously convinced every good thing that SE has ever done is a huge fluke because they can never even come close to recreating it.

>>387215908
FFXV's biggest problem were it's characters. They we're bland, forgettable and unlike any other Final Fantasy cast before XV (even XIII). Final Fantasy game is as good as its characters.

>>387223630
Vivi is the only good character in 9.

>>387223630
daily reminder that IX is only worshiped by neckbeards
stay buttmad

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>>387223684
Man don't start this shit again you know exactly where it leads. At this point both of you just want to shitpost

>>387223262
This. It's just im not pleased at all with how attack tracking works, and how unbalanced the mechanics are like warp strike, link actions, and parries are. I've just grown numb to encounters to the point that I'm exploiting these things more and more as I play the game when I would rather be doing cool stuff like weapon switch combos and what not if they actually had any practical application outside of the most simple setups.

What reason is there not to just keep spamming warp points into big damage warp strikes when it's both the best damaging strategy and best way to stay completely safe and keep MP full. Terribly unbalanced game design.

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>>387223131
Yeah bro

>>387223704
XV is better than both of those on every level.

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>>387223704
>every good thing that SE has ever done is a huge fluke
>main director of TWEWY was also the director of All the Bravest
Yeah...

>>387223704
>SE has done great action combat with KH2 and Lightning Returns, but this game...this game is not even remotely on either of those games level.

as someone who beat those games and XV, I agree with you.

>>387223730
my biggest complaint about the characters in XV is that if you are not in the main 4, you were got fuck all for development

>>387223774
I'm not worshipping it, but it's certainly better than those two entries

>>387223704
I'm pretty sure the battle system designers from KH2 and LR are working on VIIR at the moment. Well, actually I know for a fact that the KH2 lead battle designer is on VIIR since it was mentioned in an interview and I'm guessing that since it's being made by the same division that LR was made by so it's very possible that its devs are working on it as well.

>>387220937
Oh man I still love that game it's on my ps3, but I don't want to buy it again for my ps4.

>>387219717
They literally re-wrote the planned story/lore after Duscae. XV never got out development hell, it just got shipped in a working condition (for an open world RPG, XV is actually quite polished).

>>387222158
It's XV-kun

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>>387223868
>I'm not worshipping it, but it's certainly better than those two entries

STAY BUTTMAD, XIII and XV are more beloved in the real world

>>387223916
Should've done the free PS3 to PS4 transfer.

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>>387223816
The multiplayer shows they've rebalanced everything, you can no longer spam O to win because you will die if you try, you can no longer just spam warp because you will run out of MP after 2 or 3 warps, you can't phase anymore and instead use the shield barrier which costs like half of your MP when it deflects something, you can't use items and must use cure magic which uses 1/3 to 1/2 of your full MP, same for spells, and you only recover about 5-10MP from warppoints.

>>387222354
People will try to say that all FFXIII was is mash auto, but then those same people will probably try to say this game isn't just hold to win.

This is FFXV. Hold Square and you can beat enemies well beyond your power effortlessly. At least doing low level challenges in FFXIII took a lot of skill. https://youtu.be/cEZYl6KrglQ

>>387223884
>designers
Only 1 person from KH2s battle team is on 7R, while multiple of them are on XV.

>>387224029
I HATE whoever is in charge of 15's HUD. Someone kill that man.

>>387222606
Pretty sure if you are gonna give a grammatical lesson, you could at least capitalize the first letter in each sentence.

>>387224029
>The multiplayer
Nobody mentioned. We're talking about the actual game.

>>387224029
>The multiplayer

wake me when it's in the main game. I'm not paying $10 for a "fixed" combat system

I dunno, hire a competent lead dev. Get the Tales of guy or something. The guy who did Berseria and cleaned up Baba's mess, not Baba.

>sqeenix hires baba

>>387223950
>They literally re-wrote the planned story/lore after Duscae.
No they didn't.

End of Duscae literally shows the Cosmogony passage which is used in the final game too, same with the dialog Regis is saying and the Radio report which are used at the start of the game also, same with even Gladio's lines of reading the newspaper.

And before it was even out they said that the car doesn't actually break down in Duscae but earlier in the actual game, they only framed the demo around Duscae and had cidney come fix it but that was never how the actual game began at that point.

>>387215908
FFXV was the last Final Fantasy, so there's no way to save it.

Final Fantasy has died. Long live Kingdom Hearts!

>>387224065
>Only 1 person
Can you say this with definitive proof or are you simply using the fact that only one person has been named (because he is the lead designer) that it means there are no others on the team? Because I can provide you with an interview that suggests there are multiple.

http://gematsu.com/2015/12/final-fantasy-vii-remake-details-reason-multi-part-release-cyberconnect2-collaboration-more
>The battle tempo will be similar to Dissidia Final Fantasy Arcade. This time, we’re only getting a look at the base part of the battle system, but you can switch characters and apply strategies. Nomura says it’s not just aimlessly striking enemies. To accomplish such a system, they’re recruiting experienced people from Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts to the team.

>>387224048
I'm ok with holding circle. But I want to know, which retard gave the idea of holding Square to auto-dodge. Not to mention the insta MP heal at warp points. Literally beats the purpose of an action based combat.

Square's obsession with graphics is really whats hurting them these past 2 gen. Too much resource is wasted on making shit looks pretty instead having substantial amount of content the player can go through.

>>387224124
It's an expansion for the game and will also eventually incorporate all four of the bros too.

>>387224029
Would be nice if some of those carried over to single player.

>>387218390
Shipped units ≠ Sold units

>>387224250
>It's an expansion for the game and will also eventually incorporate all four of the bros too.
>eventually

there's the problem. Will interest in the game last long enough before that happen?

>>387215908
The only reason their mmo is successfull is cause they take advantage of the stupidity of their players.

Buy game, buy expansions, pay sub, cash shop, pay to skip potions etc lmao

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>>387224242
I got your back, senpai.

>>387224250
It's not part of the main game, using it as your argument for the main game only shows you realize how shit it is.

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>XV-kun STILL hasn't killed himself

>>387224408
Final Fantasy XV was supposed to be the emotional catharsis that allowed for him to get over his childhood trauma. Unfortunately, it was a shit game. This drove him over the edge. He has to, he must, defend the idea of the game in his mind before the reality became apparent. Do you understand? That memory of the pre-release hype is the only thing holding him together. He clutches at sand.

>>387224361
It's still part of the overall experience. Not my fault you're too poor to pay for the season pass.

>>387224048
>People will try to say that all FFXIII was is mash auto,
FF13 is, in fact you can win fights in 13 just by paradigm shifting, you don't even have to input commands because the AI does all the work automatically.

https://youtu.be/HAgfstIU83w

There is no skill involved in 13. Meanwhile SBK91 you fucking moron, all you have ever posted in these threads are links to equalizer runs at level 1 which completely negates the point of even doing a level 1 run, because you know you are full of fucking shit.

>>387224408
His evil needs to be cleansed of this world. The XVth moderator from the line of /v/ shall be the one to end it all.

>>387219521

>how do we save Final Fantasy?

>Back to turn based/ATB combat or at least simplistic movement so a gambit like system can work if they insist on controlling 1 character.
>instead of focus on a large open area, focus on a large, somewhat linear world with open areas that have their own flair, like in everything pre-13
>a levelling/equip system with some semblance of choice instead of flat upgrades on top of upgrades akin to a sphere grid and junction system
>A party of 6-8 with 3 females(one serious, one young and positive thinking and another quirky), 2 somewhat realistic males and 3rd odd male and a beast or 2 of some kind to round out the party. All have distinct personalities and get plenty of screen time.
>very rarely lock you out of exploration and side activities
>plenty of side activities that aren't killing random monsters like cards, blitzball, gold saucer, etc
>A story that is told over the course of the adventure and not all condensed to the end like XV

Basically, I want another FFX.

>>387224506
>It's still part of the overall experience.

an optional part of the experience

>>387224236
>But I want to know, which retard gave the idea of holding Square to auto-dodge
no idea, it was so awkward that I changed the control set-up so attack was R2 and Dodge was L2. Felt more natural

>>387224224
That doesn't say KH2, for all you know it could be KH3/BBS/DDD devs.

>>387224506
>It's not my fault you're not sucking dick
Guess it isn't

>>387224345
XIV's 40 dollar expansion was honestly better than whatever XV was trying to do desu

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>>387224242
There is well into 100 hours of content in XV.

>>387224545
But not X-3, fuck that noise.

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>>387224287
You really should learn how to read. It says sales, aka sold.

>>387224603
>100 hrs of content
>most are repetitive fetch quests

>>387224540
In FFXIII you will be paradigm switching like a madman for optimal play which was great. The game rewarded me for squeezing every ounce of use out of each paradigm setup. This game says let me do 5 regular hits for 5000 damage or do one big warp point to strike for 5000 damage + stagger effect + full MP. The link actions with L1+ direction, where you get complete iframes and safety upon activation, on top of the sheer power of the moves in general or OP actions like Ignis Regroup are comically unbalanced.

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>there are FF newfags who actually HATE 15

pathetic, its so obvious these idiots are new the franchise and want to fit in by suggesting that 15 isnt a FF game, when if you dickheads had been with the series for the past 20 years you would understand that there is no 'definitive' FF game

They are all different with similar recurring themes


/v/ is gonna be a fucking mess when the 7 remake comes out and you all pretend as if youve even played the original.

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>>387224591
>only $60 for 3 full games + worth of FF goodness
>ignored by most FF fans

>>387224616
But i want to see Tidus kick the bomb

>>387224292
Yes because people are constantly asking for the XV team to put stuff into the game. The MP is going to include story stuff too, and since it's set during the world of ruin it's an easier way for them to be able to create new story stuff even way down the line by having it set across the 10 years and have different stories happen in different years.

>>387224408
>KH fags still haven't killed themselves yet.

>>387224463
Look at all this autism

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Final%20Fantasy%20XV%20was%20supposed%20to%20be%20the%20emotional%20catharsis/

>>387219763
>a homophobic mess
Does that offend you?

XV was neat but needed so much more going for it than what we were given.
I like the limited party because I actually gave a shit about the other three rather than having party members i never used, it also made having guest members refreshing instead of an escort quest because they had useful abilities and made fights that bit easier.
The car was nice too.

It shouldn't have been open-word to linear story though, that was a retarded decision and whoever made it should kill themselves.

>>387224678

>In FFXIII you will be paradigm switching like a madman for optimal play which was great

u wot m8

>switch to ravager, ravager, melee dd
>stagger
>switch to melee dd, melee dd, melee dd
>win the game with an occasional switch to healer

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This is Toriyama. He's working hard as an uncredited director to make sure Nomura's Remake isn't shit. His waifu's games are dead, but her spirit lives on in his work. Say something nice to him.

>>387224736
>he once again brings up khfags out of nowhere when someone is making fun of him
Why

>>387224736
They're busy playing good games

>>387223238
The 13 cast was the worst. Lightning was cunt, she was the jealous bitch who hated any one who flirt with her sister. Hope, fuck that little bitch of a faggot. He is the perfect example of teenagers who like this game. Blame everything on the guy who gives you a way to survive, doesn't take it because of "you can't understand my feelings" attitude so his mom has to man up for him in a situation that calls for survival. Snow is an idiot, yes I can agree, but he was at least willing to keep going and work together while bitch face and cunt butt were fucking off to their own soul searching. Then you had j-pop Australian lesbo who sounded like she had an organ when she died. Sahz was alright didn't stick out as much and his kid was fucking adorable. Fang final character doesn't act like a jealous cunt as much as lightning did at the begining of the game was actually a decent character.

Playing this felt like watching Spirits Within and I don't mean that in a good way.

>>387224591
No it wasn't. Episode Prompto was better than anything FF14 has ever done.