I've seen a lot of people saying 2 is better than 3&K.

better levels. I'd argue that the only bad stage in Sonic 2 is Oil Ocean. Sonic 3&K has way too many bad stages that ruin the fun

>>387206236
Yeah like Sandopolis Zone and uhh....

>>387206448
marble garden, carnival night, mushroom hill, sandopolis, death egg

You could maybe argue that Mushroom Hill and Carnival night are okay, but the rest? No.

>>387206236
How are the levels better?

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>>387206607
In what fucking universe are Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Mushroom Hill, Sandopolis, and Death Egg bad stages???

>>387206607
I can see maybe marble garden, and sure for sandopolis, but the rest of this is the ravings of a madman

>>387206894
In the same universe that Metropolis is good.

>>387206894
>>387206939
Marble Garden and Sandopolis are objectively bad stages. A lot of waiting and stupid forced gimmicks. Carnival Night just feels like a bland attempt to recreate the fun of Casino Night and the second act drags on way too long. Mushroom Hill is just boring and nothing noteworthy, if it were removed, the game would be inherently better. Similarly, Death Egg is just boring and forgettable but it also has annoying gimmicks and an awful midboss

>>387207189
found the faggot

I prefer shorter stages, and too many levels in 3&K overstay their welcome while in 2 only Metropolis zone is a drag.

>>387206143
Sonic 2 is an overall more cohesive experience. Sonic 3&K is way too long and it overstays its welcome with stages like Marble Garden and Sandolpolis.

>>387206236
Oil Ocean is still better than Hilltop Zone

>>387206143
Better levels, doesn't drag itself out.

Also, if you want to nitpick, you don't really NEED to get all the Chaos Emeralds for story purposes if you don't want to in Sonic 2, compared to S3&K.

I prefer Sonic 3&K to 2, but everyone has their preferences.

>>387206143
I don't have to explain myself to you.

>>387206143
More coherent level design and the windup from Metropolis to the final boss is fucking perfect.

>>387206236
But I love the mushroom level, I love how the season changes. Also love that knuckles has his own thing.

>>387207206
Marble Garden is bad for entirely different reasons than the top. It's got ridiculous object placements with shit like crushers and spike balls placed right as you get up to speed. The act 2 boss is a bit dumb as Sonic and extra retarded as Tails alone, almost as dumb as the Sonic 2 Death Egg boss as Knuckles.
Sandopolis act 1 is totally fine. Sandopolis act 2 is a fairly long, somewhat annoying stage with an annoying gimmick.
Carnival Night 1 is okay, if not amazing. Carnival Night 2 should have ended where Knuckles turns the power off, and the barrel is poor design -- but other than being overlong and having the barrel, it's not a bad stage.
Mushroom Hill exists in the form it does primarily to give S&K alone an intro stage, and it's a fairly good intro stage. If S3&K was originally released as a single game, it'd probably be much earlier or a bit harder.

dunno what the fuck's wrong with Death Egg -- it's a decent stage
the mid boss is fine, the act 2 bosses are a bit dumb

>>387206739
Better built for speed than Sonic 1, doesn't get lost in meticulous exploration and mechanics like Sonic 3.

>>387208980
>waaah waahh the barrel was hard
I hate you stupid casual fucks. Complaining about the barrel is like complaining about the paintings in Mario 64

>>387206143
I guess people like a game with less levels, where half of them are bad more than a game with twice the content with a better ratio of good to bad stages!

as far as I can tell, people like S2 more because it has less platforming
it's not devoid of it, and it's still mostly a good game up until Mystic Cave
like, S1 has an awkward speed->platforming->speed->platforming->speed->platforming progression between whole three-act zones that it doesn't really ever deviate from
but almost all of S2's stages are straight speed up until like Hill Top, and then they progressively slow down
and then S3&K generally mixes platforming and speed throughout the stages, and mostly has a focus on platforming outside of like Angel Island, Hydrocity, and Mushroom Hill

Sonic 2 is more "gotta go fast" than 1 or 3 overall

>>387206236
Metropolis sucks. Acts 1 and 2 are somewhat tolerable, but act 3 is fucking shit. The enemy placement is awful throughout the zone.
Oil Ocean is a bit bleh. It's not a terrible stage, but it's not terribly good, either.
Sky Chase is boring as shit and you can really just stay in the top-right corner the whole time.
Wing Fortress has its moments of being good, and it also has its moments where you get flung off into the void without warning. It's okayish, I guess?

also, is it just me, or does the music quality in S2 fuck off after Mystic Cave
like, OOZ's theme is just okay
MZ's theme is awful
SCZ's theme is just okay
WFZ's theme is awful
DEZ's theme is a mess, but that could at least be said to be deliberate, and you hear it for almost no time at all (and the actual final boss song is cool)

>>387209715
It's not hard (shit, I never got stuck on it ever), but it is poor design. Jumping on the barrel moves it quite a lot, needlessly moving player focus away from the intended method and thus encouraging them to keep trying to jump to move it. If jumping didn't move it around, it wouldn't be an issue.
IIRC, there's another section with the same object, but you can easily get past it via jumping on it.

>>387207945
No way, at least it doesn't have retarded enemy placement and those stupid things that shoot you around. too much down time in that zone

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>>387206143
sonic 2 is where sonic first got good and and its gameplay became the standard for all 2d sonic games.
its an ideal play if you prefer speed with layered paths.

sonic 3 has better graphics with exploration being more rewarding. plus larger levels.

2 is a nice simple game, some people like the simplicity of it more.
3&K is much bigger and offers more to more skilled players.

>>387210113
>too much down time in that zone
>"Why do I have to platform in a platforming game?"
Oil Ocean is great, faggot.

>>387208238
I think it would be fair to say that both games are excellent, and it ultimately comes down to which one has more stages you enjoy.

>>387206236
fpbp

>>387206143
better music, better level design, better sprite art.

Well, I like them both but for separate reasons.
S3 had more depth in their levels as physical space vertically.
S2 just had better level design period but felt a bit cramped in comparison.

>>387206143
Music. 3&K is clearly the better game.

>>387213291
Thank you, Michael Jackson

No idea. 2 falls apart near the end, and Death Egg is the bad kind of hard.

>>387206143
it's faster which is what most people want in a Sonic game. The sense of speed isn't as apparent in 3&K because the levels are more than twice the size and much more elaborate.

>>387206143
They never played 3.
This people stuck in the past with their nostalgia feels.

>>387206236
Basically every stage past the halfway point in Sonic 2 is shit. The quality just drops off a cliff.

Because Sonic 2 is fun whereas 3&K makes me want to kill myself with its shit stages. Only ever got as far as halfway through Sandopolis before I turned it off. There was no fun to be had in that game. And revisiting Flying Battery in Mania doesn't exactly make me miss it either.

No one likes sonic 3. Think of 2 and 3 like banjo kazooie and its sequel. The first one is a cohesive experience, everything is a good size and what it needs to be. The game after just makes huge worlds and they all suck. Sonic 3 is a piece of shit

>>387206236
>the only bad stage in Sonic 2 is Oil Ocean
And Hill Top
And Mystic Cave

>>387215614
I always forget that Hill Top exists.

>>387206448
The entirety of Sonic 3.

Sonic 3 fucking sucks. Everything with 3 is either a water level or becomes a water level.
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea. I honestly hate the fact that something as great as Sonic and Knuckles always gets attached to the shit that is Sonic 3.

>>387216085
Everyone does. It's just that bland, boring, and bad.

>>387216223
>I honestly hate the fact that something as great as Sonic and Knuckles always gets attached to the shit that is Sonic 3.
They are literally two halves of a single game that was split during development. They will always be attached to one another.

The levels dont drag on forever
better music
better stage design

>>387216310
Who fucking cares.
There is 0 reason of playing "3&K" over just S&K.
Ohh wow that tiny extra portion of mushroom hill and hyper emeralds. Glad I had to go through the shit that is Sonic 3 for that.

>>387206894
Death egg is amazing

thise other stages, no

In my case is mostly nostalgia, Sonic 2 was one of my first games I ever played and couldn't play Sonic 3 at the time

Also I feel like Sonic 2 artstyle is more clean, Sonic 3 stages are more detailed but also more busy while Sonic 2 stages are more simple and clean, and I prefer the backgrounds and music of Sonic 2

As a game I find Sonic 3 better, but I prefer how Sonic 2 looks

>>387216450
>Sonic 3
>Shit
You must be trolling.
Angel Island, Hydrocity, Ice Cap are all top tier.
Marble Garden and Carnival Night are "good" tier and Launch Base is okay.

Plus the music was great.