>Mass effect 1 is the best game in the series >Spend 90%

>>387167157
Just do the main story, you fag.

>>387167157
There is shit ton of side story in the Maco you fucking imbecile.
As it turns out even the Alliance army was in bed with Cerberus and was doing experiments on Earth people with alien lifeforms.

>>387167157
>roleplay
1 > 2 > 3
>gameplay
3 > 2 >1

>>387167157
Also, the combat is shit and friendly AI is fucking inexistent

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>>387167157
shit bait, you have to out of your way to planet explore

>>387167157
better than chest-high wall shooting galleries and scanning for minerals

ME was always shit

>>387169167
This

>>387169428
I played it on hardest and if you are not incompetent you can get OP pretty easy and do the shit yourself.

>>387169730
scanning was comfy

Planet exploration was super comfy senpai

>>387167794
Why even bother, pretty much all of the world building gets thrown out of the window and amounts to a pile of shit fuck you ending anyway

>>387169167
Are you saying
>RPG mechanics aren't gameplay
Or
>ME 2/3 have ny RPG mechanics worth mentioning?
If either, Drink bleach

>>387167157
I unironically enjoyed the mako. Suck my dick, op.

>>387169730
It was shit with some great part. Take miranda for example. Shitty boring character but with a nice ass.

>>387169897
>I played it on hardest and if you are not incompetent you can get OP pretty easy
So? I didn't say it was hard, I said it was shit, as in, it's not fun. It feels more like a chore.

>>387170029
But it doesn't?

First Mass Effect wraps up quite nicely

>>387170029
>He thinks 2 and 3 should be considered at all
The mass breakdown in logic means that 2 and 3 can be completely discarded, and it can be assumed that it ended with 1, with the implication that The galaxy would take on the Reapers and win, or the Reapers would be marooned in Dark Space which, since the writers didn't seem to know, is fucking gigantic.

Seriously, who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to have a secret cabal of Reaper slaves with highly advanced technology hidden in the galactic core, and then have Sovereign completely forget about them?
Who thought having a Reaper AI in the citadel, thus making Sovereign's entire existence pointless, was a good idea?

Mass Effect died with Shepard in 2's opening.

>>387167157
I actually liked those a lot.

Except for that one green planet where the textures look like a mosaic.

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>>387169167
ME1 gameplay
>Dragon Age 1 in space

ME2 and 3 gameplay
>boring cover-shootan

I'll take 1 over 2 and 3 any day, there's no point in playing 2 and 3 when the story is weak and they've got way worse gameplay than RE4

>>387171132
Dragon Age is shit, so that's not a bad comparison

>>387167157

Mass effect 2 is the best in the series.

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>>387173862
ME2 is the harbinger for everything at Bioware that went wrong.
The evolution of every terrible gameplay decision and story writing was right there in front of us all.

>>387169931
I want to nu-anons to leave.
Scanning is literally farmville tier or worse.

ME1 > ME3 >= ME2

>>387167794
this
>hurf durf why must I complete this optional content

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mass effect 3 was the best faggots, ending notwithstanding. best gameplay, quests, feels. atmosphere wasn't as good, but who gives a fuck when you have feels, bros and hoes.

>>387174749
> mass effect 3 better or equal to mass effect 2
> calling other nu anons
you have to go back

>>387167157
>Spend 90% of the game in a fucking mako exploring
>this is bad
good going, neovee

>>387167157
>>Spend 90% of the game in a fucking mako exploring empty as fuck fields
Planetary exploration is the best part, faggot.

>>387174480

you were right if not for the fact that the story and gameplay of ME 2 are the best in the series.

>>387175441
>the story of ME 2 is the best in the series.
lmao

Mass Effect is the best game Bioware has ever made, and I'd go so far as to say that it's the only good game Bioware has ever made.

If your taste is atrocious and you can't appreciate it, that's your problem.

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>>387175441

>>387175626
KOTOR though

>>387169167

>Gameplay

3 > 2 > 1

>Gameplay where 1 has unlimited ammo

OH GUISE SORRY LOOKS LIKE STORY IS CHANGING, SOMEHOW WE DONT HAVE UNLIMITED AMMO IN 2 or 3

LOL SORRY WE BROUGHT IT BACK IN NEW MASS EFFECT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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>>387175058
>having to have DLC to even understand the start properly
>Cerberus going from Cell organisation to a galactic tier army using rapid indoctrination, a technique that explicitly turns the victims into vegetables, with military equipment that absolutely nobody seemed to notice being shipped, and Coldsteel the Cyborg Ninja
>Geth vs Quarian conflict changing from a moral quandry to the Geth being good boys who dindu nuffin' and were oppressed by the objectively evil Quarians
>Asari had Prothean technology all along, and the STG never even got a hint of it. Perhaps forgivable seeing as they did precisely fuck all with it
>reapers bothering with any battles at all instead of taking the citadel immediately and shutting down the Relays
>Moving the Citadel to Earth for absolutely no reason
>Those glorified fetch quests that didn't even have a mission attached
>Military Assets that imply an entire species is equivalent to one company
>Half the squad fucking off for no reason
>Implying this can be made up with a few admittedly decent character interactions

>>387175675
Mediocre garbage. Have you tried playing it recently? The only reason that turd gets praised is because it was babby's first RPG and for le ebin tweest.

>>387175538
>>387175669

yes

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>>387175441
>story
>ME2
>best in the series

>>387175626
BG2 exists.

>>387175842
Kek I could say the exact same thing about mass effect.

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>>387175058
>"feels"

>>387175885
BG2 is massively overrated. The writing is borderline embarrassing and combat is dated as fuck. I wouldn't say it's bad, but I wouldn't say it's really good either.

>>387175951
Not really, since Mass Effect was primarily praised for its atmosphere.

Yeah cause the scanning horseshit was such an improvement

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>The Mass Effect IP will never be sold off or used by a competent studio who want to make a good game

>>387176143
>The writing is borderline embarrassing
Wrong.
>combat is dated as fuck
Especially wrong. The breadth of choice and simplicity of implementation makes it hold up far better than Kotor's bland combat, and ME1's irritating grind until you learn to abuse the powers.

>>387175810
>Geth vs Quarian conflict changing
It was pretty one sided from the first time it's brought up in ME1

>>387175810
Most of your points are good but to be fair on a couple:

>geth Quarian issue
It was always implied from game 1 that the Quarians didn't even take time to consider that the Geth might now be considered a sentient species and that they absolutely attacked them without mercy first forcing the geth to defend themselves. This was always implied.

>reapers and the citadel
If you remember, that was their entire game plan in game 1 which we promptly destroyed. They really never had to deal with any other kind of fight as far as we know.

Also, if you remember from 2, they come out from the bottom right of the galaxy which is why we nuke the Batarians. No where near the citadel. There was no way they were going to bulldoze through an entire galaxy's army and just take over the citadel without getting fucked. That game plan died with Saren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcrDWAuyqtc

>>387176486
Not really. You can certainly call her out for the slavery aspect, but it's also balanced out by the resulting mass Genocide and continued hostility.
ME2 made it even more interesting by introducing factions on both sides that acknowledged their faults and wanted to reconcile.
ME3 threw it all out the window by just focusing entirely on the Quarians being dicks for no reason, outside of Korris and Tali, massively exaggerated the Geth's victimhood and sidelined the genocide almost completely.

You thought playing a gayoware game was a good idea? just kys, mostly liberal literal faggots on this board, so don't listen to anything if you're not one

>>387176637
>If you remember, that was their entire game plan in game 1 which we promptly destroyed
One reaper tried it, and nearly solo'd the entire fleet to succeed. Nothing indicates that the system of the citadel was changed to prevent the signal Sovereign was going to use.

>There was no way they were going to bulldoze through an entire galaxy's army and just take over the citadel without getting fucked
Why not? They were already taking on the galaxy and winning. If they take one installation, the rest of the galaxy is cut off entirely, meaning the war is instantly won.

>>387176696
>mass genocide

What? They literally drive off the quarians and it's explicitly stated at some point that they had all the power in the world to completely wipe out the Quarians and chose to let them go so they could live in peace and they never once leave the veil until they get corrupted by Reapers and even then only a portion.

The quarians were always dicks for no reason. 2 out of 5 admirals wanted to kill them all just because and a third wanted to re-enslave them. 3 was just the culmination of their retardation that was set from game 1.

At the time of its release it was quite something, no indication of how shitty its sequels would be, only a promising future.

>>387176919
>nearly solo'd the fleet

Why does everyone always seem to forget that sovereign had a MASSIVE Geth fleet with him and he would have been completely anally destroyed if he went in solo?

>Why not?

Obviously you've never been in a war. Citadel would be the easiest to defend because it's a single point with little need for ground troops. Reapers would have gotten absolutely fucked if they piled up in one area for the entire galaxy to focus on them. They aren't gods and there's a reason they use subversion to wipe out species.

>>387167157
This. It's one of the few games I couldn't finish solely because of how bad it plays. All it solidified is that most of the people here have shit taste. ME2 is objectively the best in the series. Then it's ME3's MP.

But we'll bang ok?

>>387177113
>Why does everyone always seem to forget that sovereign had a MASSIVE Geth fleet with him and he would have been completely anally destroyed if he went in solo?
Because he completely shits on everything that attacks him until Saren gets killed?

>Obviously you've never been in a war. Citadel would be the easiest to defend because it's a single point with little need for ground troops. Reapers would have gotten absolutely fucked if they piled up in one area for the entire galaxy to focus on them. They aren't gods and there's a reason they use subversion to wipe out species.
Do you not remember how utterly the Reapers outclass any ME Spacecraft? They win literally every fight on every space front in ME3 until the end, and even then the refuse ending has them winning. If they gathered in one place, they would utterly annihilate all opposition.

This is all ignoring the fact that until they hit Earth, the rest of the galaxy hadn't even mobilised. Had they headed straight for the citadel, they would have caught everyone completely off guard.
They had literally no reason not to go straight there.

>>387169167
>guns use ammuition
>shared cooldowns
>grenades are an ability
>weapon mods are an ability
>biotics don't work on shielded/armored targets
>squadmember commands reduced to go there / attack that
>squadmembers have less abilities

ME1 also has the best gameplay

>>387177634
>biotics major nerf

This was the biggest bullshit. They made biotics completely fucking useless.

In fact, they raped anything that seemed good or useful when 3 came around.

>>387175761
I love their explanation too
>ammo is unlimited but see, it heats up a heat sink which you have to eject and cannot reuse and also it does not cool down on its own no matter how long you wait despite the ME1 guns cooling down in like 5 seconds and somehow it is still a better system
What the fuck were they smoking

>>387177884
>Unlimited Ammo is any General's Wet dream
>Let's switch to Thermal Clips that hold absolutely tiny charges Lmao

>>387171132
There is nothing in common between RE4 and ME2/3. If you're implying either has bad gameplay, you just suck at it and have no standards

>>387176696
The manufacture of AIs was outlawed because they kept having lethal arguments with their creators, due to them being sentient beings with self-preservation instincts.

The Quarians ended up making a bunch of Not-AIs with their abuse of legal loopholes. The Not-AIs became self aware, reached out for some guidance from their creators and were met with the prospect of extinction. The Quarians were entirely at fault for trying to skirt the law, not realizing that the way their own creations function could lead to big trouble if they weren't careful, making enough of the autonomous robot bodies to field an army and not putting in any sort of killswitch to deactivate them all at once just in case they ever went rogue. Oh, and going straight to "kill them all" instead of maybe just talking to their creations first.

>>387175441
>kill MC in the first few minutes and resurrect him/her immediately afterwards
>Cerberus improves from a special ops/terrorist group to a galactic superpower
>Shepard is find with being brought back from the dead
>Shepard can only turn on Cerberus at the end
>daddy issues
>no real goal once you find out that the Collectors are behind the attacks
>no real reason to get most of your companions
>Reaper baby
>Harbinger

Oh yes, ME2 is the pinnacle of story writing.

>>387178292
>Sentient Races recognise the inherent dangers of AI and apply stringent rules to their creation
It becomes clearer with every post that the writers of ME3 didn't even play the first fucking game.
This single fact shows that Strabrat's entire argument is inherently flawed, since any civilisation that outlawed AI would never be in the position of weakness to it that Starbrat's scenario requires.

>>387178528
At least it introduced Mordin.

>>387178127
>the Geth use Thermal Clips
>2 years later everyone in the galaxy is using Thermal Clips
>every species, military, mercenary and pirate group agreed to completely rearm and retrain
>every weapons manufacturer agreed to replace their entire stock and create a universal design
>millions upon millions of Thermal Clips are made and shipped out all over the galaxy
>in two years

>>387178827
My favourite one is
>A crew stranded for 8 years before their invention has access to them

>>387178707
He deserved a better game, though

ive started mass effect like 30 fucking times but i never get past the first mission when you have to rescue that girl or whatever the fuck it was when you go down to a planet or something. so fucking boring.

>>387177884
>>387178127
Thermal clips should've held more ammunition than they actually did to justify the change for sustained fire and adding a huge logistics issue rather than "Welp, the Geth and their robot reflexes almost instantly reload guns without any downtime. Organics should too, right?"

>>387179201
You're not a real man until you kill that Battlemaster as an Infiltrator that rushed the main story.

>>387178827
>thermal clips are universal
>run out of assault rifle clips? just use your pistol because it somehow has ammo
they should at least follow their stupid lore if they're going to use it as an excuse to have ammo

>>387179064
And a whole complement of robot guards only built after Sovereign's attack

>>387179201
That says more about you than the game though

Space gypsies or not, actual organic life > robots.
Anyone who saved the geth over the quarians should be immediately identified and shot in case we ever have rogue AI's try and fuck us over.

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>>387179695
Are you sure you're not just saying that because you're a Talifag?

Because I sure am

>>387179695
>not saving both
The fuck are you doing?

>>387179695
Not really. The Quarians were fucking stupid.If you had to pick one, Geth were much more civilized, advanced, and likely to benefit the universe.

>>387179756
Nah, I was more Liara. The entire series is about how fucking evil in-organic life is, and instead they make the geth into fucking dindus.

>>387177634
>best gameplay
It was boring as fuck, feel like a damn chore.

>>387179860
It was a real problem in ME3 that they gave you so many get out of consequence free cards

>>387178165
>There is nothing in common between RE4 and ME2/3.
both are third person shooters, what do you mean there's nothing in common between these games?

>If you're implying either has bad gameplay, you just suck at it and have no standards
>hide behind cover
>shoot and spam the GCD ability of choice until you lost some health
>wait a bit behind the invincible cover
>repeat until enemies are dead
>all this behind conveniently placed cover in the uninspired corridors you move throughout the entire game

I'd like to see you try defending this shit

>>387179695
All life a shit, it doesn't matter what it's made from

The Geth, at least, are significantly better than the Krogan and Rachni

>>387179906
>and instead they make the geth into fucking dindus.

This seems to escape a lot of mass effect fans

The geth sided with the reapers twice on separate occasions using the typical muslim apologist argument of "w-we were just defending ourselves, h-honest, now time for jihad"

>>387171132
>ME1 gameplay
>Dragon Age 1 in space
They have similarities but if anything Dragon Age is just medieval Mass Effect, or at least medieval KotOR.

>>387170029
>He plays game only for the ending and not the journey

>>387180674
If you have a nice walk and get hit by a car at the end of it, which part do you think you'll look back on whenever you feel like taking that route again?

>>387180169
>The geth sided with the reapers twice on separate occasions
I completely forgot this part too. Geth are the worst mother fuckers in the series. As a human trying to decide who to save, would you go save the ones who hate artificial life forms, or the group of assholes that could potentially betray you since they have a history of fucking WORSHIPING the guys raping your home planet?

>>387180169
Except the first time the Geth sided with the Reapers it was part of an exchange, assisting Sovereign in return for whatever bullshit he promised them

>>387179965
Because the mindless shooter approach of ME2+3 was really exciting

>>387179976
The problem is that Tali felt like the only real consquence if you let the Quarians die and even she was optional after the suicide mission. Everything else only boiled down to different EMS scores

>>387180940
I just hated the fact that, in a game claiming to care about your choices, pretty much every big decision, aside from the genophage arc, had an inbuilt way for you to get the best of both worlds with barely any effort.
It shot the knees out from under the "have to do anything to survive" theme they were going for.

>>387180805
>the galaxy is being invaded
>everyone is dying
>galactic extinction is a real possibility
>"nah lets go take back our homeworld nothing bad could possibly happen"

I don't really want the Quarians hanging around, they continually make the most retarded decisions

>>387167157
Yea idk what the fuck they were smoking when they designed the mako shit

>get on ark to andromeda
>travel for 600 years in cryosleep
>wake up
>you have one unread message(s)
>"lol some guy BTFO the reapers, come back u queers"

1 > 2 > 3

We all know it's true.
Anyone that thinks it's different is a fucking retard with shit taste

>>387169167
>planet scanning
no thanks

>>387182539
Andromeda makes more sense of you assume it to be a very costly way of getting rid of all the retards in the galaxy.

>>387183326
Then it's just a ripoff of Hitchhiker's Guide

>>387167157
The only good thing about Andromeda was the return of the Mako, and even then they fucked that up.

>>387182539
They left before reapers showed up and people still thought Shepard was crazy for thinking they're real.

Andromeda < 1 < 2 < 3

>>387183381
There's worse things to rip off, m8.
Alternately, it could be seen as a tech test, but with the added bonus of removing the retards.

>>387183671
this is the double down equivalent of a shit sandwich, instead of bread it's two pieces of shit on the outside

>>387183557
People thought he was crazy well into the third game too, no one in that universe gave a shit until there was literally reaper beams melting them down.

Both sequels sucked