Vega 56 and 64 reviews dropping in 5 minutes, get in here bo

Can't wait for miners to snag all of them

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>>387135068
miners are basement dwelling dwarf players

If you can't financially compete with people like that you're doing something wrong in life.

>Vega 56 either handily beating or tying with 1070
>Vega 64 slightly behind 1080
eh, it's about what was expected

The reviews are out.
Spoiler: the results are those we've been expecting for months.

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>16 months
>power consumption of a small country

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>>387133976
prices are super inflated here in norway // and sweden.

it's a massive flop, lmao

>>387135068
1080ti is cheaper and does better job

Even the reviews are disappointing.

>>387135817
>1080ti is cheaper and does better job
MSRP of a 1080ti is $700, Vega 64 has a $500 MSRP.

>>387135992
>i don't know how the market works lamo

>>387135992
MSRP isn't applicable, try again retard.

That's "suggested retail" price set by AMD/NVIDIA, spoiler for you, profit margin is too low to set it to that.

Price for RX 64 already proven to be price gouged way hard, because of retarded retailers comparing it to Rx Vega Frontier edition

They think of the anology of RX 64 and RX vega Frontier to be same as Titan XP and 1080ti.

>>387135817
Miners don't buy high end cards too much initial investment and mid range cards are better for them because of lower power consumption.

>>387135260
over 5k a coin. Your talking about dudes that never leave a house, you will never buy shit online faster than them

>>387136097
>rx 64
>lower power consumption
>better invesment

u made a funny one on purpse now didn't you

>>387135817
Weird. Here in finland, the prices haven't changed at all. Gtx 970 is still 350€ like it was 2 years ago when I bought it.

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RIP

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You want to overclock?
AMD says no.

>>387136161
i was referencing the new rx 64 card, not in general.

>>387136095
The retail price of cards is generally pretty close to the MSRP of it, right now I can buy 1080ti for only $20 more than the MSRP which isn't unreasonable considering it has an aftermarket cooler. If you actually believe Vega 64 is going to cost more at retail you're retarded.

>Cost same as 1080
>About same perfromance
>Douple the power consuption
Ahahahahahahahahahhah

>>387133976
wew thank goodness I bought my 1080 at $400 USD a few months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PftkOaKfik

Well this is underwhelming

>>387136149
I said nothing about the 64 i was specifically referring to why the 580/480/1060 and such were selling so much miners. Miners will not want anything like the 64 or a 1080.

>>387136230
how the fuck? does that game just super love HBM2 or something? it should be a couple frames above 1070 like with most games

>>387136656
I ain't buying it until I see it with my own eyes. Not like it's relevant, all of the other games would still perform the same, but it will be interesting to see why exactly 56 is winning so much in Dirt 4.

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Nooo, it wasn't supposed to be this way bros

>>387136830
We expected 56 to be a 1070 competitor. Considering that Nvidia is probably going to unveil new cards within the next half a year buying a 1070 or 56 is questionable investment right now, unless you're absolutely sure about its perfomance.

AMD won't be taken seriously until it stops limping a year behind.
It's good that now there is an alternative at all to Nvidia at the high end, but Volta is going to drop soon and make Vega irrelevant.
Hopefully AMD will inject Ryzen money in its GPU R&D department for Navi.

>>387136932
i just sold my 1060

and i'm disappointed right now.

considering riding the wave and not having a gpu for 5 months

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Can AMD even compete?

>>387137093
unless you were going top-tier why would you choose now to buy a gpu? absolute worst timing

>>387136830
>Releases GPU that's 15 frames at best better than a year old architecture
>Volta just around the corner
>Coffee Lake just around the corner set to BTFO Ryzen
>J-JUST WAIT FOR RYZEN/VEGA (insert next architecture here)
>Repeat this cycle forever
AMD can never win huh? I mean its nice they are actually competitive with vega/ryzen but its a fucking year too late.

>>387137210
>no Radeon HD8990
Shoo, Nvidia shill! Shoo!

>>387137319
Leaked Coffee Lake benchmarks shown it to be worse than Kaby Lake in single threaded performance.

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>>387137210

>>387137229
cuz i made back 65% of my investment into the 1060 and had it for over a year and constantly used it.

It was strategic on my end because i know the secondhand users buy when new cards get announced.

i listed it early and snagged a buyer

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Going to post caps from the last few seconds of each game in the 1440p DF video. Overall Vega 56 sits about half way in between the 1070 and 1080 in newer titles but really chokes hard in older titles.

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>>387136230
Wow that min fps is destroying Nvidia.

>>387137210
Vega 64 confirmed worse than the rx 580. AYYMD IS REGRESSING.

>>387137412
>Overall Vega 56 sits about half way in between the 1070 and 1080 in newer titles but really chokes hard in older titles.
Yeah those age like fine wine drivers amirite :^)

>>387133976

Give me a reaso why I should buy any ofthose cards if I already have RX480, given that prices will be inflated to the cosmos and performance difference wont be that great compared to the price.

Go ahead.

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>>387137510
>Over 1 year wait after Pascal
>For an entire 4 FPS

>>387137365
>no 9900 GTX
AMD's better anyway.

>>387137502
RX480 can't do anything above 1080p. It's a good card, probably better than 1060, but you can't compare it with 1070.

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>>387137510
Really scraped the heels of the 1080 in cowadoody, actually spent a decent amount of the video ahead of the 1080 but falls short in the end.

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>>387137612
Barely any gain over the 1070 here.

>>387137589

Not a problem since I have 1680x1050 monitor.

It was expensive card anyway, costing nearly my whole monthly income. I was saving for new PC for two years in fact.

>>387137502
if you're doing 1080p60 there's no need for you to switch really. For 1440p or 1080p75+ you'd really want to step up.

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>barely stronger than a 1070
>consumes a shit-load more power

>b-b-b-b-but it's only a year late and it's cheaper!!!
AMD fags, everyone

>>387137589
But it can. Yes, you'll have to lower graphics settings in newer games but it'll work just fine in 1440p.
It runs shit like Dragon's Dogma maxed out in 4K easy too.

>>387137735
They were always retarded.

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>>387137685
Same story in Tomb Raider

wait for nvidia to release their new lineup SOON with HBM2 and its all over for AMD lads.

Anyone who was expecting a revolution after seeing that DOOM demo is delusional.

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>>387137829
How underwhelming, and then add miners into the mix and its the classic "AYYMD FINISHED AND BANKRUPT" scenario. Nobody is gonna get these things for $400 and even if they did it doesn't look like a compelling offer at all. Better hope people fall for that $500 bundle.

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>using an overclocked i5 2500k and Sapphire R9 290X right now but want to do a complete system overhaul at Christmas

So it's safe to say it's Team Red for a CPU and Team Green with a GPU? Was gonna go for Ryzen and a 1080

I think you guys are to young to realize that AMD itself doesn't produce/engineer their graphic cards, they bought ATI and those shitters do what they did their whole life: release shitty GPUs

GPUs = Nvidia
Processor = AMD(Ryzen)

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>>387137973
If only people actually played Ashes this might matter somewhat.

>>387138001
Depends on your performance target. If you're going for 60fps then Ryzen I'd say is the better value, 144hz Intel all the way. Look at the Vega bundles though, you actually get a lot for your money with that.

Not even sure if it's a good idea to buy an of those GPUs before they release a rebrand with various bugfixes next year. In my experience the first version of AMD chips is always severely flawed and ridden with bugs.
I'm also sceptical on the pricing situation. HBM2 being incredibly expensive drives up the price unnecessarily and doesn't net a whole lot of performance in return, particularly as the promised clock rates can't be reached.
I'm not desperate for a GPU right now but Vega isn't doing it for me so far - nVidia can just drop price for their 1 year old products and compete again.

>>387138164
I have a 144hz monitor but also have a 4k TV for couch PC gaming and my PS4 Pro, so I'd want to target both ideally. I wouldn't mind having to turn down a few settings to hit 4k 60FPS

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>>387138164
HOLY SHIT AMD WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!

>>387138167
Yeah, at this dollar:frame ratio AMD ain't turning any heads.

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I still can't fucking order the card, and it's being marked $100 above msrp
Well here's to more (((((waiting)))))™

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>>387137210
it shouldn't have taken me that long to understand

>56 beats 1070 in most games
>Don't have to pay the $200 goysync tax for a monitor
AMD won.

>>387138286
>4k 60fps
>on a 1080

lmao, I have a 1080 ti and 4k 60fps is far a few between

>>387138548
This. Vega + FreeSync is much cheaper than Pascal + Gsync
Unfortunately that's the only scenario where Vega is truly viable.

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>nvidia chinkman walks onto stage
>VOLTA with half the power consumption of VEGA cards
>crowd gives standing ovation

AMDs days are numbered

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>>387138298
Last game in the benchmark, again a big fail for Vega. Assassin's Creed Unity ain't all that surprising, that shit is an optimization nightmare, but come on man.

Overall Vega 56 is underwhelming as fuck, only the miners will care for this really.

>>387138286
If you care about 144Hz and already have the monitor you may as well go intel+nvidia. The Vega bundle I was talking about was:

>$ = Vega Card + $100 (EG: $500 for Vega 56 bundle as opposed to Vega 56 for $400)
>Your Vega Card
>2 >Bethesda games (Prey and Wolfenstein II)
>$100 off of a Ryzen 7 and AM4 mobo combo
>$200 off of a Samsung 144hz Freesync monitor
Since you already have the 144hz monitor I don't think you'd particularly care about it though. If you do care search "Radeon Packs" on google though and you'll find more.

>>387133976
>I guess it's a pretty effective space heater. Maybe they want to discourage crypto mining by using more power to make it unprofitable.
That's a pretty accurate description

>>387138661
Thanks bro, I'll look into it

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>>387138787
actually fuck it i'll spoonfeed you a bit more
http://www.anandtech com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-amd-announecs-499-rx-vega-64-399-rx-vega-56-launching-in-august/2

but really idk if the vega cards will hold up for 4k or if ryzen will hold up for 144hz, you might not hit either target

>>387138001
It's a complex subject and ends in lots of memeposting. What you have to realize is that most games on the market right now still hinge on core clock (means single-thread performance) which gives Intel a slight advantage. Ryzen would pull ahead in any real-world scenario in which you run a game and a few dozen applications on the side (music, voice chat, browser, monitoring tools, maybe recording/streaming software, antivirus and all the other minor crap) and don't want to have frame drops from the CPU choking during intense moments in the game.
I'd personally go with the Ryzen in hopes games are multithreading better over the coming years to future-proof but that's a touchy subject as you essentially gamble with hopes and dreams. If you go with a 4-core Intel CPU for maximum current and old gen performance but future titles all use up to 8 cores (keep in mind the console generation is about to cylce so it's likely 4-core optimization is on the way out), you can benefit. If you do any computation intense work on the computer when not playing games the Ryzen is the better choice, too.
Just keep in mind that a not-overclocked Ryzen is going to suck big time compared to a not-overclocked Intel as the 4-core Intel CPUs reach higher boost clocks than the 8-core Ryzens do.

In terms of GPU I advise to avoid the 1080 for cost/performance reasons. The 1080ti is fine if you need max performance for high-FPS gaming or higher resolutions and the 1070 is fine for anything else but the 1080 has awful cost/performance ratio. You should look at actual benchmarks and see if the 1080 runs any game that a 1070 would not run equally well - usually there are only 1-2 titles you might want to play. Always compare minimum fps, not maximum.
You can also wait until the AMD custom models come out over the next months. Perhaps a Vega 56 is a cheaper alternative to a 1070.

>>387138891
So basically paying $100 more to get a $100 (free motherboard) discount buying an AMD CPU.

>>387139982
In the end, kind of yeah. The monitor is a horrendous purchase considering that the whole point of Freesync is monitors below $400. Wolfenstein II and Prey I think are a fair value. But unless you can sell the code for that monitor to make an extra $20 it's kind of a dead weight.

>>387136235

Undervolt, then clock higher. GamerNexus already proved that doing this makes the card run better. I have to wonder how many reviewers just added voltage to the GPU and tried to clock higher.

I want a 56 so badly. Super good upgrade from my R9 290

>>387133976
I used to have a 295 with about the same power consumption as Vega. Replaced it with a 1070 last year and was enjoying cool and quiet since. I'm never buying a space heater GPU again.

lock bios is gay

The power efficiency of vega cards is abysmal.
House fire in the making.
Vega64 can't even beat a 1080FE
Overall it's a failure for AMD.

Hmm. It seems part of my world will not get a "pack" so I can buy the GPU alone. Wait.. so I can scalp this? I assume the packs are mandatory right?

>>387138979
Good post. Well I'm not shelling out until Christmas anyway so I'll wait and see how the non-reference Vegas look since they should be out by then

>>387135068
they are not going to be interested as its 400w draw and HBM is low frequency, high bus

>>387135068
this, it doesn't even fucking matter at this point what gpu comes out as long as there's a neckbeard that's waiting to buy them all up

>>387135068
>>387135260
>>387145853
>>387146059
Can someone explain crypto miners to me? Is it really profitable or is it just a meme. I really don't see how mining could net you a significant income, especially to justify the extremely tedious process.

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>>387146819
Probably not very profitable. Unless you've free electricity or going to invest a lot money in the hardware.

There's calculators that you can use to calculate estimated profits.