Can we curate a list of games that pose the least risk to

>>387124327
Oblivion with prostitution mods.

post template you fucking fag

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>>387124361
Bethesda games pose a great risk to the hippocampus with their quest marker arrows.

>>387124381
Give me a second, jeez.

For the uninformed brainlets:
http://fortune.com/2017/08/07/video-game-effects-on-brain-study/
https://archive.is/Jr3O5

>Researchers found that 85% of gamers rely on their caudate nucleus (also known as "response learners") more than their hippocampus (spatial learners) while navigating action video games. This adversely affects the hippocampus because as the amount of grey matter increases in the caudate nucleus, it decreases in the hippocampus. Meanwhile, playing the 3D Super Mario games for 90 hours resulted in increased grey matter in the hippocampus for all the participants, according to the study.

>To counter potential long-lasting damage, the study authors suggest that response learners would benefit from strategies that target spatial learning. For example, video game designers could alter modern action games by removing in-system navigational tools. This would allow the gamer to get around using landmarks included in the world of the game, which can strengthen spatial learning.

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>>387124579
>Fast-travel and shitty levels are literally destroying the human mind

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Just say no to casual games /v/

>>387124579
I hope faggots deliver this news to devs on twitter.

>>387124579
Where's the link to the paper?

>>387124659
switch skyrim and witcher

>>387124579
fuck is this why I can't remember what I said seconds ago but can remember spawn locations and landmarks in an rpg?

What are some games where you have to navigate without a map?

>>387124579
Explain this to me in laymans terms, my hippowhatchamacallit is already too far gone

>>387124802
Skyrim is a pretty shit game, but I'd argue that W3 is more casual than Skyrim. All you do is follow your batman vision, you don't even need to read quest dialog ever.

>>387124645
Also stuff like Witcher 3 style minimap GPS and CoD-like linear level design. The hippcoampus actually atrophies from prolonged exposure to games with these features.

>>387124802
I think Witcher 3 might be one of the most harmful games to your hippocampus because it's designed around using auto-navigation.
If you turned all assistance off you wouldn't be able to progress unless you happened upon the next quest trigger because you're often not told where to go next by any in-game means and also there's always a dotted line to take you to your next location, Skyrim is less harmful because the quest arrow still requires paying attention to and navigating around in game surrounds.

>>387124898
Hippo

Campus

Hippo, as in hippopotamus, the animal. Campus, as in the place you live when you study at uni.


Hippo.

Campus.

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>>387124862
I know some levels in Thief 1 & 2 had vague maps at times, with some of the later levels just being images showing landmarks you can find.
Like here with such glorious direction as "Inside?"

>>387124898
Your hippocampus will wither away like a cripples legs from lack of use if you play games that don't make you think about navigating the environment. Examples include extremely linear corridor level design as found in the Call of Duty series and RPGs which let you fast travel or follow arrows/dotted lines to the next quest location.

>>387124579
>ubishit causes dementia

lel

>>387124898
The smaller your hippocampus, the harder your sanity will be lost when you approach old age. Games with arrows on your compass that direct you to your objectives make your hippocampus smaller.

>>387125010
The Dark Souls series.

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Haven't tried the rest, just played a little of CK1 but I dropped it because there wasn't an early middle ages start.

>>387125034
Aw man. I'm shit at navigating in real live. I don't know where anything is, spacially.

>>387125093
Where does EU2 fall into this?

>>387124579
This was debunked the first time you posted it, but at least you learned that posting the actual paper would get you BTFO faster.

>mfw I've been playing botw without the hud since I got the switch
>finding new areas I've never been to before
>growing my brain as I enjoy the game

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>>387124579
>Funding provided by Nintendo of America™
It's understandable that the lack of memorization and pattern-finding in modern games would cause the brain to prioritize everything but.
It isn't reasonable to assume that there's a direct correlation to the absence of pattern-finding and the degeneration of the part of the brain dedicated to it. For instance, "Is the brain responding in this manner due to the lack of spatial learning exercise, or is it responding to the stress?"
Secondly, the studies themselves have not published mention of people with larger hippocampal surface-area PREFERRING TO PLAY one game to another. Were the groups of people delegated to one game only? Were the groups set against a negative? Did they all play in the same manner? Did they have experience with these types of games before? Why the fuck did we spend grant money that could go to cancer research that instead goes to giving 100 people MRIs twice for the sake of videogames?

>>387124579
>thinking alters your brain's physiology.

0/10

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>>387125010

>>387125163
>2017
>playing eu2

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>>387125204
>mfw brainlets get defensive

>>387125198
>cancer research

eat broccoli. there's your cure.

>>387125163
I think on second normal, I played a little, really loved the historical events.
But I think EU3 is overall a better game for alternate history.

>>387125204
But it does anon. Chemical/electrical signals are constantly changing and molding your brain, changing the physiological structure of every neuron atom by atom in order to preserve memories.

>>387124327
So there was actually research done on this that found the worst games were ones like CoD, other FPS and action games that caused grey matter shrinkage. Games such as Mario and other platformers caused growth. I imagine Metroidvanias would be positive too. The theory was that action games were reaction based and all the thinking had been done for you. You are constantly having to construct paths and navigate difficult spaces in platformers which helps growth. I'm sure some fucker can find source if you want it.

>>387124645
>tfw I never fast travel because it makes the game stale and boring unless I absolutely need to
>tfw I always disable objective makers if the game allows it

feels good

>Thought one person was just posting the same shrinking hippocampus picture again and again
>Never noticed the game titles under each of the brains until just now

My hippocampus is fine.
The rest of my brain is in trouble.

>>387125208
SC may have better stealth mechanics but even CT levels are way more linear than typical MGS levels, particularly MGS2's hub style design.

>>387125198
It's pretty much always a red flag whenever an article is posted saying "Researchers have discovered X" without linking to the journal in question, which could be the swahilian journal of fish genetics for all anyone knows, or maybe they did their study with a massive cohort consisting of 4 handy undergraduates

>>387125325
if the game world is huge I'm not backtracking. being able to warp to an exact spot sucks though.

>>387125325
You still use maps, though.

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>haha guys dont play video games its harming your brain!
>meanwhile eats utter shit like dew, doritos and energy drinks

>>387125481
The brain runs on glucose, dumbass. Those things are brain fuel.

>>387125280
EU2 feels more casual than 3 because there is less penalty for blobbing and your only true enemy is inflation that makes you wage war of aggression on whole Europe to not get poor.

>>387125441
True but there's nothing wrong with using a map if there's a fork in the road

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>First and foremost, the press release does not accurately reflect the results of the study. The hypotheses tested do not relate to harm and the paper does not provide evidence that 90 hours of play, the 'treatment', leads to harm. Thus the interpretation of harm, although attention-grabbing, was not peer reviewed and appears to have been introduced afterwards. This framing is a worrying over-reach that could mislead readers.

>Second, the studies lack the statistical power needed to demonstrate a reliable effect. In this paper the experimental studies have only 43 and 31 participants. This means real results are unlikely to be found and statistical noise will look like a meaningful trend to overly optimistic researchers. Our research (https://osf.io/x634c/ ) suggests this experiment, like many others examining media effects, are similarly fatally flawed. Extrapolating from small-scale and noisy studies like these is extremely problematic.

>Third, the studies lack sufficient detail to conclude they have been rigorously done. Though we know that participants were 'semi-randomly' assigned to play different kinds of games (so-called 'action' vs. '3-d' platform games), these are not natural categories and it is not clear which games were played and how much. Because this detail is lacking we have no idea what specific features of play might drive the effect the researchers are claiming to have demonstrated. This undermines the value of the research because it is impossible to know if the 'media diet' the authors describe is representative of what video game players do in the wild.

>The methods and hypotheses of the study were not registered in advance of data collection. Studies like this do not replicate well when held to a higher standard of evidence. This is not the first time this research group has drawn conclusions that go well beyond their evidence and readers would be wise to take the present claims with a generous helping of salt.

>>387125519
Enjoy your kidney stones and heart damage.

>>387125416
But think about how you navigate space in Splinter Cell games, you have the map layout but on top of that you have factors on how the light lays on the map, what level geometry provides safe pathing to the next area, what surfaces produce more sound. It's not just the layout of the level, but the amount of consideration that goes in to navigation.
Thief might be one of the best games for your hippocampus in this regard, maps are often incomplete, the level layouts are complex but usually make sense in context of the area you're exploring, 3 carpets in a row down a tile corridor can be jumped to like platforms to avoid the loud carrying footsteps of boot on marble (sound funnels down corridors in quite a realistic fashion). There's also your equipment that can create soft moss patches to help navigate, water arrows to make new areas of shadow etc. The navigation of any given area in Thief 1 is a marvel in navigation complexity.

>>387125559
Can you show me a study on this study on studies? I'll need 30 or so to form consensus.

>>387125624
You mean liver damage, dumb dumb.

Can we stop debating the credibility of this study and just post triggering iterations of OP's image to insult each others treasured games series?

>>387125540
Yeah, I wouldn't know though, played a little of France and I ate some provinces here and there before dropping it. Really couldn't stand the UI.

>>387124645
ty spaghetti anime.
you put smile on face.

>A woman lives 49 years of extremely healthy lifestyle with absolutely no vices, no prolonged stress and really good childhood, reasonably good adulthood.
>Dies because I didn't reply to that post.

I have honestly completely given up on even the pretense of being healthy. I don't even assert that there's no point in being healthy, I just assume life has my card marked so I'm going to really fucking enjoy what is left before my progeny forgets to reply to a post on 4chan.

>>387125693
Heart as well.

>>387124579
>modern games are so bad they literally deteriorate the mind
>playing a variety of good older games in different genres makes you smarter
This explains why I'm to smart.

>>387124645
Wait does that mean GPS causes that disease where you forget the thing that is the exact opposite of nothing.

>>387124645
Does that mean GPS causes

>>387125927
Anon, your hippocampus is flatlining. You need 10cc's of Dwarf Fortress, stat.

>>387126007
Anon his hippocampus will get stretch marks if you overexert it like that. Other craniacs will jeer and laugh at him and make him wear too-tight poker visors so that his brainfat pokes out and makes a macguffintop.

>>387125927
Yes using the GPS kills you're brain.

>>387125093
What abiut Darkest Hour?

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>>387126114
>craniacs

>>387125927
Anon is literally outside right now arguing with the postman because he's forgotten what GPS means , and that they employ black people now

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>>387126007
isnt DF just one big minimap though?

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>>387126213

>>387126213
Absolutely, much in the same way the cockpit of a large commercial airliner is essentially just one big desk.

>>387126193
See "DH".
I thought of putting it on first normal. While I love DH's politic mechanics, I think HoI3 war mechanics are more autistic.

>>387126275
Pilots rely on having GPS and a bunch of instruments to tell them where they are going, they must have shrunken hippocampus' too

Is there really anyway to actually improve your memory or is it all placebo nonsense?

>>387126213
It's not as simple as having a map or not, my dear brainlet, you have to think about all factors that give the hippocampus a workout, see >>387125638

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>>387126114
>Craniacs

Finally, a term fit for the patrician encephalitic

>>387126376
nootropics; pharmaceutical ones not herbal snake oil shit

>>387126375
There's an old pilot joke about cockpit automation that says the ideal flight crew is a pilot and a dog. The pilot is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything.

>>387125426
This tho.

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Overwatch has no minimap or navigational tools aside from objective placement indicators. Is Overwatch a thinking man's game?

what about dungeon crawlers?

>>387126375
Anon have you seriously never heard a captain on the intercom? It's why they all universally do this:

>Errrr this is the errr *checks badge* captain here errrr *checks flight plan* errr we're right above errr *remembers what a city actually is* Chicago right now and we'll errrrrrr *co pilot is literally puppeteering him through a partial siezeure at this point* errrrrr be there in errr etc etc.

>>387126430
Sounds like an oxymoron.
What are these "pharmaceutical nootropics"

>>387126492
>tfw can never remember the map when playing binding of isaac
I'm pretty bad

>>387126512
Pills you can't take in sub-saharan Africa.

>>387126467
The game is a multiplayer FPS, its the definition of repetition and will certainly shrink the brain balls.

>>387126467
Overwatch maps are essentially a main corridor from one teams spawn to the other with lanes either side. This is quite a low level of complexity and most likely a below average stimuli for the hippocampus.

>>387126498
You stole that joke from family guy.

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>>387124579
Oh shit

>>387126512
modafinil
piracetam
and their various derivatives

>>387126601
and they stole it from the simpsons

>>387125204
it just means your brain starts to rely on external memory

>>387126601
>>387126631

I'm reasonably sure the first time there was a passenger on a plane and it was so required that the pilot inform the passenger of the current status of the flight that this joke came to be.

>>387125198
we know what causes cancer anon, carcinogens. the majority of which come from meat and dairy products lul

My brain was already fucked when i was 3 yo.
Brain infection gave me permanent damage.
Gaming can only unfuck it to be honest.

>tfw you refuse to play casual shit with quest markers and all that bullshit

literally hippocampus masterrace

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>>387126596
>>387126579

What about MMO's?

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>>387126736
If cows cause cancer why is the most common cause of death for cows not cancer?

look it up.

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I'm surprised no one has done it yet.

I always knew people who liked modern games were brainlets.

>>387126802
That's what you get for seeking a braingasm without the proper protection.

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WTF guys I'm scared now, I just marathoned Horizon Zero Dawn but I don't remember anything about it

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>>387126956
You're worried? I forgot it was even a game that existed!

>>387126904
muh nig
Unity Daggerfall is coming too, someday Morrowindfags will eat their shit.

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>>387126956
I just realized the shitposting potential of this research.

>>387124327
I heard posting on /v/ is a big one but I keep forgetting.

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>>387124579
>Meanwhile, playing the 3D Super Mario games for 90 hours resulted in increased grey matter in the hippocampus for all the participants, according to the study.
who /platformers/ here

>>387124579
we've dumbed down games so much they're literally making us retarded holy shit

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>The ps3 actually had games, its just everyone had Alzheimers.

>>387127075
I think Mario in particular is a good hippocampus stimulator because information is relayed through the environment instead of tooltips and handholding tutorials. The way concepts are introduced naturally through gameplay and re-contextualise how to navigate level geometry fire the neurons in all the right places.

playing socom: fire team bravo online on psp when I was 13 turned me into a genius.

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>play IQ
>IQ raises

What about Zelda games?

>>387126736
>we know what causes cancer anon

Reddit.

>walk a minimum of 12km a day
Feels good man

>>387127381
Each dungeon has its own gimmick in the older games and in BoTW you run around doing whatever you want with almost no waypoints. I wonder if following waypoints you set yourself has a diminished effect. Probably won't shrink your hippocampus.

I played Thief 2 yesterday for the first time and I, no joking, was focussed and concentrating on the game (mainly the navigation part with the crudely drawn maps).

After I quit the game I felt really focussed and felt like my brain was unfucking itself from playing garbage casual games where I just mindlessly follow arrows and do the same stupid task over and over again.

I feel like playing Warband single player for so fucking long fucked my brain up, especially the all-nighters.

>>387124579
why bother when we can better store information externally?

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>>387125559
>no replies

>>387127889
You literally go insane if you can't maintain a working hippocampus.

*deactivates minimap*

>>387128045
yes, because playing a video game is going to degrade it to that extreme.

more shrinking hippocampus diagrams

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what are some shitty online games that you can train your spatial awareness?

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>>387128140
It will as things get worse.

How does RTS do for the noggin?

>>387128140
It will as you age. Remember that playing sudoku prevents Alzheimers.

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I just bought Rain World

Will this Hippo my Campus?

>>387128293
>>387128205
isn't there some /ck/ thread you should be shitposting in?

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Truly a thinking mans game

>>387128501
What does this have to do with cooking?

>>387128593
Not really. Once you start playing, everything becomes reactionary. You think about killing, not navigating.

>>387128724
t. copper

>>387128724
I'd say its the king of the pleb shooters for hippocampus stimulation as you can use destruction to customise the navigation every round even if it is at predetermined destructible surfaces and you assault a complete medium to large building with multiple floors and realistic room layout, it isn't a corridor with lanes like a CS:GO map.

How do I train my hippopotamus?
How do I make my hippopotamus bigger?
My memory is fucking garbage and I've been playing fps for my whole life.
Can't remember shit for shit.

>>387128910
>as you can use destruction to customise the navigation

That's using your reaction center, not your hippocampus. You are using a learned response, not an internal map.

>>387124898
Several industries don't like vidya because it's new competition so they slander them through bogus studies.

Do puzzle games help with this problem?
Stuff like picross?
What about layton?

>>387129019
literally just play memory games

>>387129186
WHAT ARE MEMORY GAMES

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/tv/ edition

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>>387129317

>>387124910
Shut up.

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GTA3 didn't have a pause menu map or GPS

VC and SA has pause menu world maps but no GPS, but San Andreas has a more vast map to navigate

GTA4 and 5 have GPS

>>387129307
http://www.wordgames.com/en/flash-memory-card-game.html

>>387129461
The whole pickle rick fiasco made me interested in watching but i don't want to be reddit.
Also I watched like the first 5 minutes of the first epsiode, I can already tell Rick is probably going to be one of those annoying unlikeable characters that make the entire show unwatchable like Archer was.

>>387129485
He's right though.

>>387129570
>The whole pickle rick fiasco made me interested in watching
>worst episode made me want to watch the best shot
wat.

>but i don't want to be reddit
might as well stop existing, everything is reddit.

>Also I watched like the first 5 minutes of the first epsiode
watch a couple of episodes and not the first quarter of a fucking pilot

>I can already tell Rick is probably going to be one of those annoying unlikeable characters that make the entire show unwatchable like Archer was.
only unlikable if you can't relate. which is good for you i guess
>not liking archer
shit taste general

>>387129307
I forgot

>>387129562
but are there actual fun games for memory?
got old after 10 minutes, cant be bothered

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hippocampus

It's good to know those hundreds of hours of laying Squad have been strengthening my hippocampus

>>387130010
but it did the opposite

>>387129485
What a profound argument. You sure got me there!

>>387130037
Squad requires orienteering skills to navigate the maps that vary form 2-4sq km.

>>387125198
Cancer is too big if a source of income for (((them))).

>>387127131
>the amazing ps3 games were forgotten because they cause alzheimers

>>387130102
>compas with markers
>map
no one is fucking doing that get real
you always have to stare at your compas cause people call out directions

i guess all those hours in The Long Dark girthened my hippocampus

>>387125559
You sound like a porn addict in a Nofap thread.
>m-muh prostate cancer...
>m-muh messy sheets anyway...
>b-but muh animals do it...

>>387124579
kula world
gg ez

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>>387129594
>Passively "consuming" TV
>Better than interactive media like video games

where's Hollow Knight in these charts?

>>387130104
The next study needs to be on how /pol/ rots the brain.

>>387129957
Cute as heck.

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Looks like I'm good

>>387128045
This explains so much.

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>>387131051
>/v/ is slowly going insane

>>387129594
TV/film should be at the very right considering you can find more meaningful discussion in /a/ and /v/ than in /tv/

>>387130131
At least now we know why Sonym8s were constantly going on about Demon Souls. Those were the only users that remembered anything.

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>>387129570
>I don't want to be Reddit
That is literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You are letting some faggots on the internet tell you that you can't fit in since you watch a show they don't like. Watch and play whatever the fuck you want, don't let /v/, /tv/, or any other board tell you otherwise, unless it's something true (don't preorder, wait for reviews, etc.)

>>387129035
What? You've got to have an internal map to know where you're breaching to. If you just blow up walls in the direction of the navigation overlay, you'll walk into traps.

>>387124579
[citation needed]

>>387131435
It cites the study

>>387129957
D'aww

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>>387124579
>First/third person shooters/open world games with objective icons are for brainlets

ITT: misinformation

>>387128205
I FUCKING hate God of War so FUCKING much.