i'm in eruyt village right now and i just can't understand

>>387098832
It's boring. The combat is boring, the characters are boring, the world is boring, the story is boring, hell even a lot of the music is boring. At least the judges are cool as fuck but everything else is just bland.

Because it isn't Final Fantasy.

cause vaan was the main character and he's a piece of wood compared to balthier

>>387098832
the story really drops off, but you're right, the game is hugely underappreciated otherwise. it is definitely a step in a strange direction for final fantasy combatwise though.

>>387098832
>>387099073
>>387099210
OP and these people are lying. It was received incredibly positively, with many/most critics saying it was one of the best Final Fantasy games ever made.

As with MGS2, it was left to the critics to point out a great game while the fans groaned that experimentation was happening.

Remember: FFXII was a huge shift from any previous game. Every other game in the series had a form of turn-based combat. Every other game in the series had relatively similar plot points and common traits enemy/world-wise.

FFXII innovated. It's one of the best games of all time.

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>mfw gendarme + ribbon

>>387099426
Oh fuck off. I bought it when it came out and the overall fan reception was lukewarm at best. I like FF12, but don't be a fucking idiot.

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>>387099396
>story drops off

>>387099313
Reminder that Vaan and Penelo were focus-tested into the game late into development.
Analyses of the game have pointed out how many cutscenes have Bathlier or Basch talking to NPCs while Vaan either sits offscreen or just reacts to the conversation that happened instead of taking part in it.

>>387099426
This, desu. Retards like >>387099073 got salty that series "staples" like selecting "attack" from a menu 10 billion times and a story that didn't focus on angsty teenagers were missing and started shitting on the game everywhere.

>>387099492
Did you even fucking read my post

>>387098832
I'm playing it first time too with the Remaster and I'm loving it. Just beat the Crystal. Wishing it wouldn't end.

boring characters without chemistry

faggy music

tedious combat

made up accents and dialects were cringey

no real sense of stakes

no world map

>>387099426
>FFXII innovated.
It's FFXI but with gambits instead of macros to automate party members.

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>>387099818
aside from your second-to-last point, you're objectively incorrect

I'm playing the vanilla ps2 version, just killed some huge turtle in Nam Yensa. I honestly have no idea how to build my characters, I've heard they all will end up the same, but I'm not even getting any sort of new weapons or armor so I'm just dumping licence points into Gambits and passive abilities. Ashe has got over 800 LP since I'm not using her yet.

Gameplay is a bit slow and boring, but just a few months back I played a game called Summoner that was pretty much the same so I don't really mind it.

The story and characters remind me of Star Wars, Vaan and Penelo haven't been as terrible as people make them out to be, yet. I found FFX's cast far more irritating, especially Tidus.

>>387100637
>I found FFX's cast far more irritating, especially Tidus.
Agreed. I think FFX's characters fitted into tropes too much whereas XII's band of heroes feel much more grounded.

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>>387099426
>It was received incredibly positively, with many/most critics saying it was one of the best Final Fantasy games ever made.

Unironically this. People just sperge hard when it come to FF. I played it when it came out. Playing it again with the remaster. It's an incredibly comfy magical chill game. Vaan was chosen because he is a random kid and the game is open world but the real protagonists were Basch and ashe.

>>387100637
>Gameplay is a bit slow and boring
>people jerk off over IX

>>387099584
Its the truth though. The game's development got reemed in the ass big time and the story was one of the main things to suffer from it.

>>387100323
He's right about the characters not really having chemistry.

>>387101242
I haven't played any of the ps1 games yet so I can't compare them. FFXII was ass for the first few hours because it took ages to kill monsters alone, got a bit better after Not Han Solo and femChewaka joined the party though.

Will that fourth slot on my party open up later on or will I be stuck with 3 characters once allies stop jumping in?

>>387098832
Vaan was EXTREMELY negatively received and because the story and pacing was fucked most people didn't even finish the game, and if they did they just shitposted about every character being the same or about how bad the story and characters were.

The few fanboys had such shitty counter arguments that they didn't start using them until just about 2 years ago.

>>387099426
Fuck off retard.

>>387099492
Lukewarm is a huge overstatement. Okami, Gears of War, and Oblivion, and even Twilight Princess completely overshadowed FF12 that year.

>>387102247
>Okami, Gears of War, and Oblivion, and even Twilight Princess completely overshadowed FF12 that year.
Okami and Twilight Princess were NOT overshadowing Final Fantasy. Okami was treated as a neat art-curio and Twilight Princess...are you fucking serious kid hahahahaha

>>387102358
In what world were you living in newfag?

>>387102462
He didn't mention GoW so he was most likely a 10 year old Xbot. Both of those games had better reception and people were talking more about how good they were than FF12. Which most people hated.

>>387102679
No, Gears of War was a standout that year. I could understand the perception that it overshadowed FFXII.

>>387098832
I really enjoyed it...granted i only played the IZJS version. For what i know, vanilla XII was very unbalanced so thats likely why it got a bad rap among some people.

>>387098832
>>387103101
it was being compared to actual good games unlike it is today by newfags.

>>387098832
Play the original game and you will see why people had a problem with it

>>387098832
On the record, this version is VASTLY superior to the original and a lot of the original's issues are addressed.

That said
>Why was this game recieved negatively in 2006?
The Gambit system means battles literally play themselves.
The licence board makes all characters exactly the same, and also makes anti-sense, lore-wise. (You need to kill a certain number of wolves to know how to put on a hat)
The license board is also extremely grindy.
The story is literally Star Wars. and I don't mean that in a "Well of course it's similar, it's the Heroe's Journey" kind of way, I mean it's literally, 100% a straight rip-off of Star Wars specifically. With bits of Empire thrown in too.
Very few good characters. Neither Vaan nor Penelo, the "pov" characters, are among them.
There's one particularly long stretch where characters go to a place for a thing, only to find that the thing they want is elsewhere.

>>387098832

There were better games back then. Nowadays FF XII looks good when compared to many modern games.

>>387099731

>and a story that didn't focus on angsty teenagers were missing

Well, it's not so much the story about angsty teenagers that is missing, it's that the story in general is missing.

>>387098832
Vanilla was much different than IZJS, and Zodiac Age is an improvement on that. Vanilla boiled down to Masamune spam and nothing else was really worth using due to the damage cap, and everyone ended up the same (healing tanking physical DPS). IZJS raised the power ceiling while making you specialize more (leading to a lot enjoyable tactics). Simply removing the damage cap made the game vastly better by making offenses other than what hits most worthwhile, not fucking with the relative power of things and additional damage modifiers always being worth it. Have no idea why FF keeps bringing back that piece of shit damage cap.

Also, casuals being retarded as usual.

the game is way too easy is my problem. could of overlooked all the shitty parts of it like the gambit system and awful characters, but man none of the bosses really offered a decent challenge.

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>>387099426
I think part of the issue was I don't think 12 got a huge amount of advertising since Square shelled out a fuck ton of money ramping up Kingdom Hearts II which only came out a few months earlier which I imagine Disney helped out with as well.

But yeah most of the reviewers back in the day praised XII pretty highly, but I think the marketing exposure just wasn't there.

Game has pretty much a half story like FF15.

Second half of the game has bare minimum story. So it's boring.

>>387105861
>like FF15.
FF12 is shit but it's nowhere near that shit.

>>387098832
It was? That is not what i remember
Me and everyone i knew liked it

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I'm preferring it now compared to when I got it at release in 2006.

Turbo mode has made it a lot less retarded, and so has the new license/job system.

>>387098832
Turn based babies hated it otherwise it was a solid fun game.

>>387098832
fanboys wanted more of the same anime plot, boring turn based combat and linearity.

>>387099073
>the world is boring
>the music is boring
I'll fight you.
Ivalice and especially FFXII's Ivalice is one of the most fleshed out worlds in video games (explanations on economic systems, culture, etc)

>>387099313
>Vaan
>the main character
You play him, but he's not the main character

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Reminder that Gabranth did nothing wrong and should have been the protagonist.

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>mfw just beat zodiark

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>make Balthier a Machinist because I forgot how shit it is
>figure I'll just roll Machinist/White Mage
>remember that I already made Penelo a White Mage/Shikari
I really screwed the pooch in terms of party setup, methinks.

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>>387108994

I made my Fran a white mage/machinst

and then gave her the trango + gendarme

>>387099591
Vaan always in the game, he was the first character they made. It's just things were changed to Vaan's character to make him a giant faggot. If the Japanese voice actor for Vaan had done his voice right then we wouldn't have had the pathetic faggot we got in the final version.

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>>387109176
I ended up rolling:
Balthier
>Machinist/White Mage
Fran
>Red Mage/Black Mage
Vaan
>Uhlan/Archer
Penelo
>White Mage/Shikari
Basch
>Knight/Time Mage
Ashe
>Bushi/Monk

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Tfw no qt ashe gf

>>387098832
games didn't suck back then, so compared to everything else it was pretty bad

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>>387111714
Drace > Fran > Jote > Mjrn > Ashe > Penelo

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What is a good Price for that Game?

>>387098832
I did not realize it was disliked on release. I heard about ff13 having mixed to negative reception. I guess at the time I was young enough to not consider public perception of the game.

>>387112851
It was more that no one really cared about it, which is worse imo. When a game is disliked that much that the anger is skipped and fans turn indifferent about it.


As far as I'm concerned FF12 was the biggest letdown I ever experienced in gaming.

>>387098832
I think this game is exceptional. I can understand criticisms of the story especially coming off a game like FFX, which is melodramatic in a lot of ways. XII's narrative was more entrenched in a political discourse where the main character appears insignificant, but this made me want to investigate and find out as much as possible about Ivalice. The storyline was conducive to my desire for exploration because the narrative was about places and objects more than it was about people. This isn't necessarily bad, it's just different and I honestly welcomed the change of pace.

I also enjoy the themes of traditionalism and militarisation. Seeing both sides of the coin in Dalmasca and Archades is an interesting commentary on the pitfalls and the virtues of Authority. It was a nuanced portrayal of how those societies would function. Basically if you don't want to get into the world building, probably not a game for you.

>>387105861
But there's more gameplay

>MUH POLITICS

>>387099426

why are you lying? ive bought every final fantasy, launch day, since 6. at the very least, basically all internet communities were maybe, tops, 6/10 on it. it just wasnt liked. i LOVED it, because it was offline XI. were you actually around, or?

>>387098832
It did many things well, great visuals, awesome music (still my favourite to this day), combat and gambits is the perfect system IMO.
Voice acting is just awesome, I dont know whether compression or what but it was part of the charm and I actually liked it.

Few things were a step back tho.
Some areas were pretty fucking generic, MMO generic.
Interaction was reduced comparing to previous games and it felt more empty.
Story was less emotional and personal and more general politics, if you werent speaking perfect English at the time you could get lost easily with long words and awkward sentence construction.
Now I actually love that but back then it was an issue.

Retarded shit like zodiak spear put in just for the sake of walktrough sales.
People who put dozen already didnt like it very much (lucky me found rng guide so ended up with 5 of those spears after few hours)

It was also more medieval, down to ground fantasy than your regular FF, a mix of technology and magic and absolutely awesome monsters of awe inspiring shit spitting cosmos at you.
Even summons were reduced to AI controlled pup that followed you and dealt less damage than you dealt with a sword.
Quickenings were also kinda meh.

But in the end I think the worst thing were large MMO like generic areas and that even large cities like alexandria were essentially a corridor with nothing to do or see.
Number of minigames was also reduced, I dont remember anything apart form hunts.

PC when?

Are there any games on PC that use a programmable battle system like FFXII's gambit system?

>>387108994
make him a Machinist Foebreaker instead