Sid Meier calls you up and wants you to pick the leaders of the

Le hitler XD

cao cao

Tito (he was a commie, so it would trigger pol)

Martin Luther King Jr. (just to annoy pol)

Nelson Mandela (I really like seeing them annoyed)

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Trump

trump lol

Corazon Santiago
Deirdre Skye
Prokhor Zakharov
Pravin Lal
Sheng-Ji Yang
Nwabudike Morgan
Miriam Godwinson

Christopher Poole

>>387053132
Epic choices my fellow sir and redditor! Can we include any interracial relationships in the game to further annoy "pol"?

>>387053334
this

>>387053329
not even parallel universes have Alpha Centauri 2

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>>387053334
Same leaders from Civ5, but every leader is played by Justin Trudeau

>>387053412
no, you already sound annoying and cringe inducing. Downvoted.

>>387052810
Donald Trump

Miguel Hidalgo to rep Mexico.

Jean Chretien to rep Canada.

Lula

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Hitler, but subtly alter the mechanics so he rng fucks him up everytime, making it impossible to win as Hitler. Just to annoy pol, you know.

Change in leader dynamic where you can create a council of your people's great leaders kind of like the Age of Mythology deity system.

Also bring back palace development, I miss my regal abode.

Andrew Jackson

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Adolf Hitler but unironicly

>>387052810
Andrew Jackson. If there's any Native American (or even Central American) civ in the game, you automatically declare war on them.

Alexander the Great
Charlemagne
Caesar Augustus
Thomas Jefferson
King George V
Fidel Castro
Genghis Khan
Kim Il Sung
Emperor Hirohito (WWII era)
Attila the Hun
Vladimir Lenin

DLC Bonus:
Vladimir Putin

I know it would cause a stir but I would love to see Levi Eshkol (Israel). Spy bonuses, conscription army (can turn citizens or builders into military ubits) Blockades, iron dome, "underdog" bonus (soldiers take longer to train but have better stats or/ if your enemy outnumbers you 2-1 armies get 25 percent bonus)


Some really cool stuff with that one.

I don't know, Napoleon?
Make only like half of his body come up on the screen.

Andrew Jackson
Hitler
Lenin
Napoleon
Chang ki chek
Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Augustus Caesar
Ramses II
Nebuchadnezzar
Xerxies
Winston Churchill
Ghandi
Saladin
King Solomon
David

>>387053982
>putin
>a good leader
the little cuck is pathetic

Assad and Gaddafi. They have monetary bonuses, but take 500% damage from barbarians.

am I the only one who doesn't think they were ever the good guys, despite being invovled in americas proxy wars? I wouldn't cry if they hand Assad by his giraffe neck

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I'd support Clemenceau for France, just to mix things up.

>>387053462
This but everyone is Chaika

>>387054067
>>387053982
these are pretty legit.

>>387053830
>like the Age of Mythology deity system.
Shit, that would be pretty cool.
Each change or period would require you to pick a leader, with pros and cons.

>>387054182
>butthurt about optional DLC bonus characters

>>387053982
>>387054067
Why the heck is Lenin not playable anyway? He's the one commie who's not universally hated by most people.

>>387054382
damn that would be a great feature. But do countries have enough great leaders to fill up 5 or so era? assuming 3 options per era?

>>387054467
Unfortunately, civilizations don't last forever, but I do like the idea of picking a leader from each era. You could have them get deposed and pick a completely unrelated new one with new abilities after entering a new era.

>>387054459
he's still very controversial and might cause uppity easily offended people to make a big enough of a fuss for them to lose potential profits.

I can imagine Fox would be upset as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKd1HNBqGLA (sorry, can't find the original without the annoying narrator)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kdm7fg804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x16NPKtdUks

Jefferson Davis

>>387053815
but it literally was impossible to win as hitler

Not including Civs/Leaders that would already be in the game (Ghandi, Montezuma, etc.)

Tunka Manin (Ghana Empire)
Mansa Munsa (Mali Empire)
Henry VI (Holy Roman Empire)
Solomon (Israel)
FDR (United States)
Winston Churchill (England)
Chandragupta (Maurya Empire)
Lenin (Soviet Union)
Sitting Bull (Sioux)
Hiram I (Phoenician Empire)
Rajendra I (Chola Empire)

>>387054959
>not Jim Davis

>>387054212
It's the D&D alignment chart issue. You want Lawful Good leaders, but there ARE no Good leaders in the MENA. At best you can have Lawful Neutral, which Gaddafi and Assad were/are. Western foreign policy seems to be pretending that there are some wildcard chaotic good out there to replace them when really they're trying to find Lawful Evil to add to their globalist conspiracy.

Yeah OP, add all the leaders ever, remove voice acting and 3D animation to make up for it.

>>387054459
Lenin was a garbage leader. Read Gulag Archipelago. It wasn't until Stalin came in and restored at least some order that the USSR started accomplishing the bare minimum to exist as a state and not an anarchic mess.

William motherfucking Taft

>>387055106
>Yeah OP, add all the leaders ever, remove voice acting and 3D animation to make up for it.
Fuck off, Civ V may have been exceedingly mediocre but the leaderscreens were fucking great. I'd kill to have a civ game that's as good as IV but with V's leaderscreens.

>>387055232
>fatter, less effective Roosevelt

Why not just have Roosevelt?

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My nigga Kagame

>>387055362
as long as they remove stacks of death and stop using squared tiles.I know this is controversial to say, but being able to stack units is convenient for troop movement, it also destroys the strategy part of war in 4x games.

>>387055362
I hate that crap. It adds nothing to the gameplay.

Civ 3 had the perfect balance of graphics and mechanics. All it needs is updated mechanics and it'd be perfect. Also when are they going to stop playing rectangular maps and actually do globular maps? It's time.

>>387055194
You realize a majority of that book is bullshit right? Commies are subhuman monsters but Gulag Archipelago is full of made up stories

>>387055555

>>387055606
my dead mother was a communists, you take that back

Charles Manson

>>387053954
And you instantly cause problems internally in doing so because Congress told Jackson he legally wasn't allowed to do that then he did it anyway

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>>387052810

Natalia Poklonskaya
Russian Federation
Prosecutor General of the Republic of Crimea

Annex any bordering non capital city once every 25 turns, just because why not.

Green men special unit, can infiltrate inside enemy borders without being noticed.

>>387055606
>>387055702
Communists are not even people, just monsters, AND the book is true. You can't even imagine the horrors of communism without reading that book.

I'm sorry about your mother but she was host to a parasitical ideology, a cancerous meme and she was working towards the destruction of humankind. Don't make her mistakes.

>>387054459

Lenin was pretty terrible at governing though. In terms of all the soviet leaders before Stalin's death, he ran the country the worst. As bad as Stalin was, the USSR was definitely the most successful under his iron fist. And Trotsky was...well, Trotsky. Only Trotskyists care about Trotsky.

>>387053982
>Emperor Hirohito (WWII era)
He was barely a leader, Tojo and the war cabinet were running the show.

>>387055923
>You can't even imagine the horrors of communism without reading that book.
How about being born in a communist coutnry and actually living there?

People in the west are full of shit, they pain communist countries with a broad brush. Yugoslavia was a commie country and pretty western in it's spirit and way of life.

>>387054067
Now that I think of it, has civ ever had the ancient Kingdom of David used before?

>>387056067
Eugh, you're the kind of person who argues that China isn't really communist anymore even when they still are ruled by the Communist party and maintain a forced labor camp.

I'm not going to argue historical quibbles with you. Communism is sick and must be stamped out so that it never re-emerges.

>>387055925
He did the best he could in fuck-awful circumstances. Remember the civil war ended AFTER HIS DEATH. His rule never saw a month of peace, and the country could have been split at any point in a hundred pieces. The fact it held together after Brest-Litovsk and the civil war is a fucking miracle.

>>387056228
better to be red than brain dead.

>>387055925
I thought the USSR was most successful with Krutchev.

>>387053982
Trash

>>387052810
Phillip II of Macedonia
Pericles
Caesar Augustus
Charles Martel
Ferdinand and Isabel
Catherine the Great of Russia
Ataturk
Nicholas II
Napoleon

>>387056323
I said before Stalin's death

>>387056228
also you don't hold a candle in an argument against someone who actually experienced "the horrors" of communism on his own skin. It wasn't very horrible. Censorship sucks ass, but no one was taking from you to give to the less needy, no one regulated your private time, no one gave a fuck how green your lawn was.

So why did Civ VI bomb again

>>387054459
He's a hero to commie useful idiots. He's not universally hated by most *ignorant* people.

Lenin is literraly the worst thing that can happen to a country with his agotprop murderous terrorism and bullshit ideology.

>>387056008
So what? A lot of leaders were just figureheads. Make Tojo the guy if you want, but he wasn't the emperor.

>>387056507
it helped that it was shit

>>387056598

For 80% of Japan's history being the Emperor did not really entail having governing power. The Emperor isn't a king, he's closer to a pope as his chief job is being head of the Shinto religion.

>>387053412
Confirmed for annoying /pol/

>>387056507
Civ 4 and 5 were only good games once expansion packs rolled out. It might be a jewy tactic, but the game might actually be really good after 2 expansion packs.

>>387056393
Napoopan is as cliche as Ghandi.

>>387054067
I like these except for two

China, I'd prefer Liu Bang, especially since the others are overdone.
Arabs, should be Abu Bakr so its actually an arab

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come the fuck on Sid, we got motherfucking Stalin for fuck's sake, this guy is a penitent nun compared to that ruskie psycho

>>387057037
Franco for Spain.

please no

>>387053056
Friedrich the Great for Germany would be nice.

>>387057148
Literally only contrarians like Franco. The economy was still shitty under him, he had death squads operating all the way up to the last year he was in power, and no one who had ever personally met him could stand the guy.

>>387052810
Id pick all the ones who arent remotely good looking and could be considered bi/gay

>Andrew Jackson for the US
>Kaiser Wilhelm I for the German Empire
>Louis XIV for France
>Gilgamesh from now until the end of time
>Getulio Vargas for Brazil as an alternative for Emperor Pedro I who is still the undisputed GOAT patrician leader choice

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Basically i'd just add more female rulers for more sfm porn to come out

>>387057037
Is there any picture of Mussolini where he doesn't look like he's considering strangling the photographer

>>387058495
No, it doesn't exist.

>>387058495

This is a guy who beat half to death a senator who basically said "I disagree" to him, and then what asked about it said "what of it"

>>387056507
Nearly every single good mechanic they introduced were implemented in the worst possible way.
>hey here's a system that allows your civ to naturally research technologies that would fit your civ's current situation faster
>lol jk it's just a quest system that we expect you to fulfill for every technology to keep relevant
>we made a new system for social policies that allow you to switch between them for different bonuses and different governments have different amount of slots for them
>lol jk 90% of them are useless
>we heard you guys missed stacking so we brought back limited stacking
>lol jk it just allows you to combine several units of the same type into a bigger stronger version of the same unit instead of stacking different kinds of units
Add onto that shitty graphics (both shitty in the sense that it's hard to identify things at a glance, like hills being damn near invisible, as well as being just plain ugly), lack of civs in the base game and greedy dlc practices and it's not difficult to see why it performed so poorly.

Maybe the expansions will salvage the massive problems the game has like what happened to V but I'm not holding my breath.

>>387058875
VI has big problems, but not massive problems like V had.

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>>387052810
1. Any Mexican leader that isnt just an Aztec, Im thinking post 18th century
2. A pope, preferably any pope post-14th century
3. Bring back polynesian or pacific Island leaders
4. Any Latin American leader that isnt the already default indigenous leaders, similar to point 1.

America - Jackson
China - Cao Cao
England - Richard the Lionheart
France - Charlemagne
Japan - Hideyoshi Toyotomi
Russia - Stalin
Germany - Hitler
Rome - Marcus Aurelius
Greece - Agamemnon

Unlucky DLC:

Tsar Nicholas II
King Louis XVIII
Sultan Mehmed VI
Muammar Gaddafi
Julius Caesar
John F Kennedy
Ngo Dinh Diem

>>387059105
>America - Jackson
He was a shit president, though.

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>>387054067
Nero & Caligula for rome or gtfo

The rest are pretty tight, but I'd rather king Richard for England.

Also where is Ivan the terrible for Russia? At least give me Peter the great!

Too few tyrants like Vlad the impaler are put in imo. I know he wasn't king, but the game needs more baddies you know?

>>387059153
Very uneducated opinion.

>>387059105
>>387059153
America's leader should be Hamilton to capitalize on the success of the musical.

Phocion for Greece. Enough of these meme choices.

>>387059153
you are a shit president

Is there any reason to buy 6 instead of just playing 5?

>>387059269
>Enough of these meme choices
>Let's go with my obscure shit instead!

I bet you want Ahsoka and Komnenos as well.

>>387059261
>America's leader should be some fruit that wasn't even president, tried to sell us out to Jews and died like a little bitch
Yeah, no.

>>387059474
Why do you think the musical was so successful, dumbass? Normies love those things.

>>387052931
Retard. If Stalin and other monsters get in Hitler deserves it too.

>>387053775
Would his special unit be Cuban guerrilas disguised as medics?

based Andrew Jackson
Fidel Castro
Ivan The Terrible or Peter The Great, nobody gives a fuck about Catherine
Adolf Hitler does deserve it but he will forever only be in by modding.

>>387059349
Bump, I'm curious too
Just spent like three days dicking around on Civ 5

>>387059223
Nah, Jackson didn't do shit except fuck up the dignity of the White House with the "spoils system" and then he killed a bunch of Indians.

Jackson was a cunt.

>>387059563
This. Why is it not okay to have Hitler, but Joseph 'THE LAST PERSON TO STOP CLAPPING GETS THE GULAG' Stalin. Sick and tired of this shit.

>>387059868
>dignity of the white house
L M A O
M
A
O
How could you even type that with a straight face? What he did was pull the stick out of the government's collective asses for a few years.

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Just a proper representation of Qin Shi Huang please
>Being such a fucking maniac you turn an entire culture to complete shit for all eternity

>>387054959
>"country" exists for less than 4 years
>wants to be in a Civ game
no

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>>387059153

Yeah but in civ with America, few want the ruler to be a mello president like James Madison. They want America to have a leader from an age past who had a firey passion.

Ulysses S. Grant would make for an okay substitute I imagine.

>>387059223
He tanked the economy

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>>387060102
This! This is exactly the kind of chinese ruler I want in my games of civ!

>>387056228
need some milk with that nigger?

Why the fuck does everyone want Hitler in as a leader? He was fucking dogshit at it and ran his country into the ground.

>>387060102
What exactly was his problem with scholars?

>>387060313
Just like gwb tanked the economy after billyboy did such a great job with it, and bongo only did so badly with it because dubya fucked it up so bad, am I right?
Retard.

>>387060856

His advisor said it was a good idea to unify thought in the country.

Hitler and Stalin as leaders are the most normie choices possible. A Papal State would be pretty interesting tho. Would probably be just Venice from Civ5 with emphasis on religion and backhanded diplomacy instead of shekels.

>>387060940
Anon his removal of federal deposits from the nation's banking system caused a massive speculation spike that the banks didn't have the funds to keep up with and created a depression. It was directly his fault and god only knows how they managed to blame it on Van Buren.

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>>387060815
That is why they want him in their games of civ.

>>387060815
Because
>they think it is somehow cool or a taboo to be edgy
>there is some kind of anti-nazi consipracy going on
>they don't really know anything about German history and know no one but Hitler when there were much more important German leaders

Also, these people don't understand why Mao or Stalin are "okay" but Hitler isn't. Sales. The people of Russia and China like their respective tyrants. They never really considered their past in the same way Germans do, and even if they are aware of the genocides, they still somewhat worship those guys. Germans hate Hitler and don't want to be associated with him. So making Hitler the leader of Germany in Civ would meet heavy backlash and bad publicity in Germany.

>>387054067
>Churchill
But why

>>387061749
He's very quotable.

>>387061749
Cause Britain needs a villain for once.

>>387061595
Stalin and Hitler were fucks but Mao was an effective leader.

brought literacy up from like 30% to a whopping near 80%, replaced every person who died on his gay famine march 3-fold once he got the country running proper, brought them out of rural farming retardation and into modernity

>>387061595
Pretty sure many Russians hate Stalin.

The fact that he was denounced by his successor says enough.

Thing is tho. He won the Patriotic war. So he can't be seem in a bad light, cause no matter what he prevented the Germans from conquering them.

>>387059868
>killed the bank
>removed injuns
>only president to ever pay off the national debt
But yeah, he didn't do shit.

>>387060815
Because like it or not he was the most popular figure at one point. So popular people would genocide for him. And that is powerful the ability to decide who lives and who dies.

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>>387061267
-The banker barons were trying to control the economy
-saying the tiny american economy dipping was Jackson's fault somehow when he tried to wrestle control away from them and succeeded DURING all out war with native terrorist attacks that are pouring out of the hills and murdering civilians being organized by european power players

Van Buren was a mistake

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>>387061957
>the Patriotic war

>>387062208
That's what Ivans call WW2

>>387061267
>Anon his removal of federal deposits from the nation's banking system caused a massive speculation spike that the banks didn't have the funds to keep up
Uh, no, you fucking idiot. Both of these events happened, the causal relation you're implying did not.

>>387060815
Just because he's in the game doesn't mean you have to play as him. It's more fun to have the AI piloting aggressive villains than boring cunts who just sit around and sometimes denounce people. Honestly, there should just be multiple leaders for each civ and you choose the one you want at the beginning of the game.

David Ben-Gurion, just because of all the mad it would trigger online.

>>387060193
I want Jefferson with the Library of Congress national wonder and once you build it you get great leader Carnegie and half price to build libraries in all the rest of the cities.

>>387061908
>he killed a bunch of people
>but it is okay because he regrew them

A genocide is a genocide. Doesn't matter if it was just some chinks. After World War 2 Germany became a power house and all that. Doesn't mean that World War 2 wasn't a giant tragedy.

>>387061957
Russia has a really diverse population. Some old folks still love him because of his propaganda machine from back in the day. Some old folks dislike him for other reasons.
I think for most younger people he is "that guy who beat Hitler".

>>387059446
>implying

Willy Brandt
Just as a wild card.

>>387062391
>Honestly, there should just be multiple leaders for each civ and you choose the one you want at the beginning of the game.
I honestly don't know why this isn't already the case.

>>387056507
>Civ VI bombed
but it didn't

>>387061908
>Mao
>effective leader
I want to strangle you so badly. Read/listen to this book.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BDOM24/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

>>387062583
>I honestly don't know why this isn't already the case.
Because they waste tons of money on voice acting and 3D animation, when they could simply go back to the Civ III way of doing things and save tons of money and have more options for the actual gameplay.

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>>387052810
Éamon de Valera

>>387053056
He'd be OP with all that ambition.

>>387055606
>book is bullshit
literal kgb propaganda

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Germany
-Hitler
France
-Louis "L'Etat, c'est moi." XIV
USA
-Washington
Brazil
-Marshall Cândido Rondon
England
-Churchill
If it ain't dutch it ain't much
-William
Portugal
-city estate
Byzantine Empire
-Constantine
Canada
-Justin Trudeau

t. brazilianfag

>>387062681
Mao was an effective leader up until after he took power, after that it was just down hill. He couldve made China so great, but he just fumbled so badly

>>387056507
Eureka system is a really great mechanic in concept that was seemingly implemented by an intern. It has no depth to it when it had the potential to completely alter how Civilization rounds were to play out. In reality all it really creates is a brain dead, no effort, and repetitive quest system that isn't optional if you want to stay ahead. That means every game is even more the same than previous installments in the series.

>>387063045
UMA

>>387062913
>bullshit
It's literally all sourced with China's own fucking archives you little shit.

>>387063068
Bullshit to that too. He was losing the civil war to Chiang Kai Shek until commies in the USA state department started funding him and betrayed Chiang during/after WW2, leading to his takeover. He never would have even gotten power if it wasn't for soviet infiltrators in the American government. Read Blacklisted by History.

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Make Bolivar the leader of a conglomerate of Central and South American nations. Or just pick Venezuela or Colombia, I don't care.

>>387063286
The commies would have lost if Shek never got kidnapped and forced to ally with them against the Nips

>>387063286
Let me expand my statements.
>(IMPLYING) [The Gulag Archipelago] is bullshit
Discrediting that book is literal KGB propaganda.

hitler or bernardo o´higgins

Venezuela

Unique Trait: "Not Real Socialism" - +2 relationship with other leaders if you're running a large, serviceable deficit.

>>387063408
Oh and I forgot to mention while Chiang was actually fighting the Japanese invaders Mao and his forces hung back and did jack shit, conserving their forces for after the Japs were driven out so they could backstab the guy who actually was trying to help China.

Fuck Mao to death. Forever. Worst leader in history.

>>387063487
My bad. Communists just piss me off so fucking much.

>>387054459
Terrible leader including the NEP meme and still controversial in Eastern Europe.

>>387063594
I'd say Pol Pot is more if a scumbag

>>387063756
I haven't even started researching what he did. I've just seen the mountain of skulls meme.

>>387063756
Yeah. Also Idi Amin Dada, Caucesco, Emperor Bocassa...

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>>387063539

>>387063973
Managed to kill at least 20% of his country in 4 years and then got his entire military destroyed by the Vietnamese who he viewed as inferior.

>>387063973
Basically, he wanted to do communism proper. And for him, that meant a state of peasants for some reason. So if you were an intellectual, you would be killed. You were a doctor? Killed. A teacher? Killed. You wore glasses? Killed. A third of his people died during his regime, in a relatively small timeframe (though I don't know how long).

The people of Cambodia still largely don't know their own history because so much knowledge was lost under Pol Pot. Cambodian scholars, the few that exist, spend their time re-discovering stuff by digging through the books that survived.

>>387064215
>>387064354
More and more I'm realizing that I need to dedicate my life to standing against Communism.

>>387064494
Funny, I feel the same way about capitalism

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>>387058495
I spent ten minutes on google images trying to disprove your point but I literally can't
the only photos of him laughing are the ones with his pal Adolf, and even there he still has his menacing grin
here, have a funny one instead (still with the grumpy face though)

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>>387064494
>falling for the capitalism meme

>>387064524
I honestly don't give a shit if you criticize capitalism, because parts of it are flawed. But please don't spread around the cancerous meme of Marxism that has a 100% failure rate resulting in mass deaths and despicable tyrants.

>>387064716
Here you can see him ejaculating to the sight of his photographer being strangled

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>>387064853
>>387064716
Whoops forgot image

>>387064751
>implying I embrace "capitalism"
>implying capitalism is an actual ideology and not just a descriptor for societies that respect property rights and voluntary exchange

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>>387064852
>parts of it are flawed
>not the entire fucking system
>implying Marx did anything wrong
Marx's philosophy is fucking airtight, it's not his fault that authoritarian cunts used it as an excuse for dictatorship

>>387064494
That is fine and dandy, just don't lump in socialism with it. A decent spice of socialism is a good thing for a state, and has improved the lives of millions of people.

Also, understand that there are different "interpretations" of communism. Many of these rulers did not really care much about what Marx said exactly, and tried to force something that Marx thought to be a somewhat natural process. Most of these communist dictators were utter maniacs, and they played a big roll themselves in the process of their systems failing.

That being said, communism itself is retarded, it does not work, can not work, and will not work. I just implore you to get a more nuanced view of the whole thing.

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>>387064716
One of these children shall be strangled

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Socialism is the only logical end of the increasing trend of automation.
Eventually we'll get to a point where most of the population is unemployable because machines are more efficient/cheaper/more productive.
Capitalism must not exist then or the world will fall into destitute poverty for everyone but a few elites.

>>387065020
>Come up with the perfect system of government
>Completely ignore human nature.

You can't expect anything to work in the real world when it only functions in one perfect philosophical setting.

>>387065284
>MUH HUMAN NATURE
Human nature doesn't exist in the slightest

>>387065020
>Marx's philosophy is fucking airtight
Laughable, a child can debunk Labor Theory of Value, and the problem of determining prices in a centralized manner has been demonstrated LITERALLY every single time centralization is attempted. Including in Western Democracies today.

>>387065068
Socialism isn't separate from Communism. Marx himself said it was a step on the path. The USSR always claimed to be "socialist". I'm deeply wary of anything claiming to be socialist. I can't think of a single "socialist" program in the USA that hasn't been a failure if not an outright disaster.

>>387064956
>when the castor oil hits.jpg

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>>387065327
>human nature doesn't exist
Personality psychologists would like to vehemently disagree with you.

>>387064213
I guess that'd mean something of Venezuela was the first time Socialism ever failed. But it's not.

>>387065327
>I don't like it so it doesn't exist.

Thaaaaaaat's Communism!

>>387065329
>in the USA
The Post Office?
Fire and police?
Medicare?
Disability aid?

>>387065236
You should look up CRISPR and how they're going to try genetic manipulation of fetuses for higher IQ. Automation will come but it seems like it'll come at the same time as strong(er) AI and IQ manipulation of offspring resulting in extremely competent and intelligent humans to go with it.

>>387065236
>Eventually we'll get to a point where most of the population is unemployable because machines are more efficient/cheaper/more productive.
That'll serve those non-STEM fuckers right.

>>387053334
the google guy?

>>387065537
>>387065526
No job is safe from automation.
First it's the manual labor, then it's the management, then it's skilled labor, then it's government, then it's science

>>387065648
I work as a software engineer, they can't replace me.

>>387065236
pretty much

>>387065725
They can and they will
You don't think AI is coming?
If not sentient AI, extremely fucking advanced AI able to self-reprogram?

>>387065725
for now.

>>387065513
>Post Office
Can't maintain its own funding though it's supposed to be revenue neutral, largely because of pensions for government employees and inability to raise prices when needed.

>Fire and Police
Fire service is typically organized at the most local levels and works okay at those levels. Police are corrupt as all hell, I don't think I need to spam evidence at you of that.

>Medicare
What a joke. It's bankrupting the country along with Medicaid and Social Security. It's basically subsidizing sick old people instead of just letting them die with dignity.

>Disability aid
Private insurance would handle this much better. Right now it's being abused as a form of welfare for people made unemployed by the shifting economy, primarily by low IQ former laborers who now are becoming increasingly addicted to opiates.

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>>387065892
>muh private sector
The free market is a fucking meme, a completely free and unregulated market would be a disaster

>>387065329
>Socialism isn't separate from Communism. Marx himself said it was a step on the path.
This is what I meant when I implored you to get a more nuanced view. Marx did not invent socialism. There were many socialists in his time that had different understandings of what socialism was. Communism is a brand of socialism, a very extreme interpretation of it.
Socialism in general just means that a country takes care of its citizens. And like that other anon said, having basic things that most people take for granted these days like a fire department or health care is already socialism.

>>387065979
Black markets seem to do a pretty damn fine job of delivering goods and services at affordable prices to anyone who can pay (drugs, prostitution, so on). Meanwhile Venezuela's population has lost like 20% of its bodyweight because there's no food.

>>387053132
you forgot Mugabe

>>387066043
>fire department and healthcare
There's no reason whatsoever that those can't be private entities and they have to be run by the government. Especially today. Healthcare ran better in the past when government stayed out of it.

>>387065892
>Police are corrupt as all hell, I don't think I need to spam evidence at you of that.
Try not living in the USA.

I really, I could say that to the rest of the post aswell.

>>387053132
please don't ruin a game i enjoy because you want to le ebin troll a board of brown skinned white supremacists.

>>387059563

nazi figures and imagery is banned in germany along with several other European countries. I think the civilization series intentionally pokes fun at this by always including leaders like Genghis Khan and Mao

>>387066043
>Communism is a brand of socialism, a very extreme interpretation of it.
good god no one in this conversation knows anything.

socialism is social control of the means of production. Seizing the state is one way to get this. In socialism there is still work, some form of wages, and money.

communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. the goal of socialism.

>>387053184
>>387053197

what would be the bonuses or units would specialize with a trump america?

>>387066247
>Healthcare ran better in the past when government stayed out of it
So you think that a person being unable to get healthcare because of pre-existing conditions is right?
Insurance companies should be allowed to dick you over constantly for money?
People being uninsured because of cost prohibition should have to ignore problems until they're too bad to ignore and then either spend the rest of their lives in debt or foot the bill to the taxpayer?

>>387066247
This is quite possibly one of the most retarded thing's I've read in a while

>>387066320
Nelson Mandela seems like a good pick though. He was an important leader of South Africa.

>>387066247
Say that to Europe generally having higher living standards and a better wealth distribution because we allowed some socialism into our countries.

>>387066403
You described Marx' brand of socialism, which obviously was fixated on reaching communism.

>>387052810
Tamerlane.

>>387066413
100% production bonus on city walls and great wall

>>387066437
>So you think that a person being unable to get healthcare because of pre-existing conditions is right?
I'm talking about even further back then that, before medical costs spiked so much you HAD to have insurance to cover your basic medical needs like doctor's visits. Please don't make the common mistake of conflating health INSURANCE with heathCARE. There used to be a time you could pay cash at the local doctor's office and it was affordable.

>>387062391

Play Civ IV, the majority of the leaders in it are aggressive

>>387065490
but what is human nature ?
every times you guys try to make a point about why and how most socialist countries failed you just spout this buzzword without even giving a clear definition of human nature.
my guess is that human are shaped by their material and sociological conditions and human nature as you imagine it is is just the behavior of people who live under capitalist society

>>387065892
>Private insurance would handle this much better
how ? social services in my country are being ripped appart by our government because "muh free market" and there is no company to take their places.

>>387066541
>Say that to Europe generally having higher living standards and a better wealth distribution because we allowed some socialism into our countries.
That has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with average IQ.

>>387052810
>25yo body
>75yo face
What did they mean by this?

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>>387066640
>my guess is that human are shaped by their material and sociological conditions
>muh blank slate theory
Read Piaget already.

>>387066541
they should just add multiples of certain countries, so germany has a few, USA, etc as many countries have changed throughout the years.

>>387052810
Hitler
Stalin
Moctezuma
Genghis Khan
Zhaka Zulu
Gandhi

That's it.

>>387066582
bonus on materials/resources coming in with trade deals made

>>387066705
Everything's race with you people, isn't it?

>>387066705
How the fuck would that be even remotely true?

>>387066640
so you're saying you have to brainwash people and remove any free will of their own to make your favored governmental system work

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>>387052810
I'm more interested in a Fantasy Civilization game that uses legendary figures from each nation's history.

Think King Arthur, Siddhārtha Gautama, The prophet Mohammad, etc.

>>387066413
We don't really know yet, since so far Trump really hasn't done anyhting noteworthy, except maybe that travelling ban thingy. He just had half a year in office, give him some time and ignore the memers of both ends of the spectrum.

>>387066705
And that higher IQ has to do with a better educational system, which is also a by-product of a bit of socialism.

>>387066963
I didn't say race. Success is correlated with IQ much more than it is with race. Have you read The Bell Curve? You can ignore human biodiversity only so far, then you start getting actual tyrannical behavior like with the recent Google Memo and James Damore.

Pinochet and Rosas

>>387066247
>"MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE"
>sorry sir it appear that you've only subscribed to the minimum service, you're not eligible to an intervention from our teams of Mcfirefighters(tm) unless you provide us with 40.56 bitcoins

>>387067080
>have you read the bell curve
Be more of a fucking cliche, dude
The Bell Curve has been discredited so many times it isn't even funny

>>387052810
I would back-track to Civ 2 leaders.

All you get from them was different screen in diplomacy, few sets of AI assigned semi-randomly and absolutely no civ/leader/faction starting bonuses, unless you were lucky and got a tech or two.

Civ 3 system of pre-fixed bonuses was a mistake, due to how badly implemented it was. Civ 4 didn't help either (but at least C2C mod fixed most of issues and made things interesting and compelling). But then Civ 5 rolled in and fucked things beyond repair.

tl;dr - we need to go back.

>>387067075
>And that higher IQ has to do with a better educational system
Wrong, IQ is not improved by education, or even BETTER education.

>>387066983
Just look at the evidence. It's not hard to find. The Bell Curve is an excellent book that details all the evidence up to 1994.

>>387053329
>Miriam Godwinson
You mean Foreman Domai?

>>387066636

Just play civ 4 in general.

>>387067263
>>387067080
>MUH
>BELL
>CURVE
End you are life

>>387067161
The Bell Curve has never been discredited to my knowledge. IQ is the most rock solid thing the entire field of psychology has ever produced.

>>387067041
>The prophet Mohammad
yeah, good luck with that, nobody has the balls to do this, because they are all afraid of the controversy it would certainly create, even though this should be done lot's and in an in your face way because it would greatly offend his gayass followers.

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>>387066392
Genghis Khan was an actual leader to his people. He was brutal for sure, but most ancient conquerors were worse

>Alexander the Great killed an entire city's population of men because they wouldn't give in
>Julius Caesar killed 1/3rd of all Gauls, enslaved another 1/3rd, and left the last 1/3rd to rule over
>The Assyrians would regularly create mounds of skulls from their victims
>Vercingetorix forced all of the women, children, elderly, and infirm in a city to wander off and die to the Romans because he didn't want to feed them
>The Mayans would ritualistically sacrifice captives from conquered cities in brutal ceremonies

But yeah, Genghis Khan and Hitler are too much.

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>>387067263
>Wrong, IQ is not improved by education, or even BETTER education.
Just out of curiosity - so what's the current excuse for Americans to have average IQ of 96.8 and falling?
Because at least before you were putting the blame on shit-tier education that makes people into dumb robots filling-in standarised tests.

>>387067406
>Alexander the Great killed an entire city's population of men because they wouldn't give in
This was common practice up until the Renaissance
>julius Caesar killed 1/3rd of all Gauls
Militarized society
>enslaved
How things were

Genocide isn't a thing that's acceptable in the 19th or 20th century

>>387067263
>Wrong, IQ is not improved by education, or even BETTER education.
IQ is very much improved by being taught critical thinking and logical relations. Yes, there is somewhat of a fundament, but if you don't utilize that you functionally have a lower IQ.

>>387057037
>Special Bulding: Hanging Mussolini Corpse

>>387067381
Civ 2, THE most successful Civ made to date, did that and nobody complained.

So go fucking figure. The trick is to not portay the guy, that's all.

>>387052810
Philippe Auguste for france

>>387052810
Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito. Other nations represented by city states.

>>387067263
IQ comes from ability to apply logic and critical thinking. Something that good education system imprints on students, along with analytical skills.
So way to go, Junior.

>>387067519
Genocide was acceptable until we decided it wasn't in 1945. It's just part of history.

>>387067506
Immigration. Seriously. The numbers don't lie.

>>387067539
If you're talking about the difference between NO education, like being some kind of wild child raised by wolves, and basic education, then yes obviously you'll see a difference on IQ tests (though not in g). However the difference in IQ between high school education and completing a bachelors degree is negligible. It doesn't IMPROVE your IQ, higher education merely screens for it. It's why sending everyone and their mother to college hasn't made America any smarter, just more indebted.

>>387067263
Yes, anon, there is no relation with with fact countries with highest average IQ are also the countries with highest results for education system. Totally unrelated and not proved by series of extensive studies.
I mean I get it, American education is a joke, but no need looking for excuses or pretending it's not the reason why the country is so bad.

>>387067612
Not possible with leader scenes, unless you want to put some drapes over him and only show his silhouette.

Besides, Firaxis are probably afraid of being shot up by Muslims just for portraying Muhammad. It happened to Charlie Hebdo. Muslim terrorists are a huge problem in the West, and they don't want to risk it.

>>387056228

China isn't really communist, it seems more fascist than communist nowadays. It's missing to an extent the strong authoritarian leader (more bureaucratic than personality cult, but xi ping might change that) and racially Hanization is damn well emphasized when it comes to weegeee-gurs and Tibetans. Strong state control of the economy but also a willingness to co-opt capitalism to work with the state a'la the Nazis compared to the Soviets. You're now seeing the military chauvinism and irredentism. China shows no interest in trying to export gommunism to satellite states/vassals the way they and the USSR used to in the least. Mind you I hate communists and while I dislike fascists I'd sooner like them than commies

For Civ 7 however:

Churchill for Bongs
Lincoln for America
>>387059086
Mexican leader post conquistadors
Simon Bolivar.
King david or Solomon.
Nader Shah for Persia (Jazayerchi or zamburack camel-cannons as unique unit, some Safavid building for UB even if Nader was not a pure Safavid)

>>387067792
>IQ comes from ability to apply logic and critical thinking
Wrong, all of those things come from g, or General Intelligence. IQ is a reflection of g, as is ability to apply logic and critical thinking. g is largely genetic. Maybe you should actually READ The Bell Curve rather than just disregarding it because it contradicts what you feel should be, that all humans are equally capable. They're simply not.

>>387064213
If Venezuela isn't that shit then why are you chamos flooding Colombia running from Maduro?

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>>387067901
>Being this retarded
>Being this butthurt about failing education system
>Being so pathetic to fling shit at other, more successful systems
It's almost like that big dumb bully picking on smart kids and calling them "nerds", because he feels insecure about own stupidity.

Gou Jian/China
Unit: Prisoner. He had criminals on the front lines that did crazy shit to scare the enemy. Don't know how to make that a mechanic. But thats the rule.
+3 from bronze
They made stellar weapons of the legendary copper/tin winder alloy at the time. of which are still around today.
Swordsmith
+ attack for swordsman class

>>387067612
yes and that was 1996 when nobody cared about offending religious faggots, South Park got away with portraying him in one of the earlier episodes and nobody gave a fuck either and then in one of the later episodes it wasn't ok anymore, because everyone turned into giant pussies and not offending anybody is the most important thing ever now, especially if they are minorities. I stand by it, nobody would do this nowadays with the way society is right now, maybe in another 10 - 15 years.

>>387068037
>I never played Civ 2
Get out, underage

>>387068064
Maybe you should read more than ONE book that proves your retarded believes?

>>387068008
>Yes, anon, there is no relation with with fact countries with highest average IQ are also the countries with highest results for education system. Totally unrelated and not proved by series of extensive studies.
Did it ever occur to you that more intelligent societies would value education more, and devote more resources to it, and that less intelligent societies would not value education and would not devote resources to it?

Because generations of education has not helped minorities in Western nations improve their average IQ scores. It's merely enabled the more intelligent AMONG those minorities to attain more education than they would have in their home countries.

>>387068240
>1996 when nobody cared about offending religious faggots
>I'm also too young to remember 1996
Like I've already said, underages should leave this thread.

>>387068287

Not him but I am not seeing any evidence of Muhammad being in Civ 2. I started on Civ 3 and that came out in 2001, you know, 16 fucking years ago.

Australia - Gough Whitlam
Burma - General Aung San
China - Confucius
Egypt - Cleopatra
Ethiopia - Menelik II
France - Philip II Augustus
Germany - Adolf Hitler
Greece - Alexander the Great
Italy - Nero
Japan - Hideki Tojo
Norway - Olaf Tryggvason
Russia - Stalin
Spain - Isabella I
United Kingdom - Sir Winston Churchill
United States - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Vietnam - Phan Boi Chau

Would you buy?

>>387068287
Got any recommendations? If you have data that proves me wrong I'd love to see it.

>>387068170
Oh I agree the compulsory government education system is a catastrophe. You should read John Taylor Gatto. He goes into a lot of detail about how it came to be and what's wrong with it.

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>>387068170
It has nothing to do with education. The whitest US states are the ones with the highest IQ - higher than all of Europe and all of Asia, except for Singapore, South Korea, and Japan.

Oh, but I guess it's just that THEIR education system is the good kind, not the kind the rest of the US uses, because it's all about education and not about demographics.

>>387068329
>Because generations of education has not helped minorities in Western nations improve their average IQ score
Um... only that they did. So nice fantasy you have there, /pol/.

Also - there are barely any minorities in the first place in "western nations", aside certain country made almost entirely by immigrants from all over the world. And said minorities come from neighbouring countries, so please tell us all how German minority in France is a symbol of stupid illegal immigrant.
Oh, right, you forget world works differently outside America, what a surprise!

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>>387060142

>>387068287
You're not allowed to depict Muhammad's face outside of depicting Muhammad's Ascent.

>>387067381
>because they are all afraid of the controversy it would certainly create
They're afraid to fucking die is more like it.

>>387068443
Anon, leaders in Civ 2 were purely cosmetical. It was Civ 3 that made a (fuckload of) mistake(s) and introduced leaders with faces. In theory they've returned to "roots" of Civ 1, but Civ 2 allowed to have more countries with less effort, so go figure.

>>387056814
well, it seems to work for windows

>>387053982
>Charlemagne
Who would he represent?
>>387054067
>Andrew Jackson
Why would you want a failure to represent America?

>>387068630
And Civ 2 managed to work around that, since you have all leaders faceless.
Gee, how hard that was to do or figuring out?

>>387068383
Maybe someone gave a shit in the US, but certainly not were I live, I was blissfully ignorant, about the countless minorities and many sexual deviants, but today all I read is Muslims this, burka that and how Mohammed was actually a feminist, no studio will do this, it's neat idea, but let's face reality.

>>387068569
Education has not helped, but genetic mixing absolutely has. It's why there's a significant IQ gap between American Blacks and Sub-saharan Africans today.

>>387068569
There's been a lot of immigration into Europe for the last few decades, since WW2. Especially Great Britain allowing anyone from their colonies to move in and get citizenship. Again, if you have data showing me I'm wrong I'd love to see it and correct my thinking on the matter.

>>387068772
>Implying there are any non-failures to represent it.
Good one

>>387067306
You mean Ulrik Svensgaard?

SWEDEN:

sweden belongs to the migrants - not the sweden: -99% production on defensive buildings. swedish units have reduced healing in swedish territory, while enemy units have increased healing. state propaganda ensures little war weariness.

humanitarian superpower: swedish trade routes to other civilizations provide less gold to sweden (and more to the recipient), but more faith for sweden

immigrant: barbarian units will appear in swedish territory when all cities are happy

beta male: barbarian units will not appear in swedish territory, even when all cities are unhappy

commieblock ghetto: +2 housing. low production cost and no maintenance cost.

(preferred religion: islam)

>>387059628
>based Andrew Jackson
You mean failure Andrew Jackson
>>387062018
>killed the bank
That's not a good thing, even more so when it put the nation in a economical crisis.
>>387062074
>-The banker barons were trying to control the economy
Well we saw what happened when Jackson tried to control it, it crashed. Perhaps you white boys should just allow us Jew to run your economy because you obviously don't know how to do it.

>>387068986
EBIN

I want /pol/ to leave.

>>387068986
I am not offended by this post, I just want to ask you, did you really expect someone to laugh about this stale meme? Atleast mix it up somewhat, don't just repeat the same shit like you are on 9gag.

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>>387068957
>Teddy
>Failure

>>387058875
You don't have to treat it like a quest system to stay on top of science. It's not worth it most of the time.

Only about 40% of the social policies are useless, which is about how bad the Civ V ones were. Some of them are incredibly powerful but situational, some are just overall better than others, and some come way too late to be truly impactful while still being good.

You CAN stack different kinds of units. You can stack battering rams, siege towers, medics, engineers, and great people on top of other units. It's just limited for balance reasons.

The graphics are great, and it actually is far easier to distinguish what is where than in Civ V. At a glance I can tell what everything is. Plus, the artstyle looks fantastic. It's more cartoony like Civ IV, without going full Giraffe-Gandhi. Only 80% of the way there.

>lack of Civs
Every civ game has lacked civs in the base game. VI started with as many civs as V did.

Hitler, Germany
Mengde, China
Akhenaten, Egypt
John F. Kennedy, USA
Nero, Italy

These are the ones that immediately came to mind.

>>387068589
that ability is fucking insane.

>>387068959
Pirates were objectively the most stupid and unfitting factiong in the entire SMAC "franchise". Gameplay-wise they were fun, but fluff-wise that was so bad it was painful. Not even Data Angels were so bad

>>387068857
You called me underaged because I pointed that out you retard. I said that it couldn't be done nowadays because of leader scenes. It's not even like they could just remove the leader scene from Arabic versions of the game, since any depiction of Muhammad, except for his Ascent, is haram.

>>387069197
>Lost a sure-win election because of idiotic quarrel
>Ultimately left the country in debt
Yup.

>>387069269
Actually I couldn't replace Miriam with anyone else. Domai would be welcome as an 8th faction. Miriam's a humanist counterweight to the feverish runaway march of technology that every other faction gets into.

>>387068589
>custom civ
>the unique habilities and traits are retarded and unbalanced
like fucking clockwork

>>387069360
Pretty much every president has left our nation in debt. But the debt under Teddy wasn't even that high. Debt is healthy for economic growth.

>>387069313
>I said that it couldn't be done nowadays because of leader scenes
And I've said you can have it done WITHOUT leader scenes. It was a cancer eye-candy introduced fully in Civ 5 to keep attention you underages like you for more than 5 seconds.
>It's not even like they could just remove the leader scene from Arabic versions of the game
Which part of "you don't need retarded leader scenes" you didn't get the first, second and nth time around?

>>387052810
FDR

Louis 14

King Richard Lionheart

Vladmir Lenin

Charlemagne

Someone that isn't fucking Gandhi for the pooinloos

>unironically wanting to add Hitler
Hitler is a shit tier leader in German history.
I would rather pick Adenauer or Karl V.

>>387069445
>Miriam's a humanist counterweight to the feverish runaway march of technology that every other faction gets into.
>Miriam
>humanist
Here we go again. And Putin is a good guy, right?

>>387069459
>Debt is healthy for economic growth
Only if you are American and uneducated

>>387069512
>shit tier leader
>Turned a war-ravaged country fucked over by an unconditional peace treaty back into a global power in less than 2 decades
If it weren't for the whole ww2 thing, he'd be regarded as the best leader in german history.

>>387069360
>Got rid of monopolies
>Ensured food quality in America
>Protectors of the environment
>Saved the country from a economical disaster

>>387069501
>Someone that isn't fucking Gandhi for the pooinloos
Asioka would be nice. I think he was even one of the leaders in IV

And despite all the controversy it could create, I think Akbar I would be also a nice welcome. The best Mughal ruler and one of the best rulers in India's history. In fact, only Asioka was better.

>>387069550
Miriam's like "hey guys maybe self-aware cities automatically nerve stapling and killing dissidents is kinda bad mmmkay". Sure she's suspicious and hostile, but as the canon story and in-game ending show she indeed had good reason to be.

>>387069550
>>387069459
>>387069360
What kind of debt are we talking about here? To who?

>>387069176
>9gag
I don't even know what that website is about

and the YES meme is still a classic.

>>387069668
>>Turned a war-ravaged country fucked over by an unconditional peace treaty into indebted hellhole cooking own books and printing money, literally forcing the nation to go on war to try pay the debts it made
If there was no WW2, he would create a collapse a la Venezuela under Chavez.

>>387052810
Lal
Yang
Morgan
Miriam
Santiago
Zhakarov
Deidre

>>387069720
>>Protectors of the environment
Not him, but that wasn't Teddy starting the national parks and all. It's as common misconception as the "fact" Great Wall of CHina is visible from space

>>387069668
The fuck are you smoking. The German economy already started recovering before Hitler came to power and he took credit for all the economic achievements. All he did was dumbing down the population with his indoctrinations, causing a mass exodus of scientists and nearly bankrupting Germany by spending all the money for the military.
This "Hitler saved prewar Germany" myth has been debunked countless times and retards like you keep bringing this up. Educate yourself for fucks sake.

>>387069835
Sure, but you just dumped it in here without any creativity or nuance. It's stale.

>>387069803
Literally had a thread about it yesterday on /tg/. After a (suprisingly) civic debate everyone concluded that Miriam goes from "well, science is good and can be useful is done right" into "HURRR WE MUST DISSENT BECAUSE WE MUST DURRRR" bullshit the moment she starts lagging behind on her own and can't even grasp the new techs.

In short, it's less about "science is bad, because it leads to abuse and misery" and more about "science is bad, because I don't have it".

>>387067406
>>Vercingetorix forced all of the women, children, elderly, and infirm in a city to wander off and die to the Romans because he didn't want to feed them
They were going to die in the city if they stayed. Not his fault they were preyed on by brutal Latin savages.

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>>387069668
>he'd be regarded as the best leader in german history.
Honest question, how many German leaders do you know? I am curious.

>>387069960
He didn't start them but he did turn a lot of places into national parks.

>>387069668
Germany's economy would have collapsed without the war. It wasn't sustainable for peacetime and relied on exploiting conquered lands.

>>387070148
Like I've said, here we go again.
This is getting stale, so: >>387070121
I'm not going to repeat myself.

Miriam is ultimately the worst of all leaders, including SMAX. Maybe only Cha Dawn surpasses her.

>>387070191
Depends how far back I'd have to go in German history, do I have to go back to the """"Holy"""" """"Roman"""" """"Empire""""

>>387066582
More like "all cities forced to produce walls. -100% to hammers when bulding walls."

>>387070217
National parks come to exist AFTER his presidency. He couldn't do that, if it happend after

>>387069668
>let me tell you about your country

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>>387070093
>Joan of Arc
>Leader

>>387070301
The concept of "Deutschland" goes back much further, so sure.

>>387070139
They would've been fine if Vercingetorix didn't hole up in the city to try and wait out the Romans.

>>387070301
Germany has been a thing since Karel de Grote's Kangdom was split into three pieces.

>>387070368
>National Parks must be established by an act of the United States Congress. The first National Park, Yellowstone, was signed into law by President Ulysses S. Grant in 1872, followed by Mackinac National Park in 1875 (decommissioned in 1895), and then Rock Creek Park (later merged into National Capital Parks), Sequoia and Yosemite in 1890. The Organic Act of 1916
And they established 3 parks during his presidency. Crater Lake, Wind Cave and Mesa Verde

>>387068772
>Who would he represent?

Germany aka Holy Roman Empire

>>387070191
I'll have you know that I'm a full blooded 1/64th german-american and I'm fully aware of my proud teutonic past
go pray to your jews on sticks, I have seen the true faith of my superior nordic overlords
praise odin
14/88

>>387070191
Not him but most people don't even know about the Holy Roman Empire, and think that "Germany" existed as a nation-state prior to Bismarck.

>>387070734
But he was French and king of the franks

>>387059563
>>387060050

For what?
Hitler didn't accomplish a civilization. Atleast Attila the Hun died with a powerful organization, Hitler in history is literally a terrorist. He accomplished nothing and killed 60 million white people, allowed Communism to expand and ruined 130 million white lives.

Meanwhile Stalin put in motion the force of a nation that rivaled that of the entire West, and died to be proud of it.

Sorry, but I won't play a leader that died in his piss with a bullet in his brain delivered by himself.

>>387067612
>The trick is to not portray the guy, that's all.
Fucking this, its not that hard to have a few servants that speak on his behalf, or a trusted adviser to serve as the mouthpiece for Muhammed. Have Muhammed be mentioned to be in another room, and the servants/advisers are the ones present for him.

>>387070121
My impression was just the opposite. Really in the beginning her tech disadvantage is at its worst (she starts with ZERO research output), and towards mid and endgame science really is going too far. The canon story ends with Deirdre conquering the planet with weaponized parasites that kill with sheer weaponized terror and devour their victims while they scream and claw their eyes out.

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>>387070676
>Karel de Grote

>>387060050
>>387059563
See here: >>387061595

It is not about who did what, but rather how these guys are currently conceived by their people.

>>387067381
I cant understand this. Why is it certain Muslims get butthurt over images of Muhammed, but they dont get offended by images of Moses, Abraham or Jesus, despite all those three being prophets in Islam and are constantly being portrayed everywhere? Why dont they get mad over that only Muhammed?

The Quaran supposedly states that muslism shouldnt make ANY images of ANY LIVING CREATURE, but they dont care about that either

>>387059563
>wanting a jobber

>>387061595
>would meet heavy backlash and bad publicity in Germany.
It would probably get banned outright

>>387070442
>I never played Civ 3

>>387070467
>The concept of "Deutschland" goes back much further, so sure.
It goes back to Johann Gottfried Herder, who wrote a bunch of books about "Volk" in 1780s

Which nicely ties to the current interpretation that nation in modern sense is a modern concept created in the tail end of early modern period.

>>387070191
The only part of German history that non-Germans learn about is from 1933 to 1945 and that alone makes them German history experts apparently.

>>387071025
That's an option too. After all, why shouldn't you meet envoys and such, regardless of civ, really?

>>387071070
>he canon story ends with Deirdre conquering the planet with weaponized parasites that kill with sheer weaponized terror and devour their victims while they scream and claw their eyes out.
Nice headcanon you've got there, anon.
Like fucking all Miriamfags

>>387071261
>Why is it certain Muslims get butthurt over images of Muhammed
Because it's written down that you are not allowed to make images of him
>but they dont get offended by images of Moses, Abraham or Jesus
Because there is nothing that says you aren't allowed to make images of them

>>387071261
It's like someone said earlier it's only ok to depict Muhammad's Ascent. Everything else is haram, I actually don't know the exact reason, but I guess it's some idolatry argument or something.

>>387071489
Assassins' Redoubt never 4get

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>>387071357
>I never played Civ 3
>Because we made mistakes in the past it's ok to do them again

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>>387066437
>So you think that a person being unable to get healthcare because of pre-existing conditions is right?
Why should I have to pay for someone's healthcare? I came from wealthy and healthy parents, if you're the result of shitty genes you're an evolution dead end and I've no obligation to support someone sapping resources like a parasite from the more fortune ones.

>>387071357
It goes way before the 18th century. Around the time when the late Western Roman Empire was destroyed the inofficial term for the Germanic lands was "Regnum Theotericum" (or something like that) in Latin which translates into "Land of the People" and later evolved into Teutschland and eventually Deutschland.

>>387068505
>higher than all of Europe and all of Asia
I would seriously like to know where you got that information.

>>387071753
>2017
>Social darwinism, so edgy now