>MercurySteam involvement >Melee counter that trivializes

Your expectations are too high

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>>386992929
I'm just expecting a good 2D Metroid game like Super, ZM and Fusion. Is that really too much to ask considering it's been 13 years since ZM came out?

At least the counter and most of the abilities are completely optional

if you dont buy this. Then there is truly no hope for this franchise.

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>it's another ACfag thread with the same defeated arguments and filenames
Already preordered it. I'm going to have fun and your autism isn't going to stop me.

>>386993346
And if you do, you support locked content behind mcdonald toys that you wont even able to find.

Supporting Nintendo is supporting organized crime. Fuck nintendo

>>386993632
b-b-but McDonalds!
Your meme is shit and isn't going to catch on.

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>>386993580
I'm not ACfag, just underwhelmed from everything I've seen and honestly I would've much preferred if they just went with Dread instead of remaking Metroid II.

>>386993632
You don't need to worry about me. I'm not going to buy this game.

I'm definitely getting the Amiibos though, one of each.

We've already seen about 30 minutes of gameplay footage. Sadly, even if you don't use the melee counter, the enemies are still too exploitable. They don't attack you fast enough, there's too much room to dodge them, they don't do enough damage. Even if this was the very beginning of the game, they should be putting up a smidge more fight. The aeion abilities are even worse, as the rapid fire gun for example seems to ignore all I-frames, melting every enemy into pieces, while the scan reveals at least 25 rooms around you. I can't say I'm excited for that. of course I can chjoose not to use these abilities, but I will still consider it bad game design to even add in such abilities for the retarded children who can't be asked to play the damn videogame.

>>386992034
AM2R

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>>386992034
>essential content

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>30 FPS
Please be joking

>>386994961
>Playing dumb
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/07/29/metroid-samus-returns-fusion-mode-is-amiibo-exclusive

>>386995232
>ESSENTIAL
you're acting like you're paying $40 for a half game, where the other half is locked behind $12 pay wall.

I don't agree with the practice but you're misrepresenting the facts

>>386993580
Report him

>>386995449
Well technically I guess unless they locked the jump button behind DLC it wouldn't be 'essential' but the fact that features that were previously unlocked for free bye simply beating the game is now being locked behind an amiibo is pretty shitty.

>>386995449
It doesn't help that you still can't access the regular hard mode until playing the game through once, so it feels even more scummy that they lock super hard mode behind another obstacle.

>>386995232
>Fusion Mode aka Extra Hard Mode
>extra reserve tank
>extra aeion tank
>extra missile tank
>Sound Test
>art galleries
"""""""""""essential""""""""""
>Playing dumb
You wish you could claim that.

>>386992034
Kill yourself, falseflagging faggot

>>386995231
kill yourself if you care about fps on a fucking 240p handheld you autist

>>386995908
>>386995793
like I said, I think it's pretty shitty. I usually don't bother with super hard modes in games but I know others do. I don't like it and wish nintendo would change it.

Aside from that, It's very common for games to sell soundtracks and art galleries as separate premium addons (maybe in a limited edition or something).

>>386996336
>Aside from that, It's very common for games to sell soundtracks and art galleries as separate premium addons
And they should be called out as examples of corporate greed. If we continue letting it slide, it's just gonna get worse. Not even 3 years ago /v/ held Nintendo as the last bastion of true video games, not succumbing to paid online or microtransactions or blatant DLC, and when they did, they at least attempted to hide it or lessen its effects. But look at them now, people are willingly jumping at the opportunity to defend them when they do the same practices.

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>>386996136
ZM and Fusion were 60 FPS.

>>386996958
Its probably 30 fps because of the 3D effect. I hear its pretty good in this game.

>>386996668
???????

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>>386993632
>its an "Nintendo is worse than the mafia, triad and yakuza combined" episode

Nintendo makes questionable decisions, sure. Comparing it to organized crime is as retarded as blindly supporting the company

Isn't Fusion mode basically the included hardmode just with costumes? why is everyone acting like the amiibo unlocks anything other than cosmetics?

>>386996668
>But look at them now, people are willingly jumping at the opportunity to defend them when they do the same practices.
It's not defending them to recognize that what they're offering is hardly essential. Feel free to criticize amiibo, but don't lie about it in a vain attempt to sway public opinion.

Buy the game, skip the amiibos. That's how you vote with your wallet. If you skip the game itself because of the amiibos they're just going to assume it flopped and shelve 2D Metroid for over another decade. It reminds me of that retard who keeps posting "Boycott this so Nintendo makes Dread." Dread may or may not happen later, but it flat-out ISN'T going to happen if this game fails, because the wrong message will be sent.

>>386997354
Fusion mode is supposed to be harder than Hard Mode.

>>386997354
>Nintendo does something to increase their bottom line
>(((mature))) vtards take it as a personal attack on their intelligence

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>>386997156
I'd rather have 60 FPS, 2D Metroid has usually been relatively fast paced and it's easier to perform more precise movement options like wall and bomb jumps with a higher frame rate.

Nintendo of all people should know this as they always prioritize FPS over graphics and in some cases like Mario Galaxy the graphics are not only amazing but the frame rate is some how fucking 60. Samus Returns looks ugly and is 30 FPS on the other hand.

>>386997572
>If you skip the game itself because of the amiibos they're just going to assume it flopped and shelve 2D Metroid for over another decade
If THIS is their best effort, then perhaps it should be shelved. They already shoved out Fed Force and Other M and pretty much demanded that we love them or else. I'm not gonna be blackmailed into buying a game just because they have the IP hostage.

>>386997772
the 3DS is much weaker than the wii

>>386997806
>If THIS is their best effort, then perhaps it should be shelved.
And you're free to feel that way. Just don't get upset if you skip the game and 2D Metroid does get shelved again.

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>>386997806
>I'm not gonna be blackmailed into buying a game just because they have the IP hostage.

You purposefully being stupid

>>386998024
I thought they could do better after two disasters in a row, but I guess they're idiots who have no idea how to make a video game, so you won't hear complaints from me. Infact, I'll probably be too busy playing that one game that /v/ hates because it doesn't have nintendo's official (tm) seal of approval.

>>386998136
That's exactly what they did with Fed Force though. After low sales they specifically made a Nintendo direct to passive aggressively attack the fanbase for not lapping up their diarhhea.

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>>386997960
Fair point but Samus Returns' art direction isn't exactly doing much for me either. Seems kind of empty and not much detail in the backgrounds.

>Couple crystal clusters
>Some pillars

>>386998191
>fter low sales they specifically made a Nintendo direct to passive aggressively attack


Source? i dont recall anything like this

>>386998343
There's some Chozo ruins that show up in some of the other gameplay footage. I don't blame you for not catching it, though, because it kinda blends into the background.

>2017 Nintendo

no chance

>>386998191
>fed force is bad, so this will be
>acting like he has a stick up his ass because some people here like n and he doesn't

Ok then bud

>>386997806
>If THIS is their best effort, then perhaps it should be shelved.
Honestly this. As much as I love the series, Super is my favorite game of all time, it just seems like they don't know what the hell to do with the series anymore.

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>>386998343
I've seen plenty of fottage that has some detailed backgrounds, and tht has stuff moving and going on in them

>>386998343
Are you fucking dumb nigger. Every Metroid has generic backgrounds and not that much going on compared to something like castlevania.

>>386998480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCY1eQNAjs

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>>386998746
That looks much better. So far I've only seen the area that I posted earlier and the lava one and both just looked very simple and bland.

>>386998836
(You)

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>>386998986

>>386998951
I just watched that whole thing and i didnt come across Anything that can be interpreted as "aggressively attacking fans"

>>386998986
Top left: Pillars with red light
Top middle: Wire and darkness
Top left: mostly darkness and other generic alien lifeforns
Middle left: Rock and a Chozo statue
Middle middle: just fucking kraid
Middle right: plants me plant pillars
Bottom left: generic metal background and lava
Bottom middle: generic junkyard
Bottom right: just fucking Ridley flying

Tell me again how these are groundbreaking or revolutionary you fucking faggot

>>386999196
It was essentially several minutes of "PREASE UNDERSTANDU" over and over, without any recognition as to why nobody liked the game.

>>386999353
Did you expect an apology video of them canceling the game? Obviously they're going to give footage/explain the mechanics of the game and "shill" like any other developer direct. You don't get special treatment just cause you're metroid fans.

>>386999795
I expected them to learn from their mistake of Metroid: other M and not try to peddle garbage in our general direction.

>>386994084
3 years later and we're still calling them McDonald's toys. Keep crying

>>386999123
Neat.

When Nu-troid: Fagus Shitburns flops, the fanboi tears will sustain me for weeks, maybe even months. I shall descend upon this board like a wolf upon a lamb, and bask in the unending impotent rage that this board will pump out. I will gaze upon the suicide threads and rage posts, and I don't think my penis will ever be harder than it will as a million Nu-troid apologists cry out in itty bitty white boi penis fury simultaneously.

They'll try to convince themselves it was a rigged. They'll try to convince themselves that Sony had pulled a fast one on them.

"We will boycott!" They will say. "Console war!" "Day of the crash!" they will cry.

Time will pass, and they will do nothing because all they can do is talk. They are too cowardly and weak to do anything

But none of that will balm the pain of knowing that their God Developer, their favorite franchise, will go down in history as an amusing foot note, an embarrassment, as the loud obnoxious DLCfest who lost to the AM2Rdev's first commercial gane, a Dev who the entire nation thought was a literal criminal but still preferred to Nu-troid.

I need to fap.

>>386998024
Who's getting upset? This is exactly what actual fans want.

>>386992034
Melee counter doesn't trivialize the combat, we already know the first Metroid evolution has an uncounterable move. There will still be things you have to dodge. Otherwise I agree, especially about the Aeon scan. That is some retarded shit. If it was a late-game ability or at least required a serious resource investment it might be okay, but in its current form it basically trivializes the exploration and can be spammed constantly.

inb4 don't use it Balance matters you faggots, I shouldn't have to cripple myself to stop the game from breaking. The developer should design their mechanics better

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>>387002254
>being unable to resist the urge to use an optional feature

>>387002434
>I can choose to ignore the bad game design, therefore it's okay, therefore you can't criticize it

Stop.

>>387002498
It makes the game accessible to people who dont feel like bombing every wall to look for the next exit, while still being optional to peope who want a tradiitonal experience.

Unless you want something that was forced upon you like Zero missions waypoints.

I'm legitimately concerned about the combat system specifically the counter. It seems to me all the enemies are predisposed to act very agressively and dash towards samus on sight allowing for the quick counter and repeat and repeat throughout the majority of the game.

I really hope this isn't the case. I know boss battles are going to be a more interesting but I don't want to repeat counter/kill every single monster...

>>387002792
Then don't use the counter

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>>387000378
nice pasta.

>>387002824
>Game is balanced around it
>First boss makes you explicitly use it
The 'ignore key gameplay mechanic you don't like' argument isn't a strong one because it's exactly that: a core mechanic.

>>387002671
It makes the game accessible to retards, who shouldn't be playing a series focused on exploration if they don't actually like exploration. It doesn't just reveal a portion of one room (like Super Metroid's scan visor), it reveals a giant section of the map, and can be used indefinitely as long as there's enemies nearby to farm.

Again, balance matters, it doesn't make one difference if it's technically optional or not. They put it in the game, they made it a major ability with its own cinematic, they clearly want the player to use it. It's just so poorly designed that people who actually desire a decent experience are forced to not use it.

>>387002792
I've seen several enemies that dont charge at you. Even so, most metroid enemies in the past dont even TRY to attack you. They just float awkwardly.

I just finished playing the original metroid 2 and i dont see the worry. That game was hella easy, at the very least the remake will be harder than that.

>>387002962
>t makes the game accessible to retards


Ok well sorry but retards make up a big portion of the playerbase. Rememeber why cant metroid crawl?

Kind of wish they just added amiibo stuff for DLC for $5 to shut people up. There you can now give Nintendo money for the extra stuff whether or not you want to toy.

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>>387002434
>game is retardedly casual
>"dude don't use those features"
>don't use them
>game is still retardedly casual

That fixed nothing.

I'm not expecting the second coming of Super Metroid, I'm expecting a Kirby Triple Deluxe or Planet Robobot. Just a good, consistent entry into the series. And I'm excited because Nintendo hasn't wanted to give us a decent Metroid game in over a decade.

>>387002962
Even on the stream at E3 they said if you really want just shot everything in sight and don't use it. The Aeon abilities are there if you want it but isn't mandatory. Do you cry over the power leaf in 3D World?

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>>387003050
Pauly was just a troll though.

>>387003050
The thing is, I bet that person eventually figured it out, and eventually beat the game, and became a better player for it. Adding braindead features doesn't help bad players, it just makes them further dependent on casualization. It's a vicious cycle that prevents them from real growth. Super Metroid isn't even hard.

>>387003190
Yes as a matter of fact. I want the disgusting casual vermin to jump off a cliff and leave my hobby alone.

>>387003190
That's called marketing, dumbass. Do you seriously take everything the Treehouse says at face value? Of course they give every game they show off the best possible spin.

>>387003374
Well they have the game and you dont, os yeah. In fact ive yet to see a single negative preview on this game. People have had nothing but good things to say about it. Usually, if a game is the dumpster fire you claim Samus Returns will be, there would be at least SOME sort of negative reception.

Im not saying its the end all be all, you know "shilling" and what not, but maybe, just maybe its a good game?

>>387003283
WHY DID THEY GIVE YOU A MAP WE HAD IT BETTER WHEN WE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING IN PAPER AND PEN?!

>>386995908
>It doesn't help that you still can't access the regular hard mode until playing the game through once

This has been a thing for at least two decades now, is there so little left to throw shitfits about that we need to cry about having to play regular mode once to unlock hard mode as a reward? Shit, every Metroid game after Super has done it, why weren't you faggots boycotting the games back then?

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>>387003573
They're corporate scum, so they're automatically wrong. Also, they've lied for years about game quality in many other installments. So my opinion supercedes every single one of theirs.

Pic related will demonstrate why.

>Essential content gated behind limited edition physical DLC

This is a really silly thing to complain about when you were just going to pirate the game anyway

>>387003616
As a paying customer, I'm allowed to complain about whatever I want. If you don't like it, leave. marketing and advertising will not be tolerated here.

>>386995232
Which part of that is essential?

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>>387003668

>>387003673
>Pirate game
>Nintendo assumes no interest due to low sales
>Kill the series
Fuck off.

>>387003668
Fuck not you again

>>387003573
I didn't even say Samus Returns would be a "dumpster fire", enough with the retarded console warrior strawmen. I'm just being real here. I plan to support the game but I'm not going to pretend it's going to be perfect. And if you trust the word of the gaming press then I can only ask you to stick around and pay attention, until you realize just how gullible you are.

p.s. ignore ACfag or whoever the fuck it is making those other intentionally stupid replies

>>387003593
Well Etrian Odyssey IS pretty good.

>>387003756
Did you complain about having to do normal mode first to unlock hard mode with any other game? Do you rage about having to play the game to unlock anything? Is your demand that there be no secrets or anything to work for, give it to you all at the beginning and have nothing to be rewarded with?

>>387003850
>>387003793
What was that about popular opinion always being right, and game journos never being allowed to be questioned?

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Don't mind me, I'm just waiting to see the game bomb come September. It'll be glorious watching /v/ go up in flames as the final nail in the coffin will seal this tired franchise for good.

>>387003937
Yes, as a matter of fact. Secrets I understand needing to work for, but difficulty should be available at the start of the game. I want the game's absolute best. You know what game did this? AM2R.

>>386995232
>replaying the game with the fusion suit is essential
I'd rather keep my immersion in tacked by using the correct power suit.

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>>387003786
They are holding the highest difficulty mode hostage behind physical DLC that is already limited in quantity, previous Metroid games allowed for you to obtain the highest difficulty by beating the game.

It's essential because it's a part of the base game that is on the cart and directly affects gameplay and also happens to be something that all previous Metroid games gave you for free as already stated.

>>386996136
>fps doesn't matter if the resolution is garbage too
That doesn't make any sense mate

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>>387003573
Suddenly /v/ takes the word of journalist to heart. Well, which is it?

>>386995232
you still get hard mode without the amiibo, fusion mode is something separate
>but muh concept art gallery

>>387004093
Previous metroid games did not have a very hard mode.

>>387003954
I don't know or care, I'm sick of seeing your parroted horseshit every single time there's a Metroid or Zelda thread, ACfag.

>>387004034
I'm sure you did, poopsie.

>needing to mention AM2R

So Fusion, the Prime Trilogy, and Zero Mission are Other M-tier garbage and the most horrible games ever made for making you work for a reward as well? Why do you even like this franchise?

I can't fucking believe some of you people are actually defending the amiibo bullshit.
Did Nintendo slide it in slow with the KY or did they just fuck your bleeding assholes raw?

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>>387004189
They did have a hardest mode though which Fusion mode is analogous to. Fusion mode should be unlocked for beating the game under a certain amount of time not behind an amiibo.

>>387004034
This is really stupid. Some hard modes require you to know thegame in and out so it makes sense for you to have completed the game first.

Tropical freeze's hard mode for example, takes away checkpoints, you can only take one hit, and you can play as any kong individually. Not only is it a reward for beating the game, but it tests your skills.

>>387004239
If you don't like amiibos, don't buy them?

>>387004239
/v/ used to have unironic amiibo collection threads, there are plenty of people here who bought into that shit day 1. And there are many more who grew up in an industry where DLC was the norm, so the concept of getting a complete game out of the box is foreign to them.

>>386992034
At this point, I have more faith in MecurySteam than Nintendo

>>387004204
>So Fusion, the Prime Trilogy, and Zero Mission are Other M-tier garbage
Fusion, yes. It's also Other M garbage, and they even removed the hard mode because it was too videogamey for the "cinematic" audience Sakamoto was aiming for.

Prime Trilogy and Zero mission should've had hard modes from the start, and there's no valid defense for them not having it.

>>387004329
Ironically, fusion did not have a hard mode at all in its original release.

>>387004093
You can play the game without it, though. That does not make it essential. It is a scummy move to not have be available without the amiibo (or any form of DLC), but calling it "essential" is overselling it. Most players won't even bother with Hard mode, and they could not care less about an even harder difficulty. That does not make it right, but still not essential.

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Which one?

>>387004341
And why can't I access that from the start? It's my decision, don't take it from me.

Fucking 6 years and ACfag hasn't stopped.

>>387004449
How can you possibly beat 2gun?

>>387004342
>reggie went in raw with a bit of spit
At least you admit it, nintendiaper

>>387004414
Ironically, the game used sprites, ran at 60 FPS and had all content on the cart free of charge aside from the initial purpose, is the hardest 2D Metroid game and came out 15 years ago.

>>387004504
Why should you be able to?

>>386999329
>trivializing things

>>387004398
So all video games in the history of video games that didn't have multiple difficulty settings are Other M-tier cinematic garbage made by evil Jews who hate you and want your shekels because customers demand movies.

>>386997772
Chances are Samus Returns is purely to test the waters. I imagine the next 2DTroid will be on the Switch at 60FPS, maybe with sprites or at least a better artstyle with the 2.5D formula SR is using.
>Nintendo will never get Wayforward to help make a Fusion sequel

>>387004398
>fusion yes

Fuck off AC fag.

>>387004562
I'm not buying the amiibos though.

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>>386992034
>>Aeon abilities that remove exploration from the game

>>386999329
Okay putting aside the massive trivialization despite none of those correlating with one another
>Top left: Pillars with red light
It's called shading.
>Bottom right: just fucking Ridley flying
You're not even talking about the background here
Fuck off

>>387004646
BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE GAME AND I DEMAND EVERYTHING BE AVAILABLE TO ME FROM THE START I'M THE CUSTOMER I EXPECT TO BE CATERED TO AND FORCING ME TO NOT HAVE EVERYTHING AT THE BEGINNING IS JEWISH SCUM PRACTICES ITS WHY I HAVE NEVER WASTED MY MONEY ON ANY VIDEO GAME AT ALL BECAUSE I HAVE TO WASTE MY TIME GETTING CHARACTERS AND THINGS I SHOULD HAVE FROM THE START I WANT A COMPLETE GAME NOT TO BE FORCED TO PLAY A GIMPED PIECE OF SHIT

>>387004646
Because I'm paying 40 bucks for it, and I'm the damn paying customer. Plus you as a company owe that to me since you're keeping another difficulty behind a paywall.

>>387004673
In a sense you could argue that. Games need challenge, we need to stop coddling the babies.

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>>387004930

>>387004950
>Because I'm paying 40 bucks for it, and I'm the damn paying customer.


By that logic, every game ever made should have nothing unlockable and everything should be avaliable to you from the start.

>>387004950
So video games from the days of and including Asteroids and Pong have been catering to babies and been incomplete Jewish creations designed to steal our money because they didn't have at least ten difficulty settings.

>>386992034
Looking forward to it

Have you all tried NOT being whiney white boys and enjoy video games?

>>387003050
>why cant metroid crawl?
To be fair, as a newcomer to the series that's a valid point. Obviously every veteran would be laughing in that person's face

>>387004446
it being essential is really up to the individual playing, weather they can beat the higher difficulty or not.

>>387005075
Was that so difficult to understand?

>>387005089
>>387005075
Those games should also have difficulty modes, and they should be accessible from the start. Why does this trigger you so? You act like you have a personal stake in how the game performs, almost like you're marketers.

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>>387005285

>>387005285
>resorting to "you're shills and marketers!"
when people try to have a discussion with him

Let's not troll even harder than you already are, you're already got two people on your hook.

>>387005285
Why do you continue to call me a marketer when I'm trying, struggling to have a legitimate conversation with you?

>>387005497
Only a marketer would keep questioning why I want the entire game available to me from the start.

>>386993179
There is a massive difference between Super and Fusion. If your standards are between top and bottom, I'm sure this game will do well enough.

>>387005497
because you're talking to a fucking child, that's all this place is

>>387005371
>>387005419
>>387005497
>Why do you continue to call me a marketer when I'm trying, struggling to have a legitimate conversation with you?
why do you consider me worse than Hitler when I simply want difficulty modes unlocked from the beginning? There's no reason to lock them behind other difficulty modes. if your game is well designed, I'll pick up on the mechanics in any mode. I shouldn't need my hand held in such a haphazard manner. all I said was "I'd like this to be available from the start" and you erupt into shitposting.

>>387005961
>why do you consider me worse than Hitler

Point out where any of us said that, ACfag.

>>387006198
Gee, I don't know. >>387004930

When you have to caps lock and use absurd strawmen arguments just to prove a point, it really makes you think.

>>387005961
My confusion comes from your thinking that you are entitled to all kinds of unlockable in any game, when a lot of the fun in games comes from unlocking stuff.

And I never called you hitler.

None of the amiibo unlocks are essential content

>>387006361
You're talking to multiple people here, you realize that?

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>>387006513
>Sound test
>Art gallery
>Difficulty mode

>Not essential

>>387006361
Wasn't me, retard.

>>387006516
This is one of ACfag's main schticks, he treats everyone who isn't him and doesn't agree with him as a singular person, so he'll accuse you of calling him a Sonybro when you never mentioned Sony and tell you that you love Other M because ten positive reviews in an article made back in 2013 exist.

>>387006617
>Optional shit
>Essential

Agree on the harder mode though

>>387006424
>>387006516
>>387006673
If you want unlockables in your game, give me a better justification for them. Difficulty modes have no justification for being behind any sort of wall, let alone a paywall. Infact, go ahead. Try and justify it right now.

>>387006673
I'm familiar with AC fags methods.

>>387006617
Not even close.
>Optional extra difficulty mode
>Optional way to see developer art that is usually sold with limited edition copies with other games
>A fucking sound test

>>387006797
Why bother when you're going to do your usual thing and dismiss/ignore them. You do it with everything else, what makes this any different.

>>387006927
You could always link to someone else making a proper justification if you don't feel like putting in the effort. I'll accept that too.

>>387006617
The difficulty mode is forced with a fusion suit which shouldn't exist for another 3 games.
Sound test and art gallery add nothing to the game.

>>387006797
Difficulty modes that change the way the game is played should have to be unlocked. For example, Nuclear throne's hard mode starts you off as if you've looped the game. It gives you access to things that aren't in the main game either. It's something you have to work for.

Be honest: did you really expect modern Nintendo would be able to be trusted to respect any series that isn't Mario or Pokemon?

>>387007001
>Sound test and art gallery add nothing to the game.
Except for a sound test and art gallery both of which are nice features for players upon completing the game.

>>387006976
You ignore every link people give you, too. Seven years, ACfag, only the newfags don't know your routine by now.

>>387007027
Okay, I see what you're saying. What you're describing is new game +, which requires a first playthrough.

THANK YOU. This is a justification I can get behind. If the "hard mode" has a bunch of stuff that wouldn't fit in a normal playthrough, I can see the justification, just like with AM2R which also had a new game + mode.

>>387007208
See? The guy I replied to gave me a nice, simple justification, and I could perfectly live with that if hard mode had some kind of incentive to require normal mode first. Maybe something that's literally impossible to do on a first playthrough. Was that so hard sweetie?

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>>387007293
What are your thoughts on HK, seems to fit your criteria for a good game.

Guys look I'm shitting on the game again! Can't wait to do it with Prime 4 too!

>>387007293
People said that hard mode needing to be unlocked is a reward for playing the game eariler in the thread and you ignored and dismissed them. Why is what he said so special, in order for you to try to boast about a petty "victory"? You're also still raging about having to unlock characters and other things through gameplay as rewards, I do recall that your complaint is "Why should ANYTHING be locked away from me?".

>>387007413
ACfag thinks the only good games are Asteroids and Dwarf Fortress.

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>>387007861
That's not true.

>>387007636
I said there needs to be a good reason for it to be locked away.

>People said that hard mode needing to be unlocked is a reward for playing the game eariler in the thread and you ignored and dismissed them.
Because that's just the normal game, but with a higher difficulty. New game plus is unique because it's not just a higher difficulty. It has its own brand of game mechanics that wouldn't work on a first playthrough. Things that go beyond just difficulty, but entirely different ways to play it.

>>387007413
I actually love Hollow Knight if that's what you're referring to. Beautifully crafted game, and the new game + perfectly justifies itself.

>>387004840

That just gave you a map and let you know that an item was in a room. The Aeon ability reveals all the hidden paths and tells you exactly where the item is.

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>>387007989
Yes it is, I just started it myself. I just finished the first fight with Hornet in the forest area and I agree so far it's great, my only complaint is the healing mechanic feels like it slows down the flow sometimes but that's a pretty minor nitpick for what's been a great experience so far.

>>387006617

>Sound test
>Art gallery

The contents of both will be available for free on the internet pretty much the second the game releases.

>Difficulty mode

A hard mode is available after beating the game once. Fusion Mode just unlocks it from the outset and gives you a Fusion Suit skin.

>>387008246
I actually think the health mechanic is pretty unique. It's almost like regenerating health, but you need "ammo" of sorts from enemies, you need alot of time to stand still and enact it, and in high octane fights that's not gonna happen. The positives and negatives definitely weigh against eachother. But it's a good kinda balance so you're not just ducking behind cover to regain health since you also have to sacrifice your ammo for ranged attacks.

>>387007989
So you don't like being rewarded or having to work for anything, got it. Just another thing about video games that you absolutely need to spend fifty threads a day shitposting about because Other M permanently damaged you seven years ago.

>>387007986
AM2R has cutscenes that take control away from you, seems hypocritical of you to like it that much, especially when you have a pirated modded copy of Super Metroid with the very short intro removed and needing to fast-forward one of the best scenes in gaming history.

>>387008462
I do like that it takes place in real time, it adds a lot to the combat like the Hornet fight I just finished was a ton of fun because I had to balance between offense and defense. My complaint is just when I mess up a platforming section or get hit by a cannon fodder enemy and I have to take a few seconds, it just adds up over a while but it's nothing too major.

Are there any health upgrades in this game or is it 5 HP the whole game through?

>>387008469
>So you don't like being rewarded or having to work for anything, got it.
I keep telling you, I'll be happy to work for it, but you gotta give me a better reason.

>>386992034
from the gameplay shown so far, it looked fun

so I'm going to buy it. Plus, Castlevania has had melee items since the beginning. It's not a crazy stretch for a melee feature to be in Metroid.

>>387008645
I believe you can upgrade by 3 masks(?) and you can get about 3 extra energy containers. ontop of that I believe 4+ charms add to your health, and you can find blue cocoons that further give you more temporary health.

>>386992034
>Mercurystream
>3DS
It's guaranteed shit, just hold out for Prime

>>387000128
I don't even own any amiibo.

>>387008743
Being rewarded for good playing isn't enough for you? Having something to work for doesn't motivate you? You can't simply enjoy building your 100% completion?

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>>387008968
/thread

>>387008834
Melee goes against everything Metroid was created to stand for, but of course all of the Other M lovers demand every Metroid game to be full of naked Samus punching everything.

>>387009086
For a hard mode, no that's not really worth it. If it's a new game plus, then yes there is more justification. It all lies in the big difference between them. One is just the main game with more difficulty, the other is a completely revamped experience, oftentimes with new game mechanics.

>>387000128
*I'm still calling them

>>386992034
Does it really matter? AM2R already perfected Metroid 2

What bothers me the most in the game is the 360 aiming, actually.

It looks like it's going to slow down the pacing of the game, and make aiming more of a hassle than it was before.

All gameplay videos I've watched so far show people, even the nintendo reps, fiddling a bit to aim diagonal shots, something that you'd be able to do in a split-second with the old should-button diagonal lock mechanic.

I hope the option to revert back to the diagonal lock button is in there, or I'll be disapointed.

>>387009191
It's still a Metroidvania game, the Vania half has already embraced melee and it works. It doesn't go against the core tenants of Metroid at all.

and I'm saying this as a guy who hated Other: M and it's shit gameplay.

>>387009420
>It doesn't go against the core tenants of Metroid at all
>franchise where you shoot and only shoot enemies
>melee doesn't go against this

Sakamoto fans, evenyone.

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>>387009537
>Sakamoto
>Bad

>>387009537
Oh please, I'm not a fan of Sakamoto or Tanabe. I don't waifu the designers like some faggot.

I'm a Metroid fan first and foremost, and I don't mind a little change every now and then. because change gave us the Prime series. A small, optional, change in gameplay is not the end of the world. It's just another way to kill enemies, another way to reach the end.

>>387009629
He barely did anything with those except for Fusion which was a dry run for MOM. MOM is where he had full and total control. Let's not bring back anything from it, melee included.

>>387009537
>franchise where you shoot and only shoot enemies
>Doesn't know about screw attacking and shinesparking through enemies

Shitposters who have never played a metroid game, everyone.

>>387009776
>optional
Already been confirmed to be required for the first boss through the gameplay footage we've seen.

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>>387007986
ACfag since you like mechs and all that shit, are you a fan of Kaiju?

>>387009843
And those aren't karate-chopping Space Pirates and tackling Metroids to stab their heads with her cannon and shoot them point-blank. Bad enough Sakurai first did it in Smash Bros, then Sakamoto had to ruin her completely.

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>>387009825
>The director barely did anything

>>387009864
then adapt, or die. simple as that.

>>387009953
What are the core tenets of metroid and why is shooting (and ONLY shooting) an essential part of it?

>>387009991
How about not having it in in the first place? That okay, or do you need your cinematic experience melee attack so badly?

>>387010091
1. Isolation
2. Shooting enemies with beams and missiles with the only non-shooting being Bombs, Screw Attack, and Speed Booster
3. No cutscenes or removing control from the player
4. Samus is silent and strong

Why are Metroid fans so insufferable?

>>387010213
You missed the most important one. The actual core tenant of Metroid. I don't know if I can take you seriously anymore.

>>387010310
Other M irreversibly tarnished the fanbase.

>>387010094
Maybe the devs wanted to try something new? Adding additional game play features to remasters or new games in a series is a fairly common practice, even for Nintendo.

If you really struggle that much with change, might I recommend going back and playing the older games in the series or AM2R. They are all quite good, and provide a more "traidtional" experience for people like you.

>>387010363
>lists four thing Metroid was since the beginning until Fusion happened
>"lol nope you missed the most important thing of all!"

And what would that be?

>>387010443
I do except for Fusion and MOM and FF and I wish SR was up to those standards instead of in the garbage with the three mentioned games.

>>387010213
>3. No cutscenes or removing control from the player
So I take it you never played Super Metroid?

>people are butthurt over a fucking melee attack being added
This game could come with free blowjobs from Samus and you'd still be upset

>>387010659
That's why I have a special modded version that removes the entire intro and I fast forward through that one spot in the Mother Brain fight.

>>387010653
Then maybe you should start a change.org petition, to see if others actually care about your gripes, Maybe Nintendo will consider changing these things in the future, just for you.

Or you could just stop being a faggot and try and play the game before dismissing it for a new feature.

>>387010769
I'd be upset over that as well, bad enough Nintendo turned her into a brainless slut who gets naked every chance she gets.

>>387010653
The number one core tenant of Metroid is
1. Growing stronger through exploration

That's it. That's what the entire game is based around. That's what makes it fun and makes it work. The rest is all just aesthetics that gel well with that theme.

Can you explain to me why "Shooting enemies with beams and missiles with the only non-shooting being Bombs, Screw Attack, and Speed Booster" is a core tenant? Why is it essential to the Metroid experience in your opinion?

Oh, and what about the grapple beam? Hell, you can take out a boss with that thing in Super Metroid and its damn near essential to kill certain enemies in Prime 3.

>>387010915
When that new feature was inspired by the worst game in the franchise and is put into a remake of an older game to appeal to the children who need to punch things with QTEs, judgment will always be passed immediately.

>>387009629
>good game, albeit too easy
>glorified trash
>okay game ruined by Sakamoto's fetish for latex

33%. Interesting.

>>387000128
>we're

Speak for yourself, faggot.

>>387010310
Like what Halo Reach did to the Halo fanbase on /v/, Metroid Other M reveal the Metroid fanbase on /v/ for what they really are.

>>387009843

The difference being that the Screw Attack and Shinespark, like the standard beam, allow you to attack enemies without ceasing movement. The melee counter and 360 degree aiming require you to stop in your tracks to attack.

>>387011072
Like I said, start a petition to see if you can find more like-minded individuals.

>>387011006
Growing stronger using ranged attacks while alone on an alien world. Fusion and Echoes laid the groundwork for these to all be shat upon in Corruption and especially Other M and Federation Force and now they're forcing it into the older games. When they remake Super Metroid it will have the Sense mechanic from MOM and a group of GF amrines following you around and everyone will eat it right up.

>>387011502
The word "ranged attacks" there just seems so arbitrary.

I suppose I could say something like "Growing stronger using the Varia Suit (which would disqualify Fusion if I didn't like that game)" or "Growing stronger and gaining the Ice beam (which would disqualify Fusion again, and corruption)"
or "Growing stronger using infinite ammo beams(which would disqualify Echoes, if I didn't like that game)" or "Growing stronger and recovering the screw attack (which would disqualify prime 1)" or "Growing stronger by stacking beams (goodbye Prime 1 and 2)".

It just seems like you're singling out this one thing because you want to be contrarian, when in fact the Metroid series has been trying different shit all along while following the core gameplay loop of "find hidden items, get rewards."

It seems like you would be the kind of guy that would shit all over the X-ray visor in Super before ever playing it.

>>387008217
It's basically the x-ray scope from Super Metroid with limited uses.

>>386992034
Translated:
>bla bla bla I'm still mad about a fan game

>>387012087
This.

>>386995232
Just pirate the game when 3DS emulation picks up and use the "have amiibo" cheat to fool the game into thinking you have it

>>387006856
>its optional because nintendo said it is

>>387011951
noooOOOOOOO IT'S DIFFERENT IT'S WORSE IT'S NOT LIKE IT AT ALLL SHUT UUUP STOP ARGUING AGAINST MY NARATIIIIVE AAAAaaaaAAAAAAaaa

>>386992034
No, AM2R blew it out of the fucking water

>>386992034
No.

Any game with Metroid in the title is automatially garbage.

>>386992034
dunno but I'm pirating it

>>386992034
How dare they make the enemies from 2d metroids be able to do more than moving in one direction, such a fucking outrage, i'm appaled that the combat is now more dynamic and fast paced, instead of just pointing and shooting, and how dare they put just 1 ability with limited uses thats basically the same as the X-Ray in Super Metroid, i can already tell you guys i'd never use such a shit ability, cause i'm hardcore like that

And how fucking dare these people that have been able to play this game, enjoy it and be so hopeful and positive about it

I'm so fucking triggered i already preordered the amiibos and legacy edition

>>386993179
It's gonna be fine. I don't listen to these fuckheads on here. These morons got mad at Amiibo DLC/Locked Content , meanwhile it's been going on for years now. No surprise what so ever. And surprise people are still going to support this game because they want more games. These threads are getting tiresome.

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>>386992034

>Is there any chance that this game is going to be good?
I'll tell you after I play it. The original Metroid II is still my favorite Metroid game so it has a lot to live up to. But I am also required to try it just because it is a remake of my favorite Metroid. I'm also buying it just to make /v/ angry.

>>387014058
How can it blow it out of the water when it's not even out yet?

>>386995232
>Refilling stuff
>240p Art
>Zero Suit
>Essential

There's a very small chance it MIGHT be good but this gating of content is bullshit so I'm not buying it.