>walk 5 steps >encounter random demons >half of my party

GIT GUD LOL

too hardcore for you bitch?

The game is easy as hell after that. Also grind Gremlin if you can't handle her at all

turn on easy mode

don't worry the game becomes piss easy right after her and never picks up again

>>386981087
It becomes piss easy after that part, with the exception of some boss fights.

>>386981087
You are supposed to smirk more OP

>>386981087
Medusa is much more easy than Minotaur, though. The game gets easier as you progress and the first 10 hours or so are the most difficult.

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>>386981087

anon, don't you know that SMT4 is the dark souls of persona games?

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>>386981409
How easy Minotaur is depends on one thing.

medusa isn't that bad because she's not straight up RNG comapred to that minotaurd

>>386981407
i got like 4 zan users on my team, but still got one shotted when it reaches her turn

>>386981342
i have gremlin on my team, but he still only have mabufu

>>386981542
i've been told many times indeed. by looking at my experience as an jrpg player, i thought i can manage.

but actually I underestimated this game

Medusa is bullshit depending on your team. Make sure she never hits a weakness or else you're fucked. Grinding doesn't do much because you can't reliably increase HP/def so you're stuck with gittin gud

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Weird timing, at lucifer's palace in neutral at the moment.

Rate my crew.

>>386983490
post skills faggot

>>386981952
Hitting her weakness doesn't help, you need to buff your defense and lower her attack. I think you do get skills like Fang Breaker by then which both deals damage and lowers enemy attack. Sukukaja is also good as well since not only it allows you to evade attacks which outright negates damage, but a miss consumes two press turns.

>>386983668
Too lazy. Flynn and Lakshmi either heal or nuke with magic, metatron is my physical user and kill shit with heaven's bow, and alice debuffs shit and has decent magic. +3 luster candy on flynn with a single deliberate from alice destroys everything.

>>386983490
im not at that level yet but is lakhsmi and metatron supposed to have huge hp difference at same lvl?

>>386984075
Yeah. Lakshi is not meant to really take a hit. Metatron meanwhile can take a fuck ton of hits and has resistences out the ass.

>>386981681
H O I
O O
I I

>>386981952
>but still got one shotted when it reaches her turn

what are buffs and debuffs?

>>386981087
>>finally beat minotaur after hours trying
stack bufu and ggez you scrub

>medusa
either make a strong team of demons and swap as needed so you can just kill bosses w/o to much effort. or figure out her weakness and stack monsters that can hit it
I already know you're a big enough loser to read the next one

spam zan you dork

>>386985782
Spamming Zan doesn't help. You won't do enough damage to Medusa before she starts wiping the party. You have to utilize buffs and debuffs to survive, otherwise her multi-hit gun ability will start dropping party members.

>>386981087
>this is what smt nintenbabies call hard

>>386986098
if hes playing on normal it should work just fine

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>come to this motherfucker
>walk 5 steps
>encounter random demons
>one of them has an immunity to that motherfucker's attacks
>decide not to pick it up anyways

>>386986124
>he hasn't played any of the snes SMT games
Only baby here is you. SMT started on nintendo you nocturne baby.

It's not THAT hard. If a boss has a weakness, get two or three of your team with a move that hits the weakness, then use the additional turns to set up buffs or heals. With just a few Tarukajas, you can finish fights so quickly it's not funny.

>>386981087
But minotaur and medusa were also the first bosses in the first megami tensei game.
Is Atlus really that devoid of creativity that they rehash everything hoping that people don't notice?

>>386984075
This game has SP demons with tons of magic and shit HP, HP demons with lots of strength and shit SP, Agi demons with somewhat balanced stats and demons that have the same amount in every stat.

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JUST

>>386981087
>climbed up here
What? Don't we go down underground to face her?

>>386986613
it's called a reference

>>386986124
>original SJ is on the Nintendo DS
Yeah

>>386986635
big improvement

>>386986683
She's talking about humans from Tokyo.

I have no idea how I should be building Flynn.

>>386981087
the hooligan demon nulls zio

>>386986824
Are you kidding me? She looks so much more generic, the original artstyle was so much more cool and imposing.

>>386986949
Get 1 agi and 1 luck every level. Put the rest in Mag if you want magic damage, Dex if you want physical damage. Ignore Str

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>>386986949
The optimal is +3 in magic, then +1 in agility and luck. Magic is busted in SMTIV.

>>386986949
Pick Dex or Magic.
3/1/1 with 3 being Dex/Magic and the 1s being Agility and Luck.

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>>386987037
no the original artstyle was shit

literally try and defend this

>>386986298
>this is what nintenbabies call hard
>they believe smt started on nes

Stop being retarded

>>386981087
It's the Dark Souls of the Persona series, of course it's going to be hard, git gud lul

>>386981087
I accidentaly entered the fight with a demon that reflects gun damage so after she wiped my team I just pressed auto battle and killed her with reflects and basic attacks.. Try that.

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>>386987272
Minotaur has an amazing design that offers more the longer you look at it.

>>386987273
How retarded are you? The first game incarnation was on famicom unless you mean the original novels. Even then everyone knows they started as novels.

>>386987272
I like how his description in the demon compendium describes an entirely different demon.
>He has three heads: a bull, a man, and a sheep. His legs are like that of a chicken, his tail is a venomous snake, and his wings are hideous. In his hands he holds a battle flag and a spear, and he rides a dragon, spitting flames from his mouth. If the conjurer approaches him with respect, he will obey and give rings, as well as teach astronomy and geometry. Later literature ties him to the sin of lust

>>386987520
There was also this one
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Megami_Tensei_%28Telenet%29

>>386981542
>Darksouls of Persona

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>>386986635
UNJUST

>>386987457
Yeah, I kept him for like 10 levels too long just because of his awesome design.

>>386987653
Sorry but does anyone know if the weird arm fetus thing is suppose to represent something? More then anything that part bothers me.

>>386988118
Have you played SMTIV anon?

>>386987719
I wish they had it like nocturne where if you want you can go maximum autism and make any demon into an end game monster. I wanted demonhee-ho, I always get the demonica as my end game armor.

>>386987457
this game's demon design totally not what typical design that people expect it should be.

look at centaur design, not typical man on horse
minotaur not typical standing bull
look at medusa's hair for ffs

i've been impressed with the design for now. now im back looking for demons who can resist/repel this medusa attack so i can since zan spamming doesnt work. dont be so harsh on newbie here.

>>386981087
game is trash get a refund if you can and dont fall for /v/'s shit taste again

>>386987653
What the fuck were they thinking with Lucifer's design in SMT4. Apocalypse did the best it could to save him but he still looks like a pushover.

>>386988118
I guess you either didn't play the game, or are too retarded to get that the thing in his arm was what was left of Walter after they merged.

>>386983490
>not having life surge on all your demons
Don't even need the skill list. 6/10 based on demons alone.

game is gold get it if you don't have it and always listen to /v/'s great taste

>>386981087
dont worry, once you get to tokyo you'll never lose again. the difficulty balance is fucked in that game

>>386987457
Angry skeletal face man taking a shit in his bullskin pants while wearing the head of the bull as a mask.

>>386987521
>I like how his description in the demon compendium describes an entirely different demon.

And Kaneko did the same shit for a lot of demons as well, or oversimplified them. Take Mara for example, he's just a dick simply because his lore said he tempted someone. It's all funny because "LOL DICKHEAD" but after that, is it really a good representation of Mara? Not in the slightest. He also has like 6 other dick headed demons that aren't even related to lust. Then there's his staple "Draw them inside a toilet", thing for 5% of his filth demon designs.

Just feels like people tend to turn a blind eye to OG's designs whenever they want to nitpick these new ones from other artists.

>>386988485
Get Apocalypse instead. It is a better game in literally every way.

>>386988743
Isin't that game a sequel though?

>>386988496
I died a ton of times to a certain set of enemies in early Tokyo far more than anything on the way down. They spammed Blight, which dealt tons of damage and poison. But yeah, after that it's a cakewalk.

>>386988820
It occurs during Flynn's neutral route but I ended up really liking it over IV.

>Kaneko will never save us

>>386988743
>every way
Combat is better and arguably music but the story and cast are worse. IV:A's cast is the worst non persona cast in the series.
>>386988820
Sort of. It is basically a alternate reality were events play out differently. IV and IV:A technically are both canon but occur in different universes.

>>386981087
How the hell are you having trouble with the easiest SMT? God forbid you play any of the other ones, you might have a stroke.

>>386988884
>>386989035
Ah, okay. I'm gonna play it once I finish SMTIV anyway.

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>lion fucks an ant
>his father is carnivore
>his mother is herbivore
>so he doesnt eat anything and dies

this shit really disturbs me

>>386988937
He got sick of doing SMT art. Even then even he had a few duds.

>>386988308
/v/ told me dark souls is good, should I believe them?

>>386986635
W-where do I stick my dick?

>>386989217
no, another trash game

>>386989089
Yeah, SMTIV:A assumes you played IV anyway.

The combat is probably the best in the series butbthe cast and tone is pretty annoying. Most of the new characters feel like shitty anime tropes. Fans are pretty decisive over it overall.

>>386989076
if it's not worth of having a stroke, then i wont play them. Otherwise, suffering a stroke for a good gameplay is a good trade.

>>386981087
im tires of these demons asking me to dig.

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>>386989384
She's got a mouth anon. If that's not good enough then get creative.

>>386989692
Don't do it anon! You're digging your own grave!!

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>tfw betraying my friends at the end even after picking all the good choices

>game says to go to X location for plot
>have no idea where X is
>wander around for an hour with no success
>look it up and the only guide says to just go to X
>no labelled map in all the internet
>never played game again

>>386989867
Go to the places you haven't been to yet.

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post yfw smirking

>>386989867
>Play game
>have fun
>get to tokyo
>can't find shit because tokyo in this game is a 1:1 scale replica and shitty low level demons keep assaulting me when I'm trying to look at the map and figure out where I should go
>stop playing

>>386986483
Its maximum cheese mode for every boss fight with a weakness
>agilao
>tarukaja
>agilao
>tarukaja
>agilao
>tarukaja
>agilao
>agilao
>dead
The only way for a boss to be even remotely challenging is to have no weaknesses

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>>386990083
>YHVH smirks

>>386990110
At that point you can just Concentrate into Megidolaon or the physical equivalent while the team supports you with Luster Candy/Debilitate/Dekaja/Dekunda/Mediarahan/Salvation. Even late game bosses have weaknesses.

>>386981087
Wait 'til you get to Beelzebub.

>>386987346
>>386981407
>>386985782
>>386981409

OP here i finally gets whats wrong, see my character are equipping this weak to zio body armor, most of my demons are weak to zio, never take note of this while fighting her. thanks though for every help /v/

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>>386990334
He's optional though. He did fuck my shit up pretty bad though.
>>386990457
In SMT it's important to keep a collection of demons with various resistences. For example, I would keep some weaker demons in my stock as they might be able to null or drain a type of attack or they they might have a move that nulls physical or magical attacks. Try to have demons join you even when you feel comfortable in your current party.

>>386990270
>>386990110
Pretty much
SMT/Persona games all have the same difficulty curve, where it can be challenging only up until you get the skills that allow you to break the game.

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>>386989867
>have a hell of a time playing IV for the first time but make it through and it's one of my top 3 favorites of all time
>go back recently after having played a bunch of weeb shit like TWEWY or akibas trip
>know everything about tokyo and able to figure out the difference between shinjuku ikebukuro and shibuya
>finally have a great relaxing time on the overworld listening to chill ass music without getting lost

>preorder from Gamestop
>Gamestop gear makes you lose the tutorial fight

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>>386991145
that's not the right image. have a happy hoy instead.

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>>386991145
Now play apocalypse, boyo.

>>386991352
I did, you don't want my opinions on it but the overworld OST topped even IV.

>>386991515
You hated it thst much?

>>386991515
Yeah but the bar theme is worse. Kinshicho is comfy tho

>>386991742
OH! OH!

YEAH! YEAH!

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>>386988937
I like Doi even if he's not quite as good as Kaneko, so I don't mind that much. I liked almost all of Doi's new designs in IV:A and I think he did a good job salvaging some of the bad guest designs from IV. I'm curious how his artstyle will work in a game with 3D models, the PS2 MegaTen's still look good today and it's mostly thanks to Kaneko's unique artstyle, so I hope Doi can do something similar. The only thing that really, really upsets me about Kaneko being gone is that it probably means that there will never be another Raidou.

>>386989035
>IV:A's cast is the worst non persona cast in the series.
I'd say it's just the worst cast in the series, but I haven't played P1 or 2 yet so maybe one of those are worse.

>>386993110
No, most of the crap ones are still crap, just in a style that clashes less. And Mermaid's design bothers me since it doesn't look like it would work.

>>386993351
I wouldn't say they're crap, at worst they just go from crap to passable, with the exception of Lucifer, who is still bad, but he's a lot less bad. I didn't have a problem with Mermaid, I like that her legs, weren't entirely fish, though I guess that's probably what you think makes it look like it wouldn't work.

>>386993246
P4's cast is just shit. Only exception is Kenji, I have to admit I did genuinely like him. The girls are just bland tropes for you to waifu and yosuke and teddy are insufferable.

>bring Asahi back as my goddess
Had to do it.

>>386981542
Every word you just said has made me violently angry

Solely because I know for a fact that there are people who truly believe this

>>386981087
i was stuck on this, then my little brother picked it up and beat her for me, i have no fucking idea how.

>>386994420
I think they suit the game still though, it's supposed to be a laidback small town atmosphere and it has shallow characters to just shoot the shit with to match that atmosphere, where the cast in IV:A acts similarly but they're in a post-apocalyptic hell which feels weird, especially after IV where you've already acquainted yourself with the world of SMTIV and IV:A, so it's harder to give IV:A a chance to convince you that acting so carefree isn't so out of place in this world. The girls in IV:A are even bigger waifubait than the girls in P4, with the exception of Nozomi, but then Nozomi is more insufferable than any character in P4, and that's saying a lot when P4 has Yukiko in it. Some of the characters in IV:A's cast are alright, but not enough that I feel comfortable saying that IV:A has a better cast than P4.

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>>386995095
Remember when she was a photographer hunter who was in over her head, but fought on to protect the human spirit in this dead world?

>>386989762
>niyari
That's your best chance to thrust it in and end it thus

>>386995406
Yeah, I also remember when she kept shooting Asura and using Zan on him.

>>386991145
Dat comfy overworld music

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>>386995095
I think with IV:A the problem is this is the first time the cast has been so forced on you. Everyone loves you and never opposes you until the end choice and all of them were made to be useful in battle. In SMTIV the characters aren't as forced on you, and even still some people love them. Look at Walter, everyone jokes how much he can fuck you up in battle or just be useless but people still love him.

Ironically Isabeau and Navarre, the two returning characters unless you want tp argue Nozomi, were the least annoying to me. Gaston was pretty good though and he has some great moments.

>>386990457
In SMT is sometimes more important to think on your defenses than on your attacks.

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>>386988371
Edgy as fuck but makes sense

>>386995801
That might be the case, may also be part of why people are a lot fonder of the Demons in IV:A, the only one who shows a fondness for Nanashi is Dagda and he doesn't even show Nanashi respect until towards the end of the game, but speaking of everyone opposing you at the end, the fact that Toki opposes you immediately after saying she'd side with you no matter what you choose was nonsense.

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>>386996194
Been awhile but why exactly did Dagda have you kill them again? I remember he used their souls to recreate the universe but what made their souls special? Up to that point they had never opposed you. If anything they were useful as just tools even in battle.

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>>386981087
>tfw playing Apocalypse in YHVH's Universe and have 3 demons with victory cry or whatever fully restores their HP and SP after every battle

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>>386989090
>Ant
>Herbivore
Who the fuck came up with this

>>386986635
I wanna fug that snek

>>386995801
I think that's kinda bullshit because every character is forced on you in every other SMT game.

You never meet your Law/Chaos heroes and immediately take action against them. They're your friends and it's tragic that you fight them if you don't team up with them.

Even Demifiend doesn't go against his friends until the very end, and he's got the WORST FUCKING FRIENDS and is in one of the most absolutely destroyed desolate post-apocalypses possible where there's only a handful of humans along with demon powers that would let him act with impunity.

>>386996626
They're strong enough souls that they weren't instantly eaten by Shesha, so they're a good basis for a new universe. But really, that's just a bonus, and the main reason is they actively refuse to cooperate with you if you side with Dagda and are fighting you to the death.

>>386996626
It was just because in the next room was where Nanashi would take the first step to making his own universe and none of the others were okay with that. Up to that point Dagda and Danu both wanted the Divine Powers gone, though Dagda also wanted the Cosmic Egg to be made but he knew that Nanashi and co. wouldn't be able to stop that from happening. The moment when you kill the rest of the cast is just the first moment that moves Dagda's plan beyond what to do with the Divine Powers, had the others sided with Nanashi there would have been no need to kill them, they were just killed for being in the way.

>>386996891
IV:A is different though, technically law and chaos are not real routes here. Here I believe the terms are "bonds" and "anarchy" and is basically about deciding if you care about your friends or power more. It's not really a moral or political choice like previous games. The cast here is forced since they are what the choice is about.

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>>386996732
YHVH's universe... took me days to get through the thing.

>>386997938
YHVH's Universe wasn't so bad, it was big, but only the first brane was difficult to navigate. The Sun in DDS2 and Grus in SJ were hellish, though.

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Flynn is my favorite MC design in the series. Not many can pull off a ponytail, but he makes it work.

>>386997938
>A horde of Metatron appears

I'm having some real trouble with Bee Movie-zelbub in IV, some rounds he just triple spams Megadonutland and that's it for my team. I've got plenty of lvl 80+ demons with gun drain/repel so the first half is ez but when he switches to megi it's just a matter of time until someone eats it and the whole formation falls apart. Tips? Or just a git gud fight?

>>386998927
Flynn looks baller as fuck though Japanese doomguy is just such a cool design that it always will be my #1. The only mainline protag design I'm mixed on is Nanashi, I don'tbhate it though and it has grown on me. The original Nanashi design was so good so that pisses me off.
>>386999289
Level? Really comes down to that. He is genuinely pretty tough, it comes down to how strong your demons are and little else. This is when luster candy and deliberate are genuinely needed.

>>386999289
Supposedly that happens if you go past a certain buff/debuff threshold.
He really doesn't like it.

I had trouble during that one as well during my neutral run. I just got good after many failed attempts.

>>386999289
Beelzebub always just Megidolaons your shit when you can defend against him. Always bothers me, and he doesn't even have Death Flies to make the fight more tolerable on top of that.

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>>386999826
I wasn't a real fan of Nanashi's design either, but he also grew on me as I played the game. All those good armor designs that you could wear really helped too.

I spent a good part of the game wearing the Rider gear and the Military uniform. Anything to cover that haircut.

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>>387000151
The haircut was what really bothered me, though the jacket was cool.

The prototype Nanashi was so much better which kills me. The jacket, glasses, hat, and cyborg arm/gauntlet were so cool.

>>387000090
Christ, reminds me of doing P3's The Answer, the final 2v2 fights. I tried to cheese it by saving up mirrors and using the 'karns and got smacked with double megidolaons every turn until I died. Guess I'll just try and figure out something.

THE DARK SOULS OF PERSONA

>>387000614
That design makes him look too similar to Akira, which is probably why they dropped it. While that design does look nicer, just having the scar on his face is a much subtler and nicer touch to show that he's Akira's reincarnation than just making him look almost the exact same as Akira. Also, while I think IV:A has much better English voice acting than I would have expected, Akira's new voice is terrible. He doesn't talk much so it's not a huge deal, but he sounds like a little bitch in IV:A, but he sounds like a cool dude in IV.

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>>386986635
>THAT'S THE SAME LOOK THE LAST LITTLE BASTARD GAVE ME

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>>387001027
SMTIVF had a really good Dub. Hell, we got motherfucking Wesker as Zeus.

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>>387001278
That was Odin, pal.

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>>387001860
My mistake.

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>>386990083

any reccomended demons to kick Asura's ass?

>>386988118
It's a hoynia