>1 million dps difference between top and bottom class

>>386952482
>Giving a shit about WoW in 2010+7

why is this allowed?

>>386952482
What are those the logs for? A particular fight or a total average for a certain raid? Just saying as your picture really doesn't reflect that and depending on the boss fight, some specs might just be fucked.

>>386952482
How much DPS does resto druid/shaman and holy priest do?

>>386952545
fpbp once again

wtf is outlaw rogue?

>>386952482
>Thinking a full aoe fight matters for dps

>>386952482
>frost mage higher than fire and arcane

Why didn't they just leave it as a pvp spec? Another case of every spec must be able to do everything? So glad I don't play nuwow

>Warrior and 2 mage specs in the top 10.
Nice to see Blizzards pet classes still favored. Ion's a fucking hack.

>>386952482
>elemental topping the charts
Since fucking when? What happened?

>>386952657
What was once known as "combat" except that now it has a pirate theme

it's moronic as fuck

>>386952737
There are just as many hybrid classes in the top 10.

No point playing a pure dps class anymore

>>386952657
combat was changed to outlaw

>>386952482
The whole point of the game is to rotate who's effective in an endlessly shifting meta. The trappings of the genre prevent player skill from being the major factor in how well that player performs, and if they actually balanced the game and left it that way then every class would feel the same, endgame strategy would never change, and players would get bored and leave.

>>386952482
only brainlets play WoW.

>>386952482
>Feral Druid that low

What the fuck happened after WotLK? I remember their DPS was absolutely crazy in that.

>Top DPS comes from classes that can also spec into healing/tanking roles
>Pure DPS class like Hunter is at best 12th

Blizzard balance

>>386952482
>WW monk
>not top anymore
Literally what

>>386952482
>demon hunters
lmao

>>386952482
>blizzard in charge of balance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtK9EvhqEIw

>>386952482
remember when numbers in wow were normal, when you like like 'wow 1800 damage, that's insane!'

>>386952482
>Dem warlock
>higher than others two
I call bullshit
For him to do any decent dps he literally need to stand and not moving at all during fight, and almost all fights in the tomb don't allow bullshit like this

Blizzard couldn't balance the game even if there was only 1 class and 1 spec. They're some of the shittiest developers ever and the funniest part is that they will argue with their players to the fucking DEATH that they are right and the community "just doesn't get it".

>WoW
>5 skills and a couple of 30 minute cooldowns to be used on bosses for each class
>millions of DPS

>FFXIV
>main hotbar for attack skills, have to make macros in order to fit all the attack skills on said main hotbar, second hotbar for 6+ personal buffs with relatively short cooldowns to be used on their own separate rotation
>thousands of DPS

What game did it right?

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>>386952482
>Demon Hunters

So much for that new class

>>386952856
>Le hybrid meme
hasn't been a thing since Cata.

>>386952852
>>386952862
Ah, alright. Weird.

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>pick a class with 3 dps specs
>all are in the shitter
>this has happened to at least two different classes this xpac

A+ balance Blizzard

>dps measured in millions
Remember the "stat squish"

>>386952482
>hybrid classes do more dps than pure dps classes
classic wow

>>386953125
>>386953435

They really went insane with the stats gain. The start of this expansion doing 300k dps was considered good. Now look at OP's picture
Compared to something like vanilla WoW late-late game gear to early TBC raid gear, the difference wasn't that big.

>>386953329
>Paladins, Shamans, Druids, Death Knights, Warriors, Monks, and Priests aren't a thing since Cata

>>386952657
Look up it's rotation, you have 3 damage dealing abilities with one of them being almost complete shit. then look up roll the bones buffs.

There's your class. It's been that way since launch because I played that class.

Yes it's as bad as it looks.

>>386953457
you mean wotlk and after wow

>>386953528
The fact that fucking Warriors are considered a Hybrid shows that whole idea is fucking retarded to begin with.

>>386953435
i remember doing 14k at the end of wrath and even then i thought that was real bloated, when i see current wow numbers i'm kinda shocked

>>386953048
Fucking kill yourself. Are they going to change specs mid fucking fight to heal or tank? No. Do they have any real utility? No. Blizzard has said over and over again that "pure" classes are balanced to the same level as "hybrid" classes

>>386952482
What happened to windwalker?
It was consistently top 5 when i stopped playing

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>noxxic

Remember how 80% of abilities had to be cut because the lead designer played using a tablet and anything more than 3 buttons was too hard for him

>>386953528
Given that specs are essentially their own classes, yeah, it's not like you see ret Paladins or feral druids hybrid building to raid heal. They've done nothing but double down on the roles the specs are intended to play as, so crying like a bitch about hybrid classes is hilarious.

>>386952482
What the shit is this? Arms warrior is always 1, and then fury and then demonologist. OPs image is wrong.

>>386953838

>4x increase in dps in less than a year is ok

>>386953838
This one actually believeble for the patchwerk type fights

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>played WoW nilla till newest shit xpac
>top of server for progression and numbers
>quit because the games shit
>bf later gets the "WoW/MMO itch"
>fuck going back to WoW, I've done that too many times
>try FFXIV because why the hell not
>mfw

Christ FFXIV is a beautiful game. So many little things graphically and engine wise that WoW never had that just makes me sit back and appreciate it.
I still feel WoW had more meaty gameplay, movement/casting/combat wise, but FFXIV is cozy as fuck. I've never going to have my BC/WotLK experience again with WoW, but playing FFXIV gives me those "New world to explore and engage with" vibes.

>>386952482
>playing wow in 2017
yeah okay you're dumb
this is how the game has always been and always will be

>>386953237
Neither. The holy trinity needs to die.

>>386953048
>pure DPS
no sure thing anymore brah. hybrid tax all that shit is gone.

>>386952482
I don't know shit about WoW aside from getting to level 50 once in nostalrius but
>ele shaman
>balance druid
>shadow priest
>ret paladin
>best rogue is 8th
This looks dumb

>over 2000000 damage per second
Jesus christ. Did they just add 5 extra zeroes to the damage to make it feel more impressive?

>>386952482
Why are the numbers so autisticly high?

>resub for the first time since February
>Have done like 9 daily World Quest things
>Still no legendary

Blizzard isn't doing a very good job of keeping me subbed.

>>386953858
That's not what "hybrid class" means. Hybrid classing and hybrid speccing is different.

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>>386952482
>2 point 7 million damage per second
what the actual fuck

>>386954241
your average wow player nowadays, expecting to get a LEGENDARY from doing 9 days of dailies

>>386954218
I think they must be using scientific notation at this point. Crit! 7.8*10^6 damage.

>>386954296
That was the only appeal of playing hybrids before for the niche support roles that were half baked into the game. Too bad they were all useless. Making the DPS roles viable doesn't invalidate pure classes anyway. Even post homogenization all of the classes in wow have their own distinct style and flavor of play, so crying about hybrid classes is nonsense.

>>386952482
recomend me a good private server /v/.
i got the itch, but im not willing to drop money that i dont have

>>386953624
>a class that can tank and dps is not a hybrid
hurr durr

>>386952482
>meanwhile xiv is within 7% of each other
sad really

>>386952803
>>386953931
OP picked the most biased options as bait. Thats basically a chart of who can do the most dps to 3 training dummies grouped ontop of each other

>>386954616
To be fair WoW has what, three or four times the number of classes(specs)?

>>386954636
Honestly.warlocks need some love. All the bosses now demand movement which makes locks useless. Give them some god damn damage because being stationary is a ridiculous requirement with those casting times.

>>386952482
>roughly 45% dps difference between worst and best dps output
>'good game'

ffxiv
>15% spread.
>Highest dps brings no utility
>Lowest brings the most utility.

Damage scaling is skyrocketing especially hard this expansion because Blizzard is enforcing this 4 tiers of raiding, so the Mythic level gear is exponentially stronger than the gear from the previous tier. Then when you take War/Titanforging into account ilvls increase even beyond the listed levels.

>>386953689

>Play Hunter
>All you can do is DPS
>Play Druid
>You can play DPS, Tank, or Healer
>Can respec for different bosses if required for progression
>Can switch roles entirely if desired

Do you work for Blizzard?

>>386952482
>Frost mage that high
I left WoW because Frost was forced as the PvP spec. I'm glad I left early.

>>386954710
>tfw Norgannon's Foresight on my shadow priest so I can move while channeling
I doubt we have it nearly as bad as lock though. M+ still sucks ass with volcanic and trying to use any spell with a cast time though.

>>386954158
>it's another "/v/ proposes ideas for an MMO that will die on day 1" episode

>>386954695
To be fair, FFXIV has three to four times the buttons needed to play each class.

>>386954953
BUFF THE FUCKING LOCKS REEEEEEEEEEEREE

>>386954956
So what, you enjoy every MMO being a clone?

>>386954738
>Lowest dps brings the most utility
This literally just changed with 4.06. Before that, the lowest dps had shit utility.

>>386954820
Meanwhile DPS classes can switch between specs for different utility and abilities that may be useful for encounters. The flexibility of playing hybrid classes is lost on most players since they don't necessarily have the skills to play all roles to begin with. Your argument assumes that the person playing the hybrid had the ability or interest to play the other roles to begin with and is also geared enough to fulfill the other roles, which isn't necessarily always feasible in progression raiding.

>>386952482
>top 4 dps are hybrid
>#5 is a PvP mage
Why is neoWoW such shit?

>>386954695
and each class now has barely any buttons, the rotations are brain dead
not to mention it's not like wow classes have ever been balanced properly, even back in vanilla

and it's not because of how many. Blizzard can't balance. Fucking Overwatch only has 25 heroes and they can't even keep 10 in the fucking meta

>>386954930
Same reason why I quit, I remember it started with Cataclysm and making ice Lance hit harder than frostbolt

>>386954738
Are you talking about Bard? They weren't lowest dps until recently and in the last expansion they were top DPS. Not exactly a good example of balance my dude.

>>386955043
I guess every single RPG on the face of the earth is a clone because the typical party is 1 healer and the rest are damage and maybe a tank if the game has such a character.

>>386955074
>Utility
Nice meme bro. There is no such thing as a hack of all trades that is needed.

>>386954995
Not after SB.

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>>386955162
because the dev team was changed to the diablo 3 team aka the blizzard rejects back when they were creating WoD, and the guy in charge of it all know is a fucking civil defense lawyer

pick related, please buy out estore $30 mounts!!!!!!!!!

>>386955223
What are you talking about? That wasn't brought up at all.

>>386955260
?
They deleted some and they've added some
The current amount of buttons is roughly the same as in HW

>>386955260
That only pertains to MCH. Everyone else has the same amount of bloat that they did before.

>>386955202
>current design and balance isn't a good example.
Kill yourself.
That is like saying.
"Tesla's rocket was just dropping into the water in version 1, it re-landing on the take of platform isn't a good example of programming."

>when your class/spec falls out of the fotm meta in wow
>have to grind out tons of artifact power on another spec on another character and be irrelevant
>ffxiv class falls out of the meta
>just swap to that class
letting one character be every class in the game was kind of genius

>>386954738
>Bard
>lowest DPS

Parsing software should take 3% of all other players' damage while FR is active and all additional damage from 2% of crits and add it to the Bard's DPS because all of that damage was only done because the Bard was there.

>>386955202
bard is insane right now are you even playing the game? It is literally "utility, the class"

>>386952482
>only one pure dps in the top 5

nice job blizz

>>386954995
I have 17 spells I use regularly and I can't imagine playing the class optimally without most of them.

That's coupled with 8 utility spells 4 of which I use regularly

>>386955492
What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about how much utility they have.

>>386952482
>37% dps difference between top and bottom class
how do you fuck it up this hard

>>386955656
It should be larger. There DPS classes. One is best in pve, one against bosses, one in PvP.

>>386955528
Spoiler the game is homogenized, hybrid is a buzz word. No one brings any utility that only they bring. Everyone does everything.

>>386954820
>Play hunter
>Do top dps because I'm a pure damage class
>Play Shadow Priest
>Nobody wants to take me because I don't do as much damage as pure dps
>Try to use my mass dispel in the middle of a fight because I have so much utility as a hybrid XDDD
>Fall out of voidform and die before it finishes casting
>D-don't worry guys I can switch to Holy now so we can progress

>>386955393
>Give class with highest utility the most damage in a previous expansion
>Give them more utility and damage in the next expansion
>After two months in decide to finally do something about it
Don't talk about balance, guy, you sound like a retard.

a lot of you fags sound like you need to go play paper mario

wow clearly isnt the rpg for you if numbers terrify you brainlets

>>386955836
>play hunter
>do shit dps because you're a pure dps class
>cant do anything else
>reroll priest
>do top dps
>can still heal if your damage gets nerfed

>>386955995
Why are pure DPS now shit? What ten year old complained to mommy?

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the craving is coming back lads

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OP image is cherry picking.

it's a simulation of three static targets stacked right on top of each other with absolutely no mechanics

>>386955463
You're forgetting they somewhat homogenized the damage buffs in SB. Lots of classes bring raid dps buffs, so the damage would likely not change all that much.

>>386955836
What the fuck is this, Vanilla? World of Hybridcraft shits all over pure DPS now, except for Mages of course because they're Blizzard's pet baby class that all their devs main.

>>386956238
>Mages
This will never not make me angry.

>>386953435
I remember when doing 700 dps on entry-level raids in BC was considered acceptable.

Why the fuck did they add so many more zeros

>>386956115
Same, but then you realize you're paying 15$ a month for diablo 3 in a WoW skin designed by a faggot on a tablet and a greasy greek piece of shit. More garrison crap, more time gated content than ever before, the most simplified and dumbed down classes than ever before

>>386956131
thanks, was obvious that it wasn't right, but makes more sense now

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>>386955995
>>386956062
>Fall for bait image in the OP
>Use it as a basis for judging the game balance

OP's image is 3 targets in a "Max" encounter rather than a "Real" encounter. So no movement, no interrupts, no mechanics. Essentially who can hit the training dummies the hardest in an AoE.
Changing specs is fucking hell anyway. Need to grind up your artifact back to where it was with your main spec and then completely change your stat priority. Not to mention getting 2 legendaries for your new spec.

>>386953689
>lol cat druids will never battle rez if they aren't resto it wouldn't be fair to rogues
>defending wow to begin with
Thank you for reminding me why I quit so long ago.

>>386956427
>first 2 places are hybrid class
Fucking shit

>>386952482
I don't play WoW, haven't since mid Cata. Use to main Warrior. Everytime I see these charts, I'm so fucking saddened that Fury is always so low.

What the hell are they doing with Warriors? Is Fury decent in PvP at least? Then it would make a bit more sense.

>>386956427
>Need to grind up your artifact back to where it was
it takes a week of relaxed play to get concordance on a fresh artifact

>>386956427
>both warrior dps specs in the TOP TWO
>Mage in the top ten as usual
Good christ fuck Blizzard.

>>386952482
Shamans are actually viable for a patch?

>>386956576
>crying about hybrids
Retard

>>386956608
And your relics?

>>386956576
>>386956640
Yeah bro lets have the fury warrior taunt the boss. Who cares about that "20% increased damage taken" shit anyway. Just switch to Prot for this fight. I'm sure you'll do fine in all haste/mastery gear and fury legendaries

>>386955889
>wow clearly isnt the rpg for you if numbers terrify you brainlets
Big numbers don't terrify anyone, it's that human brains suck ass at realizing the scale of bigger numbers so once you start getting values in the millions and beyond it starts to leave a weird impression of "these numbers kind of seem meaningless" that some people really don't like. It's more gratifying to some to increase a damage number from 9 to 10 than 900k to 1 million, even though the end result is the same.

>be affliction lock
>still top of dps regardless of top tier logs
>still top of dps in pvp
>still go 1v5 in open world pvp despite not being raid geared and without sacrolash
>all that despite the nerfs and the coming ones

FEELS GOOD TO SPREAD AIDS EVERYWHERE

>>386956830
Yeah warrior definitely deserves both of their DPS specs to be fucking amazing
Fuck rogues though. Fuck them, they don't even get one spec in top ten. Gotta make Warriors happy though?

>>386957084
Sub is literally 8th on that chart you retard

>>386957084
>Fuck them, they don't even get one spec in top ten
They do
And after 5th place ALL dps specs are very close witt each other with difference being in ten dps
I still can't comperhend how can you complain with this
Also this >>386953838

>do a stat crunch
>back to doing almost 3 million dps again

so what the fuck was the point then?

Class A: 100 dps
Class B: 80 dps
Class C: 50 dps

Normal way to balance:
a) If you want the powerlevel to be Class A
- Buff abilities of B a bit and C a lot
b) If you want B to be the standard
- Tone down A a bit, buff C a lot

Blizzard way to balance:
- Nerf A with random numbers
- Buff B +40%
- Buff C 15% and introduce 2 random new effects that you have no data in raids for

>>386956830
>And your relics?

world quests constantly give at least 880 relics and you can spam low m+ all day. I know it's not ideal but it doesn't take that long to get an artifact at a competitive level

that's assuming you don't have a guild to funnel you gear

>>386957302
>Class A: 100 dps
>Class B: 80 dps
>Class C: 50 dps
What fight?
Patchwerk type?
Or maybe the one where you need to constantly run
Or maybe with adds?
Or maybe council type with 3 mobs you can always dps at the same time?
???
Op image by the way is pure aoe fight there you can always dps 2 targets that stand near your main one

>>386957484
I returned last week and didn't saw even one world quest giving relics, which was pretty annoying
I think blizzard removed them from the loot pool

>>386957586
make sure you check the pvp world quests too bc they give easy mode 880 gear

and if you just returned you get a free 860 from doing cathedral once

if you do invasions you also get nethershards which is more free gear

>>386953647
Pathetic, I remember doing at least 20k on Lich King as an ass rogue.

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>That one idiot in the thread trying to convince people who play the game that hybrid classes are somehow better than pure classes
Why is this autism allowed bros? What could his story be that he is so fixated on this?

>>386957084
Are you blind or can you not see number 8?

>>386952482
At least it's not pso2

>>386952482
>elemental on top
fake and gay

>>386957484
Okay so lets say it takes you 2 weeks to get your tank spec up to speed with your dps. Thats enough for two LFR and normal runs and some nether disruptor farming for legos. Then say theres a Marksmanship hunter that has only played MM all throughout legion. Why should the hunter be rewarded with more potential dps for doing 1/2 the work you did as a warrior to gear up 2 specs?
There is no reason to balance for the potential work someone might put into their character when most people will only ever play one spec. You put in all that work getting your prot spec ready to help, but maybe your guild never needs you to tank. What do you gain? Why should someone who only likes the WW monk playstyle be punished because other people like healing or tanking as monk. It just doesn't make sense.

>>386957927
haven't played pso2 in years, what's it like now
no one ever seemed to care about dps back then since everything was piss easy

>>386958134
what the fuck are you talking about? the discussion is about gearing up other specs to be on par with your main

>What do you gain?
Fun? if your guild doesn't need you to play prot then I imagine you put that effort to gear it up bc you enjoy tanking? you can tank pugs or m+.
nobody is being punished for anything

>>386957770
t. assmad pure that gets outmatched in DPS by hybrids and can easily find pugs by going tank/healer
pure/hybrid hasn't been a controversial topic since TBC at the very latest

>>386956579
don't look at the shitty chart OP posted which is actually wrong

fury is in a pretty good spot right now, close to arms which is the best melee spec and last tier fury was pretty broken thanks to a trinket

>>386953241
They have exceptional mobility. Protip: Most fights don't have you standing in one place firing off your ideal rotation the entire time.

>>386952856
Rogues are crazy viable right now for Mythic raiding.

>>386958167
At the very end of episode 4 a bit of difficult content started to be added. Not too hard to clear if you had a head on your shoulders and wasn't a party of 4 techers or something.

Then hero gets released for episode 5. A class with practically 0 gearing commitment because it has no new weapons and it's also branded easy while arguably being the best in game. On top of that the rest of the classes get gutted to the point that if you're not playing hero, fighter or gunner you're leeching.

Hero is not hard to play at all either, so everything feels like normal difficulty. Episode 5 also has no new content worth doing. All in all its a shitshow

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>>386952482
What the fuck is that list? Use this instead.
>https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13#aggregate=amount
Unless you're doing Mythic Tomb of Sargeras, you shouldn't give a fuck about picking a class for their max potential. Doing mechanics is way more important.

I main a Shadow Priest. I was doing the worst single target DPS in my raid, but I read up, saw what others were doing, and managed to reach #1 dps in muh raid. Turns out I literally wasn't pressing buttons fast enough.

I dunno. Classes are in a pretty good balance spot right now. Each spec has its own specialties. Havoc Demon Hunters have absolutely ludicrous burst DPS.

>>386952482
>2.7 mill dps
I was excited to do 500k in EN back when I played.
WoW never ceases to amaze me with how crazy their power creep is.

>>386953517
say thanks to m+ and the warforged titanforged fucked up meme shit

>>386958981
well even 10 item levels of difference is a huge boost in stats.
most people are around 900-915 in general.
dedicated raiders are around 930-940.
just in stat gains thats over 70% difference.

>>386958981
2.7 million DPS is an EXTREME outlier, and literally only achievable on sustained multi-target fights.

500k with EN was a great amount, with Shadow Priests able to cheese for 1 million DPS on Xavius.

Right now, 900k to 1 million DPS is a very good, and quite achievable amount of DPS to reach in ToS, with Mythic Gear. 800k DPS for Heroic mode, I guess.

But just remember the best strategy to reaching the top of your raid's DPS charts! Watching everyone else die, and survive to reach the top.

>>386958884
>looking at 75th percentile.
Sure just lump in the shitters too.

>>386952482
I remember Balance Druid being garbage back when I played, I'm almost glad it's number 2 now. Too bad I don't give a fuck anymore.

>>386959631
That OP list is borked and wrong. Balance Druids are not number one.

They're #1

>>386953329
I ave played wow since pre panda when they kill my way I play shaman, being able to be elemental and take over healing tank, than tanking to get more mana and go back to healing tank, followed by replacing tank as he eventually dies from the large pull.

I spend virtually 50% of my life playing WoW and I only have to say that all of you are fucking idiots who don't know shit about anything. If I were you I would shut the fuck up instead of spouting random shit.

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>>386960735

>>386956427
Fuck off that graph is shit. Demonologists are garbage until last level with best gear and ARE STILL BEATEN IN DPS? BY THE SAME FUCKING CLASS TWICE. Remind me how WARLOCKS CANT MOVE WHEN CASTING SPELLS BUT WARRIORS CAN.

FUCK OFG BLIZZARD

>>386952482
>2,7 MILLION dps
what were they thinking?

What a joke this game is now. DPS in the millions, kek. I remember when, like, 8k dps was good, during WOTLK I think?

Is there no fucking better way to fix this shit than just a "reset" every few expansions? Goddamn.

>>386961121

fights still take about the same amount of time they did in BWL

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>>386961310
Wotlk sucks dick, make way for best expansion/raid tier

>>386954241
Fuck off. There should never have been ANY legendary quest bullshit added except for very hard, long class-specific ones or rare-as-fuck-on-the-level-of-Invincible drops from end bosses in raids.

>>386961363
Clearly the point went right over your head.

>>386961417
It was a comfy raid and patch... but I think WotLK was better because it was comfier and the story was better.

>>386961310
You have to take the following into account. When the players level up, they expect to deal higher damage. Not just against the mobs high are now lower level than them, but the next ones too. This means you can't keep the damage ceiling constant across all levels. So what happens? Damage and HP both increase, that is the WoW design.

>>386961787

and clearly you don't understand that if you multiply everything by 100, there's no effective change

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>The Cata "World" have existed longer than the original Vanilla "World"

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>>386962338

>>386952983
no class even really plays the same as they did back in wotlk, that could be related

>>386962283
Yes there is, it's the illusion. That's what it's all about. This is literally western game design at the core. More flashy shit, higher damage, but the same combat time and mechanics.

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>>386954953
>>MFW I get Norgannon's Foresight on my fire mage
>>90% of my rotations are instants
>>Literally have to make macros to cancel the effect before casting a spell in order to be able to stop casting by moving if I get a crit

>>386962394
How much for this early bird, early depression pepe?

>>386962242
>You need to make the game simple for short attention span shitters who would quickly drop the game if they didn't do an arbitrarily larger number of damage every time they level

That doesn't change my opinion of Blizzard at all...

cant believe how many people on here actually believe this chart

>>386958981
I was excited to do 1337 damage for the first time. WoW has changed.

>>386962715
It's not supposed to. It's literally the best they could think of. These are all arbitrary numbers, damage, armor, attack speed, health, resistance etc. Western game design has always revolves around bloating them for damage sponge games. We will never ever have a game where enemies get smarter AI instead of more HP.

>>386962338
Cata world still works fine
Wotlk broke vanilla world beyond repair
Really makes you think

>survival that low
wew, i'm glad i stopped playing

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In reality classes actually can't do those numbers consistently, Paladins are absolutely fucked with ToS.

>>386957060
They're nerfing affliction AGAIN?!!

>>386964910
with 7.3 yes.
its not final but i think theyre dropping ua agony and corruption damage by like 10%

>>386952545
fpbp

>>386963969
Nah, it's pretty good right now actually
Op chart is bait

>>386954550
vanilla? elysium

Can anyone tell at which level friend invite x3 bonus exp ends? All sources are from WoD times and tell it's 90, goddamn official faq doesnt tell a thing now. Is it still 90?

>Fury warrior that low

Makes me glad i dropped.

>Frost is still top mage spec
Glad I quit, I hate getting shoehorned into this boring fucking spec because it's the best at damage, CC, and survivability.

God forbid the other two interesting specs are good at anything

Do the classes at the bottom have any other sort of utility?

>>386967682
>Nu-WoW
>Utility
Pick one.

>>386962283
>there's no effective change

Except how the game is perceived, which is literally the only important part

>>386967974

number of GCDs to kill a trash mob is what matters

>>386954550
Elysium for vanilla, dalaran for wotlk. Havent found a decent tbc one yet